PART THREE | Why Did Stephan Sterns Move Out? Police Interviews and Evidence Collection

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

00:00:00 Intro 00:07:15 Continuing from Part 2 (link below) 00:08:43 Evidence from the scene 00:09:33 Map time 00:14:12 Finding Maddie, securing the scene 00:18:15 Tire fragments from his flat tire 00:20:20 Did he return to the scene? 00:23:12 FARO Images 00:27:00 Asthma and her inhaler not mentioned? 00:29:35 Stephan instructed the police not to pay attention to his spare tire 00:32:20 Evidence collected in the vehicle 00:40:00 Evidence collected at the home 00:46:30 Stephan seen on surveillance with victim in the vehicle 00:48:15 His Google Drive 00:50:50 Maddie was happy he moved out 00:51:50 Sleeping arrangements 00:54:15 Jenn in denial when shown evidence of the abuse 00:58:00 Stephan victim blames! 01:01:20 How this PREDATOR operated 01:03:25 Mostly "appears to be sleeping" in CSAM 01:07:28 Black shorts found in his vehicle? 01:09:00 Jenn Soto interview 01:10:35 Why did Stephan move out in December 2023? 01:24:20 Rigor vs surveillance 01:28:30 Jenn called Stephan multiple times that morning? 01:38:50 Stephan Sterns interview number 2 01:48:15 Maddie's grandmother's police interview (does not like Stephan) 01:45:55 He factory reset his phone TWICE !! 01:51:08 Roommate's police interview 01:53:00 Science and mathematics teacher police interview 01:55:30 Debrief and Outro Watch Part 1 here: kzbin.info0CwX4AJb5Rk?feature=share Watch Part 2 here: kzbin.info-eoWQ3gvtiA?feature=share FULL CASE PLAYLIST: kzbin.info/aero/PL0cYrgj38mhp8jbDI-QRMLrcFMxL-BTLJ

[@shannakelly490]

You're the best.

[@jennifers.3818]

Love that you add the "buy a coffee" for a moderator and info about their job. Ive never seen any other content provider do this. You're awesome!!

[@Ms.Norths.Musings]

G we can surmise the time of D based upon Rigor mortis. This happened early morning. 6 hours for full R yet when S was in the garage where he placed Maddie in the trunk she was still floppy and movible. So It must have happened at 4-6 am. She probably told S she was leaving to go live in the woods and he snapped. Exactly on the day AFTER her 13th birthday. Her timelines and time limit. She had had enough. She was leaving. I think. Jmo.

[@Ms.Norths.Musings]

This case reminds me of Audrii Cunninghams case. The parent basically turns their child over to a predator because they are busy or whatever.

[@janhill2079]

Been thinking about what Jen said about Maddie walking to her Mom's office... But wouldn't she have had to come then same way out of school whether being picked up or walking to the office 🤔🤔🤔

[@PippyPan]

No justice until Jen is in Prison.

[@wendymiesowitz1897]

Incomplete justice anyways

[@wendysunshine0517]

I will be so angry if JS isn't charged! She allowed this to happen to her daughter for Years! WTH She is not needed as a witness. The evidence is overwhelming!

[@lovelylyrics1687]

I'm afraid they are going to let her get away with it...I just don't know if they have any evidence looks like her own words about sending Maddie to sleep with him would be enough!

[@lanafrady9254]

I mean that is crazy. What kind of mother does that?​@lovelylyrics1687

[@lizgee5331]

She should be super embarrassed to walk out of her house

[@007nadineL]

Cops didn't charge her Sooooooo

[@sheilaconcitis8385]

Too many mothers get away with doing this to their children. It's horrifying how many females are free right now after being responsible for their own childs death.

[@MrTeeglesworth]

If the mom is on SSI and only works 8 hours a week, how is it she couldn't plan a birthday party for her daughter when she wasn't working?

[@lindaglover7088]

Doesn't pass the smell test. That's what someone said. Something else is going on.

[@jamilea3043]

I hadn't heard that. This lady is unbelievable. I have two daughters, and even though they are grown, I have never missed a birthday

[@coltonmason8290]

And why would she need her sleep so bad that she would have her bf sleep with her daughter in a seperate room.

[@zanzah_]

Also they lived in a sharehouse. Other mothers and children in that house.

[@MRZDEB7]

I agree! The more I listen, the more it is becoming evident that Jenn was most likely jealous of Maddie... I have seen this in my own life...

[@infiniteink185]

Ex Funeral director here. I find it interesting the position she was laying in when found seams to match her legs being semi fetal the position as she would have been when seated in the car and her head slumped to the left when rigor set well in.. I really don't think she had been dead that long when he placed her seated in the car. While it can take some hours for rigor mortis to set in, it is common for some stiffness of limbs to happen in the first 1-2 hours. It would have been difficult for him to have seated her in the passenger seat if rigor was well advanced. I am guessing it was closer to morning time he placed her in the car. Makes sense he would have wanted her out of the house before anyone else awoke in the house and to get the hell out of the complex with her as early as possible before Jen or anyone else staying in the apartment awoke. He sure had balls not placing her in the trunk to start with, especially when leaving via the security guards at the gate & returning with her.( why the hell did he return with her) She must surely not have been very obviously discolored when he was driving her past them, though the hoodie will have concealed her face somewhat, it can't have been that well if the cameras picked up her mouth being ajar. Another observation, teachers & friends stating she was always tired at school? I really think he was sedating her. I wonder if this time he went too far and discovered she wasn't breathing when he awoke that morning & panicked. He sure didn't have any pre planning. I don't think he actually unalived her on purpose. He knew damned well he couldn't claim she OD'd herself with his DNA all over her as there would have had to be a post mortem. Thanks for all you do Gisela , having worked in the funeral industry, responsible for police removals for many years, true crime is still a passion .

[@zanzah_]

Wasn't she strangled though.....?

[@mintpatty]

I posted the same conclusions before I saw this post. I believe this was an irresponsible accident. It is still a homicide and - a result of abuse - extremely serious - a capital crime. he could have saved her, taken her to a hospital. Yet, he chose to see himself as the victim and, instead, attempted to cover his tracks. I know for certain that he shouted at her and told her" It doesn't matter what you want." He dressed her, got her into his car, threw away her school computer and backpack, and then drove around trying to decide what to do next. Fetal position? It's failry clear that she had died in the morning hours.

[@ThriveCollective1188]

@@zanzah_news Nation is not trustworthy as the only source of that alleged cause of death

[@sheb181]

i would say he drugged jen as well..constant tiredness.. needing to sleep....🤔

[@infiniteink185]

@@sheb181 quite probably, though I suspect she was good enough at drugging herself perhaps

[@darladevries7401]

If a parent is so disconnected from their child that they have no idea whats going on in their childs life for 5 years, they dont deserve that child and they are abusive.

[@gladyslongoria9928]

this went on for years, and if Jenn was so out of it, then Jenn's mother, Madeline's dad, had to know this and did nothing to protect the little girl. Madeline is gone now and nothing will bring her back. Karma is a real bitch. We all know that now not even the law is protecting Madeline. It's just so sad...

[@Goneinsane616]

Okay this mother was horrible. But their are times parents have no idea, and are very involved in the kids life’s. Just crazy for you to say this

[@Thepublicaccount]

Exactly people were trying to say that she was lovebomb she was abused. She was groomed. No that’s not true. We’ve seen that now from the documents. She was actively saying go upstairs you go pleasure him basically I want to be left alone. I don’t wanna be touched tonight so you going up there and take care of what he needs.I’m so sick of people giving this woman the benefit of the doubt of being abused forced to do this. She’s just a disgusting human being. There’s lots of others like that. Who will give up their daughters for drugs they will give up their daughters to have a man they will give up their daughters for financial gain they don’t care.

[@Thepublicaccount]

Nyugen is said Win in US i’m American born and the way you say it is the way I had said it for years and recently we had a family move-in with that last name down the road from us and they corrected me and said that once they moved to America that it changes to win. I had no clue and until they told me and now I’m trying to break a 30 year habit of how I say it and I wonder how in the heck did I ever get it the more South African Way because if that’s the South African version where the heck did I pick it up at lol

[@tracey278]

I agree and not only that she didn’t want her she deprived her of having time with her dad 💔

[@marleneclarke5785]

There is NO WAY that this mother did not suspect anything - I simply DO NOT BUY THAT PERIOD

[@amystephen2937]

It happens all the time. My friend was abused by her own father for years and her Mother had no idea until she told her when she was older. Her Mom was devastated and made her daughter report it to police.

[@jenniferbyrne4567]

1 in 4 are SA’d, I think most don’t know. Has your husband ever been alone with your kids? See my point. Everyone trusts their partners. The best thing you can do is read lots of books to your child that teaches them what to do if a pedo tries to trick them. Also use correct names for “private” parts from birth on. My two year old knows all of her body parts already. Pedo’s like to make up cutesy nicknames for those parts. It’s part of their sick fantasy. Also in court they can be prosecuted if the child can correctly name their body parts.

[@ladyleo944]

@@marleneclarke5785 I'm not buying it either altho there are cases were the parent didn't know But this situation is much different Jen sent Maddie to go sleep in a room with a grown man again and again she knew what was going on And I do not believe for 5 years that woman was taking naps each time it took place , She confessed when she said I sent her to go sleep in the bed with him.......

[@makisushi3720]

...and she mentioned W. Allen situation..... c'mon! 😡

[@sheilaconcitis8385]

​@@makisushi3720exactly. Simply the mother bringing that case up speaks volumes of what she knew.

[@Sonworshipper]

Hearing her classmate talk about justice 😭😭😭😭😭

[@RobinHood_62]

Really great kid!!

[@Sonworshipper]

@@RobinHood_62 💕OMG AGREED💕

[@jamilea3043]

That was such a beautiful clip!

[@sarahb2004]

Gets me every time 😢

[@Lucy-ym8ch]

What an articulate and beautiful boy

[@m0L3ify]

I can 100% believe that Maddie asked to sleep with both of them when he returned because she knew the alternative was being alone with him. It's likely her mom's presence prevented the worst of the abuse, so sleeping with both of them was the only way she could catch a break.

[@mtz6198]

That makes sense but makes me sick to think of 😰

[@rhonda503]

Good point

[@sheraparker3149]

Agree

[@sammii-bee]

As a survivor of CSA, I agree....The things I came up with to try save myself from my Dad's abuse, I was very creative, unfortunately it only worked about 25% of the time, and I paid 10 fold for it after....But I can totally see this being the case😢😢

[@jennifers.3818]

Yes!! But the mother was too stupid and selfish to figure it out

[@Veruska75]

I agree; the fact that the mother didn’t worry about Maddie’s inhaler is pretty damning.

[@amystephen2937]

unless she thought she had it with her in her backpack?

[@Stargazer7279]

Yes when u don’t mention lifesaving meds it is pretty damning

[@Ash_426]

The reason for the state doing the CSAM trial before the murder trial is simple. If Sterns is convicted of those crimes first, they are used as aggravating factors (murder during the commission of a felony, for one) so that he will get the death penalty.

[@beccaedgar9556]

In Florida the SA charges for a child under 12 carry the death penalty too,so,aggravating factors or not,they've got 2 separate chances at killing him 😊😊

[@Sarah-Graham575]

My friends step father started CSA when she was just 3, which is so awful but worse? Her mother blamed HER!!! People can really be simply AWFUL😡

[@Monica-bp2pd]

My friends also did the same to her daughter I stopped being friends with her she was convinced and daughter seduced him and was upset cause her money train was gone she has never worked and he had a trucking business and they took meth. She didn’t want her daughter to make a report that god grandma stepped up took her and helped her to see it was wrong and have him put in jail.

[@Sarah-Graham575]

@@Monica-bp2pd What’s wrong with some people?!? I’d stop being friends with someone like that, too!!

[@francesmartel7948]

What is WRONG with these crazy women???? There are so many people that have no business being parents. Jenn Soto is one of them.

[@Sarah-Graham575]

@@Nordgrinder That it is but also not uncommon. Humans can be so inspiringly selfless…yet others are repugnantly cruel. Above all else I have and always will do anything possible to protect & love my sons, even as the men they are today.

[@Yourworstfears]

My grandmother was jealous and knew 100% that my grandfather was abusing my mother. She blamed her.

[@JudiT55]

Thank you for always having Maddie’s picture displayed. I along with everyone else, truly appreciate your hard work. ❤

[@jennifers.3818]

The flat tire, I believe, was Maddie making sure he got caught!! Her spirit was still there, fighting back. He got caught and she was able to rest in peace. ❤

[@angellawyer]

Yes I think so too. He could be on the way to the waters with alligators when he got a flat tire.

[@annetteschulz5629]

@jennifers.3818 got it. Wondering about that ...

[@oaklandmade007]

Out of ALL the places to have to stop to change a tire 🤦🏽 it's amazing how this went down..but vengeance isn't done 🔥 Jen is next! Balance will not be restored until Jen has to pay too😡 no way she is just gonna trot off in the sunset ..the last one who did that was Casey Anthony 😡 I stopped watching Courttv back in the day because of her trial😡

[@gailbrown2887]

Don't understand why Anyone would try to Justify Jen BS. All she did was try to protect that Monster. She's guilty for giving Maddie to him. She didn't want to be at her 13th celebration🤬 You make sure it's on a day you can attend. She didn't even have a picture of her missing daughter pulled up hours later. Hi principal I'm fine 🤬

[@lynnparrish1335]

As I’ve said many times during the course of my career,there are an unimaginable number of women who will do just about anything to have a penis in the house.

[@jennifers.3818]

Right!!! And she only worked maybe 8hrs a week?! There is ZERO excuse for her not to know whats happening in her kids life. Im starting to think shes either an alcoholic, drug addict, OR she was pimping her child out. 😡🤬🤢

[@IHeArTrOcK20]

A lot of the women defending her are prob projecting bc they know they are bad moms too so they wanna stick of for her the way they justified their behaviors to themselves. It's only a very small amount of ppl doing so

[@monroeglam]

​@@IHeArTrOcK20I think this too. There is another male KZbinr who with ALL of this evidence still refuses to even acknowledge that Jenn had some part of culpability in this and it's actually disheartening to hear. He said until there's evidence of Jen doing something she's not guilty of anything. Like what...AND even his moderators tell ppl in comments to not victim shame Jen 😐

[@ladyleo944]

I agree anyone protecting jenn in anyway is sick as her That woman gave her child over to a grown man to be abused then did nothing to stop it,I bet in her sick twisted mind she also grew jealous of maddie and didnt care what happen to her ,How sad for Maddie ..RIP Madeline......

[@rogernighbert5436]

This makes me sick, and this guy deserves everything he gets. There's too much of these kinds of things going on. I lost my daughter at 5 years old to leukemia. And I will never understand why anyone would hurt or let alone kill hurt a child. Children are the Presious thing God can give to you.

[@urmyfuture1945]

I'm so sorry for your loss ❤️😢 may God give you love and positivity to overcome it

[@TeresaRobertson-yw8le]

@@rogernighbert5436 so sorry for your loss. I wish Maddie could have had a parent like you, someone who would love and protect her. I just don't understand how anyone could hurt a child. You could also WHY all day, but there's no good answer. You can't make sense out of crazy.

[@monicam2533]

The more I hear about Jen in documents the more I'm disgusted at her. She needs to be charged

[@gailbrown2887]

Please 🙏

[@babe1er]

Is it not child endangerment to leave a minor with an ADULT MALE alone in a bed !!!???? I thought mothers had duty of care there is a charge right there SURELY??

[@valerieleigh4776]

She sure does!!!!!!

[@andrebailey6676]

She won't be charged

[@margaretlumley1648]

I hope she's charged 😮

[@Peaches.523]

I believe Maddie had stopped taking her meds and she wasn’t “knocked” out asleep this night and fought back. To keep her quiet from Jen and possibly the roommates, he did strangle her…. Snuck her out before Jen woke up and used the taking her to McD’s for a special breakfast as an excuse for having left early. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@jennifers.3818]

I think Maddie had it in her head for a long time, this was going to end on her 13th bday. She was finally going to stand up and fight back. I just wish she would've felt safe enough to tell another adult. But the years of grooming affected her thinking, absolutely not her fault at all. Another scenario could've been that HE drugged her and gave her too much. We will never know the full truth

[@Sweetbutters17]

I also wondered since she stopped meds. If she talked back 2 Jen & they fought. Did Jen go off on Maddie? They both need 2 cover up. Or he is black mailing her with her involvement. I wonder if they were both hustling CSAM.💰💰💰💰

[@radiolefantome8936]

I THought that also. Maybe she caught her and him in the act.and the mom strangled her.and they both covered it up.explains her response to the public. ​@Sweetbutters17

[@Sweetbutters17]

@radiolefantome8936 I think she been knowing🦜. Disowning your only child? Also only children have the spotlight at all times. How could she not know? But that smirk when the parrot talked! Some lady stayed up.all night 2 listen 2 that parrot!🦜Remember? Well that "game" used to groom Maddie while watching cartoons? That make shift bed; is where the parrots cage is! It is repeating Sterns words. She broke down each word that parrot said in a chat. "WoooHooo You did it ____ phone". Yep I can't remember but when I heard page 132 G read. It's exactly the rhythm and words of that bird! 🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜JEN knew !

[@Lucy-ym8ch]

Yes, I agree.

[@liferips7544]

I think Maddie wanted them all to sleep in the same bed as a protective measure. If she slept by herself then SS could get access to her.

[@VelvetPanther]

🎯

[@rusunnynow]

I remember an interview with Jen Soto when she said how happy Madeline was with all of her presents! She said it again Madeline just loved All of her presents! Interesting her mom was hyperfocused on was presents. When actually Madeline was sad about what she had Not 🚫 gotten on her birthday! So sad!

[@wildmountainthyme4123]

This is so very sad. A young girl losing her life at age 13, with her entire life before her. Justice for Maddie. I pray for the DP for SS.

[@tinazaccagna1459]

Jen Soto didn’t love Maddie . It’s so painfully obvious . She cared more about sex with her predator SS bf . And her sleep 💤. I hope she is charged with child neglect, endangering the welfare of a child and accessory after the fact for her lies . She treated the dog better than Maddie . Maddie didn’t even have her own private bedroom . She had a set up in the living room with a room divider . What parent would even do that when there are roommates renting rooms there ? Jen Soto is the worst mother on the planet . Her family sucks too for not protecting Maddie? Grandma should’ve tried to get custody of Maddie or call her bio dad to have him get custody .

[@gr9515]

Agree!

[@ladyleo944]

Agree ,The mom is just as sick as him .....

[@mibb1985]

I agree 💯 percent with this however NONE of the family members are worth shit. The aunts and grandparents all stated that they slept together. They was even someone who worked with the aunt that said they heard they all slept together. They all knew it. The grandma herself said she didn't like Stephan. The father is just as much of a scumbag as the mom. From what I read Maddie also said she didn't get along w the mother or like her real father. He was not there for her either. Said the last time he seen her was in 2018 and it is 2024 and now cause his daughter is dead and news channels are paying high prices to be the FIRST ones to interview him now he is so distraught and wishes he had "more time".. Yeah okay u had from 2018 to step in for time. Maybe if she had her real father's presence in her life she wouldn't have been in this mess. We're not there when she was alive so don't be there now just cause he gets some clout and money.

[@deborahpoole9710]

Jenns parents hired a lawyer to get full custody and get the bio dad away from Maddie.

[@gr9515]

@@deborahpoole9710 wow

[@helene1779]

Thank you Gisela!💕🐻 ⚖️Justice for Madeline⚖️

[@loislane856]

No one at primary or high school knew I was being physically and sexually abused. My grades failed. I had the worse self esteem. I was warned that no one would believe me. I wished I had a chance to go back in time. I wish Maddie had the chance to do the same. ❤

[@giorgismama8024]

I’m so sorry you went through that! It’s sad that teachers weren’t able to pick up on things. I was also sexually abused and had similar experiences. But for failing numerous suicide attempts, I would not be here. It breaks my heart that Maddie had to suffer so. I finally recovered from the trauma and am living a good life now in my late 50s. My heart breaks for everyone who is abused and somehow we have to do better as a society.

[@loislane856]

@@giorgismama8024we belong in a silent club unfortunately…I feel so sad to read your journey, and I’m glad you are here today..it’s cases like this I get triggered but feel safe knowing I can share this side of my life in hope that it may help someone else express looking for help. It’s much easier today than it was many decades ago..we had no school councillors to go to, and tbh I was really scared to open my mouth to talk to anyone. This case has me so angry, this precious child was taken by a sexually greedy dirty little man. Something more than justice needs to come out of this..open discussion’s and early intervention for any child showing withdrawn personalities or trouble in wanting to chat.

[@easygrowing9928]

I wish her counselor had asked her more questions about why she felt uncomfortable around ss. A lost opportunity to save her life!

[@deborahhenderson149]

Bless you. I really hope you have managed to put those horrendous memories in a box and live life as a free spirit with lots of happiness. That is in the past but I wish you all the best. XX

[@gladyslongoria9928]

okay, I understand that Madeline mom has mental issues. But from what I heard what that little girl was going through, there's no way you couldn't see that he was molesting her. I'm a grown woman and you would know if that monster was molesting me. For whatever reason it's all bullshit. That woman needs to be charged with neglect and murder. And the family should feel guilt for not helping Madeline. They let it happen.

[@andrebailey6676]

He could have done it while she was at work

[@arielsea9087]

Her job was minimal. Not full time. She is collecting in disability.

[@susannegramlich6754]

I agree if you got issues you would raise them mental issues or not . Sounds like she heavily medicated.

[@nicoley8491]

I feel like there has to be a change in your child.. as a mother how do you not see the slightest change in your child??? If my kids change anything I'm on it

[@margaretlumley1648]

I wonder if her mental issues include a generous touch of sociopathy 😮

[@almutstarke1344]

The devastating thing is, full justice would really mean she would be alive and well and be saved from this Monster.... lam SO sorry what she had go through all these years! How could her Mother not protect her from this creep ... Thank you for all your work Gisela !

[@MrLarrySunshine]

Thank you for correcting the language of Maddie's abuse. My brother on the phone, looking for help with the ugly truth about our father cried out "My dad's been doing bad stuff With my sister!" 30 years and a lot of therapy later, those words still make me sick and hurt. Thank you so much! 🕊❤️ 🐻

[@rhianevans7189]

Hi Gisela Am currently watching this on replay and I cannot fathom how she had no idea about her then boyfriend she does need to be charged imo. If she did this for someone she loves what would she do for someone she hates. Doesn’t bear thinking about. Thanks for relaying this huge document to us. So many lies in there and also red flags Much love and respect from across the pond in Uk x

[@AstariaDayne]

What a beautiful child Maddie was. If she were mine, I'd be shattered. She deserved to be protected. And she wasn't. Plain & Simple. I would give my life for mine, just can't understand a mother who would give their child's life away. 😢

[@julieB715]

If eyes mirror the soul, that animal aged her precious little soul. I will never forgive him and his kind😢

[@marleneclarke5785]

I would refer him to an animal - animals don't do its an insult to animals - he is a disgusting monster period

[@stephaniebach__12-24]

Yes, the eyes truly are the windows to the soul

[@gailheard1524]

IMO the mom's lousy judgement caused the death of her daughter how stupid can one person be and how irresponsible totally irresponsible

[@andrebailey6676]

She could be mentally ill

[@Phoenix8Rising]

Who does she remind you of? Immature, stoned all the time and lies a lot..🤔

[@Phoenix8Rising]

She can't be that stupid if she has a high profile job at Disney.

[@micheleAlba]

Agree

[@lanafrady9254]

I think she knew. She is intelligent enough to hold a job, but totally clueless about her daughter? This case makes me sick.

[@thelmalayco7732]

Stephen was after Madeline from the very start

[@robmcmullen9192]

Thank you for your excellent commentary, G! It was very interesting to hear the details in this document! There are soooo many lies and red flags! Justice for Madeline!

[@lisapriebe8796]

Jenn wasn't even crying when SHE KNEW HER DAUGHTER WAS KILLED

[@valerieslater-t1v]

Unfortunately we can't rely on whether someone cries or not, I have an old friend who is now on antidepressants and her husband ended up in hospital with a heart problem and she said she sat beside him and felt absolutely nothing, she couldnt feel any empathy for him lying there, so I think its possible that if Jen was on that kind of meds she may have flat affect, whereby she finds it hard to feel emotions. Not saying she is innocent at all, I think she is probably guilty about some aspects of the murder. Shame on her if she is ....

[@theycallmevero]

I truly appreciate how you approach such a horrific crime . I especially love the memorial sideshow of sweet Madeline in the beginning. Thank you so much for all your hard work. I'm a new subscriber and you have quickly become one of my favorites!

[@coll4455]

That little boy saying there’s still gonna be a hole in everyone’s heart but to get justice might help close it a bit more was absolutely beautiful ❤

[@sabrinalennox2004]

I don't believe Jennifer Soto . A mother doesn't go from hyper vigilante to grossly negligent

[@blockhartinabox]

I mean, they can.. I've seen it happen, sadly. When a person becomes so despondent and depressed and completely overwhelmed and just on the edge about to jump, they can basically just shut down their emotions, almost like a power off button, and their mind does it as a survival mechanism. Bc you won't kill yourself if you literally can't care about anything, and you basically become an empty shell. I know that's hard to understand for most the population how that's possible. Trust me, that same person who was a loving, responsible, protective parent probably would've called bullshit on the notion before it happened to them. But it can and did happen. Now I'm NOT saying this is what happened with Jen Soto. NOR am I saying that we are ever not responsible for our choices and actions, regardless of whatever internal struggle we have going on. Because we are responsible and accountable, no matter what. And we have to live with whatever consequences may come from those choices. Just like Jen will have to live the rest of her life knowing that her daughter is no longer here, and she's the one person who could have prevented her death. Whether or not she lives that reality out in prison or on the streets is yet to be seen, but honestly it will be the same for her no matter what. She will never escape that reality no matter what she does to try.

[@jamilea3043]

Great post!

[@steviasativa9803]

Yeah they can?! Sometimes people go through things and it changes them completely. I hate JS but that’s absolutely absurd to say.

[@walker4133]

Gisela your deep dives are the absolute best! You do great work! Thanks

[@H.Michele]

FYI RE: Appearing to be “sleeping”. Most of us pretend to be sleeping while this is happening. Firstly, because they usually start up as we’re falling asleep or after we’ve fallen asleep and we fake that we’re still asleep to avoid interaction. Secondly, because we dissociate as a coping mechanism. We keep our eyes closed and check out. I have really weird memories because of places I’d go in my head while it was happening. I will probably never know all of what my step dad did to me because I got that good at dissociation. Sure, she may have been drugged, but looking as though she’s sleeping should be expected.

[@madelineramos7970]

I totally agree with you. Sorry you had to live this situation as well. Bless you

[@orionshomeproductions]

I pretended to be asleep both when my babysitters husband and when my brother was raping me. It was a defensive mechanism

[@lidyseinen]

❤

[@bostonb4kedbeans]

We've all lived the same life

[@darleneann63]

Such beautiful photos you have gathered of Madeline. Thank you. Justice for sweet Maddie.

[@BA-ef4pr]

Imo, I don't think it's a matter of JS not being suspicious, but rather JS just didn't care. Maddie could have lived with anyone else to enjoy the life she deserved.

[@margaretlumley1648]

I agree! 😮

[@brendahedden2683]

Both of these Demons 😈 😈 destroyed innocent Maddie's childhood and life 💔 😢. Hope while in Prison some KARMA comes back on them...Prison Justice for Both these 2 Cockroaches .Throw Both in G.P.Justice for Maddie ❤ 6:24

[@deborahpoole9710]

She got regular child support from bio dad that rarely got to have Maddie.

[@franceslynch8815]

I'm loathe to blame but the more I'm hearing about the items in evidence, the more I find it very hard to believe Jenn could not have known. Thanks g for all your tireless work❤

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

The fact that she uses that phrase after seeing those photos that she did not know that him and her had been sexually active like he was having an affair with another woman! That language right there shows you where her mind is at. 😊

[@SemiSleuth]

THANK YOU YES! Words tell a lot. Not what the F was he doing with my daughter? SCREAM NOOOO! I don’t know some kind of normal mother’s reaction to seeing images of her 13 year old daughter is being SA by the devil.

[@Stumpybear7640]

@@SisterGoldenHair212 JS viewed her daughter as competition . S S was with JS for access to her daughter.

[@marvittacanada5699]

I believe Maddie & Jenn were arguing about Stefan being in the home. I know that happens from experience unfortunately.

[@jeanablake2302]

Me too

[@bebe2v402]

Thank you for covering with such empathy and grace 🙏🏼💔❤️‍🩹

[@TheNetOwl]

I think that Stefan realized he could not break up with Jen as long as he needed to keep an eye on who Maddie was talking to.

[@Phoenix8Rising]

Good point..but that would indicate she was completely oblivious and that is hard to believe.

[@andrebailey6676]

Not necessarily​@@Phoenix8Rising

[@andrebailey6676]

​@@Phoenix8Risingthat doesn't mean that I believe he abused them on and the daughter

[@1234OopsyDaisy]

I think you are right.He needed to keep control of Maddie to ensure that she doesn’t tell anyone what he was doing.

[@TheNetOwl]

@1234OopsyDaisy Nothing like thinking ahead, right?

[@marlenabryant5547]

Ugh no common law marriage in Florida!!! HE IS NOT HER STEP-DAD!!!!

[@sheilaciappetta5937]

I was wondering if Maddie told Stephen that she didn't want to do the things he wanted and threatened to tell on him and then he got angry with her and you know the rest.

[@andrebailey6676]

I believe that's what happened

[@andrebailey6676]

I believe she was probably going to tell her mom that day and he had to kill her before she told Mom

[@sarapeterson5609]

IT'LL ALL COME OUT..IN COURT..CAN'T WAIT 😢😮

[@briattnybrittany6843]

i missed the live and just started the video. i think one of 3 things: a) pregnancy 😢 b) she was interested in peers (as it should be- no child wants nor should EVER be subjected to an adult) and/or c) her resistance to his ab use was escalating. i can't even imagine the horror she experienced in such a short amount of time on this earth 😢

[@margiesporrer9031]

Sounds likely!

[@fuzzy__dunlop]

Gisela is a true crime machine!

[@sheraparker3149]

She is The BEST!!

[@gracereeves5790]

As a middle school and high school teacher, sleepy andctured children "are red flags of a toublesome home environment." That should have been a warning forvteachers and administration. There are only negativevreasons for children to always be sleepy and tired, and usually neglect and abuse are the cause.

[@micheleAlba]

Thanks, G! Such a heartbreaking case. Thanks for all your hard work!

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

Thank you so much! ❤️

[@margaretlumley1648]

Thank you so much for wading through all this with us, G (and moderators!). It's a real gift, not to have to do it alone ❤

[@PamelaLeftwich]

Ms. G, thank you for keeping Maddie in the light so we can find justice for her and those who love ❤️ her! You're an amazing presenter and love your passionate coverage of these true crime cases! ❤Love you lots my friend ❤️!

[@m0L3ify]

Maybe he was heading to the lake when he got a flat tire and panicked and decided he needed to dump the body in case anyone stopped to help him. If he got a flat driving onto the property behind the bamboo trees, there would be tire fragments on the side of the road where her body was found, not across the street in that pulloff. Very lucky for the investigation. It would make a lot more sense that he intended to dispose of her by feeding her to alligators than just dumping her out in the open where anyone could find her, and then just claim she ran away. I know he's not very smart, but it seems like his car was headed in that direction when the flat tire happened.

[@sheraparker3149]

Possibly!

[@SkpBreath]

I call bs. He was way to comfortable keeping years of SA on his phone. What woman doesn't directly or secretly check boyfriends phone at least 1 time in all their years together

[@brendarock9702]

Absolutely, I'm recently guilty for picking up bf's phone (together 6 years). Unlocked, left on counter, he had left room, I felt guilty....... But then we sit together most times, checking messages, paying bills, we see each other's phones all the time, how did she not see???

[@ladyleo944]

I call Bullsh## Why are people letting that sick mom off the hook She dont touch or check her man phone for years ,she dont wash sheets ,she dont go thru rooms in her own house, she dont notice any odd behavior in her daughter or physical differences, Come on ,Lock her up...She allowed it

[@steviasativa9803]

I don’t lol I assume there’s others like me that have trust, respect and boundaries in their relationship. I’ve never looked through anyone’s phone, I find that invasive even if you have nothing to hide.

[@ladyleo944]

@@steviasativa9803 That's cute for you ,I'm far from insecure ,But I check on my investments and glad i did or I'd be living his lie for most likely many years These men living double lives and there women and wives dont have a clue hope they dont bring home a disease one day..stay safe But be wise

[@kellyspryszak80]

Maddie caused that flat tire. She was telling us she was there 💔

[@Wintermaus]

That is childish thinking. Maddie could no more cause a flat tire than she could re-alive herself. She was dead. This kind of gobbledigook mumbojumbo thinking is ludicrous

[@AmericaFirst-bk2sd]

I believe in 'devine intervention ', and Maddie didn't get that in life ' .. only death.. ⚖️💜 Maddie Soto 💜

[@roseannawilson82]

Thought the same the car died on Adam Montgomery with Harmony dead in the car... the car had a flat tyre for Stefan Sterns with Madeline dead in the car...

[@brenmanock]

Port little Maddie being tortured at home with no rescue. Rip. Sweet girl 😢

[@bekagrrl]

I would bet that Stephen caused a rift between Maddie & Jen. He probably lied to both putting negative crap in their heads so that he could be the hero to both of them.

[@susanlong8978]

Well said...much respect and 💕

[@AngelBaby-ek3wu]

I have a young child and single. I have not introduced no man to my child. My family thinks I’m over protective for my child. This is why, I refuse to ever have a real relationship with any man!

[@gr9515]

Be overprotective and over vigilant who cares about what people think. The goal is to protect your child from all these weirdos....family or not. Continue doing a good job mom.

[@AngelBaby-ek3wu]

@@gr9515 I’ve seen to many women, choose the boyfriend, over their own children. And the children suffer for it! Maybe it’s a fear from how, I grew up!

[@jeanablake2302]

​@@AngelBaby-ek3wuI've seen it, too. As a single mom, I wouldn't bring guys to the house, either, and pretty quickly stopped dating at all.

[@sharonashcraft6358]

Stephan abused Maddie for 6 years all of her precious youth. This man better NEVER get out of prison. Thank you for the coverage I appreciate YOU

[@m0L3ify]

These videos are very interesting. Thank you for doing them.

[@julieB715]

Sorry I'm playing catch up, but she referred to M in past tense when talking to agent in car, so she KNEW! She needs to be charged.

[@gherridntbh8n441]

Gisela UR DA BOMB!! Going through all these pages💔😢 So sad for Maddie but I feel she put up a fight. THANK GOD FOR DNA.

[@patriciaward6102]

Thank you for being an advocate for the millions who can’t speak for themselves 💖🌎💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@bianca4931]

Thank you for all your hard work

[@RobinHood_62]

Oohhh..feel so bad more ppl didn't come to her party. Breaks my 💜

[@KatiaPaparone]

Same 😢I don’t have kids and I would’ve raised that child and spoiled her. Life is so unfair sometimes.

[@Shannon_Moore]

I think it's very wonderful that you have an option for your mods to receive gifts. ❤🙏 You're just a really good egg 😊

[@ciaralovebug360]

Yay it’s back thank you G

[@GrandmaGrizzly]

Thank you for getting this back up. I was halfway through as they took it down. Thank you G

[@MKConnecticut]

You make such a great point. Sterns is not some kind of anomaly. He’s a male predator- with NO RECORD! He had friends, he was somewhat attractive, people LIKED him. And yet he’s a monster who tortured and murdered a child

[@jennifers.3818]

THIS!!! This is what we ALL need to remember! Most times these predators are involved in the community, have lots of friends, volunteer for things at schools, church, kids camps, etc. And people give them such great props for beint such a great guy. They are the best at manipulation

[@pk-cp1bo]

I was looking for part 3 replay last night. Glad it showed up tjis morning.

[@mistrjt9213]

I feel like Maddie has asthma but _NOT_ ADHD, social anxiety, bipolar, and whatever else those two trolls claimed.

[@brendarock9702]

I've known parents over the years to search out that special doctor that would give ADHD meds.......

[@jeanablake2302]

Same. She had anxiety & stuff based on being under real threat. Tired of abusers trying to pathologize their victims.

[@ladyleo944]

@@mistrjt9213 I agree ,Acording to stern and jen everyone had a disorder...more like Distraction

[@steviasativa9803]

Anxiety can show it self in many ways..it can wreak havoc on the body. I know from CPTSD.

[@traceymurgatroyd632]

Poor, poor child...Goes home after a disappointing birthday party only for her abuser to turns up without warning....and thenher mother instructs her to stay alone with him all night! I think she tried to stop him and he couldn't risk the housemates hearing her scream/struggle...absolutely heartbreaking.

[@Lilbird29]

How could the mom not know , there would be bleeding. Madeline was a small child

[@verapena9465]

I thought that also

[@shatoshacoleman8229]

Thank you for keeping us up to date in this case. Love your channel.

[@peacewithHim]

So, he helps out his elderly parents because they need him, yet his father was staying at the hotel too? How could he elderly in need mother be left alone? And if SS has daddy's car, what did daddy drive to get there?

[@steviasativa9803]

He probably would have drove with his father to the hotel if they are both staying there and SS had his dads car

[@nmm913]

My theory is we know maddie stopped taking her medication almost a month and a half before stephan came back. He said he helped her get ready for bed that night which INCLUDED giving maddie her medication. I think in the past he was over medicating her to get her knocked out (he was assaulting her while she was asleep in many of the photos). On this night, he attempted to over dose her as he normally did but bcuz she had been off her medication almost a month and a half so the dosage was too high for her body to handle

[@andrebailey6676]

Agree

[@andrebailey6676]

mom was probably abused she probably was physically emotionally and sexually abused by him

[@andrebailey6676]

I believe they were both abused by him

[@andrebailey6676]

I think he forced her to say whatever to keep the real truth from coming out I believe he coached the mom to say whatever he had to say when he went back for those 12 minutes knew he had to get an alibi so he probably did something to the mom

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

I agree. Except she only stopped her medication on Feb 14th, 12 days later there be was.

[@christinecomstock-l3g]

Thank you, for sharing these documents, with us, to help us understand, this very sad case..Justice for Maddie ❤

[@MrPuglove13]

7 years of hell, utter and complete hell for that child. It’s almost too much to contemplate.

[@nessauk2786]

They destroyed her.

[@unapologeticallyauthentic]

58:09 if Mattie did anything with a phone Or a camera, it's because he taught her.

[@traceywinders6921]

If Stephan had left his phone at home and Jenn was trying to ring him multible times would Jenn not have heard his phone ringing. Another lie.

[@steviasativa9803]

Not necessarily?? I hate JS but come on, use your head. Not everyone has their ringer or vibrate on all the time.

[@monicacaseyS]

Thank you G. I really appreciate all your hard work. Just for Maddie 💜

[@1WFran]

Neglected child are often targeted for groomers. Neglecting a child exposes them to ill intent

[@BeyondTheRx]

I live in Central Florida and daily waited in the pick up line at school for easily an hour so my kids didn’t have to wait for me in the crazy traffic…

[@kimvest4239]

I love this channel Griz!!❤️❤️❤️ I can’t afford to become a member but I’m always watching.

[@ciaralovebug360]

Yay part three is back! Thank you G

[@wesleydarling968]

I clicked on this in the night, and got the KZbin notice! I clicked off and went back to sleep - so it was like a dream that I couldn’t shake. Imagine them flagging Gisela!

[@peacewithHim]

Maybe Maddie was always mad at her mother because Jen was ignoring Maddie's pleas to listen to her and keep the creature away from her. That would make anyone depending on their mother for protection, mad.

[@ArtistCreek]

SS was so comfortable with what he was doing he had multiple tripods set up in the house and Jenn never questioned it??? No way. She absolutely knew.

[@Rollimggiant]

I recall hearing that Maddie had a KZbin account that she recorded herself dancing

[@lovelylyrics1687]

Guilty AF people are usually the one's getting someone else to call... she sure does do a lot of avoidance... avoidance to going to Madeline's school is a big red flag... mother's that are just good mother's go to the dang school and have interactions with teachers. As a parent we know usually we want to know what is going on and enjoy meetings with teachers. That woman this case has really had me crying. All these cases upset me but I found myself crying in the car today...i just can't stand the thought of that happening to Maddie and her mother says she is going to put her out of the house at 18 or 19. That's just horrible i can't imagine Maddie being a kid in trouble all the time... they don't mention it...i just hate that she had to go through all that. Moms should be there around and talk to their kids.

[@livingintheforest3963]

Thank you so much for doing this. I’ve listened to each episode. Terrible what a mother!

[@carolsimmons5205]

Great work! Thanks so much! 🙏

[@belindabeurrier5540]

I love the way you break things down.❤

[@wilmaharrison]

How can Jenn say she needed sleep bc of her anxiety and not have any anxiety about her ex boyfriend sleeping alone with her young daughter?

[@brendarock9702]

I think during trial we will see Jenn was not capable of taking care of herself let alone being responsible for another life. Not all women are mother's these days. Jen's defense attorney will find a way to make Jen a victim, probably starting in her early years, this will all be societies fault, her boyfriend's fault, it won't be Jen's fault, she will be painted as a fragile, week minded, abused in all ways...... I'm praying prosecutors are going to hold her to what happened

[@Angiehagman]

She’s a selfish, neglectful sicko. As more info comes out, it appears that Jen was very mean to Maddie (obvious jealousy) they weren’t close, almost as if she hated her own daughter

[@sandrarodriguez5949]

Greetings from Connecticut. Thank you for the beyond excellent coverage!! I'm a big fan. Best always. 💜

[@sindiswamoolman5505]

So grateful to you that I don’t have to read a 896 pages doc. I can just listen to you read it until I fall asleep. Thank you.

[@shaunamcdaniel5743]

How odd is it that the forensic technician that wrote up the first report you read is named Jennifer Soto?

[@lizsimmons2829]

Right? I noticed that too!

[@Thepublicaccount]

I pointed that out the first day she was reading when she thought it was the mother’s signature. At least a Jennifer. Soto took care of her, even though she had already passed at least she’s the one who made sure the body was treated with respect and was on the handoff team.

[@alix73]

Great job as always!😊

[@sherilawrence9919]

Bless little Maddie's heart ❤️🙏🙏❤️.

[@amandajohnson-williams7718]

Yes, Sheril so very, very sad 💔 Maddie never had the chance to live the life she deserved and God gave her. These actions by SS and her own mothers indifference were cruel beyond comprehension. Prayers for Maddie May she now RIP 🙏 🕊🙏🕊🙏🕊✝️✝️✝️

[@StageIVissoBroadway]

The wisdom and compassion of the young people, breaks my heart. 🙏🏼