Part Two: The Real Bastard Was Health Insurance Companies All Along

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Part Two: The Real Bastard Was Health Insurance Companies All Along | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert and Kaveh continue with another wacky fake doctor story that snowballs into a vast conspiracy by health insurance companies to make everyone else's life much worse.
Original Air Date: March 28, 2024
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@portmantologist 2 ай бұрын

The whole conversation about how it's not worth the insurance companies' time and money to investigate fraud because they can just charge their customers more is very similar to how retailers have blamed shoplifting for closing stores down, even though neither was shoplifting the widespread scourge they wanted you to think it was, nor does shoplifting negatively impact stores the way they want you to think it does.

@Virjunior01 2 ай бұрын

Word. Tons of stuff that's still good or useful just gets thrown away, too. All for dollars and consents (clever, I know :P)

@jays.6843 2 ай бұрын

@shithoagie I worked at a hardware store way back in the day. We had a defective chainsaw come in and it went straight into the dumpster. Stockboy asked the manager if he could dig it out because he wanted it for parts. He said go for it. Next day, guy was fired by corporate for stealing from the dumpster. Ten years later, I'm still angry about it.

@RichardTerry 2 ай бұрын

@@jays.6843 I worked at a department store in my 20s on the team who's job it was to take down old displays to put up new ones. One time we were switching out all the old demo plates and cups they had in the display case. I asked if I could just have them as they were going in the compactor otherwise. My manager said they would check. I was told later that day that not only was I not allowed to do it, but corporate wanted my manager to force me to destroy them for asking, and made him watch me do it to ensure I didn't try to steal them.

@DavidDylanFisher 2 ай бұрын

There needs to be a law in effect protecting dumpster-diving; I mean, you're literally THROWING IT AWAY, meaning you forfeit ownership of it. At the same time, the law could indemnify the people who throw stuff away from liability if people who fish it out of the trash get sick or injured from it.

@jacksonayres6326 2 ай бұрын

@@jays.6843 Moral of the story, don't ask I suppose.

@blameron8836 2 ай бұрын

"Why didn't the insurance companies do anything about a scammer?" game recognizes game

@TurbopropPuppy 2 ай бұрын

I'm a simple autistic adult, I hear "autism treatments", I go "Oh, so torture. We're going into torture territory." And sure enough, fisticuffs ABA!

@gothboschincarnate3931 2 ай бұрын

ABA is Abuse... but the christions and republicans love it.

@magpieMOB 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I feel like "treatments" is always the giveaway word there - now, you can try to treat distress, but that's a symptom, anything that's actually GOOD for autistic people is better described as "support" because it recognises that the autism itself isn't what you're "treating"

@bfish89ryuhayabusa Ай бұрын

The closest thing to "treatment" is finding a life that actually fits how you function, but that mostly requires restructuring society to be less bullshit.

@magpieMOB Ай бұрын

@@bfish89ryuhayabusa well said

@Tsurael 2 ай бұрын

Nobody can prove Sophie was there for those bar murders, but we all know what happened in Grand Rapids, MI that October 15 years ago and who was responsible.....

@justinbremer2281 Ай бұрын

I can't look at a hammer the same way anymore

@waywardscythe3358 2 ай бұрын

The Iraq War deck of cards idea for big executives is legit a good idea.

@hiding_my_name 2 ай бұрын

This is so frustrating. When I went into inpatient rehab, a program that is intended for 28 days, and is often recommended by a medical professional to attend, health insurance would actually dictate how much time a person could spend in rehab based on their medical history. I was in with people who's insurance would only pay for 7 days inpatient. Addiction really only has 2 outcomes. Death or sobriety, so when a doctor says a person needs inpatient and the insurance companies say "nah, we think you only need 7 days" its criminal that these companies dont go after fraud but are playing with people's lives. Im sure all sorts of medical services are underfunded by these criminal ponzie schemes. Its not just not wanting to pay for the whole 28 days either, because people who required multiple stays would often be allowed more time by their insurance after the first 7 days was unsuccessful. So we have insurance companies thwarting medical advice based on the goal of just making money. Not quite sure how insurances are able dictate medical services, but when this occurs and they dont go after fraud it really makes me lose faith in humanity.

@everfluctuating 2 ай бұрын

absolutely criminal that people with no medical background are allowed to be the head of insurance companies and decide what is and isnt medically necessary enough. they have blood on their hands.

@adam346 2 ай бұрын

It's his on-call knowledge of Star Trek that really endears me to him.

@trioptimum9027 Ай бұрын

Just for the record, the realest way to get called "Dr. Lastname" is a PhD. Physicians, in an age when medicine was not nearly as prestigious as it is today, borrowed the title in an effort to look as cool and educated as PhDs.

@BeastNationXIV 2 ай бұрын

"It's me Austin!" "Aw, sonuvabitch" "It was me along, Austin!"

@sockstorm07 2 ай бұрын

that marfa joke had me in actual tears

@cringusmoss9937 2 ай бұрын

Watching this now so the title switch doesnt make me lose the series 😅

@XschultzieX 2 ай бұрын

You see me now, a veteran, of the tiny grocery store. As a Midwest guy who now lives in Tennessee, I've seen a ton of different grocery chains. Piggly Wiggly, Pick N Save, Jewel/Osco, Woodman's, Mariano's. I could go on... But I'm right there with you, Robert.

@casspurp 2 ай бұрын

Community colleges in the US often pay better for non-tenure or TT faculty than 4-year colleges and universities. I'm a university lecturer and local CC professors have a better contract, salary, and health insurance. So I doubt he was fired for salary issues.

@ryri51 2 ай бұрын

Yeah it sounds like maybe he was doing something inappropriate with students or something.

@iivin4233 Ай бұрын

Why are their contracts better?

@portmantologist 2 ай бұрын

I grew up about an hour south of Seattle, and my neighborhood supermarket was a Piggly Wiggly (later Hogan's Market, then a QFC). It's been made clear to me over the years just how strange that is.

@LethargicScientist 2 ай бұрын

I also grew up an hour south of Seattle, but the only grocery stores we had were a QFC, a Safeway, a Fred Meyer and later an Albertsons.

@jellyfishjones4741 2 ай бұрын

Yeahhh shout out to my boy the hologram doctor from Voyager!

@laserspaceninja 2 ай бұрын

He never found out the nature of their medical emergency.

@OnnieKoski 2 ай бұрын

Wow… these insurance companies have the same reporting system as Shopify

@Zomonitan 2 ай бұрын

I can't believe they didn't go straight to the FBI right off the bat. That would be my first thought if I got that kind of info

@brutalbunny 2 ай бұрын

i always hated piggly wiggly because they never had the Cool Snacks

@glentgsomethingsomething 2 ай бұрын

but those tees?

@christiandillard2365 2 ай бұрын

My mom worked at the Piggly Wiggly in the bakery and I fucking loved going there. I'd read the video game mags and eat the day old doughnuts and wait for my mom to get off work.

@BeastNationXIV 2 ай бұрын

*coming back to actually listen to episode* Oh...so your insurance company basically did that thing shitty bosses do to hard working employees who "aren't meeting" an expectation that either changes to a ridiculous level (or reverts to unreasonable standard in the current situation that makes it impossible), but when you ask why you weren't told about this (and why you don't see others doing what you're expected to do now), all of a sudden it's your fault because "it's always been like that," and you're gonna get fired for not already doing that for the past amount of time in that job, since you can't just immediately meet said ridiculous standard....that checks. 😂 No, don't worry. I'm not mad about my experience in retail as an "essential worker" during the pandemic. Not me. 😂

@gothboschincarnate3931 2 ай бұрын

true

@jamiefrontiera1671 2 ай бұрын

Everytime you say they could have gotten away with it, im hearing a scooby doo villian going "i would've gotten away with it, if it wasnt for these meddling kids!"

@Happytohelp_ 2 ай бұрын

I kinda want to do medical fraud now (NO ONE SNITCH!!)

@royalFiddle 2 ай бұрын

This episode makes me feel psychotic this is fucked

@magpieMOB 2 ай бұрын

"Doesn't that just make you want to burn down a building?" - Robert Evans, speaking for all of us

@shadowdroid776 2 ай бұрын

It's somewhat comforting to know insurance companies are complete fucking headaches in every category and not just when figuring out if something is covered or not. They're consistent in being terrible at least lol

@mybumstudios1989 2 ай бұрын

I just passed through Marfa before hearing this.

@Dyrnwynn 2 ай бұрын

Dr. Julian Bashir is the best Trek Doctor.

@thomaskalinowski8851 2 ай бұрын

Dr. Bashir: saved 2 races from extinction. Dr. Phlox: caused 1 race to go extinct.

@lampb0obs 2 ай бұрын

My dad met Fred Meyer when he delivered for Pepsi in the 70s. Period. I’ve heard that story probably 70 times, shout out Freddy’s

@chompytv8591 2 ай бұрын

Holy shit, you said Piggly Wiggly and my brain shot back to 2004 Louisiana.

@eliotbarnhart2810 2 ай бұрын

Wrt the imessage thing: iirc, kids under 13 are forced to be under their parent's apple ID under a child account. I THINK you can create a child account for a 13-17 y/o but im not as certain. Either way, it allows for parents to monitor and control children's ipad use. You can get around this by either lying about the child's age in the set up or by simply making a fucking backup apple id so you don't incriminate yourself. I've spent a long time helping many a dumbass set up smart products, so he could have just goofed it. But I wonder if he set it up the way he did due to a need to control his children/undermine the way his ex wife would have controlled her children's ipad use

@jayspeidell 2 ай бұрын

I have use my unofficial lifetime worth of physical therapy so if I have a hard time walking the treatment is to go f myself. And the Washington State Office of the Insurance Commissioner says the insurance company gets final say in my medical needs, I don't really need treatment. It was an illegal, bad faith insurance denial and i have a legal right to that service. I didn't even use half of my visits for a year. Premera is literally committing a crime and the WA OIC said I, my doctor, my surgeon, my other surgeon, another ortho specialist, and two physical therapists have less of a say in my medical need than a failed doctor in the midwest who HAS LITERALLY BEEN SUED IN THE PAST FOR MEDICAL FRAUD. I have so much hatred for the people that run this system. I can't even finish the episode. I have to go smoke weed. Hearing the Washington OIC mention makes my blood boil. And fun fact, they're also the reason your car insurance premiums are going up 24% this year. The office is just a rubber stamp for the insurance industry to give the illusion of oversight.

@jayspeidell 2 ай бұрын

Meanwhile yes I am still paying for insurance that I can't use.

@Amadeus451 2 ай бұрын

I'm frankly not surprised the insurance companies refused to do something about the fraud reported to them. They would have to admit they were wrong about something, and corporations don't accept loss-of-face willingly.

@yourlocalnerd7788 2 ай бұрын

I can't tell you how infurating this was to listen to. Insurance will let themselves get scammed but they refused to cover my hrt because I wasn't diagnosed with low t (I'm a trans dude I'm pretty sure it's low without intervention)

@Velkhana22 2 ай бұрын

They fuck us over so much over something as benign as HRT, and it is infuriating to no end how easy this stuff is for cis people to get.

@BlindErephon 2 ай бұрын

What gets me is that it creates this climate where the only logical or possible thing to do to get the system to function adequately is to literally just scam it. Eventually its fraud all the way down but its just people doing fraud to pay for their actual medical needs because non fraud interactions cant get done.

@sd-ch2cq Ай бұрын

In the Netherlands we just had *the craziest doctor*: a medical student in Utrecht who was denied graduation for mental health reasons, and eventually shot 3 people (his neighbors and then his teacher). Dude was very active on 4chan, so we have a big record of how utterly unhinged he was.

@diggysoze2897 2 ай бұрын

Welp, I know what my next business will be!

@CubanSpartan 2 ай бұрын

Running a low tier grocery chain with a weird name?

@diggysoze2897 2 ай бұрын

@@CubanSpartan I was more leaning towards Christian Science Sanitorium, but I like the way you think.

@VHand5 2 ай бұрын

Robert holds correct opinions of Texas.

@SesshyLover777 2 ай бұрын

Look Robert, Norman never had a piggily wiggily but we DID have a sketch wrights IGA 🤭

@Velkhana22 2 ай бұрын

OH dude, we had the most sketch, run-down IGA back where I grew up in Florida, and we only went there if the Winn-Dixie didn't have some sort of veggies we needed. I do remember them having the cheapest corn in town, but that's about it.

@SesshyLover777 2 ай бұрын

@@Velkhana22 ours had the only Cantadina tomato paste in town for a long time (a must for my ma's sauce) so we always went just for that 🤭

@noranoxica 2 ай бұрын

Piggily Wiggily has the best beer isle in our area lolol. Two full isles.

@bfish89ryuhayabusa Ай бұрын

I've only been to one once since I was a kid, but that tracks.

@mathewevans9706 2 ай бұрын

It's episodes like these that make me go insurance delenda est and other things

@burneternally 2 ай бұрын

I was just advertised to by some kind of 'your dollars will soon be worthless ' grifters here on KZbin. Awesome advertising standards YT.

@charleslecki3609 2 ай бұрын

Going to the Cult of the 12th Man to be better running dodgeball games

@bfish89ryuhayabusa Ай бұрын

Piggly Wiggly is a store that tries to give off "mom and pop" vibes, but is clearly not, so it ends up feeling kinda trashy, but you can definitely get your groceries there, so I can't really complain about it as a grocery store. Source: In the late 90s when I lived in Prairieville, LA, that was the only grocery store.

@dragonsword7370 Ай бұрын

Add forcing facts from me. I live in Carbondale, Illinois which never had a Pig Wiggly's. But the Show "Bones" mentioned a main character's robber father holding one up in the 80's(I think).

@ZBott 2 ай бұрын

Don't limit to just health insurance. C suites all over need have faster turn over.

@commandantcarpenter 2 ай бұрын

the friends we didn't make along the way

@stephanier8156 Ай бұрын

Does btb post sources they used for research anywhere? I've been looking for a bit and can't find them, id love to read the couple of propublica articles Robert references in this episode.