The Rise, Fall, And Rise Again Of Ring Of Honor (Part 2) | partsFUNknown

The Rise, Fall, And Rise Again Of Ring Of Honor (Part 2) | partsFUNknown
Ring of Honor during the 2010s had a lot of ups and downs and now with the success of Tony Khan's Supercard of Honor we shall continue our look at Ring of Honor's history with a trip back through some of their toughest times. Let us know your favorite match from this era in the comments below!
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[@partsFUNknown]

TEMPEST: Hi all! We've got a lot of great feedback on Rise and Fall series and I would love to keep doing these little retrospectives on other promotions so if there are other promotions you want to learn about let me know in the comments here and make sure to share the video around so we can keep making them! Thank you all again for getting us to 200,000 last weekend as well, your support means more than you know!

[@jeffemerson60]

Would love to see one on Lucha Underground. That show/promotion was a big reason why I and a lot of my online friends got back into wrestling or started to explore other options outside of WWE and the journey of it's peak popularity to it's death and now sort of rebirth in MLW is so wild I would be very intrested to see you do a video on it.

[@lilsunny7399]

I'd love to know the full ins and outs of NWA/TNA/IMPACT! I saw a little TNA back in the day, i know of their biggest stars like Styles, Daniels, Abyss, Aries, Joe Bully Ray etc but i don't really know anything much about say, what caused Jarrett to leave in the first place, how they managed a big boom in the late 00s and why they were on such shaky ground for most of the mid-late 2010s. It'd be an interesting tale.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

@@jeffemerson60 YES

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

@@lilsunny7399 Yep!

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

+partsFUNknown I'd like to see a retrospective on Wrestling Society X (which would be hilarious) and NXT (Black & Gold) from 2012-2020.

[@Lunacorva]

I got to correct you on one thing: Sami wasn't just "inspired" by Generico, he was one of the people who was raised in the El Generico orphanage.

[@TMW_ShadowStarr]

Glad someone mentioned it! I was about to say lol

[@ThyNameIsCool]

And he was trained by Generico

[@PricefieldPunk]

Its funny how so many guys who left ROH for WWE then left WWE for AEW and now AEW has ROH. Yet so many ppl say AEW just hires ex WWE guys. Like they either trolling or uneductated or just so disrespectful to ROH.

[@arthurdsouza10]

How dare you disrespect WWE and it's fans they're always right and only they can sign ppl other's need their permission to sign star's cause they own them even after firing them for obviously "Budget Cuts".

[@OmarLh685]

@@arthurdsouza10 you forgot the /s

[@brandongordon2392]

Seriously.. ROH helping Rhodes and the Bucks with All In was basically what you said.. like Hart walking through Shawn Michaels through a Sharpshooter

[@DrakeKnight99]

And now look. Tony came in their hour of need and brought them back from the brink

[@brianmatenga6275]

I don't get it

[@jerelwestmoreland8416]

@@brianmatenga6275 He's in a sense saying that AEW screwed ROH like Shawn screwed Bret. ROH, like Bret, chose to help their competition when it was obvious said competition needed helped. And, much like Bret, once giving that helping hand they set themselves up to be screwed without knowing their going to get screwed in the end.

[@Lastrit_JME]

Can’t wait for Part 3, the ROH that dug their own grave

[@stoker_ichikawa]

Perfect timing! Just sat down

[@MungareMike]

The sequel finally arive!!! Thank you Tempest!!

[@guihdxn]

I can't express with words how much I love Tempest. Srsly, this video rocks ❤️❤️ love from Brazil!!

[@MuhammadAshraf-ke1ww]

Tempest "The Wrestler" is really good in narrating any documentary. His videos on Okada/Tanahashi or Roman Reigns's rise or HBK/Chris Jericho feud were really really good.

[@volodymyrbilyk555]

Young bucks weren't a thing when Cornette was in ROH. They really began to gain traction in 2014-15 long after Cornette was gone.

[@TempestLikesWrestling]

It’s true but he did still clash with them before and afterward.

[@chrishill7386]

He had to use them because they quit there jobs in impact and they all felt bad for them then he understood about them and didn't like them and they wanted to do crazy spots that they were told not to do

[@ChristopherJames1993]

You do know that Kenny and The Bucks lied to Jim Cornette when he hired them to ROH. The told him they were injured the night they were gonna debut then went to Japan and did a hardcore match. He has every right to hate them. You don't lie to the guy that's signing you.

[@RealDanFoster]

Tempest is fantastic at this great job. Can't wait for part 3

[@emigrant1510]

2:42 Yeah, but didn't they have Steen as World Champ for close to a year around his time? I know Cornette is divisive and all, but outside of maybe failing to strike when the iron was at its hottest on some guys (Tyler Black, Davey Richards) his influence on booking wasn't nearly _that_ problematic to ROH. Frankly, I think there were far more severe issues with ROH's talent exchange with NJPW if anything. Hopefully those can be touched upon on Part 3. Apart from that, good video! I like these series of vids with Tempest.

[@TempestLikesWrestling]

Oh you will love part 3 then! And no doubt there were other factors besides Cornette but he was definitely a figure that some of fans didn't like. Personally I didn't even dislike Cornette's era, twas my first and still the most nostalgic for me.

[@Spidervenom23]

Cornette had this Horrible Problem in which he build his Company up while tearing down the other companies he work with in his Commentary and he force that style on the Other Commentators like Kevin Kelly and even Nigel to a extent (It's the same problem with the very Early Problem ROH Shows like The Era of Honor Begins). While that might work in the early 90's for WCW, it's doesn't work for a company that was at the time the Third Biggest Company in Wrestling. It's actually the same problem that AEW and the Hogan's Era TNA has as well.

[@emigrant1510]

@@TempestLikesWrestling Lol, guess I will. I've just felt like that aspect of the NJPW relationship has been one that hadn't been acknowledged enough. Thanks for responding, dude. Leep doing what you're good at!

[@kmajorleague]

perfect timing! just got in the car

[@johnquigley4900]

By mid 2017, i think the general consensus was that ROH had surpassed TNA, considering this was when they merged with Global Force and had 3 names changes in a few months

[@jliller]

It's amazing Impact/TNA still exists and is even perhaps on an upswing now. It should be dead and bankrupt a half-dozen times over.

[@tornado2366]

@@jliller I remember it almost was at one point but I think it was saved by someone I can't get my head around who it was

[@codino97]

@@tornado2366 it was the music guy bill corgan or something similar hes in nwa now

[@tremendous2464]

Ahh the era of $5 Wrestling putting on more reliable iPPV streams than a promotion owned by a multi million dollar company... I always felt bad for the wrestlers when the streams went down, it must of really sucked to be working so hard in the ring but all people are talking about is technical issues. Great work Tempest! Looking forward to part 3 😁

[@njdevilsforlifewoohoo5533]

Loving this series. Can't wait for Part 3 and any that might follow.

[@WikkedTwist]

Tempest rules at retrospectives!

[@leeshwan903]

I am learning so much! Thank you for this series of videos. And Tempest is a superb presenter 👍🏻

[@hrishik_1503]

Honestly ROH was better with Cornette than after Cornette left. I don't blame him for disliking the Young Bucks seeing that a lot of their work on AEW rn is not the greatest. I get that Cornette tends to dislike a lot of good today, but what he does like is always definitely good

[@michaelsinger4638]

The Young Bucks are over and they’ve been successes everywhere they’ve gone. The problem with Cornette is he lets his personal feelings cloud his judgment way too much.

[@hrishik_1503]

@@michaelsinger4638 Agreed, hence what tends to happen is there are lots of missed opportunities. Which is why I said that he dislikes some good, where I'm defending him is that if he likes someone, they're definitely good

[@mahakalavanilla6263]

How does he do that exactly? He’s always called Shawn Michaels the best wrestler of his generation while absolutely hating his guts personally

[@hrishik_1503]

@@mahakalavanilla6263 I think that's more because he liked Shawn Michael's work and hated him as a person. Compare it to young bucks where not only does he hate them as people, but also hates their work. I think he's more sensitive about the work aspect of it lol

[@j-hound3731]

Lol what a bad take Young Bucks lead ROH to highest heights it ever reached. As soon as Cornette left the boom period started the only reason ROH is no more now is because Sinclaire did not go all in with the Elite when the time was right

[@royalty843]

Got my blunt ready

[@TempestLikesWrestling]

Blaze it friend

[@just1idiots]

Great series, been a joy watching you grow into your element, my Canadian luchador friend.

[@corinschweigert2715]

Wow somebody really doesn't like Cornette...

[@jesusbernal9885]

That last 60 seconds killed me.

[@rashidhasanrafi]

11:36 great transition. Really liked the video man

[@USHARDY]

I stopped watching ROH in 2011. Other than getting older and having less interest in wrestling, I was frustrated with the multiple problems with their iPPVs, as well as taking too long to put the title on my favorite wrestler on their roster Davey Richards. By the time he won the championship I had pretty much stopped watching. I also didn’t want to keep spending money to keep up with their product, back in those years it took a lot more effort to stay updated with what they were doing, back then I was only accustomed to watching wrestling with a weekly show and monthly PPVs.

[@johnytwotimes4072]

I appreciate the Tom and Jerry clip 🤣🤣🤣

[@zo851]

These videos have been unbelievably well made so far, you’re killing it, Tempest!

[@djaveryjr4155]

I started watching ROH in Summer of 2013 and I love it and it was awsome I love Kevin steen

[@themaskedmark92]

2018 was when i First catch up with roh,wish i did way before but It was so good

[@chrishill7386]

Okay, Cornette didn't want to push the bucks because they had the brisco Brothers and other good tag teams and he wasn't a fan of them to begin with, and he wanted to push Kevin but he didn't have a great attitude to them and when Kevin left and lose weight becausethe creative team told him to and when they had nothing for him he gain the weight back, but Cornette did push, Cole, Fish, O'Reilly, Caimpa, and other talent, he talked about it on this podcast. But I understand if you say it was ROH downfall

[@brunodiaz4726]

Damn, that delirious pic with light eyes look sick

[@jparks3998]

Future shock the system buddies. Clever girl tempest

[@seabass7535]

Such an awesome video. Hope to see more videos like this !

[@thacool101]

8:27 i could see cedric alexander in chaos if wwe lets him go

[@debapriyomukhopadhyay2329]

That tweet,, has changed the wrestling world for good & has stopped the MONOPOLY OF WWE.. awesome video can't wait for the 3rd part!!!!

[@jasontardiff2149]

Congratulations on 200k subs😀

[@NateBuschLite4]

ROH is the Moneyball of pro wrestling

[@vbadger1056]

Them not putting the title on tyler at final battle 08 and waiting till they turned on him was just so wow

[@prj7894]

I don't get people craze with ROH . It couldn't even beat TNA

[@balpreetsingh6834]

Legend has it that El Generico is still building orphanages in Mexico

[@moriordan85]

The cornette era was not as bad as ppl try to claim..I think the biggest problem during this era was the IPPV debacles. Hard to keep fans when the big shows can't be counted on.

[@jerranspearman3369]

good video

[@InfamousCue]

1,100 on that like!

[@goodfella1401]

4:16 Props to however choose that picture of Feyenoord fans. You couldn't have chosen a better group of supporters who were suffering immensely during that time due to the terrible leadership of their football club

[@sammarkharrison]

So basically cornette bad because there were technical issues on ppvs that were obviously his fault why didn't he fix Americas Internet. And young bucks good even though they killed the company and put lots out of work got it

[@wish8349]

How tempest would book please

[@ATKL2k12]

Great video but there was one point that was well off the mark. Supercard of Honor in 2018 was kind of a failure all things considered when viewing it through the lens of competition with NXT. TO: NOLA is widely considered not just perhaps the best Takeover, but one of the best wrestling PPVs/specials ever, and there are so many accounts on social media (including videos here on KZbin) with people who attended Supercard regretting it & wishing they had went to TO instead.

[@artemis-kinkyboikirby5539]

So it was all Jim Cornette's fault, got it

[@victorapolinario2766]

I would put a second fall. ROH 100% fell into a abyss after aew started and took their major players

[@ethangoldstein8063]

LFG

[@tmawd20]

We just ganking from The Company Man now? Lol

[@Lightspeeds]

Maybe this is a call for a collaboration video?

[@TheQrstOne]

I was going to ask where the Cornette hate came from, then I heard the second half of this video. 🤢🤮

[@ScoobieDoobie197474]

Where’s Adam?

[@GOJOWrestling]

your view on indy wrestling is completely flawed, As an indy promotion and indy promotion owner, The fans search it out and support itm

[@jacobcraft123]

Will always respect ROH but.....all this trash talk on TNA yet TNA hasn't needed another wrestling company to dig them out of a almost filled grave , just sayin

[@JohnReedy07163]

The "First Fall" wasn't even a fall

[@j-hound3731]

So basically Jim Cornette was the problem. Before him ROH connected with the audience and after he left the boom period of ROH began. Jim Cornette provides no value addition to any promotion

[@albertogarcia2317]

Sinclair Broadcasting Group is like the worst cuz they're not experienced of handling pro wrestling and thank goodness TK free ROH from the conservative publicly traded American telecommunications conglomerate.

[@Keerat-Batter-every-Day]

Born of AEW . Ya ?

[@killingragethrowback]

I have to agree that Cornette was poison to ROH. Instead of making the best of what he had to work with, he kept insisting on doing it his way. He still is even now that he's no longer in the game. Man is out of touch.

[@Famousactormikeypenis]

Wait, Cornette is an out of touch terrible booker, yet ROH had some of the most interesting matches and feuds at the time?

[@sujaldubey2709]

Bro he likes young bucks and that kind of phony wrestling,its obvious hes gonna blaim everything on cornette

[@jeffcherubin9073]

When I heard the Twitter bird sound at 11:35, I was like "Huh?" but once the tweet in question faded in, I had a smile on my face.

[@YEYawson8376]

Finally. Part 2. Just the perfect time to lie down on my bed and watch this vid.

[@boyankovachev7982]

Mood. Tho I've almost watched the whole video on the 7 minute way home. 😂😅😂😂😥😢😂😂😂 One love ❤️

[@AndrewKerr5]

I love these Wrestling promotion history videos. More, please???

[@Heavy_C]

It hasn’t risen again tho… they had one super card, if you can call it that. Basically the FTR/Briscoes match, and Joe returning saved the whole show. Otherwise it was a bunch of AEW curtain jerkers. They have no TV deal. So it’s likely the library will be the only thing to rise again.

[@kennythetrend3688]

I went to All In. Made me love wrestling again after WWE disappointed me in a time where I was going through a lot of negative change. Mother passing away, moving to another town which meant I had to give my cats up for adoption and transfer schools. Overall, my life sucked in most of 2018. Until I went to All In. Which is why I feel especially betrayed and heart broken that Cody went back to WWE after he proved to me and 11,263 fans in the arena that night WWE wasn't the be all end all, yet he STILL went back on Wrestlemania.

[@tremendous2464]

Well said 👏 I feel a similar way too.

[@ATKL2k12]

Sorry for all your tough losses during that period and it is lovely to see an example of pro wrestling given someone hope during a bad part of their life (I have my own story in 2018/2019 with that). However, while it is okay to feel emotions (it can't be helped) in the moment, in the same way it is okay for Cody as his own man with his own obligations/responsibilities (especially as a father to a newborn) to make the decision that he feels works best for him. Pro wrestling, while it is an incredible art form, is a business and Cody made what he believed to be the best business decision. It's wrong to parasocially project on him like that and be disappointed in him & judge his decision on his personal life like that.

[@nameredactedmessageretract7225]

We just have to remember that Cody is human also. People and things change. I'm sure when he said he'd never go back he meant it at the time. Then aew blew up, he had a baby, and he needed something different. I'm still bummed about it like you are, but I'm sure he'll make his way back to aew eventually.

[@albaniampureana8602]

Calling it, CORNETTE will sign to ROH

[@kitfo18]

Kevin Stean, yes the bucks no. Now that they are on TV a lot of people are being turned off to them. They have a smaller fan bas then people thought AEW would give them because people don't want to see someone throw 6 super kicks and not be able to get a win with it.

[@michaelsinger4638]

No, not really.

[@kedarpatil7613]

Give me Okada vs Tanahashi 2! I won’t stop until I get what I want!

[@JustKeepFlowingYes]

Loving this series

[@juniorbabylon]

Terrible timing! I just got up!

[@gerardogalarza8066]

If I see anymore Tempest slander I WILL START SWINGING

[@jayduffy5532]

The first time I saw ROH was on reruns on fight network

[@Kobe24brady12]

rise again? when did that happen?

[@bunyan4.20]

Hope i dont have to wait too long again for part 3 too awesome have to see it soon

[@Christopherjazzcat]

Bless our most beloved luchador for his tireless work building orphanages. El Generico numero uno!

[@arnoldtettero8470]

Did I just see Feyenoord shirts in an explanation about roh

[@SandmanMFC]

What a great way to end the video.

[@markwrenn5965]

Yay.

[@itamarstrauss5170]

2:43 that's not what Cornette will tell you 🤣😅