Passenger jet crash in Kazakhstan kills dozens, rescue efforts underway | DW News

[@kristiankumanov5732]

It's Not crash, IT was shot down!

[@christhompson2006]

It still crashed.

[@Agwings1960]

Stop with the nonsense, it wasn't a bird strike, the tail of the aircraft is full of shrapnel holes from a missile, it was shot down

[@Mint_Mushroom2976]

yes, but by who?

[@RationalQuestions]

Russia

[@Samayil_2024]

Lol, they haven't even removed the debries and you came up with a forensic analysis.

[@Djamonja]

@@Samayil_2024 Yea, I'm not seeing any shrapnel holes in that tail section. The misinformation is going to be ridiculous as usual.

[@ShulamitHanegbi]

​@Djamonja If you look at other reporting sources, you can clearly see the damage. Luckily, the plane didn't end up in Russia, so soon enough it will be confirmed.

[@lashachakhunashvili1399]

Russian birds seem to be able to leave significant shrapnel marks on plane fuselages as the crash site footage shows.

[@billsimpson604]

Woodpeckers?

[@markmd9]

The plane was shot down! There are videos of the tail full of shrapnels. And the only one who is shooting rockets in Caspian sea is Russia.

[@thx9977]

Not a bird strike. I saw pictures of the trail with what looks like shrapnel damage. Very hard to land a plane with no elevator control.

[@markmd9]

Exactly, and the only one who is shooting rockets in the Caspian sea is Russia.

[@PerteTotale]

flight data says it wa oscillating up down for most of its flight

[@markmd9]

@@PerteTotale false, only near the shore before the crash

[@LunaticTheCat]

There's also a video showing what looks to be shrapnel damage on what I believe is a fuel tank hanging from the wing. My bet is the plane was struck by some sort of SAM or AAM.

[@ignonito6130]

Actually, the reason it shows that it only was oscillating near the Kazakh shore is because Russia is gamming the gps in its airspace meaning that its extremely hard to know location of the planes in Russia. Therefore we only know that is oscillating when it was near the Kazakh shore because it left Russian airspace.

[@Casualphilosopher-db9gy]

A local team of energy workers who were nearby and were eyewitnesses to the plane crush, rushed to the scene and helped people to evacuate. They were the first responders, although the official emergency rescue came pretty quickly, too. So thanks to those people, too. A lot of people say that pilots managed to avoid plane landing in the water and dragged the plane to the ground, thus saving at least some people on board. Eyewitness say that the plane nearly crashed into nearby apartment buildings but the pilots managed to avoid crashing into the apartment building and landed it on the ground. Unfortunately, pilots have died. But without their efforts, most likely no one would have survived. So special thanks should go to the pilots for their skills.

[@lashachakhunashvili1399]

1. Visible shrapnel holes on the plane 2. Survivors remembering the sounds of explosion coming from the outside 3. Visible damage on the plane's structure and blood on the floor seen on the footage taken by the passengers before crashing 4. Russian air defense systems trying to shoot down Ukrainian drones above Grozny about the same time Oh yeah, it was just birds 🦜🕊🦅

[@nvmtt]

Its almost as if a bird hitting the plane engine would make it explode 🙄 Do people not think before they write anymore? Evidently not.

[@nlwilson4892]

@@nvmtt Birds getting sucked in by the engine can make it "explode" but in the rare event bit of engine break out of the casing, the holes are far less regular and near the engines, not in the tail.

[@nvmtt]

@@nlwilson4892 I did not notice any regularity in the holes in the video. maybe I am missing something. can you please give me a timestamp?

[@nlwilson4892]

@@nvmtt There's other videos.

[@eudaenomic]

Somehow Russia will blame Ukraine for this. According to preliminary investigators, there were holes in the tail end indicating it was shot at between Grozny and where it landed.

[@Tod_oMal]

I think it was Trump.

[@MWENDA-vv5im]

@@eudaenomic The plane was owned by Azerbaijan Airlines, an Azerbaijani airline. The only Russian thing about that flight was 16 Russian passengers of which 10, I believe, have survived. This accident is a 'tragedy' mostly only for Azerbaijan. Earlier today Putin even offered his and Russia's condolences to Azerbaijan's President.

[@alexander_d1277]

@@MWENDA-vv5im how about another "russian thing": the plane was flying from Baku to Russian city of Grozni, and survivors claim that there was an explosion outside.

[@nenadmitrovic3469]

Like west blame russia for bombing their own pipe line nord stream 2? Like they blame Russia fkr shelling nuclear power plant russia is controlling for almost 3 years? Like they blame Russia for blowing up dam that flood all russian defensive positions and cut Russian held Crimea from fresh water supply?

[@eudaenomic]

​​@@MWENDA-vv5imOh so Putin admitted Russian SU 25's shot at the aircraft. My understanding is if Putin offered condolences, it is usually out of guilt.

[@Yarik263]

It was shoot down by Russian air defense in Chechnya. At the exact same time it was an air attack by Ukrainian drones on Chechnya

[@nenadmitrovic3469]

Ukraine would not attack on christmas after all that crying aboit it

[@Casualphilosopher-db9gy]

The perfectly round holes look sus. If they were holes from debris from the plane, the holes would have been uneven. But all of them are round, like large bullet holes essentially. Russian also initially reported that the plane was denied landing due to drone strike, however later on they retracted that statement and said that the drone strikes ended before the plane was supposed to land and that the entry was denied due to bad weather. Pretty sus coincidence. Russia never denied that there were drone strikes in Chechnya close to the anticipated time of the plane landing btw. It all seems like a suspicious coincidence: drone strikes in Chechnya around the time of the plane arrival, but they manage to miraculously end right before the plan was supposedly to arrive, but also bad weather happened and then on the way to Aktau the plane also bumps into a flock of birds. Too many coincidences. So yeah, most likely Russia did it. Again. Another plane with civilians.

[@nenadmitrovic3469]

@Casualphilosopher-db9gy its too far away

[@Yarik263]

@@nenadmitrovic3469 it’s already happened at least twice before

[@antonkristiansen673]

No way it is a bird strike

[@eudaenomic]

Unless birds have guns.

[@Ziffel22]

I wonder which Putin enemy was on that airplane?

[@neomonk5668]

🤔

[@EmmanuelSecong-hm6nr]

Condolence to the victim who died.

[@jordillach3222]

This is old news, what we now know is that this aircraft was shot down by a Russian missile.

[@jjstevenz]

You can hear at least one engine running before impact

[@RobbieHatley]

Both engines were fine, but all hydraulics were destroyed by shrapnel from a Russian missile, so they had *_only_* the engines to control the plane with. That's why all the weird attitudes just before crashing. Like Denny Fitch with United Airlines 232, they were only partially successful: some lived, some died.

[@janinsweden8559]

There are lots of videos on Instagram taken by passengers while airborne where you see damages on the left wing. Other videos show details of the tail area with penetrating holes that have burn marks.

[@ekno2506]

Condolences to the families of those who lost their lives. 😞

[@LunaticTheCat]

Given the video evidence of what appears to be shrapnel damage to both structures on the wing and the vertical stabilizer combined with the geographic region in which the crash took place, it appears that this plane was shot down by what was either a surface-to-air or air-to-air missile, most likely from Russia.

[@jasonmarks1636]

"birds have been known to fly in the region"... brilliant! please expand.. birds fly in the air as you suggest?

[@brb__bathroom]

bro, birds aren't real

[@cleuzafreire8490]

Explosive bird shaped like a missile

[@Ett-zm9zp]

Prayers to all 😢

[@AviationHandling]

Rather than speculation, I'd wait for preliminary report. Condolences with families who perished 😢

[@alexander_d1277]

Content of the report depends on what exactly Putin will give to Aliyev and Tokayev to keep them silent. All the while, videos of tail upclose are all over youtube.

[@pokecraft095]

Malaysian Airlines MH17 incident is happening again!!

[@JassonO-x4z]

Condolence to the families for the tragic accident!

[@propagandaaccount]

Bird strike? You’re a long way from La La Land homie

[@fusel]

Russia again…

[@nursuluplatt4229]

Deep condolonces to Azerbaijan and others affected. And quick recovery to survivors

[@user-zp8sp4hj3d]

How silly will DW look if the plane was downed by Russia, but your broadcasts (once again) spread the Russian narrative that it was a crash.

[@Casualphilosopher-db9gy]

I noticed that DW is becoming increasingly pro-Russian for some time now. I don’t know why

[@emma_rose_1810]

Blessed be the ones that walked away from that & blessings to the ones who didn't make it ❤

[@aramebandari2259]

Condolences from Armenia

[@spxram4793]

quite a strange diversion, looking at the map ...

[@treverblanco]

Russia denied the aircraft emergency landing clearance.

[@billsimpson604]

The shrapnel cut a hydraulic line and the fluid slowly leaked out.

[@debbiebland5273]

I pray for the survivors and the family of all of them. God bless.

[@Marktec]

The flight profile minutes up to the crash indicate it was likely not a bird strike. Not saying it wasn't, but the plane/pilots weren't behaving like it was engine failure. It'll be interesting to see what the telemetry says but the erratic rapid climbing and descending indicate there may have been a critical flight surface control failure. For example, the elevators on the tail may have failed.

[@markmd9]

The plane was shot down! There are videos of the tail full of shrapnels. And the only one who is shooting rockets in Caspian sea is Russia.

[@Marktec]

@@markmd9 Edit: The initial images I saw did not show any shrapnel damage but now it looks like there was quite a bit on the blue painted part of the tail. If the Russian Air Defence system did shoot it down as reported, that's a huge problem and it's unacceptable. :(

[@markmd9]

@@Marktec I have looked! There is no doubt it was shot down. Later official investigation will confirm that. Your effort to spread misinformation are in vain, Ivan.

[@nlwilson4892]

@@Marktec There's other videos that clearly show the shrapnel damage on the tail.

[@SirenSiren.official]

Tragically, they were likely anticipating a joyous Christmas reunion with their loved ones. However, this terrible accident has robbed them of that and more 😢😢😢😢

[@eudaenomic]

Assuming they hadn't already celebrated Ramadan.

[@Jordan51203]

Tell me you know nothing about Azerbaijan and Chechnya (more forgivable) without telling me

[@spxram4793]

considering the route, half of the passengers should be russian, turkish, iranian operators with not so good intent. Condolences to the rest.

[@realnapster1522]

It was shot down by air defense missile.

[@cyclomb]

@@eudaenomic ??

[@checkeredflagfilms]

Shrapnel from Russian missile severed the hydraulic control of the plane. Pilots performed a miracle (people survived) and somehow control the plane and divert to a safer area for a crash landing.

[@igowhereiplease6915]

Prayers for the families of the fallen and for the healing of the survivors.

[@kyriakoskitsios]

Embraer 190 has better safety record from Airbus 320.

[@Fast93Civic]

Anytime a plane goes down they always get an analyst who has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. Bird strike?? What kind of a bird would take out interior hydraulics of an aircraft to the point where it can no longer be controlled. Pretty easy to tell in this scenario. Same thing happened to a dc10 in the 80s in the United States. Exact characteristics of the after affects.

[@RobbieHatley]

No, the diversion was not due to a bird strike, it was due to fog in Grozny. 🙄 Please get your facts straight. No one is going to tell an airliner with both engines out, "Fly over an ocean then divert to an airport 300km away!"; that would be suicide. Yes, the pilots declared an emergency due to a bird strike, but it had nothing to do with the diversion. The diversion to Aktau was a half-hour earlier due to the fog in Grozny. The bird strike would have been at the very end, while approaching Aktau. If the bird strike happened during final approach (which seems to be the case), and if it disabled both engines (which seems to be the case), the plane would not be able to reach the airport and would have to set down wherever it can (which seems to be the case). If the terrain is rugged or has obstructions, the plane may break-up on touchdown (which seems to be the case). So, please learn at least a *_little_* about aviation before reporting on it, else you just make yourselves sound silly. 🙄

[@SuperRede4u]

I watched a video that showed the aircraft struggling to maintain altitude, the pilot then descends to regain airspeed (to avoid stalling), then repeats at least once more, I saw low level turn as well before the contact with the ground. This completely makes sense with what you describe in your post. Thanks for the valuable information.

[@mvaldman2001]

You want to get your own facts straight, too @RobbieHatley; Birds don't cause shrapnel damage on tail surfaces causing complete hydraulic loss... This aircraft was shot at and hit by missile shrapnel. The pilots most likely assumed it was cause by a bird strike, but this was no accident...

[@SuperRede4u]

@mvaldman2001 A little bit premature to be judge and jury on this. "Trust me bro" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RationalQuestions]

lets make it short with the fact, it was Russian missile attack

[@SuperRede4u]

@@RobbieHatley Just further thoughts. There's a 2:36 amateur video [I saw it on "The Print"] 1. The aircraft is still had maneuverability. He descends to gain air speed. He pulled up afterwards to gain altitude when he had adequate airspeed. So the elevator was functional. 2. He did two consecutive s turns after he gained altitude. One was sharper than the other. So the rudder was functional. 3. There doesn't appear to be any damage to the tail surfaces of the aircraft while in the video. 4. The landing gear was already in the down position when the video starts. 5. Sanctions definitely hit the orc airlines hard meaning it's hard to find parts. As well it's well documented that maintenance is not something that is being done on a regular basis within Orcville. Planes, trains, ships, it doesn't matter they are all running on a wing and a prayer IMO. 6. If it wasn't a bird strike it could well be the lack of maintenance caught up to this aircraft pure and simple. 7. Wilful attack. From the amateur video it just doesn't look like it. Who dunit and why? Just trying to be logical knowing what we know at this point in time.

[@Путлерхуйлох]

Русские из пво его сбили и направили к морю чтоб скрыть улики

[@Ардак-т9э]

Точно и это правда

[@quasimodo8215]

This plane was shot down, supposedly with Russian "Strela".

[@JeffEbe-te2xs]

Some video shows holes

[@cezarbagesteiro8591]

Este avião foi abatido! Não virão as imagens da cauda?????

[@imants.cekusins]

When this airplane was near Grozny, was the Grozny airport open ?

[@nlwilson4892]

That was its original destination, it was diverted due to weather.

[@spartakos536]

🇦🇿🇹🇷 I give condolences to our dear sisters/brothers. Long live Azerbaijan!!!

[@jlvandat69]

It's more than an engine failure....these twin engine planes can land or even climb on one engine. ...last few moments shows an obvious control problem with pitch leading to a stall and then banked into the ground. My guess is a stabilizer or pitch trim problem.

[@VictoryAviation]

Have you seen the shrapnel peppered all through the empennage?

[@jlvandat69]

@@VictoryAviation I could see some damage, but it looks like post-impact debri damage. Hard to tell.

[@salamov963]

Looks like plane has been hit

[@realnapster1522]

It wa shot down by Ukraine.

[@nenadmitrovic3469]

Strange someone with ukraine flag didint blame russia. Could be russia, could be anyone, but we know how it goes

[@ricferr6945]

Kazakh women are beautıful

[@Thatonepersonyouheard]

May the victims rest in peace

[@enibaserste3213]

Russia....MH17

[@yesufeshetie2098]

We should take every air accident under scrutiny . Look at the resent trends , disruption in airplanes production factories, frequent air accidents and repeated strikes by air operator workers demanding massive pay increment so we should investigate what is going on in the air travel industry and what is the motives behind each events.

[@gohawks3571]

They do that already. People who saw a video of the actual crash said it was a bird strike 😔💔

[@GHOST-hd4wm]

Electromagnetic pulses caused this crash.

[@a.sendoh6434]

@@GHOST-hd4wm rogue AI

[@GHOST-hd4wm]

The plane was flying over rock layers of tectonic plate boundaries that are currently splitting apart. This tectonic plate activity generates electromagnetic pulses that disrupt the electrical systems on the plane causing it to lose control and crash. Do you understand?

[@JeffBilkins]

It was the space laser obviously

[@Jdinrbfidndifofkdndjoflfndjdk]

The hatch was open before crash

[@kbboy101]

It seems neither the DW guy nor the "expert" is aware or trying to explain why a plane would crash if such landings are standard training? And more importantly, the data from FR shows the plane dept gaining and losing altitude and instead of landing directly (it was close to the runway), it was flying in a figure 8 pattern before rapidly descending and crashing. This was not a routine bird strike. Either the bird strike took away some critical controls from the pilot or the pilots made a big mess of a controllable emergency.

[@GHOST-hd4wm]

Electromagnetic pulses originating from nearby seismic events. This is the primary reason behind the recent military and civilian aircraft incidents occurring on a global scale.

[@kbboy101]

@@GHOST-hd4wm What other aircraft incidents have occurred on a global scale? and how does an Electromagnetic pulse cause a crash? makes no sense what you're saying.

[@GHOST-hd4wm]

@@kbboy101 What do you think led to the disappearance and eventual crash of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370? Electromagnetic pulses resulting from a seismic event in the South China Sea triggered a failure in the aircraft's electrical systems. This failure literally caused the plane to ascend to dangerously high altitudes, leading to the loss of consciousness among the crew and passengers, who ultimately succumbed to suffocation. The aircraft then continued to fly autonomously for several hundred miles before ultimately descending into the ocean.

[@nathanspreitzer6738]

It was shot down by Russian air defense as it came into land as an air raid started

[@Casualphilosopher-db9gy]

Look up the up close footage of the tail of the plane. It is hard to find it in English, so maybe search in Russian. There are multiple holes in the tail of the plane, and all of them are perfectly round, like bullet holes.

[@yakumoyukari4405]

Last time I checked Azerbaijan and Kazachstan were not warzones between Ukraine and Russia

[@nlwilson4892]

The plane flew to Grozny and was then diverted. Suspicion is that it got hit by mistake after it go diverted, possibly as it was no no longer on a scheduled flight path.

[@ResolverResolver]

The cause and foundation of the problem is italy and France Paris,Rome,Napolitano,Napoli,America, Rome,Taranto,Torino,Sardegna?,,,

[@chrisfarr9494]

Yeah , when I fly , I see a lot of birds at 33,000 feet , the birds donot seem to mind the -60 degrees C temp , or the thin air they be breathing , I have also noticed that they have beaks that look alot like tungsten ball bearings , Yeah , La La land .

[@vanillaice8368]

Xavier tytelman on youtube said its the russians who shot this plane

[@milesinnz]

ha ha.. the Irish expert is looking like today's biggest fool...

[@nlwilson4892]

He is broadcasting from Ireland but he'd English.

[@nolan485]

Purple, turquoise, and tomorrow can't come fast enough. It is possible that the pilots reported a bird strike, but it was entirely something else. Let's see what Kazakhstan does next. A transparent international investigation, plane data released to an international authority (Brazil?). Interesting integrity and independence challenges in a small way that may mean a lot.

[@caessarcvzz6459]

Boeing 737 max?

[@IsraeliF35]

Probably because of Ruzzian GPS jamming efforts

[@YulanNimdiyaEkanayaka106]

Why Highlight Chechnya?

[@Jayxclusive44]

Because the plane was going to a city there

[@salamov963]

Grozny is capital of chechnya.

[@YulanNimdiyaEkanayaka106]

@salamov963 that's not the answer for the question

[@iamkishansuthar]

Astana journalists is reading and saying

[@AaronKaewprapai-qv7bc]

Made in Canada.

[@HandyMan657]

Nose down trying to land? Alrighty then

[@lukahutinski9075]

what is your opinion on tail wings shrapnel like damage? could this be from ground flings or was the plane attacked?

[@RobbieHatley]

All hydraulics were punctured by shrapnel from a missile, so they had no way to operate the control surfaces and were trying to Fitch the plane using throttles only. Like Denny Fitch, they were only partially successful (some lived, some died).

[@Poli1348]

Lowkey with this happening on christmas day makes today probably a pretty bad christmas , condolences to the diseased and a speedy recovery to the survivors.

[@tahersadeghi6773]

Like the song said: Bird Bird Bird. Don't you know the bird is a bird?

[@Albert-vk5kq]

I suspect that the aircraft wasn't Russian built.

[@NothernNate]

Wow. Tragedy for Ruxxia. This is a disturbing trend

[@MWENDA-vv5im]

How so? The plane was owned by Azerbaijan Airlines, an Azerbaijani airline.

[@NothernNate]

@@MWENDA-vv5im Shipping too is suffering badly. Very dangerous. Take look at it all. Wild! 🤔

[@MWENDA-vv5im]

@@NothernNate Ok. But please explain why this plane crash is a tragedy for Russia?!!

[@random_watcher]

​@@MWENDA-vv5immaybe because there were 16 citizens of Russia on board. 2 pilots were also russians

[@salamov963]

@@MWENDA-vv5impilots were russian too

[@parthsethia4223]

😞

[@melaniegamble8971]

😭🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@j.lietka9406]

DW ladies hello! 🥰😍🌹💕👸❤️💜🎄 😘 This is another tragic event. How old is the aircraft? A bird strike?

[@random_watcher]

The plane is 11 years old - produced in 2013.

[@j.lietka9406]

@random_watcher 11 years old... Wonder how well it was maintained. A bird going into the engine is possible

[@erlik6300]

Thank you for the wonderful Christmas and New Year gift from Russia to Azerbaijan and Ukraine. The Azerbaijani people will never forget all the atrocities that Russia has inflicted upon us in the 1820s, 1900-1930s, 1990s, and 2020-2024. During a flight over Grozny, there was an air raid alarm due to an attack by Ukrainian drones on legitimate military targets in Chechnya. The Russian side did not declare a no-fly zone. Apparently, one of the air defense missiles hit the plane-whether by mistake or not does not matter. Afterward, Russian systems disabled the aircraft's GPS navigation. There was another airport nearby in Makhachkala, but the Russians did not allow our plane to land there. They wanted the plane to crash into the Caspian Sea on its way to Aktau in an attempt to cover up the traces of their crime. However, their plan failed-thanks to the professionalism of our pilots, many lives were saved. Because the plane managed to land, we now have evidence of yet another Russian crime. Azerbaijani and Kazakh security forces who arrived at the scene leaked videos online before the Russians could arrive and cover up the evidence. A national day of mourning has been declared in Azerbaijan. Slava Ukraine 🇦🇿❤️🇺🇦

[@GHOST-hd4wm]

Electromagnetic pulses originating from a nearby seismic event caused this incident. The Earth's tectonic plates are shifting as a result of the powerful magnetic influence of a colossal celestial body that is gradually approaching the Earth from the direction of the sun.

[@RobbieHatley]

No. Everything you just wrote is wrong. This was dual engine failure due to a bird strike, after a diversion due to fog. Asteroids, plate tectonics, and EMPs had nothing to do with it. Neither did HAARP, Chemtrails, or outer-space aliens. 🙄

[@nlwilson4892]

You know nothing about plate tectonics or magnetism. You are talking complete nonsense.

[@jmhaaveuutr-tr88ml]

omg!!!! ONE SURVIVED CHILD IS FROM ...GERMANY!!! TAKE HIM quickly to Homeland, to Germany. omg!!! what was happen with parents!!!!!!!!

[@yesufeshetie2098]

We should take every air accident under scrutiny . Look at the resent trends , disruption in airplanes production factories, frequent air accidents and repeated strikes by air operator workers demanding massive pay increment so we should investigate what is going on in the air travel industry and what is the motives behind each events.

[@ragesmirk]

This was due to air defense missile