Schiit Jotunheim 2 Headphone Amp - Is it really a baby Ragnarok?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi folks, I just wanted to clarify something I said in this video. I suggested that the Jot 2 wouldn't pair well with slightly warmer headphones, but I need to clarify it so as not to put people off. I LOVE the Jot 2 with my Empyreans which are quite rich sounding and I've just tested the Sundaras with the Asgard 3 and they sound great too so they'll only sound better with the Jot 2. To clarify what I was saying, if you enjoy a warm sound then don't hold back - buy the Jot 2 and love every second of the rest of your listening life 😉. But, if you're seeking a more neutral / analytical sound, the Jot 2 plus a warmer headphone will be taking you a little way away from neutrality. It's not crazy thick like some low quality tube amps, but it's warmer than neutral.

[@audioaficionado9494]

That's tubular man 😁 Since my ears only reach 10k now, it's all good. I can always buy a Loki if I want more sizzle. Thx for the update.

[@satyamgupta562]

How would you rate THX AAA 789 with Sundara compared to Jot2 with Sundara?

[@broccolee8250]

@@satyamgupta562 I happen to own THX789 too but I cannot specifically comment on Sundara pairing. THX789 is alot more neutral bright, sounstage wise its flat with lack sense of depth, dynamically less engaging, slightly less detailed, less punchy. Imo, thx 789 is a better pairing for warm headphones instead of jot

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Satyam, I'd take the Jot 2 with the Sundaras every single time. It's more 3-dimensional, more dynamic and just a better listening experience

[@DrAg0n3250]

@@broccolee8250 It’s crazy how fast op-amps amplifiers actually got better and flooded the market after the 789 and heresy. Those 2 were my first amps but the 789 sounds like a dinosaur compared to the Magnius imo. Discrete designs are so cool to look at

[@andysullivan5089]

This is the review that sold me on the Jot 2. I recently upgraded to this from a Topping A30 Pro (which was recommended on a certain website because of its measurements, but to me it sounded flat and boring) to pair with my new Schiit Bifrost 2/64 (which I also upgraded from a Topping D30 Pro for the same reason) and for the first time in ages I actually don't feel the need to upgrade! Everything I have listened to so far sounds absolutely fantastic! Thank you for this review my man, you are a legend!

[@PassionforSound]

That's brilliant! I'm so glad I could help and I'm even more glad that you could try it out for yourself to experience the difference between good measurements and good sound.

[@HeadphoneHedonist]

Ordered mine as a 2021 gift to myself, 6 week backlog on the phono stage, but after the last couple weeks of listening, spectacular purchase. Great work on the 10ksubs brother, well deserved.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Brian and great choice of amp. Glad you're enjoying it! Good luck in the draw!

[@mrunrealizedprofits8431]

ive had the original jot for a few yrs now and have been wanting to upgrade for awhile and am now getting ready to do it. i literally just watched your original jot review 1 minute before this one popped up. lol awesome

[@mrunrealizedprofits8431]

lol nvrmnd. no dac in the review is a bummer but ultimately doesnt effect my decision. There still ISNT a digital IN on this thing! i wasnt happy with the sound of the original just like you, but the final killer for me was when i purchased a cd transport and then realized i cant even use it with the jot bc theres no digital IN. and they left it like that on the jot 2...unreal i did really like a cpl other of your vids on the chords and rme. anyway, i subbed. cheers!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Tim, yes, the Jot 2 is still not a full, all-in-one for external transports, etc. That said, the Jot 2 plus a Modius or Bifrost 2 will be a brilliant setup.

[@samuelezrag]

Congrats for the 10K! Really happy to see the channel grow.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Samuel! Good luck in the draw!

[@thehunattila1]

I just wanted to compliment you on the excellent content. Editing is top notch, and I appreciated the little details like the arrows over the B-roll when you were talking about inputs/outputs. Great work as always!

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you liked it! Thanks for letting me know. I don't always include the arrows and the like - depends on the need 🙂

[@audioaficionado9494]

10kSubs! Yay the Jot 2 review dropped👍 It was well worth the wait and I learned of its characteristics in much more detail than other reviews I've watched. Thx so much. 😎

[@PassionforSound]

So glad I could help and that it was worth the wait! 🙂🙂

[@audioaficionado9494]

Got the Sundara and balanced cable coming. Now to order my Jotunheim 2 this week. How did the gain switch affect the sound if at all? Thinking the low gain setting might buy more range on the potentiometer.

[@PassionforSound]

My testing was all in low gain 😳 You'll be fine with the Sundara though 🙂 It will sound great!

[@audioaficionado9494]

Wow! I'd better pay attention to the SPL. Clean powerful systems can blow your ears out as there isn't any distortion like occurs in cheaper components.

[@PassionforSound]

Yes, please protect your ears. The Jot 2 does encourage a little extra volume because it's SO MUCH fun!

[@fadedlogic1]

Congratulations on 10ksubs! All the time you out in to a review is readily apparent in all your videos. Glad I found your channel!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Hermit! Good luck in the draw

[@skor255]

Got the Jotunheim 2 on your recommendation, it’s significantly better than my THX 789. I’m using the LCD 4 so the schiit can certainly handle insanely power demanding headphones. You’ve got a good ear, always look forward to your reviews

[@PassionforSound]

Great news, Arturo! So glad you're enjoying it and that I can help you with my reviews 🙂🙂

[@Maver1ck911]

Significantly better? I see you posted 11 months ago, interested in Jot 2 and the Singxer

[@PassionforSound]

Both are great options, Grady, and will be a big upgrade from the 789

[@eLcHiNoChannel]

@@PassionforSound Wondering if it's worth the upgrade. I have the baby stack from Shiit (Modi+, Magni+) powering my LCD-XC. If running balanced is the way to go, I am thinking of the Jot 2 with DAC for that. I'd appreciate any advice.

[@PassionforSound]

You'll notice a nice lift in quality using the Jot 2. You could definitely start by upgrading the Magni to the Jot 2 and then change the DAC later. In the long run, the Bifrost 2 and Jotunheim 2 is some of the best value for money around

[@joshbritton3268]

Glad to see the channel growing as much as it has

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Josh!

[@JH-gd4qv]

Thanks haddy for making the review possible. I’m thinking of buying this in a few months

[@PassionforSound]

It's a great choice!

[@mala2743]

Thanks for this great and articulate review. I recently purchased the Jot 2 along with the Modius, having bumped up from the Heresy/Modi stack. My foray into balanced. The Jot 2/Modius sound great with my Arya Stealth, which at last seem to have come to life. Cheers.

[@PassionforSound]

That's great news! Glad that you took the plunge and are enjoying the results 🙂🙂

[@LennyCooke636]

Thank you very much. I had my eye on the Magnius until I saw your video on that unit explaining the balanced and single-ended outputs. I was very dissapointed because I was ready to pull the plug, even downloaded the manual. For an extra $200 the Jotunheim 2 seems to be the one, but I'm still researching.

[@PassionforSound]

The Jot 2 is a great amp. Be sure to check out the Geshelli A3 Pro too

[@snowrang3r657]

Thanks Brocco, you da man! 10kSubs! Hopefully the next 10-15k come event faster as you deserve it! Almost seems like they should have put 3 gain settings on this amp. But still for $399 it's a great buy. On Nexus and Continuity. Nexus is their tech of converting SE/BAL (or vise versa) which seems to have little/no difference compared to how they did it in some of their older amps. Continuity is how they make their class AB circuit behave more like Class A. Usually their continuity amps are decently biased into class A (500mW for Asgard3 or 10W for the Aegir speaker amp), but because of the amount of parts that go into a full balanced amp like Jot2 they had to do it slightly differently so in the Jot2 it's called "Continuity S" and has 100mW class A bias.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Snow and good luck in the draw! Thanks for the info about Nexus and Continuity. I decided to skip over it in the name of keeping the video a reasonable length. I'll pin your comment for those who want to know more.

[@audioaficionado9494]

Jason said they were going after the transconductance droop issue rather than 'class A'. Looks like it was successfully accomplished.

[@PassionforSound]

I have no idea what that one is, but maybe they fixed it based on the quality I heard from the Jot 2

[@PassionforSound]

Just a note to say that I had to unpin this @Snow Rang3r because I needed to post a slight correction to something I said in the video

[@AQUPAS]

Had a Topping A90D w/ an SML M200 dac, I just wasn't a fan of that topping sound, so I sent those back and looking to invest in the Schiit Jot 2 and Schiit Modius as a nice little stack. Should be more than enough power to drive my cans. Great in depth review as always!

[@PassionforSound]

Sounds like a great plan! Glad you liked the review!

[@TalkTimeVault]

That's exactly what I plan to get.

[@Supperconductor]

10kSubs! I was worried about the power level, glad I saw your review.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad I could help. Good luck in the draw

[@rafaelgomez1619]

Ive had one for a month. I picked it up with the multibit dac and it does a great job with the balanced outputs. The one thing that I would note is the floor noise that is present in the single output, compared to the balanced output. That said, in my honest opinion it does feel like it was meant more for the balanced output. I managed to wait for the jot 2 after eying the original for 4 years. And I am very pleased with the performance.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Rafael, thanks for sharing your experiences. I didn't notice the noise floor in SE, but I also wasn't really looking for it. What sorts of headphones do you notice it with? Good thing you waited for the Jot 2 - it's SO much better than the original!

[@AftermathXJ220]

10kSubs is a milestone I'm glad your channel reached, because it seems we like similar sound signatures. Looking forward to seeing more reviews from you.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Aftermath! Glad you find my reviews helpful. Good luck in the draw!

[@darrellross8609]

Your reviews have contributed to my purchase of 2 of my components. Best,D.

[@PassionforSound]

So glad I could help! 🙂

[@raydebnam2061]

Is the Modius a good pairing for this amp in 2023? would this still be considered high quality today. with this review being two years old?

[@PassionforSound]

The Modius is still a solid DAC for sure. There's not a great deal of real improvement in audio from one year to the next so things don't get outdated despite the constant flow of new models from some brands.

[@RathOX]

A note on the too much power aka volume, you really pair this with a DAC like the SMSL SU-9 that has an option to have its own volume output due to the power it produces

[@PassionforSound]

I agree. I did this with the TT2 and it definitely helps.

[@mmorales508]

That's exactly the DAC that I paired with the Jot 2... End game for me!

[@RathOX]

@@mmorales508 how do you like it! I was gonna grab a bifrost 2 since r2r dacs are amazing

[@mmorales508]

@@RathOX Not familiar with the Bifrost 2 but heard nothing but amazing things from it. Think for the price the SU 9 is a must. I'm very happy with it and it balances the punchy character of the Jot with it's cleanness and sound color options. But if budget allows go for the Bifrost and let us know!

[@RathOX]

@@mmorales508 yeah was debating but dsd/bluetooth no need for it. I was tempted at the filters cuz ess chips BUT since the bifrost is a R2R dac it keeps that warmth and smoothness

[@whatthefnousernames]

10kSubs ! congrats to making it to 10k, Enjoyed the video.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Adam. Thank you and good luck in the draw!

[@bromar40]

10kSubs - Man, only found you recently but it's been absolutely refreshing seeing your reviews in this space. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to seeing the growth.

[@viliamholub509]

Congratulation for 10kSubs! I have been enjoying your channel since the beginning. Thanks for all the hard work!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for coming along for the ride, Viliam! Good luck in the draw!

[@megazine]

10kSubs Thanks Melbourne for lending this out. Great review! I picked up the Schiit Modius and Magnius and love that combo-$199 each.

[@PassionforSound]

That's a great stack you've got. Good luck in the draw!

[@mpimpaophoto2075]

10kSubs is still far from what this channel deserves. Whenever I want to check out a product, you are one of the very first reviewers I check out if it is within your gear span. thanks for all your great content!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks so much! Sadly the draw is over now, but there'll be more giveaways soon. Thanks for your support!

[@mpimpaophoto2075]

@@PassionforSound One thing that really bugs me is that Schiit does not seem to have inventory to sell but they keep throwing their gear around to reviewers (not the case here, I know) to have us all craving for something we cannot just find on sale. It's so frustrating... Thank you, again.

[@PassionforSound]

Not sure how it works in all parts of the world, but it could be that it's the same single unit going to multiple people. I understand the frustration though

[@tomtran9442]

Thank you for your review. I just placed an order for the J2 🎉

[@PassionforSound]

Excellent! Enjoy!!

[@biggusd534]

Man, you're almost at 10kSubs - amazing work you've done. Keep putting out great content, you will have 20k and more sooner than you expect!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Biggus! I hope so - I looked at the accounts the other day... didn't realise how much debt the channel is in 😳😳🙂🙂

[@condor48326]

Just dropped in after an episode of Z Reviews to catch my breath. You are like polar stars and I appreciate both approaches.

[@PassionforSound]

Haha. I know exactly what you mean. Thanks condor

[@PassionforSound]

I had a bit of a giggle watching his Auris Euterpe review the other day while I'm preparing my own. I think you'll spot some differences there too 😉

[@-nepherim]

Finally a headphone amp with an actual switch for preamp. Will be picking on of these up. Great work on the review as always!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Nepherim! I agree about the switch. Enjoy your Jot 2 - it's great!

[@-nepherim]

@@PassionforSound actually another review mentioned audiogd so I took a look at their more recent offerings around the same price and they also have physical switches. So now of course I have to check those out 🤣 you have any experience with their recent hp amps and how they compare to the schitt?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Nepherim, I haven't tried an Audio-gd for years now (I've owned 2 of their products in the past). I should look at trying some...

[@-nepherim]

@@PassionforSound Just extended your journey, sorry about that! ;)

[@broccolee8250]

Topping L30 has also switch for preamp.

[@darthdurkelthewise320]

Re-visiting this review after a year or so after watching (and acquiring the Jot2) and I’d say you’re pretty spot on and this is by far the most thorough review of the Jot2 I’ve seen on KZbin. I own the Jot2 and the Soloist and as much as I love the Soloist for its refined approach to detail and wider staging, I find myself listening w/the Jot2 more just due to the more engaging old school vibe. It really wakes up headphones like Clear MG and Ananda while the Soloist tends to take the Arya to its full potential when I need extreme detail and expansive soundstage. With the Jot2, I tend to forget about the gear and just enjoy my music more. And it pairs perfectly w/the Bifrost 2. Although the Soloist is a wonderful pairing there too. Obviously I’m biased here but I don’t think you can do much better at or below $1k for power than either of these headphone amps.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for sharing your real life experiences on these two amps, DDW!

[@TheKinger111]

I'm so glad you posted this @darthdurkelthewise320. I currently own the Arya stealth magnet edition paired with the Burson soloist and also have an OG Schiit Magni from like 10 years ago. I thought I was crazy for preferring the sound from the Magni vs. the Burson for most of my listening sessions. The Burson is more detailed and does provide a wider soundstage, but there is something about the Schiit punch and low end that I just find more engaging on the Arya. After rewatching this video trying to recall what @PassionforSound had to say comparing the two I used his recommended track and definitely felt the same as far as the Soloist providing a more fleshed out cello sound vs the Magni. However, I think for the majority of music I tend to listen to the Schiit just provides the more exciting listen.

[@-Infinite92-]

I have a similar experience as well, except it was between the jot2 and the aune s9c pro. Ultimately the jot2 was just a bit more engaging overall, even though the s9c had a wider soundstage with better details retrieval. The jot2 was not that far behind overall in technicalities, and just had that extra engagement, while the s9c would eventually feel a little restrained in that area.

[@jonathansabini4039]

Really appreciate your reviews, and I would love to see you review a Schiit Lyr 3 also. Keep up the good work!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Jonathan. I've contacted Schiit about the Lyr 3, but stock levels are a challenge for them and it's important that they fill customer orders before sending out review samples

[@jawbfl]

10kSubs congratulations and good luck, fantastic review, I'm glad you described how it sounds paired with Sundara because I'm looking for an amp to drive it.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Issam. If you enjoy a punchy, slightly warm sound it's great. I'd gladly recommend that exact setup.

[@leepaulison4928]

10kSubs, amazing channel, I value your reviews more than most. Please continue to provide the very best content.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Lee, thank you so much and good luck in the draw!

[@mrvitalikish]

I'd love to see a review of the Fiio Q3 from you as I genuinely like the way you examine things, especially portable dac/amps. The Fiio Q3 is THX AAA certified so I'm curious about its actual sound quality.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Cosmos, FiiO gear has been a little tricky for me to get my hands on, but I'll see what I can arrange... What I can say is that the THX AAA tech isn't all it's cracked up to be. It measures really well and sounds very clean, but the feedback (feed-forward) process seems to flatten out the soundstage and suck some of the 'magic' out of the music, and I'm not talking about beneficial distortion because I've heard other non-THX gear that measures equally as well, but has a bit more life to it (like the Geshelli Erish). Still, I haven't heard the Q3 so it might be different - I'll see what I can do...

[@mrvitalikish]

@@PassionforSound Again, really appreciate your descriptive choice of words that can help me "visualize" how things sound. What's more is that you've saved me from a rabbit hole of paying too much attention on certifications like THX AAA and the like. Looking forward to when you've covered enough products to make a tierlist of sorts regarding audio gears.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad I could help. I often get asked about tier lists, but I'm really hesitant to go down that path because so much of it depends on what you use each piece of gear with, what your personal tastes are, etc. Still, I guess I can share it from my personal perspective... I'll see if I can come up with something in the future.

[@dap777754]

Even after two years, this review is still very interesting. Right now in April '23 I'm almost sold on the Jot 2 for my venerable HiFiMan HE-6 headphones, in my desktop system with powered Hedd monitors. Here's my questions: (1) is the HE-6 one of those warmish headphones you are cautioning people about when paired with Jot 2? (2) the Burson Soloist - enough power to cope with HE-6 power demands of 83.5 Sensitivity and 50 ohms Impedance? Thx.

[@PassionforSound]

The HE-6 isn't particularly warm IIRC so both the Jot 2 or Soloist would be great. The Soloist will have plenty of power for the HE-6 too.

[@utubie24]

Does the Jotumheim sound compressed like schiit’s older designs like the Lyr 2?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Aztek, no it's thankfully much more open and dynamic sounding. I really disliked the original Jotunheim, but they've fixed that problem this time around.

[@utubie24]

@@PassionforSound That's awesome. Thanks!

[@PassionforSound]

You're most welcome! 🙂

[@bucharoo]

Thanks for the video. Answered all my questions.

[@PassionforSound]

My pleasure! So glad I could help

[@mikegoddard7354]

love your unbiased reviews, and I hope you get your 10ksubs soon! keep it up! Edit: also you fan base for supporting these type of reviews!!!! almost forgot

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Mike! Good luck in the draw!

[@paulelliott5244]

Wow congrats on 10kSubs....you do a superb job, obviously a lot of effort

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Paul. Yes, it takes quite a bit of work so I'm glad people like it 🙂

[@nathan518]

Thank you so much for this review! I've been trying to figure out for a while now if I should get the Jot 2 or the Soloist, and your description of the differences between them has helped me understand which one best suits my preferences 🙂

[@PassionforSound]

That's great to hear, Nathan. Which did you choose?

[@nathan518]

@@PassionforSound I'm going to go for the Soloist. I really value texture, detail, and a "lifelike" presentation. Your description of the cello in The People And I really helped convey the subtle differences between the two amps. I'm sure the differences are small, but I don't mind paying more since I've found that small differences can have a larger impact the longer you own a product.

[@PassionforSound]

Definitely makes a difference in the long run. You really couldn't go wrong here, but perhaps you are going a bit more right with the Soloist 😉

[@TechnoGuy11]

I thought my Sony Z1R might not pair well with the Jot2 but that isn't true at all and they sound better than I've ever heard them before. I think my iFi Neo Dac helps balanced it out since it's a very clean and natural sounding Dac to begin with. I couldn't be happier with the Jot2 and it sounds better than amps I have that measure much better which just goes to show that measurements aren't everything.

[@PassionforSound]

So true about the measurements - they give us some insight, but rarely any definitive answers. Glad you're loving your Jot 2. It's an amazing amp

[@Jamie-666]

I nice experiment would be to get your mitts on some older dacs and amps and see how they compare to the current-day crop. Would this be a valid comparison? I've got a 10 year old Sabre Audio_Gd Compass 2 and it sounds fantastic. Also a Monolith THX Amplifier & DAC (powerful but too clinical). Give us old foosties a reason to upgrade, perhaps? Are we missing out; just how much better would a new setup be? I hazard to guess that many people wonder the same thing. All the best.

[@PassionforSound]

That's an interesting idea, but I don't know that I could get my hands on enough examples of old DACs to make it a broad enough test. What I can say is that I think the newer device designs are better because they're using dual chips to separate the left and right channels and the output stages have improved in many cases too.

[@Jamie-666]

@@PassionforSound Yeah, I thought that too about sourcing old equiptment for comparison. Thanks for the reply, such a great channel and all the best to you!

[@tysontyson1244]

10kSubs. Thank you for the nice review. I was going to buy a Jotunheim 2 but I did not know about the volume pot problem.

[@PassionforSound]

It's not a major problem. The volume pot is high quality - there's just a touch too much power for things like IEMs and super-sensitive headphones. I've rarely found an analog volume control with perfect channel balance throughout so this is very normal. I would personally still by a Jot 2 if I didn't have the Soloist 3X because it's SO MUCH fun that I'd gladly deal with the slightly limited volume range.

[@exodusvelo]

@@PassionforSound it is a major problem, just like A90 volume pot is a joke, thin, and tiny small and unreliable potentiometer. But reviewers always trying to do-little products mistakes... Stop it please, stop it. It's really annoying and pathetic to be honest.

[@exodusvelo]

@@PassionforSound it should have 3 gain levels, not 2. And stnadard, regular level, 0Db, should be the lower lever, not the medium.

[@dasninjastix]

Congrats on reaching 10kSubs! I keep wanting to pull the trigger on a schiit product just can't seem to decide. Appreciate the review, sounds like the Jot 2 has more power than I need. ✌

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Ninjastix! Good luck in the draw! It is a touch too powerful unfortunately, but a great amp for most headphones on the market unless you're a super quiet listener.

[@exodusvelo]

same here, but schitt not that that good. Waiting for that eureka amp to arrive.

[@PassionforSound]

Have you checked out the Burson Soloist?

[@lanx0003]

The issue of excessive power is legitimate for two reasons: (1) using variable digital volume output on a DAC is undesirable, and (2) maintaining a distance from significant analog volume attenuation leads to better left-right channel balance. Question though! As I look at the max. power rating of SE output, Asgard 3 almost has twice as much power as Jot 2. Could Asgard 3 potentially have the same or even bigger issues? Thank you.

[@PassionforSound]

The issue is actually about gain more than power - I might not have explained it clearly here. There's an interaction between the amount of gain provided by the amp as well as the gain curve of the volume control (i.e. how quickly it increases the volume). I find the Asgard 3 far easier to work with because the balanced output of the Jotunheim 2 delivers twice the voltage of a single ended circuit and therefore is much louder at even the lowest volumes.

[@lanx0003]

@@PassionforSound When comparing the SE (single-ended) output gain, Jot 2 actually has a lower gain of 15.6dB compared to Asgard 3's 18dB in high gain mode. Both power and gain levels seem to contradict Jot's behavior as described here. My guesstimate is that it might be related to the input impedance. Jot 2 has a much higher input impedance of 50k ohms compared to Asgard 3's 22k ohms, which could result in higher efficiency when being driven by the DAC and hence louder volume output.

[@PassionforSound]

AFAIK, the input impedance only influences the current required from the DAC, not the voltage - voltage will be consistent at 2V (SE) or 4V (balanced) from most DACs. When I was comparing the Asgard and Jot 2 experience, I was referring to the SE output of the Asgard vs the balanced output from the Jot 2.

[@lanx0003]

@@PassionforSound I did not say input imp. affects voltage. But, to compare apple to apple, if you use Jot's SE input instead, is excessive volume still an issue? Thank you.

[@PassionforSound]

The point is that voltage is the source of volume so the input impedance won't alter the output levels AFAIK. I don't own the Jot 2 (it was on loan) so I can't check for you how the SE outputs compare, but I'd be surprised if they're not basically the same between the Asgard 3 and Jot 2.

[@mtnmankeith9069]

I have a dt880 600ohm headphone that’s only single ended. Would jot 2 be an upgrade over the Asgard 3 if I only have single ended headphones?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Keith, yes it is definitely an upgrade. Not a huge step, but it's better.

[@mclement052164]

In this video you stated that discrete amps typically are more 3 dimensional in presentation than op amps. But then there's the Burson Soloist 3z. It's op amp, right? So the soloist 3x is an exception to the rule? My main HP amp now is the Topping A90 paired up with a Schiit Yggdrasil A2. My 3 best headphones are Audeze LCD-XC and LCD-4, and Sennheiser HD800S. I feel the A90 pairs well with all 3, but if there's an amplifier thats even more 3 dimensional without losing anything else, I'd like to know what some good options might be. BTW- thanks for the great reviews!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Mark, the Soloist is a bit of a trickster because Burson op-amps are actually discrete (which is why they're so big). So the Soloist is a fully discrete amp too and it's definitely what is recommend as a clear and signficant upgrade from the A90. That plus the Yggy should have you in audio heaven

[@mclement052164]

@@PassionforSound thanks! I've got a Soloist 3x ordered. Can't wait til it arrives.

[@PassionforSound]

You'll love it!

[@KristianK42]

Hello and thanks for the great video! It was one of the reasons I bought the Jot 2. I just recently bought some IEMs and I have to say that my Jot 2 unfortunately has quite a lot of hiss with them. What could be the issue? Thanks and cheers from Berlin!

[@PassionforSound]

The Jot 2 is unfortunately just not great with IEMs ☹️ because it's very powerful and has a relatively high noise floor. It's great for headphones, but sadly, IEMs are too sensitive You could get something like an iFi IEMatch to help or grab a different amp like a Magni+ - whichever works for you better

[@Double-Exposure]

Congratulation for 10kSubs! Love the channel, love the thoughtful analysis. Really loved your recent scientific USB cable testing video. Your smart approach clearly demonstrated what is one of the hardest things in hifi to prove. iMPRESSIVE

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks so much DE! Good luck in the draw - you just snuck in

[@georgemuniz9217]

Great review and comparison. I love the Jot 2 w/Multibit on my HD6xx .

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you're enjoying it. It's a brilliant amp

[@suryapratamak1690]

You are my fav reviewer. Always concise and informative. Keep up the excellent work. Thank you

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks so much, Surya!

[@suryapratamak1690]

@@PassionforSound hi Lachlan, may i get your thoughts on the soloist 3x vs the topping A90. I am looking for an ultimate resolution and transparancy HP amp. I already have a milo amp that gives me plenty of musicality and richness. I would like to buy one for critic listening now. My DAC is the bifrost 2. Thank you.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Surya, it's not even close. The Soloist 3X is miles ahead of the A90. I'm still trying to find a better amp than the Soloist (other than the Hugo TT2 internal amp) - it's that good. I'm not saying there isn't something better out there, but for the price the Soloist is VERY hard to beat.

[@suryapratamak1690]

@@PassionforSound hi lachlan, thanks for the reply. I can certainly put the a90 out of mind in this case. The soloist is within my budget. Since i am looking for the ultimate transparent amp, if i may throw in another amp that you and also others have reviewed very favourably. Which is the sparkos lab aries...how does the sparkos and soloist compare in terms of resolution, translarency and dynamics. In other words, if budget wasn't a problem and you could pick only one of the two for critical listening which would it be? And why?. I apologise for picking your thoughts on this. I would like to make this purchase with absolute certainty, that i buy the best for transparency.

[@PassionforSound]

All good, Surya. The Aries is an excellent amp and crazy with its detail retrieval and resolution, but it lacked a bit for me in soundstage and general realism when compared to the Soloist. It's like it's too clean and comes across a bit sterile whereas the Soloist produces a very musical and engaging presentation while still being outstanding for transparency and resolution.

[@audioaficionado9494]

Schiit Jotunheim 2 and HiFiMan Sundara pair up perfectly IMHO. I ran unbalanced out of my phone and laptop for a week untill the Jot 2 arrived. Running unbalanced through the Jot was better than the phone/PC, but balanced is way better. Balanced: Modius > Freya S > Jotunheim 2 > Sescom 15' 4XLR extension cable > Surf Cable > Sundara. I'm running the Jot 12 o'clock on high gain and using the Freya remote to adjust volume. Your reviews are excellent 👍

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for sharing your experiences AA!

[@cthnguyen3]

congrats on 10ksubs! Your channel give amazing reviews.

[@PassionforSound]

Thank you! I'm afraid the giveaway has already been drawn, but there'll be more soon...

[@rogerIndianKing]

10ksubs! Congrats! Love your videos and analysis.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks oddi. Good luck in the draw!

[@petermcdonough6522]

10ksubs! Great review! Love your channel and appreciate your reviews! Very thorough and accurate. I have had my Jot 2 since release and agree with your review in its entirety. Mine is paired with my Bifrost 2 and Gungnir Multibit with Unison. Sounds great from both Dacs. My new favorite review channel! Thanks!

[@peacelover2002]

10kSubs , Congrats and keep up with your good work!!!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Umesh! Good luck in the draw!

[@Samuell1124]

Would you say this is an upgrade over a THX amp like the SMSL sp200/789? Or would it be more like a side-grade? Btw congrats on 10k subs!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Samuel! I think the Jot 2 is a huge upgrade over both (particularly the SP200). The sound is so much more dynamic and 3-dimensional. The only argument I can see for the 789 vs the Jot 2 is for IEM users.

[@brendanliddell240]

Hello and thank you very much for your review. I also watched your review of the Bifrost 2 DAC and together as a stack they seem to be a formidable force - Excellent bang for buck. My current portable setup is the Chord Mojo + Shure SE846 and have been for a number of years now. I've been considering a desktop setup and after much research, I am considering the Schiit Bifrost 2 + Jotunheim 2 stack. This is for the following reasons: 1. Library is FLAC files ranging from 16-24 bit rate, 44.1-192khz sample rate - no need for DSD or MQA 2. Portability is not necessary as I want a desktop setup. The other items I was considering was the Topping A90 + D90SE or the Chord Hugo 2. From the many reviews I've watched the Topping combo seems to be clear and accurate, but too analytical and too 'straight down the line', whereas the Schiit stack seems to have all the benefits of the Toppings clarity and accuracy, but also some more liveliness for enjoyment too. The Chord Hugo 2 seems to be great also, however is considerably more expensive and not sure if I'll be encountering the realm diminishing returns past the Schiit stack. I also do not need the transportable element of the Chord Hugo 2 either. The Topping stack comes in at approx. AU$2,200, whereas the Schiit stack is approx. AU$2,100 and finally the Chord Hugo 2 is approx. AU$3,700. The music I tend to listen to is mostly 60's Jazz and Classical - live concert recordings. I also occasionally listen to rock and electronic music. The headphones I'm considering pairing with my new stack are either the Sennheiser HD 800S or the Focal Clear/ mg. All items I can demo at my local Hi-Fi store and will do so prior to purchasing, however I would like your help on narrowing down based on my above information.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Brendan, I think you're definitely on the right track with your thinking. If you enjoy the presentation of the Mojo, you'll definitely want to stick to either Chord or Schiit Multibit for the DAC at least. I think the Bifrost 2 and Jotunheim 2 are very hard to beat as a combination. The Hugo 2 is likely a bit more refined and a bit more spacious sounding to but it's also (IMO) not an ideal design for desktop use. I'd avoid the Topping stack if I were you because it will flatten the soundstage and also rob your listening of the organic and natural qualities you'll be used to from the Mojo. With headphones like the HD800S, you'll be glad of the extra note weight and organic character provided by the other two options. Not sure the exact current costs of the headphones you're considering and I haven't heard the Clear MG yet, but can I suggest checking out my review of the Arya stealth magnet version from HiFiMan? The build quality isn't quite as good as the other two on your list, but the sound is fantastic.

[@blasta444]

@@PassionforSound hello, so do you consider the bifrost2/jotunheim2 a good combinaison with the arya stealth or would you choose another stack in this price range ?

[@PassionforSound]

In that price range, I'd definitely choose the Schiit stack. It'll be brilliant!

[@rado3714]

I havemt tried it in a while but feeding my Jot 1 with a Bifrost 2, the balanced signal was definitely better (clearer, better separation, depth) than the single ended. Much less difference with the built in CAB delta sigma dac so what youre feeding it with can make a huge difference.

[@PassionforSound]

Definitely!

[@joshuafox2199]

Great review. My use case is with an HD650 and Meze Empyrean. Primarily it's the end of day relaxation kinda situation. This amp can do that well but with plenty of engagement. I fully agree that the SE vs Balanced outputs are like two flavors you get out of the same amp. My tube amp in my stereo rig can switch from Ultralinear to Triode. Similar vibe shift. It's nice to have choices and also when both choices sound great.

[@PassionforSound]

I agree about having multiple flavours - always nice to have. That's a nice setup with the HD650 and Empyreans. The Empys with the Jot 2 are so much fun!

[@xaby996]

I have hd650 with Jotunheim Multibit. Finally a DAC to power these headphones with beautiful fidelity :)

[@PassionforSound]

Nice setup, XABY!

[@shadouxg7150]

10kSubs, Congratulations its very difficult to get to that amount of subs uploading videos of hifi audio

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks you! It's taken some hard work and commitment, but luckily I enjoy the hobby and also the production side too. Good luck in the draw

[@bobsbargains]

Congrats on 10kSubs. Love the channel.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks BB! The giveaway has already been drawn, but there'll be more in the future

[@JohnBeck-bs4bc]

Revisiting this thorough review. One question regarding the concern of too much gain (12dB SE / 18dB balanced) and being relegated to the very low-end of the volume control. As a sanity check, the Jot2 has a high/low gain switch. Was this comment for the high or low gain configuration? Thanks.

[@PassionforSound]

I found it had too much gain even in low gain 🙂

[@JohnBeck-bs4bc]

@@PassionforSound A follow-on question, if I may: The high and low gain of the JOT2 and Mjolnir3 are spec'd as being identical [12dB/0dB high/low singled ended] with the Lyr+ being even a bit higher [15dB/1.4dB]. Again, excellent job on the Lyr+ and Mj3 reviews, however with comparable or higher gain than Jot2, you didn't reference excessive gain likewise being an issue in either of the Lyr+ or Mj3 reviews. Could you comment why not? Thanks!

[@PassionforSound]

@JohnBeck-bs4bc I didn't consider those amps as being suitable for IEMs so I didn't test with IEMs. The Jot 2 seemed closer to the type of amp someone might use IEMs with. 🙂

[@JohnBeck-bs4bc]

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the prompt reply. One final question to close out this thread: I'm interested in headphones, likely Focal Clear or Meze 109's. As you're well aware, these are high efficiency headphones (104dB and 112dB respectively). Would the Jot 2, Lyr+ or Mjolnir have the issue of excessive gain (in low gain mode) that you highlighted in your Jot 2 review? Do you have a preference for one of these amps with a Clear or 109 headphone? Thanks for your help.

[@PassionforSound]

@JohnBeck-bs4bc both of those should be fine because they're not as sensitive as most IEMs (and they're not inside your ear canals). If the Mjolnir 3 is an option you're considering, that's an easy choice, but otherwise, it's a tough call. I'd buy the Jot 2 for a simple plug and play solution or the Lyr+ if you want the fun of swapping some tubes now or later.

[@llr3zall151]

One thing you can do for volume is to lower it from your source, like your pc or laptop, then you would have more to play with! Honestley, it is lack of power thats harder to deal with rather than having too much!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Reza, using your computer to lower the volume actually degrades the sound quality significantly so it's better not to. There are literally only a handful of headphones on the planet that need more than 1W. Most actually need less than 500mW.

[@llr3zall151]

@@PassionforSound Are you suggesting that if you eq something using your software you are degrading the sound? Because it is a very similar process! Its like lowering the output of all the frequencies. From personal experience, I have not heard any degradation using eq myself. I know a lot of reviewers (like Andrew from headphone show or Amir from audio science review who is a very objective reviewer btw and always measures everything) who do the same and have no issues with this. It has to be done correctly with the right software though. It is very easy to introduce artifacts when using eq but the general rule is, as long as you are "taking away" and not adding anything to the sound, you should be fine. This is why having a more powerful amp with more "headroom" is advised if you are going to be using eq. I could be wrong, but that has been my experience so far. I have not seen any measurements for before and after eq though! It would be interesting to see what is going on objectively.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Reza, there may be some software programs that do this losslessly, but it does depend a lot on how it is done. For example, high quality playback software like Roon and JRiver both flag the signal as no longer bit-perfect once any in-software volume adjustment or EQ is used. Of course, some of this depends on your views on audio. I personally like to have as perfect as transparent a signal path as possible so I like to have a truly bit-perfect output from the PC and then make any adjustments via the DAC or amp assuming they able to do this losslessly too as some DACs in the past used to drop bit-depth to reduce volume. Thankfully, most of the modern DACs with preamp capabilities are able to adjust the volume losslessly. I'm not suggesting that my approach is right because the differences may be inaudible or barely audible, but it equally doesn't make Andrew or Amir right - it's just different philosophies on signal path.

[@llr3zall151]

@@PassionforSound This is why personally, I never take subjective views for granted. Like I stated previously, It would be great if someone (like Amir who has a lot of equipment sitting around!) could experiment with this and see what the actual measurements are. Thanks for your input. Cheers

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Reza, there's nothing wrong with wanting measurements (I enjoy checking out Amir's measurements on a lot of gear), but the measurements don't (can't) capture everything because there are still elements of how sound is reproduced and perceived that science doesn't have the ability to measure. Relying heavily on objective data is a bit like deciding what a wine will taste like by considering only the variety of wine, where it was grown and it's year. Of course, two Cabernet Sauvignon wines made in 2015 in the same country will have similarities, but you won't know the subtle differences until you taste both or speak to people who tasted both. In others words, both the objective and the subjective are valuable and I'd argue that the subjective is actually more valuable in defining what will or won't suit a person's taste in sound because two similarly measuring amps (for example) can still sound very different.

[@jamesbittle2138]

The Burson Soloist 3X is currently about $1100 in the US. Pairing the Jotenheim 2 with the Bifrost 2 for the same money seems like a no-brainer. That being said, I haven't heard any Burson products.

[@PassionforSound]

That Schiit stack is probably the best bang for buck combo on the planet right now I think (based on what I've tried). The Soloist 3X is definitely the better amp to my ears, but by the time you add a DAC (even the Bifrost 2 instead of the Composer) you're pushing $2,000

[@nuwanliyanage5684]

I have the sundara and it pairs extremely well with the jotunheim 2/bifrost 2 combo pairing. Are there any other specific headphones in the $500-$1000 range that would pair excellently with this combo? Looking for something that is has a bit more presence and texture in the bass and slightly thicker mids. Was thinking of the Edition XS, Ananda, LCD-2C, etc. Really looking for headphones to bring out the best in jazz, electronica and instrumental music.

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't tried the LCD-2C, but the Ananda might fit the bill. Not sure about the XS because it has a brighter top end which offsets the bass extension (which is also very flat). I'd also consider the HarmonicDyne G200 which I'll be reviewing soon and also the Sivga SV023 which is coming even sooner.

[@lenombre21]

THX AAA 789 with a Bifrost or a neutral balanced dac with the Jotunheim 2 for something like the Sennheiser HD6XX ?

[@PassionforSound]

I'd personally still go for the Bifrost 2 and the Jotunheim 2, but you could always go for something like the SMSL DO200 which won't create the depth of the Bifrost 2's soundstage, but is a great DAC.

[@lenombre21]

Thank you so much 🙃

[@lmartins2797]

Hey Lachlan. Newbie question here. The issue with power being too much for efficient headphones could be solved by listening trough rcas connection plus SE out instead of xlr's in/out ? Also, the modius dac would pair well with this amp ? Thank you.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi. The Modius would do really well and (I think) using RCAs from the Modius will result in lower input power (2V rather than 4V I think) so that should help. Good idea!

[@shreddherring]

This is interesting, because your prior review of the burson soloist had made me decide thats the one I'll save up for. But now we have a more budget friendly competitor, and I'm conflicted! You suggested that the burson was better at producing detail, texture and a 3-dimensional soundstage, but if you would be able to quantify that with at least a vague percentage, that would be really helpful

[@PassionforSound]

Sure thing. The Jot 2 is great, but it's maybe only 60% of what the Soloist can do. The Jot 2 is a fun sounding, powerful amp, but the Soloist is a flagship, top tier level amp that could easily be the last headphone amp / preamp you ever buy. I've recently uploaded my review of the Singxer SA-1 balanced headphone amp and it also outperforms the Jot 2 (and costs significantly more) but still doesn't match the Soloist's performance so be confident with your decision to buy the Soloist - it's amazing and VERY hard to beat.

[@saadi703]

@@PassionforSound I can’t find the Singxer SA-1 review on your channel. It is very interesting for me to compare Jot 2, SA-1 and Soloist.

[@PassionforSound]

Sorry, I was unclear. I have uploaded it, but not released it yet. My point was that it's coming very soon, but I didn't make that clear. It'll be released in the next 1-2 weeks

[@saadi703]

@@PassionforSound Thanks, Looking forward to it. What about Composer 3X review? Is it also coming? What Dac do you recommend with Soloist as high end DAC.

[@PassionforSound]

Composer 3X review is also uploaded and pleasing soon (Wednesday I think). It's a great DAC, but if you don't need all of its features, I'd choose either the Schiit Bifrost 2 or Chord Qutest depending on your budget.

[@matthewhilty4209]

Sounds like you described a "Marantz" American type of sound on the Jotunheim2 . Would that be accurate ?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Matt, I don't know the Marantz sound well enough to say. I can only describe it as punchy, engaging and fun. There's a tiny lack of resolution as a result, but it's worth it for the fun and excitement it brings to the music.

[@nimzerz2422]

I was thinking the same thing

[@satyamgupta562]

10kSubs! Enjoyed your review. Have been planning to buy Jotunheim 2 for few weeks and finally placed the order. However, still not decided on DAC. Any suggestion?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Satyam, I'd go for the Bifrost as it's a brilliant DAC and stacks perfectly with the Jot 2. Good luck in the draw!

[@satyamgupta562]

@@PassionforSound Thank you for taking the time to reply. Really appreciate it. I have considered Bifrost but, i guess, i am not ready to spend 700 USD yet. As a balanced DAC, would Modius do justice to Jot2? However, if you could provide some word of wisdom, i might shell the the money for once and all. I am a hobbyist and just getting serious into whole audiophile rabbit-hole :). Jot2 would be my first serious AMP. In past, i have been using Creative Sound Blaster G6 and Fiio Alpen 2. For headphones, i have Hifiman Sundara, HD6XX, HD58X, Fidelio X2HR, Audio Technica 50MX. I am planning to run both Sundara and HD6XX balanced with Jot 2 and already have the cables on the way.

[@PassionforSound]

The Modius will work beautifully with the Jot 2 as well so no problems at all starting there. You can always upgrade later if you feel the need. 🙂

[@apoorvasharma7]

Can you get hold of the Aune X7s for review?. It also has a discrete output implementation and is the only alternative available for the ifi Zen Can in India in terms of pricing. No schiit products are available and that only leaves a flood of Op-Amp style lean sounding Topping amps that all sound the same (almost)

[@PassionforSound]

I'll see what I can do 🙂

[@apoorvasharma7]

@@PassionforSound Thank you. Truly.

[@ReverendDr.Thomas]

I'm considering ordering one of these Jot 2s to pair with the Modhouse Tungsten. Got an affiliate link, Lachlan?

[@PassionforSound]

Thank you for the thought, but Schiit don't do affiliate links. Just tell them I sent you if you happen to email them so they know it's worth continuing to send me review units. 🙂

[@ReverendDr.Thomas]

@@PassionforSound, actually, I'm just about to email Schiit, and when I do, I'll ABSOLUTELY give your channel a mention, Lachlan! Incidentally, now that I've done a little more research, it seems that the Ragnarok 2 would suit the Modhouse headphones even better (and I really want a remote control option, for those tracks that unexpectantly blast my ears).

[@PassionforSound]

Thank you for the promo! The Raggy will be a great amp, I expect. Have you looked into the Mjolnir 3?

[@ReverendDr.Thomas]

@@PassionforSound, I have but I want an amplifier that can comfortably handle the Tungsten headphones, and the Mjolnir's power is but a fraction of the Ragnarok. Also, class A amps run too hot for those residing in the tropics, as do I. Also, I can use the Ragnarok to power my Bowers & Wilkins bookshelf speakers that are currently powered by an old Technics amplifier.

[@PassionforSound]

Perfect. Sounds like Raggy all the way. Enjoy!

[@stevendavis1135]

Excuse me I'm just curious. When you reviewed these amps did you plug them directly into your pc or did you use a dac? I'm about to buy the jotunhiem 2 but I only have a modi 3E as a dac until I can afford the bifrost 2. Will the modi 3E dac bottleneck my jotunhiem 2 or will it be good enough until I can afford my bifrost 2?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Steven, I was using a DAC for all tests (I can't recall which one). The Modi 3E will be fine initially, but you'll definitely hear some nice improvements (IMO) when you get the Bifrost 2

[@stevendavis1135]

@@PassionforSound can I ask you a different question. If you were upgrading a magni hersey and modi 3E to the bifrost 2 and the jotunhiem 2, which part would you upgrade first? The dac or the amp?

[@PassionforSound]

That's a tough one and it probably won't make much difference as both will be a good initial upgrade, but both will also be limited slightly by the other unit that isn't upgraded. I'd probably swap the amp first though because I think it will be the bigger initial jump

[@humanmale1085]

Hi, have you heard the focal arche? Its on sale here in Australia. I've got the clears, im wondering if the arche is good.

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't heard it. I saw the sale and was tempted too.

[@humanmale1085]

@@PassionforSound i think i will get it. For the sale price it should be worth it.

[@PassionforSound]

I imagine you'll be pretty happy with it 🙂

[@ShanulSharma]

@@PassionforSound and @Human Male, I too was very tempted by the sale as I also have the Clears. But, in the end I pulled the trigger on the Burson Soloist 3XP. I initially wanted to purchase the Jotunheim 2 but decided to go all in with the Burson (I will be using it as a reference headphone amp in my mixing studio). The Arche sale was very tempting indeed but after some detailed investigation over the weekend it turned out that Focal are actually discontinuing the product due to constant problems with it. Random shut downs, USB disconnections among other issues and any firmware apart from the original is practically unusable. Also, for me muting the pre-outs was important and the Focal didn't have that. I really do believe that the Burson Soloist is probably one of the best pairings out there for the Clears. The one thing that the Arche does is that it has the ability to vary it's output impedance which can come in handy, if that's your thing :)

[@PassionforSound]

Sounds like you made a great choice, Shanul. I think you'll be very impressed with the Soloist and variable OI is only helpful on a small number of headphones. Plus, keeping the DAC separate allows for easy upgrades of amp or DAC only whenever you want to.

[@carlosamlgo4863]

Hola !! Se puede poner el Jotunheim, encima del Dac(por el calor) ?? Y otra pregunta.Se puede poner el Jotunheim en posición vertical ? Muchas gracias a mis preguntas un poco extrañas 😅😅

[@DatFroyoDoe]

10kSubs, amazing channel and thoroughly enjoyed the video. also congratulations on the milestone! only chanced upon your channel this year but better late than never hey!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Clarence, thanks so much. Glad you found the channel! Good luck in the draw!

[@mrvitalikish]

I wonder how the Multibit module performs on this amp, does it make a good value dac/amp combo? I'm eager to know as this already sounds like a great investment on amp but it'd be even better if the Multibit module is amazing sound-wise, which would make this a good all-in-one unit.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Cosmos, by all reports (and my brief experience on the original Jotunheim), the module DACs are just ok - not great. You're definitely better off stacking this with a Modius or Bifrost if you really want to hear what it's capable of.

[@cobrabucket]

I sold my Topping A90 after buying the Jot 2. Cheers

[@MrKosq83]

Is it so much better?

[@n00buo]

I sold my Topping A90 to buy Jotunheim 2, waiting to receive it... How is it so far for you? I hope it pairs well with my Arya

[@PassionforSound]

I would definitely choose the Jot 2 over the A90 every single time

[@leoluck68]

I posted elsewhere that you won’t find a better measuring amp than the topping. But I don’t get moved by measurements, I get moved by good sound. Usually, Schiit products measure avg or poor, but they sound great

[@PassionforSound]

This is one of those cases. Not sure how it measures, but it does sound fantastic! Should be a great pairing with the Arya, José 🙂

[@aRc11-11]

Great review as always!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Alan!

[@ian-ut4cr]

I can't say for certain but I'm fairly confident the SE output sounds more tubey and as you say slower attack after warmup time compared to the balanced.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Ian, I'm always very careful using tube sounds as a descriptive term because tube amps don't all sound the same (same as solid state). The Mainline amp for example is cleaner and more neutral sounding than the Jotunheim 2 (balanced or SE) and then the Darkvoice 336SE goes the other way, further into warmth and richness. The SE output from the Jot 2 is definitely smoother than the balanced though - that's true.

[@ian-ut4cr]

@@PassionforSound I trust your experience and use of descriptive terms more than my own! Its not easy to describe what we hear accurately and it all becomes subjective, a case of semantics and relative to what we've heard previously.

[@PassionforSound]

Absolutely and I hope I didn't come across like I was correcting you because I understood what you were saying. I just didn't want to perpetuate the misconception about tubes. 🙂

[@michaeleller7514]

Found your channel based on your review of the School Bigots. Thanks for the interesting and informative content. 10kSubs!

[@PassionforSound]

The School of Bigots? What am I missing? Glad you like the content and good luck in the draw!

[@adrianmorrish8494]

Wonder how topping d30 pro would sound as the dac to this, it has a good preamp capability and also may pull back the warmth?

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't heard the D30 Pro so can't comment - sorry

[@Druezy]

10ksubs. Going to order a Jot 2 and a Modius stack in the near future! Great review!

[@PassionforSound]

Awesome! Enjoy your new stack and good luck in the draw

[@lucaswegener2010]

10kSubs. This is the review I’ve been waiting for since the Jotunheim 2 was released! Great vid, keep the top notch content coming. Maybe do the new Burson Playmate 2?

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Lucas and good luck in the draw! I haven't looked into the Playmate, but have the Composer here now and Funk planned for review later. No reason I can't chat to Burson about the Playmate...

[@lucaswegener2010]

@@PassionforSound thank you! the Funk is an interesting product, I’m keen to see your review and hear thoughts on it.

[@PassionforSound]

No problems. I'm looking forward to it too.

[@Vikram1991]

Great review! I was looking into this for my Sennheiser 58x but then am a bit hesitant after your comment of them being paired together. I was wondering if you were able to test out if that combination is a bit too much as you thought or heard about it from others? If so, do you have any other recommendations for an amp for the 58x - preferably balanced (with pre-amp) if I were to upgrade my headphones later on. Thanks in advance

[@PassionforSound]

I didn't get to try them together, but I'd personally be carefully l careful about buying an amp to suit those headphones specifically because of you do upgrade later, it might not suit what you move to. The HD58X have a fairly unique sound. My comments about the Jot 2 and HD58X were based on the fact that I'm personally not a fan of the 58X, but if you like them, the Jot 2 should be fine and is a great amp. Two other options to consider are the Geshelli Labs E2 (cheaper, but also balanced) and the Singxer SA-1 which has two output impedance modes and may slightly enhance the 58X sound

[@Vikram1991]

@@PassionforSound Thank you so much for your quick reply and for the great advice! will look into these options and watch your reviews for the mentioned. I just watched your SMSL HO200 and Topping A90 reviews as well. Considering those now as well.

[@krmatiu]

10ksubs wow! Great review, just need a source that you can select the voltage out like the Chord Qutest with regards to the volume issue.

[@PassionforSound]

Exactly! I could pull things back a bit with the TT2, but not so much with the Schiit Bifrost 2. Glad you liked the review and good luck in the draw!

[@tibormichalcik9381]

Hello. I'd like to ask, I have Burson Playmate Everest config, is this any better? Or just different? And when feeding the amp with xlr, does it output to rca please? Thank you!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Tibor, I can't compare to the Playmate because I haven't heard it - sorry! I do think the Jot 2 might outperform it based on my experience with the Fun though. Both outputs from the Jot 2 work with either input.

[@normanhead2296]

Have the Jotunheim 1 going tomorrow to a friends to compare it to his he bought his after watching this review of yours well-done. 10kSubs

[@PassionforSound]

I hope you're as impressed as I was!

[@alvarojaramoreno2740]

Just discovered this channel and subbed. Great content!

[@PassionforSound]

So glad you like it!

[@davidalvarez2765]

Would using the dragonfly red as the dac for the jotunheim be a poor choice?

[@PassionforSound]

It will work fine, but a desktop DAC (even a cheaper one like the Topping E30) will provide better sound. With the dongle DACs, you're trading some performance for size when compared to an equivalently priced desktop unit.

[@MrRosscoz]

Just wondering if you’ve done a review of the Ragnarok 2? Considering it as a head phone amp and a speaker amp to my two front speakers through an amp selector to complement my Yammy surround sound Av receiver when I just want stereo. On another note, I wish I knew why we get rorted for US made gear. Hifiman Aryas.. $1600 US, often for sale for $1799AUD Schiit Rag2 integrated $1650US, $3500 AUD Makes you wonder who is getting that load of cash!

[@PassionforSound]

I've not yet tried a Raggy. I believe the Rag 2 is more speaker amp and less headphone amp so I've never bothered to try and get one. As for getting rorted, I believe some of that might be a result of the distributor knowing they have a local monopoly (unless people order direct from Schiit). There is also the issue of import duties, etc. My Folkvangr cost $300+ to get through customs!

[@ian-ut4cr]

Could also use ifi IEMatch to give more freedom on the volume pot?

[@exodusvelo]

good idea, but still, use that for an over ear headphone of 400$ plus shipping plus custom duties, a bit quite pathetic really, no?

[@PassionforSound]

Yeah, a bit of a shame to do that. The volume range isn't a deal breaker unless you're trying to use IEMs so I wouldn't probably go that way (and would choose a different amp entirely for IEMs). The IEMatch also isn't balanced (I believe) so you might as well go for a single-ended amp if you're not using the balanced output.

[@ian-ut4cr]

So I use my shuoer ej07 with the jot and thats the only instance I use the IEMatch dongle out of the SE output, it lowers a mild hiss that I can definitely appreciate even on low gain. I would agree though, there are probably better amps for iems, so i do tend to use my ifi idsd signature for that purpose. I actually feed the Jot with the RCA out from the ifi signature too - to my ears it sounds like a nice combo! :) Thanks for the review btw!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for sharing that, Ian - makes complete sense. I can't remember which IEMs I tried with the Jot, but I quickly stopped testing because of the limited volume range. It makes sense to use a more suitable device for IEMs like you are.

[@miker718]

Last August of 2020 I bought a bifrost 2 and jotunheim (1 or original) before the jotunheim 2 came out. I have Dan Clark audio aeon 2 closed backed headphones using a balanced XLR cable, and elac powered speakers using balanced XLR cables. Is it worth upgrading to the jotunheim 2?

[@joshuafox2199]

I have had both. I currently have the Jot2. It, to me, is vastly superior. I sold the original one a year ago. I've had this one for about a month and it is great. It scales really well, too.

[@PassionforSound]

I agree with Joshua, Mike. The Jot 1 will be holding back your current setup and the Jot 2 will be a wonderful upgrade.

[@voodoojester8069]

jot 2 or lyr+ please help me choose i will upgrade from my asgard 3 i only use single end though

[@PassionforSound]

If you're only using single ended, that's easy. Lyr+ all the way and enjoy the different sounds it offers by going tube-less or rolling different tubes.

[@dokterbc]

10kSubs congratulation on thuis milestone and another excellent review

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks dokterbc! Good luck in the draw!

[@steven2640]

My only problem with this amp is that the headphones have to be unplugged even when switching to preamp. Topping A90 and the Element 2 solved this problem but for some reason Schiit won't.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Steven, the pre-amp switch should be disabling the amp circuit. Why do you say you need to unplug your headphones?

[@steven2640]

@@PassionforSound Hi. From what I've seen the preamp switch can be turned on and off so I can control whether or not I am hearing sound from my connected powered monitors. The problem is that the headphone jack including the XLR are always active so whether the preamp is on or off if a headphone is connected it will be play sound. I unplug the headphones because I could easily turn the volume up too high for the headphone while listening to the powered monitors. Thank you for your reply and great reviews!

[@PassionforSound]

I don't have the amp here anymore because it was on loan, but I am pretty sure the pre-amp switch toggled the HP output off. If yours isn't doing this you might want to ask on some forums to check if that's normal because i don't think it is (but can't directly test for you). Glad you liked the content!

[@OnTheInternetThisWeek]

@Passion for Sound I heard in the review that you tried the Focal Clears. I am currently looking for a desktop dac/amp that pairs well with it. Are there any suggestions as to which dac/amp I should take a look at, or is the Jotunheim 2 good enough? Ideally it is in the similar price range of the Jotuneim.

[@PassionforSound]

Clears scale really well so you can take them all the way to endgame gear, but I'd personally be very happy with them plus a Jot 2. I'd probably only go for something like the Soloist 3X as the next step up and that's a big price increase

[@lvcid_]

I can't choose between a Jotunheim/Bifrost & Topping A90/Bifrost stack. Which of the two stacks do you think will give me a more engaging but not overly warm or neutral sound?

[@PassionforSound]

Bifrost/Jot would be my choice. It's not quite as neutral, but SO much more engaging! A90 and Bifrost will still be good, but less fun and not necessarily giving any major benefits inrl return other than being a more neutral sound.

[@lvcid_]

@@PassionforSound That really helped thanks!

[@PassionforSound]

No problems 🙂