PASSIVE vs ZEN | PenGame Rap Battle 2025

[@revertakh1235]

"Wanna beat zen? You're gonna need skengs, not logic and reason." That bar flew over people's heads big time, not surprising you'll not get it unless you're familar with music production

[@TheOriginalWilson]

One of the hardest barz

[@lucasvasiliou9227]

You can't assume that. I heard it, it's been done, decent bar though

[@Hman1992]

@revertakh1235 too many punchlines from zen and not enough from passive

[@djentisnotagenre]

"Might do bits when you master the mix but you ain't gonna win it with mix with the master." The loop round thing. Zen was shellllllllling.

[@revertakh1235]

So many bars and multis that were missed its mad​@@djentisnotagenre

[@njceeo]

that gramz bar from passive was way to unexpected 🔥🔥

[@chrissrutt]

True though!

[@bigrich4116]

Gramz and passive need to clash

[@lemzy9111]

Disrespectful but true

[@MDwhipzOnTwitch]

@@bigrich4116gramz would get smoked not even worth it. Gramz would smoke himself by just choking anyway 😂😂

[@jackday6693]

Rr

[@T9theArtist]

Passive set so many levels in one battle that people reuse his bars😂

[@MistFacto77]

Every battle is becoming a passive flow copy n paste even when hes not involved 🤣

[@PeaceMatters5]

Trust swear if we hear that "you can rap white..." line remixed one more time. Dead it now😅😂😂

[@DesiChildEk4mPk]

U looking at Kandy 😂

[@UKAndrewL]

This is true uno

[@garysewell1358]

I like passive he has raise the bar

[@ChrisDale-t2l]

Prof green gets it. Zens rounds are sculpted and purpose-built for war, theres so many punchlines a lot of them dont even get acknowledged where other mcs get reloads for way less. Passive is sick and will bounce back but zen took 2 and 3 comfortably, they would be 10-8 rounds in MMA, there’s levels to this. Need to see dialect and zen vs drizz and trappy in 2025.🔥🔥🔥

[@tomsevers2754]

Spot on

[@autisticwhizzkid5384]

You know your stuff I’m sitting here going through the comments and people are breading the hell out of passive he’s cold but honestly the way zen did his ting passive had no chance

[@husainr8877]

@@ChrisDale-t2l Definitely Dialect and Zen Vs Trappy and Drizz would be cold af

[@tshelby9808]

If he fixes up his clarity and breathing he’s clear

[@Gary-w2x5v]

Bro I been watching battles for years and the fact you passive fans are trying to justify a battle he clearly lost is embarrassing, you can give him the 1st round cause of zens breathing mishap but if he got his bars out proper he wouldve won that too. Regardless those last 2 rounds were a slaughter. Fact is Zen won and you lot glazing passive isn't going to change anything

[@scriptzmusic4275]

2 - 1 to Zen , the flows were definitely flowing in this one 🔥

[@maxpodstolski2626]

No chance😂

[@scriptzmusic4275]

@ no chance of zen winning or no chance of the flows flowing 😂

[@Slinger_CEO]

passive flow got reused so many times my mans just tired of it 😂😂😂😂

[@amasworld7126]

It’s a refix ffs

[@Asddfgff]

Drizz zen trappy storm

[@officialmichaelvelli]

Y'all can margz actually rap or battle? I saw a comment about that one time but no single vids out there about this ​@MANUTDGANGBANG

[@cookygb]

@Asddfgffstorm? I don’t watch his battles too much which one is it

[@mikedelano8279]

@@cookygb kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIqxmHx9n69-p8ksi=vIp2VY9AKfarmzdS 6:25

[@Cnr530]

When passive starts doing that mad step that zen does at the exact same time as him 😂😂😂

[@McShane1996]

@@Cnr530 Passivs is definitely getting bare confident with it 😂

[@08MB]

Judges telling Zen to look as his opponent is killing meeeee😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Xerus35]

I liked him but he is such a goof 🤣🤣🤣

[@georgejean8376]

He’s actually supposed to look at his opponent

[@janicechung6932]

You'd think that wad a given...

[@MrJoshpeppz]

very entertaining regardless

[@kieranbennett9268]

Zen’s adrenaline got the better of him round one but he came back strong in round 2 and 3!! Zen 2-1 🔥

[@liveagoodhappylife]

Seems like he has a chest infection or something

[@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol]

@liveagoodhappylifehe did bro I seen a comment by zen saying that on a KZbin video

[@caitlandmoon4580]

@@kieranbennett9268course you were

[@SpyroTek]

@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol Yeah I saw Zen say that and it makes sense because he's had a decade of battles and hasn't happened to him before.

[@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol]

@ there’s always a first for everything bro if he wasn’t trying to hype himself too much it might not have happened we will never know

[@itzkamo_1091]

OIIII NAH NAH NAH THESE COMMENTS NEED TO PISS OFF EVERYONE SAYING PASSIVE WON IS HIGH 😂😂😂😂 BRO ZEN 2ND AND 3RD IS FUCKING INSANE 😂😂😂😂 NEW GIRL LOOKING LIKE HAALAND AGAIN 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ItzTerribleT]

Bro word wth I don’t get these man loving off passive, he’s not special

[@itzkamo_1091]

@ I wouldn’t slander Passive, I like him but he def lost CLEARLY this battle and it’s annoying when you see all the comments just giving it to Passive… like very annoying lol why can’t we just call it what it is?

[@djentisnotagenre]

Passive is strong, but there are a bunch of stans in here for him.

[@cjplay813]

​@itzkamo_1091 Passive's performance was way better than zen's man couldn't breath😂😂

[@wally9514]

Ay fr I was reading these comments like did y’all watch the same clash? 😂

[@passivetherapper1702]

My Beat selection should’ve been different, learning a lot from this Passive 2025 FTW 🔥💯

[@cjplay813]

At least you didn't lose breath while spitting😂

[@Jimboy--gs2yl]

Beats won’t save you bro zen brings too much energy and is a veteran your a new boy so sit down

[@NoahDxni]

@@Jimboy--gs2yl why you on zens meat so hard?

[@RazorzRD1]

nah your actually cold, icl i thought you won but was a really close battle

[@CrushFamily]

You smashed it as always!

[@P-jm6xm]

My man said neck so long when he drink milk it will turn cheese before it reaches he stomach.... 😂😭🤣

[@fillydunit9763]

Bro😭

[@itzkamo_1091]

That was original can’t lie 😂

[@hazzaw12]

I'm crying

[@janicechung6932]

😂😂😂😂

[@CryptoNationReal]

Passive is the most underrated battle rapper on the show

[@abdelhalimaaniba312]

Him and iiiBEREALZ, people don't rate them 🥺

[@Tsharmz]

Passive is the best imo

[@franklinokeke7848]

Bruh literally everyone in the comments have been saying this. How is he underated? He is rated by everyone lol. He needs to bring a bit more aggression to his bars tho cuz this is rap battle and zen only won due to aggression

[@ngooner4328]

​@@franklinokeke7848 aggression, bars, schemes & presence

[@amasworld7126]

@@CryptoNationReal most overrated

[@robertshaw3619]

Zen calling Passive "one flow dumbo" after barely 3 single battles on pengame is criminal, especially after his history on dont flop. Hearing him today his flow hasn't changed one bit, after how many battles???

[@revertakh1235]

It's because he rinses the "P A DOUBLE S I V E" bar

[@robertshaw3619]

@revertakh1235 It's kinda his calling card... He's meant to rinse it.

[@michaelmccarthy2369]

Zen was better in round 2 and 3. It's a fact but passive won 1st round.

[@600-u9c]

All passive talks about is calling mans pedos Done it to zen , drizz and trappy

[@jackthompson1269]

I think you need to rematch the battle and listen harder, zen hit about 7 different flows

[@ProdKamoReef]

27:42 Logic and Reason are both different softwares that producers use to make beats that’s such a bar 🔥

[@husainr8877]

That bar went over so many peoples heads 🔥

[@lecaprisun9868]

😮😮🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙏🏾

[@MrF.B.I]

Passive deserved more reloads than what he got. Not saying he won the battle but considering how well he did agaisnt a vet should be applauded. He went head to head and actually held his own. Even the judges had more criticism for zen than passive

[@jungle-Bunny777]

So did zen though

[@MxrkJJ]

Tbf when judging a performance and it being nearly equal when one is starting out and the other is a established battle rapper, imma give 10x more criticism to the battle rapper, they should know better.

[@Capro-B]

​@@MxrkJJlike your comment but that wasn't equal in any way. It's actually a 3-0 IMO! If you pay attention, Zen going out of breath wasn't really a problem with his MIC 🎤 control . Guy is a Vet. The guy was hyper on this clash!

[@ONLY_HUNCHO]

Love this comment i agree but zen still took it but passive done well against a vet

[@MrF.B.I]

@ONLY_HUNCHO 100% agree with you zen showed why he is a vet and even surprised me with this performance. The judges got it right and no bias from them

[@wilddon5363]

One of the best clashes I've seen on god, the prize money is too low NGL these contestants deserve way more, underground rap battles have come a long way since early 2000s OGs know.

[@hazzaw12]

You need to watch more clashes 😂

[@azsnee9637]

Bro this is a good rap battle don’t say it’s the best lmao. You got bru c vs zen , shotty horror vs arsenal there’s way more lol

[@yunamadeoj]

Zen took it but both did great

[@darrenquarterman2611]

The Sid joke is a honest description

[@definedre2038]

Zen HUGE W on that one, people keep saying re-used by Zen, Remixed by Zen. Okay and p a double s i v e isn't? Bro's getting me MOD bro's getting me VEXED isn't? Ya'll like to ride in confusion lol - Zen won this.

[@hollie2005]

least passive wrote what he re used , zen just remixed others bars

[@njceeo]

half of zens bars where used by passive in the 2v2s just like the flows he kept repeating in every round

[@AmbassadorMc]

2-1 to Passive. Deserved more reloads and held it against a veteran. If Passive missed out words and losing his breath, judges would have criticised him. But because Zen has been around for years they didn’t say shit out of respect. Biased judges. Who agrees?

[@JustTis]

I dunno, narstie coached zen a couple times about his adrenaline (breathing) and looking at his opponent.. doesn't strike me as respect for a vet.

[@AmbassadorMc]

@JustTis Big Narstie called it adrenaline out of respect because if he said "nah your breathing is off and you're missing out words" then that would have made Zen lose the round. If Passive rapped that way he would get called out for the same thing and they would have used that to say he flopped the rounds. It's all about fairness in the battle, and that kind of double standard just ain't right.

[@JustTis]

@AmbassadorMc yeah i hear u man, dont disagree tbf

[@cain6746]

​@JustTis pro green in the second round telling him to get in his face aswell

[@AmbassadorMc]

@@cain6746 exactly you got veterans coaching veterans in a battle rap against a up and coming artist. Passive didn't need any of the coaching, he did what was needed

[@JazzelleNorman]

Ngl I thought passive won mostly bc I couldn’t understand what zen was saying half the time as zen was trying to catch his breath but zen is cold if he sorts his breath timings out zen had the best beats though it was a close one

[@lukewindsor9346]

Only round one I struggled to understand Zen. I am northern though and struggle to understand f-don Dan dannah and quite a few more from south.

[@itzkamo_1091]

@@JazzelleNorman Zen only did that the first round… he got it under control the only other time he had breathing trouble was when he got 4 reloads in one round 🤣 shut up

[@soup8786]

​@lukewindsor9346 same only rd 1 was sketch rd2 was a burial

[@AlexRoseGames]

zen needs to do some cardio, actually, it will make him a better rapper

[@joelsmith3458]

Watch his other stuff. He must be ill or summet because he’s. Ever struggled for breath before

[@zelo1995]

idk what it is, but the man that face Passive are always using his battle lines against him, like its so unoriginal, ive noticed this too much whenever passives up against someone

[@Gary-w2x5v]

Yh it's normal to remix the other guys bars in a clash passive had nothing for zen

[@justmasum2996]

​@@Gary-w2x5vHe used his flow that he used in the 1st round. He just went first so it wasnt as good

[@chongychongman1527]

Can tell you’re new to battles

[@zelo1995]

@@chongychongman1527 yeah i havent discovered pen game until a bit ago, my bad if i sound like a total newbie 😭

[@KN-tq2kl]

Lool a man said "battle lines." Bruv, this is what happens in battle rap. It's called mockery. It's just showmanship and one-upmanship.

[@ebanksstudios]

Nah, Passive won that. I rate Zen highly but he reused multiple Passive bars, went off beat and started missing bars, and sounded tired.

[@djentisnotagenre]

Not when you write half a 3rd round on a dead beat with nothing deep to say.

[@wolverine85-h3g]

Agree Passives 3rd was below par and Zens 3rd was great. But 1 and 2 were passives. How did Zen win round 2 when he needed my inhaler!

[@rubickr]

@@wolverine85-h3gzen got better punchlines. Passive is better to listen to but it’s a better rap after all.

[@wolverine85-h3g]

​​@@rubickr when someone uses so much of your flows in their bars that guy hasnt won, shows how good Passive is..... "White" bars, "Spider" bars. But its just my opinion.

[@gdxhrsdggdsbbhrdvuu2282]

💯

[@revertakh1235]

"You're a producer? Ironically ya dad was a deadbeat too" mate, Zen smacked this. Lyrically zen paggered this

[@rollingc2013]

Passsive won for me. More composed, better bars, better delivery

[@markmiller9447]

Never

[@ryz8376]

​@@markmiller9447100% lmao what was you watching my man ran out of breath 15 times and fumbled bars at beginning

[@Hman1992]

It's easy to rap and not run out of breath when your flow is slow and easy

[@Pappmaultellersalat]

Definitely. I'm new to pengame and haven't heard zen before. After his first round I thought he is a newbie lol. Gasping for breath, words not pronounced clean, trying to hard. Passive sounded more professional.

[@N-PTRS]

Yeah at the beginning but he kept is going still in round 2 n 3

[@urbanxtrem]

Passive had that imo! Zen's breathing was a mockery! How did that grams bar not get reloaded!

[@djentisnotagenre]

Not when you write half a third round on a dead beat.

[@miadominique3351]

@@djentisnotagenrehuh how is that relevant

[@TrillzMMA]

grams bar not dissing zen

[@djentisnotagenre]

@@TrillzMMA facts

[@BnthenG]

no way passive took that his first round was too hard after that it got worse.

[@dg6360]

What happened in Zens first round and third when he got reloaded rare to see a battle rap veteran like him losing his breath and missing out so many bars

[@myhi892]

Init it's like he just got back from a jog or mid Zoot bun, ain't seen Zen struggling w breath control before

[@cjplay813]

I would of given it to passive just because of that

[@WatsonArmyFitness]

It's only cus he had to quickly catch the drop and didn't get chance to prep for it

[@JD-ly5eb]

rents due

[@Gary-w2x5v]

Zen won by a mile the 2nd and 3rd round wasn't even close shame on you

[@kingnub1247]

I'm really confused. Zen sounded terrible I had to skip through lines I couldn't understand. Then he got reloades and did it all over again. I don't get it at all.

[@gdxhrsdggdsbbhrdvuu2282]

Fr they gave him this win based purely on being a vet, his breathe control was all over the place

[@ducks3107]

he raps pretty quick, you likely didn't catch many bars

[@innovation8031]

Den Ur clueless ibr

[@Truthtalks123]

Then you’re on the wrong channel

[@troysills425]

He got a reload for saying passive looks like dappy. The fuck. He was awful and used half of passives bars​@@Truthtalks123

[@ADShoreMusic]

Both smashed it, I like the mix and master bar at the end. big up to the both of them!

[@craigdavid594]

It's crazy how people pretend passive is a mad technical mc just cause he has good clarity. Zens bars and flows are levels ahead

[@amasworld7126]

Exactly it’s just amateur fans

[@mikedobson1678]

Can have the best bars, means nothing if people can't understand you

[@AlexRoseGames]

​@@mikedobson1678but we can understand him fine, you just don't listen to enough grime

[@amasworld7126]

@@mikedobson1678 YOU can’t understand him. I understood every single word

[@mikedobson1678]

@@amasworld7126 I understood him alright but it was sloppy, but I can see why judges/people factor it in to their vote

[@HIQ45]

Elite battle, no surprise zen won but passive done well, we need Ren DMC vs Zen

[@12arsenal21]

Ren might not return icl

[@BMCR.z]

Ren don’t wanna do none of that

[@taysenna8025]

⁠@@12arsenal21how come

[@aodoemela]

Ren will murder Zen. Bro raps like a mouth breather🤣

[@HIQ45]

​@aodoemelazen has better bars ngl, ren just drops jokes and punches while zens are a lot more intricate and smarter bars

[@njceeo]

narstie talking to margs without his mic is sending me 🤣😭

[@zakzanotti5868]

I think passive won. I mean I couldn’t even hear what Zen was saying. I had the first two going to Passive.

[@Ocq4395]

Shit mic!! Same one Dan Dannah used

[@MrBrickBuilds-]

Passive definitely the winner for me, Zen lost me when he lost his breath and was begging for his own wheel ups. Bars, delivery, originality and all dat goes to Passive all day!

[@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol]

You clearly don’t know what your watching then zens bars were clearly going over your head

[@MrBrickBuilds-]

@ I’m catching his bars bro but there’s so much more to it, it’s a whole performance and coming with just the pen game isn’t enough for me personally 👊🏻

[@JustTis]

Passives bars hella basic imo, zens punches are way harder. Imitating devlin, mum cant cook hash brown, bonnie blue, haaland reload, bare bars man.

[@JustTis]

Logic and reason bar was fucking flames

[@Only1Sosa.]

​@@JustTis3rd round he killed it 🔥 Happy New Year Bro

[@itzkamo_1091]

All the adults know. It’s the kids who disagree lol

[@Dosssss-p1t]

say what u want bout his bars but that’s only 1 part of rapping. Zen sounds like complete dogsht and is not enjoyable to listen to atall

[@nikolasmav8842]

Is this Zen’s burner account 🤣

[@Adamsmith-yg3uk]

Teacher vs student?? Rinsing the students bars and flow PASSive is next levels!!

[@Wonderedbat]

Fr

[@ryanbarrow1321]

Zen spun him

[@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol]

Zen spun him mate

[@McShane1996]

Passive took round 1 but Zen ate him up 2 and 3

[@billinUT]

Idk why but I really don’t enjoy Zen looool I don’t think that skippy flow is all that when you’ve got Dan Dannah and Trappy in the league, and if you’re gonna do it at least master it. I will also say that this performance probably made it worse for me as Zen lost his breath control (which is normally one of his strengths). Passive did well in this one, I feel like his writing was a lot better.

[@billinUT]

Zen and Dialect used to be so cold but that’s probably cos everyone else on Don’t Flop was shit at spitting on riddims and now when you hear them on Pen Game, the rest of the roster are used to clashing on riddims and now the levels are different

[@JadenStephens-mo5ff]

Let him get used to this style of battle rapping this ain’t don’t flop days

[@oldmedstudent1750]

The judges seriously need to start taking off points for recycling other people's bars. Also 3 reloads for that second round was questionable. That battle was way closer than the Judges made it seem. Passive deserved at minimum two reloads during the second round, but they were passing out reloads to Zen like candy in that round.

[@S___________D]

He got a reload for every time he reused passive's bars in that round alone. Pathetic!

[@lemzy9111]

Remixing bars and flows is part of clashing and rap battles but I do agree about the reloads zen was kinda begging reloads

[@Kaicenatplug101]

Innit

[@TheynotLikeus-m7s]

Ngl zen had to put in work for his reloads, passive got reloads off one liners

[@Kaicenatplug101]

@TheynotLikeus-m7s zen was outta of breath rapping and just stealing bars

[@Hman1992]

Zen bodied the guy its obvious lol what u all smoking?

[@48Volts]

Nah passive killed him

[@locksb]

How fam with his breathim max

[@fpltrixi9347]

He's more experienced by far you hear that with bars, passive Is better in my opinion. He just needs better angles, stop with nonce bars its boring

[@itzkamo_1091]

@@fpltrixi9347my girls 10/10 but yours is 10…. So dead

[@JayJay-mx8ib]

Highest grade of budge

[@andylievesley8194]

One of the best I've heard in a long time! Literally put this on whilst grabbing something to eat..32 minutes later I'm still sat here and havn't moved 👀 Refreshing to see the respect these two have for each other too even after ripping each other to pieces! 💪

[@IgweVII]

Nah I’ll never forgive Gramz for messing up Passive’s round

[@TrillzMMA]

what battle and round?

[@Wonderedbat]

​@@TrillzMMA passive and grams v drizzgb and trappy

[@Wonderedbat]

Pretty sure round 2 ​@@TrillzMMA

[@Private2223f]

if grams and passive are at there best grams is winning listen to grams battles hes better

[@IgweVII]

@ 😂😂😂😂

[@danormal1707]

Zen vs dan dannah please..the stage would explode

[@Rampag394]

Why was this better than any of the finals, though?! 😅

[@Jack-d6v9j]

Felt like Zen was trying to battle me through the screen

[@janicechung6932]

😂😂😂 true

[@OG_Bouz]

Casual fans might still be hyped for Passive, but let’s face it, while his first round was better than Zen's, his performance steadily lost momentum. In contrast, Zen completely electrified the crowd with his razor-sharp grime flows, clever punchlines, and masterful double entendres. You don’t need to be a rap aficionado to see that he had the audience hanging on every word. Even after watching the battle four times, I’m still uncovering new layers in his bars, Zen’s ability to deliver with such depth and charisma proves why he’s an undisputed legend in the game and why he won. Also people saying they dont understand Zen.... Bruv, I am spanish and i catch everything that he says, how you guys are brits and can't.....

[@cazz2006]

Passive won Zen was constantly out of breath Passive would of got a reload on round 2 if not for Green writing down something 14.50 The reload neck like a lamppost bar was dead they both have roughly the same neck... I think the judges get lost listening to passives flow and don't realise he out bars Zen. No matter how good Zen's bars are Passive will always have a better flow and not sound, as he says annoying. People like listening to passive not Zen. I think on a final the judges should rewatch the battle, then give their verdict.

[@mattyy8369]

Passive has a lot more clarity, Zen is all hype, Passive took this for me

[@djentisnotagenre]

The fact Zen got a wheel from the lamppost bar when you think they have the same neck is even more of a reason why Zen is goated. Passive didn't write a full third. Get him to finish his writing and maybe it would have been less of a debate in his favour.

[@2mwad]

Zen won round 2 and 3

[@Quaidy100]

Prob the same guy gassed when passive got a reload for saying your 100% twat lol dead

[@Quaidy100]

I guess your one of the guys who also got gassed when passive was reloaded for calling zen 100% twat lol

[@dfitnessjourney707]

Passive killed it

[@Jimboy--gs2yl]

Na passive got killed

[@amasworld7126]

No he didn’t

[@WtfWhy-tl2zl]

Jimboy again? You an actual hater? lol you from north boy?

[@sagekensuke]

Man didn’t know haaland 💀

[@sb1sb9]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jordangratton455]

He knows haaland, just what is the haaland again bit all about? I do t get it either

[@VestaJ17]

@@jordangratton455 ex girl lookin like haaland, new girl lookin like haaland again, it really aint hard to get

[@basileagle314]

@@VestaJ17 I was confused because I thought there was a punchline, like rooney again. Feel like it was gassed

[@joshuajerome553]

​@@VestaJ17so his history of girlfriends look the same? I still dont get it people gassing up mid bars nowadays

[@TheMasterOv]

Passive won imo, how zen got so many reloads idk, reused so many people flows/bars then gassed himself out each round 😂

[@48Volts]

1000% passive won

[@northside2southside12]

Last girl lookin like erling haaland, next one looking like Haaland again 😂

[@joshuajerome553]

I didn't get it 😅

[@northside2southside12]

@ search Haaland on google San. Man Shitty

[@itzkamo_1091]

@@joshuajerome553what’s not to get? His ex looks like Haaland from Manchester city and his new girl looks like Haaland as well

[@Strawman2025]

2 rough birds... come on bro

[@arichmondz]

passive won icl, zen got more reloads but passives flow and consistency won for me

[@SaberScope]

Yeah I agree, zen was fkn crazy as well and had some mad punchlines but he tried to remix a few of passives bars (just like a lot of others in Pen have tried recently) passives is just too cold with every bar, I’m surprised he didn’t get more reloads

[@Jimboy--gs2yl]

Your crazy passive got smoked

[@amasworld7126]

Cause you’re too slow to understand Zens bars.

[@chongychongman1527]

@@SaberScope passive has so many filler bars you’re very biased if you can’t see that

[@SPARKLEPANDA4LIFE]

Yeh 2-1 Passive for me it shows when Zen is having to recycle Passives bars as a lot seem to be doing at the moment plus Zen was out of breath every 3 seconds

[@SPARKLEPANDA4LIFE]

Passive won that for me Zen was struggling to breathe ffs at least Passive held it together 2-1 to Passive

[@Bean99898]

Definitely passive win was embarrassing to watching zen trying to do it and he was beggin for the reloads tbf, honestly most of zens reloads were from his energy not his bars?

[@oldmedstudent1750]

Agreed. This seemed to be a trend for the night with other battles, some people got easy reloads and other people really had to work for them. They made iiiberealz run a marathon for his reloads against Ra'siah.

[@mattyy8369]

Always is for Zen, just hype

[@carloskells4663]

You must not know who Haaland is too?

[@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol]

@@mattyy8369no it isn’t you clearly don’t know anything about zen mate

[@mattyy8369]

@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol been watching zen since day, I was there when he first started clashing. Try again

[@OC24782]

Zen cooked him but his composure was clumsy af, breathing was a mess idk if something is up with him hope he’s all good. For the simple fact that passive was able to keep composure and get his words out should count for a lot imo. Well done to both guys though very high level battle, this is the calibre of artists that should be on pen game.

[@MaxPainMSF]

TEMU WHITE FUR WAS TOOOOO GASSED 😂😂

[@kesarhunjan1885]

Crazy clash & Congrats to both - two of the best of this new era of pen game and fair play to Passive for making it a dog fight in the end

[@mrread9145]

Next 2v2 Passive and Zen should team up

[@CrushFamily]

That would be good to be fair

[@bombaclart-6]

Nahhh passive and smilez

[@FoolStomper]

@bombaclart-6I came here to say that. I think Skamz flows would work well with Passive too

[@bombaclart-6]

@@FoolStomper facts passive and smilez would be perfect tho imo

[@Ali114x]

They'd probably win that would be cold

[@LiquidTk]

Mannn passive is just a beast feeling bad for anyone that has to clash

[@LeePyke]

Passive fans still on life support.

[@DR-nh2kh]

this probably the best battle in this season tough fight

[@TS4M931]

Yo early access is actually sick

[@slushyyffa9240]

Neck like a lamp post don’t mean he gonna light up a street is hard af

[@Ryan-J]

Zen well out of breath where your breath control fam you a vet on this ting man think he was nervous or something

[@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol]

He was ill bro so it was hard for him to breathe

[@jman1574]

Passive was levels n flows above without begging it like this zen guy

[@Wonderedbat]

Zen re-used his bars as well😂

[@harrisongreenhalgh9915]

@@Wonderedbat remixing bars has been a thing for ever, its obvious you are new fans to clashes having no clue what your on about calling him this "zen guy"

[@Constricta]

@harrisongreenhalgh9915 trust “this Zen guy” killed me off 🤣

[@deni_d225]

@harrisongreenhalgh9915ok but begging it is crazy

[@mindsight1]

Zen won every round. Even in the 1st round his writing was just significantly better, despite the performance issue.

[@KrumblePoe]

Stop the cap

[@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol]

@@KrumblePoeit’s not cap bro I agree with him but I’d give the first to passive because of the breathing

[@deni_d225]

Zen reused passives bars and flows

[@ReignRuri]

Finally thank you so much pengame been waiting for SO long💓

[@MarkTulloch]

Been waiting on PASSIVE. His bars are so much cleaner than Zen. Zens pretty dope but go for a run kent.

[@Mcfc2Rich]

I remember when Zen first joined don't flop....gotta be 2013. Great to see him still on top

[@JG12394-s]

Fully convinced ardee doesn’t have a clue that’s going on half the time. He just hears crowd reaction and joins in.

[@peteyparker4919]

Zen says father vs son, then forgets to breathe, has to be told which way to face, begs the reload cause he can't hear himself... 2-1 to Passive, he got scammed 🙃

[@louisdeans5372]

Zen remixed more passive bars than the number of bars he’s had his whole time on pen game

[@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol]

Not at all what you smoking

[@louisdeans5372]

@ watch passives first battle against Hunce and watch this one, he did it at least 3-4 times

[@vapex9860]

Zen is clear of everyone in North

[@teds2555]

Passive won that for sure

[@myhi892]

Agree

[@arichmondz]

100% agreed

[@Jimboy--gs2yl]

Yh he won the loser award he got smoked

[@amasworld7126]

You guys too slow to understand zen bars

[@Wonderedbat]

Yh and Zen re-used passive's bars

[@dannydbrown90]

20:46 that's one of the deadest reloads in pen games history

[@typeshi777]

agreed, terrible bar

[@sheldonmurchison-tx6ol]

Oh yeah and 100% twat is a suck reload ain’t it mate 💀💀

[@kingjay649]

Zens round 3 was actually nuts , i need that beat Passive not kowing erling haaland and asking numerous times wqs hilarious

[@MC.32517]

Passive should’ve won round 2, I liked the creative insults on such a beat, constantly had different insults with such cheeky but great delivery and constantly spitting with barely any stops is just an insane flow. Zen has great energy and flow but copied a good few of the flow and bars, besides family s*x insults, he didn’t have much other good insults. Even when talking about chinning him was countered just before with carrying grams bar. Shut down most of Zens next bars of insults as if he predicted it. I did like the CCTV and lamppost insults but Passive won that. Passive might keep those same flows that get him reloads and remixed but at least he has new bars and insults with them. I feel like in round 3, passive if he’d mention reused subjects, his flow, remix his bars due to lack of self creativity in a freestyle and alongside those very cheeky and funny insults would’ve given him the 3rd round. Using an own beat was used soo against him and due Zen thinking of bars on the top of his head for most of the round about it was wicked. Passive won 1 & 2, Zen won round 3. If they were to do a rematch, Zen needs to watch out for hypocrisy, stop reusing insults, try to quickly think of freestyle comebacks because they both have a good ability to freestyle hard bars off the head and they showed it this battle.

[@danf27g]

What a battle, the two best but zen is ridiculous 🔥 zen vs ren needed

[@MultiRyan2000]

Ren wins in this format

[@CahillJosh]

Zen ridiculous …. Ly shit you mean

[@amasworld7126]

@@CahillJoshclown.

[@zdbra]

​@@CahillJoshsomeone didn't understand the bars and flows

[@user-yb8yl6kg9x]

Begging for reloads is actually mad 💀

[@TheInternationalBrigades]

Third round, Zen's went on some final boss theme song.

[@KazBlaze]

yeah i was thinkin the same final boss vibes

[@Zenthorian1]

So many of Zens bars went over heads, clearly won that 3-0. Nowhere near close, I could quote at least 10 bars of Zens that deserved reloads. Passive needs to stop using his own beats man they’re honestly no good.

[@issheng]

This is a battle I would watch again tbh

[@basti160]

1 Round - Passiv 2 Round - Zen 3 Round - Passiv really wierd arguments from the jury overall, i dont get it. Both doing great but for me it was Passive

[@revertakh1235]

What is the 3rd round beat Zen spat on? I know its a remix of Spooky - Spartan but for the life of me i cant find that version of the beat. Any ideas?

[@revertakh1235]

Found it 😂 it's Spooky - Iron Gates 🔥🔥🔥

[@bc5197]

Starts at 5:47

[@Razz-Prince]

Dan Dannah got done over in this venue, mics went again round 1 here. Shame as this pen game is getting better every season, feel like they should have waited and not forced this early

[@WMNessie]

Passive did his thing. performance wise he was way better. Zens breath control really through me off but his flow when hes breathing right is insane. first round was passive but zen really pulled it back heavy his 2nd and 3rd round were just a bit better.

[@bristolj357]

Passive with a better performance? Not at all zens performance is top tier

[@WMNessie]

@@bristolj357 personally havent watched much of his other clashes but his performance here wasnt great. his breathing was pretty bad and he was running out of breath and whispering his bars a lot because of it. when he had control of his breathing he was amazing but i think Big Narstie pretty much hit the nail on the head he was too gassed for the bars and needed to control the adrenaline. passives breath control and composure on stage was much better. passive was just a little overconfident though. great clash id still say Zen won regardless of his performance being shaking

[@CahillJosh]

@@bristolj357Yeah you are deluded😂😂😂😂

[@M3UMH]

Passive won that for me. Zen was decent but doesn’t have the same control as Passive.

[@djentisnotagenre]

He has better control than Passive. Actually watch most Zen battles, you'll see this is the first time where he's losing breath.

[@komay]

@@djentisnotagenre And his lack of control and clarity is why I also consider he lost. Who cares how he performed in the past.

[@TheFarNorth]

@@djentisnotagenre and how the hell does that justify THIS battle? are you nuts judging this battle BASED upon his history? this explains everything if that's how you folks over there think. Anyone who is grasping for breath while claiming rapping better is crap imo. it's like calling someone fat while being fat, you see? man u pissed me off

[@SpyroTek]

@@TheFarNorth i think it's just about wording. M3UMH said Zen doesn't have the same control as Passive. Being pedantic he should have said Zen Didn't have the same control as Passive. Not saying I subscribe to pedantry, just that I can see it.

[@M3UMH]

@@SpyroTek that’s fair comment. I haven’t seen a Zen battle before so was only commenting on this battle. Stand by what I said in this battle I felt Passive won.

[@Unknown-pg4ko]

Zen sounds so dead. OG can’t stay on beat and gets gassed out. What a joke 🤣

[@jimbobgnarly7723]

Arrdee giving pointers to Zen is hilarious. Like a Sunday league player chatting to a premier league baller. Fame doesn’t equal talent. If it did Zen would be on the judging panel. Guys been killing man for over a decade.

[@Isa-t6v3v]

Init arrdee is a trash artist

[@SamiKhan-ky6rb]

without doubt zen is a sick battler but telling him look at the opponent and not the crowd is a valid thing to say

[@massapin9293]

@@SamiKhan-ky6rb Not really mate, you need to work with the crowd to get them buzzing, otherwise your things just going to look dry, that's why the all the judges ended up siding with Zen, Zen did have far better bars too like but yeah

[@SamiKhan-ky6rb]

@@massapin9293 i think doing both in the same battle is the best approach. look at zen vs caveman, he hardly glances at caveman once when he's spitting and it makes it feel weird this is still a battle platform and having opponents facing each other reminds you of that

[@massapin9293]

@@SamiKhan-ky6rb Yeah you definitely do need to do both, I agree with that, but Zen always always gets the crowds going. Can't tell you how many events ive been to where Zen has got the place bouncing with unheard bars.

[@soulfulone8130]

zen got to hyped in the first couldn't keep up with himself... he came in like he won all the battles

[@SpyroTek]

Well, he did win.

[@soulfulone8130]

@@SpyroTek of course, but he's been battling like 200 years the other guy just started a few months ago..

[@djentisnotagenre]

NGL, Zen easily took it, but it's crazy how good Zen is because this is Zen on top form. Something was happening with his breathing 'cause he's never like that. Never seen a battle where he was breathless. Passive could have put up opposition if he came with a full third round and a beat that wasn't washed.

[@MDwhipzOnTwitch]

Im ngl passive for me had better bars and sounded way better. Plus you cant be recycling bars man and getting gassed over a reload. Embarrassing

[@Billie-zx5vf]

easily took it by choking, running out of breath, losing composure constantly and mumbling? Whilst Passive had the whole crowd gassed every single round and laughing? Sure lol

[@fillydunit9763]

​@Billie-zx5vf bro his bars are waaaay more creative ibr. Passive called my man a predator for 2 rounds😂. Zen even though his breathing was jarring had bare mentionable bars.

[@Perozes-gh4lx]

Zen def won lyrically, and if i hear another twat say something about "stealing bars", it's a massive part of battle rap, watch past battles ffs

[@fahadalnabi]

Day 4 petition for next 2v2 format: Smil3z and Passive Skamz and iiiberealz Kandi and Millz Grams and Caveman Whoisorion and Sevz Drizzgb and Trappy Zen and Storm Fdon and Dan Dannah Deeno and Fendry Each duo complements each other’s energy and delivery style, ensuring battles that are balanced. For instance, some matchups bring raw aggression with sharp wit, while others are all about mad synergy or contrasting flows that make for engaging back-and-forths. If you rate the lineup, bang a like on this and shout me if you’ve got any changes or better ideas. Let’s run this up and get Margs to see, yeah?

[@Gvei-bu8bh]

I rate it💯🔥

[@ExodusX13]

JM should be in there. He's better than a few in that list.

[@Jimboy--gs2yl]

The battles are already set

[@Daswaggermasta]

Kandi and Deeno would be a better fit imo.

[@Young_baller]

Ngl I don’t think fendry and deeno is getting a single round on any of these other duos

[@mobeats2443]

It’s the pure volume of rhymes and jabs that hit for me, because it was all quality stuff. They both had good rounds but Zen was more powerful and polished, imho, even despite struggling for breath. When your opponent is averaging 2 to 3 rhymes per line and you’re only bring 1, that’s gonna be a problem for you no matter how many syllables your scheme has, especially when the jabs hit hard and pop the crowd.

[@ZACKDANIEL_]

Round 1 easily passive, round 2 and 3 zen. Passive seems to not be on his A game round 2 and 3, not a fan of last beat selection from him either. But strongly believe if we saw the version of passive vs hunce, in this battle he would of definitely had a better chance of winning.

[@mikehench]

4:24 Clash Starts

[@tkmiles3160]

🎉

[@alicaylan6471]

Zens been cold from way back when.. sick

[@-Ennzo-]

19:26 that dance from passive back to zen got me dying

[@McShane1996]

Wow after first round I thought “wow we might actually see Zen lose this battle” but for me he took 2nd and 3rd round. I was shocked to see this clash uploaded on the channel, probably my two favourite battlers to be on pen game.

[@kingcrownuk]

Passive got bodied. The way Zen spin the production of beats was mad!

[@Koleiz]

Real bro, I wanted passive to lose just so I can see all the passive glazers in the comments

[@doncorleone2882]

Round 1: Zen could have nicked it but his inability to control his breathing and then blaming the mic was a bit embarrassing - over confidence killed him 1-0 Passive Round 2: Zen 1-1 comes back with a bang Round 3: Zen 2-1 Burial - cya later mate Pro G sees it all - nasty and aitch are just oblivious they miss all the tekky intellectual bars