Pat Bev & JJ Redick debate whether James Harden deserves the supermax 🍿 | Get Up

[@BallFacts]

Pat had JJ heated🤣

[@justinl559]

Pat isn't even making points. He is like the 3 year old who just learned the word "why"

[@minfamous5841]

Because pat is a idiot and conversing with an idiot can be infuriating

[@theotherview1716]

Pat is a child in a mans body.

[@Apoet777]

@@Dr.SmegmaJones other way around lol

[@Ciauskhaleesi]

pat bev is biased.. we should check up on pat again next year ^.^

[@MindfulAttraction2.0]

pat bev is the black skip bayless lmao

[@AshadowsShadow]

😂😂😂😂

[@christiandouyon9739]

For real lol. He knows if he were a GM and someone came to him proposing supermax for harden after that performance he'd laugh the guy out his office

[@Playboymicah]

No he’s Patrick Beverly

[@treypain5082]

@@Playboymicah that part

[@scottjustinvest]

This is so true!!!

[@JR-500]

if harden gets a supermax he owes beverly 10% of that contract 😂

[@xblfanatic360]

Facts😂. He tryna be Hardens agent rn

[@eddycantu5354]

Rockets fan. You right 😂😂

[@rodb115]

Lol, he should ask for 15%! He's been trying to sell that Harden supermax belief for the past two days! Not going to happen.

[@FrankyEames]

Big facts! Bev been putting work in trying to sell everyone on it lol.

[@nathanDenmark]

@@rodb115 20% !!

[@Bigchiefloveth]

"What Robin is getting the super max?" Hahaha JJ got me in stitches

[@gb2755]

A robin that fills up the stadium, sells shoes, jerseys etc. A robin that has all eyes on him. Instant ROI for an organization. It's a star based company. Not (statistical in-game) results. I understand JJ wasn't much into the business aspects of it. Results get you championships, but the rest of the league chipping in for business financial returns, and JJ don't have eyes for that domain.

[@royceb4814]

That James harden Robin 😭😭😭😭

[@barbaryn7899]

@@gb2755 pretty sure the teams don't get paid for their players shoe sales that deal is with Nike or whoever they're wearing

[@tristanmeadows]

@@gb2755 james harden doesnt do any of that lol. Most people think he is washed up and lazy

[@kimstuart7989]

Shout out to the moderator. Amazing time and controlling the flow of conversation with these 2 IS NOT an easy task!

[@docholiday1463]

He was absolutely amazing I agree

[@michaelperez3657]

forreal. idk why but espn moderators always have annoying voices for whatever reason, but I can listen to him forever.

[@deezal25fuel]

Absolutely, way to acknowledge that.

[@dominick366]

I concur

[@hoodviews845]

Two different perspectives from two different players who actually laced ‘em up and step on that court for 10 plus years! Is what you call a real debate ✊🏽💯

[@olliesmith4997]

Exactly. Two guys that actually played and know the game. One thing to speak on the game from a textbook, intellectual level but it’s another thing to speak on the game if you actually played and know the internal nuisances that’s the media and ppl don’t know or don’t understand. That’s why I love when former players get into sports media because they can speak on it from a whole different level because they actually been in trenches and know all the behind the scenes nuisances.

[@hoodviews845]

@@olliesmith4997 facts my boy!!!! I’m tired of media people who never played sports

[@bonanimathambo8721]

Except one is smart and the other is a moron irritant.

[@calebdavis381]

Not really. GM wise pat doesnt make any sense. Whats valid is harden is still worth a supermax ONLY if he is the franchise player and embiid is it.

[@bonanimathambo8721]

@@calebdavis381 He still wouldn’t be a super max. Even a max would be a stretch. He has deteriorated rapidly.

[@gooseman025]

JJ will get the super max heart attack if he keeps this up every week. LOL

[@kawhi-theking_of_the_north3536]

Hes so heated he gotta chill lol

[@wilbryest]

@@kawhi-theking_of_the_north3536 how you gonna chill when you're arguing with a moron? lol

[@Plugoon]

@@kawhi-theking_of_the_north3536 pat bev effect

[@hellabreeshhh]

Pat bev got JJ IN his feelings 😂😂💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ThePr0blemmm]

LMAOOOO

[@eddiewash2k]

Pat just cappin. I love JJ. He is so real. And he is speaking facts. You don’t pay Robin a super max.

[@luny2nez281]

Wow Pat is being a pest on and off the court now 😂. JJ was ready to choke him

[@A_Sleap]

He's a trip 😂😂

[@tylerthomas9855]

😂😂😂

[@norestwicked6125]

Lmao, JJ heated while answerin PatBevs somewhat rhetorical question

[@teamgreats4084]

Oh y'all tripping Pat Bev was a thousand percent right

[@luny2nez281]

@@teamgreats4084 If you think he is correct, then you should never be a manager

[@jeffhuang5061]

6:03 sums it up perfectly. Pat believes players should be paid based on past performances, regardless of their prospects of delivering results in the future. JJ believes players should be paid based on the expected results that they would bring within the next 4-5 years.

[@fukyofeelings7228]

That's why u have stipulations in contracts give him Max but with stipulations on performance and wins or championship deliveries

[@loicy.4004]

So based on CP3 arrival in Sun they have been top team does CP3 deserve the super max ? Lol Bev opinions are laughable it’s pure feelings

[@andrewbathish9265]

Jj is right

[@thslim2593]

nah, pat bev is saying that harden has proved he has the ability to play at a level that deserves a supermax contract. He shouldn't be penalized contract wise because he morphed his game to let people like maxey tobias and embiid play better on offense

[@leonardoyi3183]

that's one of the most stupid answers pat beverly gave on that discussion...Unless you are some kind of royalty to that team, as kobe was to the lakers, that was one of the most stupid answers i have heard...

[@Bfitzgerald82]

Loving Pat and JJ going back and forth. So refreshing having intelligent and bold players talking. love this.

[@mr.ronaldlawrence1231]

Pat is providing the honest current player perspective that keeps up with the business of the NBA.

[@eamcbmsc]

@@mr.ronaldlawrence1231 he’s giving his perspective. There is varying thoughts in the league.

[@dw4270]

I'm not saying Pat is dumb but everything he said here was extremely dumb

[@rd.2670]

@@dw4270 Agree Agree Agree. Pat is only speaking as a friend and former teammate of James Harden. No logic whatsoever.

[@BlackDeadpoolEarth2046]

Nerds on here so freakin corny

[@t30rages26]

Pat Bev: “Yes” “Oh really?” Pat bev: “that’s what yes means”😂😂

[@aatiti2011]

😂😂😂

[@gills77]

@zuze owned JJ with pettiness, yeah, but definitely not with logic, lol..... He says he's paying James Harden 60 mil when Harden's 37. Huh?!

[@aniselola3547]

@zuze "owned" jj? he's literally just trolling with stupidity.

[@matthewknight2835]

@zuze must've watched a different video lmao, JJ debunked every point he tried making Pat got son'd

[@AMaidenlessRunt]

To be honest Pat is trolling.

[@MisticStyles]

Good chemistry with these guys and they are both still new in their analyst roles. They are respectful but still aren't afraid to challenge one another and they will only continue to get better. Huge props to ESPN for putting effort in to right the ship after the Max Kellerman and Rachel Nichols debacles.

[@erikkelley412]

what max kellerman do?

[@MisticStyles]

@@erikkelley412 They moved him off of First Take and it spurred up some controversy because Max is one of the GOATs but they bowed to SAS's demands even though Max is smarter and more level headed than SAS.

[@BHH71700]

@@MisticStyles I dont believe SAS wanted max out....no proof to back that claim

[@MisticStyles]

@@BHH71700 Uh... Except he admitted it publicly.

[@erikkelley412]

@@MisticStyles Ah i see i see. Wouldn't really call that a debacle just someone moving on to a new opportunity. Kind of odd that you would put his name in the same sentence as Rachel Nichols who was shown to be on the edge with her racist comments. They are completely unrelated. Stating there names together gives people the wrong image of Max Kellerman that's all.

[@ray_of_sunshine917]

Pat Bev motto is “All Boats Rise When The Tide Comes In” When teams just start giving away Supermax deals the next tier gets over paid also. This is Pat is looking out for his own interest.

[@GrimeBot-io7ho]

Nice take.

[@mwp7181]

Didn't think of that. Good point.

[@DTS_I]

Yeah but who’s gonna go out of their way to give Pat a contract?

[@ray_of_sunshine917]

@@DTS_I He is currently in the 1st year of a 3 year $40 million dollar contract. But I know he’s thinking about his next contract as he should.

[@DTS_I]

@@ray_of_sunshine917 if anything he’ll just get a contract just like that or less.

[@pduke770]

Get him JJ! So much fun watching PBev! Love watching these two go at it

[@notjuschickenproductions8010]

@@Dr.SmegmaJones cuz Pat knows hes' talking out his a**. JJ is spot on

[@thee_morpheus]

@@Dr.SmegmaJones JJ was stuttering too actually

[@ballinphil3025]

Don't ride it so hard

[@christophersullivan3393]

This is like watching your Dad argue argue with your drunk Uncle on your mom's side during Thanksgiving 😂😂😂😂

[@ph_hacker_d]

Best description. Makes you wanna grab popcorn 😂

[@KJVDaniel1.17]

That was hella accurate loool

[@justinhyliu5763]

Is James Harden holding Pat Bev's family as hostage?! Why is Pat spitting words like a crazy man?

[@FreeOnGoal]

Nah, it's because they both hate Chris Paul!

[@elizabethjean2709]

🤣

[@quincythomas9944]

@@FreeOnGoal oh Fr 😭😂

[@eddycantu5354]

Do you not know they were teammates for so many years?

[@Alex-yl4mr]

Bev said Harden and him are close so he's trying to get his guy another big payday😭

[@pv25]

The difference between JJ and Pat Bev’s logical consistency and ability to form and defend an argument is staggering.

[@tarico4436]

Ever'body seemed to forget the "fannies in the seats" factor. A dinosaur in LA is a shell of his former "King" self, yet he's getting the super max. What you've done in the past DOES bring another fanny or two to the arena.

[@pv25]

@@tarico4436 And see how well that’s working out for the Lakers? You’re disproving your own point.

[@thebiglebrowski3695]

@@tarico4436 Wait what? LeBron went 30/8/6 on 52% shooting and was 4th in PER and he is a shell of his former self? Gtfoh with that BS

[@chie2610]

What PatBev fails to see is that YOU CANNOT RUN A BUSINESS BASED OFF OF SENTIMENTS. Max dollars require max output and that is not Harden right now. Let him opt in, watch him for a year then go from there but to pay someone so unpredictable that amount of money till he is 37 is just going to be the dumbest thing ever from a business stand point.

[@treyneal8837]

Lol this is hilarious... businesses are run by individuals(humans) who are flawed. Any business decision made there will be some sort of algorithm or reasoning to back it up but that doesn't mean buisnesses dont make decisions based on sentiment. They do it all the time(and tell the lil guys, "The reason behind this is x+y=hi" and they eat it up..

[@One_Preacher]

Harden is on his way outta this league No défense, inability to show up in the biggest games

[@MrMaples1996]

I mean what can you really do? The position they are in Joel's entering his prime. Window is closing especially with injuries. Harden isn't the same, but he does put up numbers. Sure bad or good whatever. Still doesn't solve their bench issue + their wing problems with Thybulle being a liability. Nobodies gonna trade for Harden soo what can you do?

[@bdotkakarot794]

hes just trying to get james paid he dont really believe that

[@chie2610]

@@MrMaples1996 you don’t even need to trade Harden. Keep him there, give him 160 over 4 years instead of that 270, use the rest of the money to invest in free agents or something else. But to double down and pour money into a man who is getting out played by Maxey is wild!

[@andrewbrandenburg3842]

JJ is the best thing that’s happened to ESPN! Only person worth listening to his opinion!

[@TheKeepItRealNetwork]

These two definitely gonna have a show together 😂

[@boneless9311]

Pb & JJ

[@Caparisplato]

@@boneless9311 u a genius bro. Go into tv or sumn

[@elastic774]

No cause bev I s good at time s but a idiot and ignorant most of the time

[@tailoredfor831]

@@boneless9311 that was actually good... I don't usually give out compliments.. but you just actually accomplished something in life

[@Capothekid]

@@boneless9311 you won. You’re amazing

[@richardsong7732]

Pat Bev has the mentality of running the organization like a player. Players protecting players, which he should do. But it also goes to show why former players usually don't become good coaches and/or GMs. However, as for television, Pat and JJ are gold. They are great. JJ is such a rock and so grounded. Pat Bev is such a pest on and off the court. Love it. He challenges those around him and keeps them accountable to what they're saying.

[@theloniousvic]

Im just glad somebody is standing strong on their opinion whether others feel its wrong or not! This what i wanna see on ESPN 💪🏽

[@realamerican8069]

I couldn’t pinpoint it but you hit it on the nose! The nba players will takeover ESPN! The commentary from players and ex players is leagues above the talking heads!

[@teamgreats4084]

FACTS.... Not to mention Pat Bev was a thousand percent right

[@anthonyjones3526]

You are so right! Thank you for putting it into words

[@RayMon504]

But he's wrong here. You're out of your mind if you give Harden the max.

[@teamgreats4084]

@@RayMon504 if Philly don't give him the max somebody else would, therefore Philly will lose him for nothing, only a dummy would not pay him the money you just traded everything to get him, pay him his money common sense

[@Vaultboy50s]

Love how JJ came at him. Awesome!

[@willn8664]

Seeing JJ heated you almost forget that he actually had Pat Bev on his podcast awhile ago.

[@legendarygreat1064]

ay this comment here 😭😭😭💀

[@michaelchambers55]

He had him on there twice lol

[@EG29602]

JJ is very prepared. Using Pat Bev’s famous word JJ DESTROYED him in this segment

[@rhoward0006]

Wow 😂

[@HARRY__Pecker]

Lol they’re friends. They played together for years.

[@TheAdelgado1987]

I love how jj gets soo pissed lol

[@raypurchase155]

JJ looks like he wants to kill Pat Bev 😭

[@outzic]

Lmao Pat bev isn’t concerned about JJ 😂

[@heavylit1760]

@@outzic Matt Barnes is looking for him in the parking lot after work

[@secretsavant-]

JJ doesn't keep his composure very well. Pat Bev is an expert at annoying opponents. JJ should know that since he's so smart.

[@secretsavant-]

@Israel Diaz I'm certainly not as fast as your mother.

[@secretsavant-]

@Israel Diaz And you're on KZbin. Must be referring to yourself, slowman. ⛄️

[@livingBIG1]

This exchange and duo is amazing

[@jessefairbloom9914]

Patrick Beverly is coming for Ryan Hollins spot as work player-analyst in the last decade

[@kevhughes1981]

I really Pat, he has this way of thinking about things, breaking it down, it's refreshing

[@arafatsiyez972]

Agree with JJ. If he was a franchise player a la Kobe/Dirk/Duncan, then its okay to pay the max. Neither his ability nor he is a franchise player to get a max contract. Hate Bev on the court and now on TV. He even disrespected CP today 🤦🤦🤦

[@robdoms45123]

Russel Westbrook at 32 playing for the Wizard averaged 22-12-12. That’s better than Harden. Are we all in agreement that Russ deserves his current $44M at 33 and we should also extend Russ with a super max to earn $60M+ at the age of 37/38?

[@watchmyshoes22]

FACTS!!!!!

[@Molly-rq9gi]

Bottom line is harden bought this on himself with that lackluster play in the playoff series

[@Synical02]

So harden is 32 rn so the assumption is he'll be with Philly for 5 years I definitely think he could preform better in 5+ years for a supermax I wish the NBA had like a prove it deal so he could show his skills and earn up to it

[@robdoms45123]

@@Synical02 You can do exactly that right now. He opts in but Sixers don’t offer any extension. If he plays well in his final year (next season) then consider the option.

[@watchmyshoes22]

@@Synical02 He's only going to get worse not better. Also his next year of opting in is literally a prove it deal lol. If he plays well (supermax well) next season he'll likely be signed to a 4 year supermax.

[@christopherfiles3231]

This is how you know pat bev was in his feels about Chris plus he’s trying to defend James Harden’s performance

[@jaimeosorio7099]

No his point is that Harden gets slandered for scoring 22-10-8 but CP always gets a pass when he chokes in the playoffs.

[@gringoboy701]

@@jaimeosorio7099 Harden always chokes in playoffs and always made much more than Chris Paul whats your point? You'd have to be straight up feminine in your feelings to give Harden a max contract at this point especially since he quit on 3 teams in a row.

[@EG29602]

@@jaimeosorio7099 did you see Harden in the playoffs? He did not average nothing near that

[@Kahnsie]

Paul made the finals last year…

[@jaimeosorio7099]

@@gringoboy701 and CP3 has the most 2-0 leads blown ever .. one gets slandered constantly with people saying he doesn’t deserve a max contract while the other gets called the “point god”

[@kicrocks]

this is refreshing banter from actual players. love it

[@talkmurda1502]

Pat defending off the court 2🤣

[@pavelkardash]

I like the heat those two bring to the debate!!!

[@cameralips73]

My respect for JJ just shot up. I love when people put Pat Bev in his place

[@bingo8789]

He didn't 😄🤫🤫

[@secretsavant-]

No, JJ should go run the Sixers since he obviously has a monopoly on logic.

[@geno8246]

@@Chris.41 bruh what world you in, what had Steph accomplished at the time they payed him super max? ALOT. He was definitely well deserved leading up to now and steph wasn’t 37 when they payed him. Like James harden is and he’s won nothing compared to Steph Smh

[@rickmason6157]

@@Chris.41 Steph don't vanish in the playoffs and he got RINGS!!!!!!

[@bayandampanza5648]

I've been watching this guy since he came in these shows. Something is off about him, he's not the type to argue with. Just agree and continue seeing things your way.

[@cruzrose5645]

James Harden has been disappearing in the playoff for years and he did it again. He gives up on his team so no he doesn’t deserve the Supermax. That’s the only reason he was taken to Philly, perform and get them over the him in the playoffs! At least don’t give up !

[@Synical02]

well it's confusing because based on the statement He's gonna get the supermax at age 37 But he is 32 so is he gonna take 5 years to prove his worth?

[@philcoats6812]

Pat Bev is the best teammate ever. He on your team, even when he ain't on your team!

[@HitmanEF]

Beverly asks questions to deflect time from him. This isnt for him

[@edwincollins5847]

He didn’t deflect though. It was a question to further his argument. Because he was going to compare their productions against harden.

[@Goldussst]

Beverley doesnt asks questions.. He axes them

[@tristanmeadows]

@@edwincollins5847 it didnt further his argument there is multiple players at or above hardens skill (fantastic players) that arnt paid supermax currently. JJ instantly pointed that out

[@edwincollins5847]

@@tristanmeadows I think you need to listen to the video again. You can hear PaT bev making the case that what harden was able to do prior in his career should give reason on why he should get the max and as we as what his average currently is. As far as other players. JJ reddick mentioned tray young. He will get his as well. His time will come when it’s time to renegotiate his contract

[@rezasanjari3305]

“Go run the 76’ers “ loool jj is gold and sticking to it 🤣🤣🤣

[@IveBeenChris]

Pat is trying to look out for this buddy but he’s wrong here… Harden is done being the same killer Harden because of the rule change. He don’t get to the foul line that easy anymore. If I’m the Sixers I’m shipping him out for other young stars and give Maxey the money.

[@JellyxPoint]

It’s not cause no rule change harden is a lot slower than he was in Houston. He only scoring less cause he out of shape. The deciding factor on if he worth the money is if he will take care of his body

[@tundedaboss]

It doesn’t matter if he’s regressed from Houston harden. His production even in a off year still is worthy of a super max.

[@GrimeBot-io7ho]

As long as Daryl Morey is in charge, he'll give Harden not only a supermax, but the keys to his house, and he'll even suck the sweat out of his beard like a baby deer nursing.

[@toddpacker1015]

@@JellyxPoint It's because of the rule change. He can't bait as many fouls thus defenders can guard him closer hence lower 3 point percentage.

[@JellyxPoint]

Bro harden is just slower go watch games instead of listening to media takes. He shooting freethrows at a high rate still. He is literally just way slower than he was a couple years ago. He just out of shape so he got no legs too shoot a step back three at a high percentage.

[@jasonandrews1770]

The dude who came prepared for the debate vs the class clown

[@darrius751]

Better dialogue, better takes with ACTUAL athletes.

[@1chrismelody]

This was a good dialogue… I could watch this group everyday

[@awesomemonkey4965]

Pat is delusional 😂 glad he ain’t running a team

[@rick_thunder]

5:38 Right here, Pat Bev thinks that the goal is to win the argument. The goal is to get to the truth even if both of them agree. Harden is not worth a Supermax as his age and with his skills beginning to decline. Father Time is undefeated. There is no way that Philly should pay Harden for what he did in Houston. That makes no sense. Also, Harden doesn’t play defense. He needs to at least put in the effort.

[@skang9503]

The problem is not his avg. it’s how the avg happens- he goes 29-35 then drops to 10-15 the next game - what are u paying for if ur player offers absolute no consistency??

[@pastapapi9768]

The owners need to start acting like the players need the NBA and not the NBA needs the players

[@reeeeeeee-e2g]

@@pastapapi9768 nah, wrong take. There are now too many multimillionaire NBA players with connections. LBJ, the two MJs to name a few. For sure, people like jay-z beyonce to name a few other rich people that would support the players to establish another NBA. The NBA needs the superstars for sure, not the other way around. Best example is LBJ and the cavs. Cavs needed LBJ more than LBJ needed the savs.

[@tribalypredisposed]

Nah. The problems is he is averaging those points on really bad efficiency. Most blocked volume shooter in the NBA this season with over 9% of his attempts being blocked, 33% from 3, one of the highest turnover averages in the league, and not good on defense to put it mildly. It is okay in the regular season but it kills your team in the playoffs when defense matters more.

[@pastapapi9768]

@@reeeeeeee-e2g They've been trying that with the NFL, the #1 sport in America, and the companies either fail or no one watches. More money in football than in the NBA. No way they could form another league AND Americans are not sports fans like say in Europe where you have 2-3 divisions for soccer and fans show out and show up. Wouldn't work here.... #1 cause of the money it would take and #2 cause of the American fans.

[@r.brumfield6244]

@@reeeeeeee-e2g You clearly have no idea how much it cost to run a basketball franchise. Jay-z and beyonce might be worth a billion, but that don't mean they're willing to spend most of their wealth on basketball. The NBA brand is bigger than any superstar today including Lebron.

[@ChillRichard]

this moderator did such a great job. cause usually some moderators either switch topics or cut people off, but he stir the conversation so both players were allowed to speak

[@ricwood5506]

Bev definitely is in love with Harden. He's so delusional with his take on Harden

[@ky7e619]

They're homies.

[@StayTru101]

He’s right. Y’all just be hating on the beard

[@elliotthonduras1164]

Sorry bev you just sound bad just like lebron as a gm

[@Facedamusic]

Former teammates

[@zero3644]

@@StayTru101 the beard is trash get over it

[@LolRoboShotU]

Love the loyalty of Pat.

[@edwinrivera5009]

JJ won this debate by a mile 🔥

[@KedIsKeenSports]

Wow Pat and JJ going at it is simply dope!! I want More! More! 😂

[@ryansabo4547]

Pat bev really gave no argument for why Harden deserves it. It really just boils down to "just cuz"

[@Josh11howard]

22 10 8 is his argument name another player putting up those numbers…. jokic lol

[@StayTru101]

He gave numbers idiot.

[@NoSpinster0909]

@@Josh11howard 😂

[@lestergarcia247]

Get em BEV "that's what yes means" 😆🤣😂😹💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@michaelgant584]

JJ letting Pat Bev know. 👍🏽

[@skletory]

Dude not 37 he’s 33

[@jaredwise9751]

"I feel like it did doe..." lol, cracked me up bro

[@brodericksimpson6049]

"He's my friend and he used to be great so destroy your franchise, run off Joel Embiid and give him the supermax".

[@Josh11howard]

No he’s saying in a nice way sign janes and get rid of Tobias

[@StevenChou1984]

Love the animosity

[@Paul-fs8ox]

I just flat out wouldn’t want harden on my team. He’s about to become the next Westbrook/Melo. Someone is gonna overpay him and then nobody will want him once he’s a liability. He lowkey was already that with Philly, in that Miami series he wasn’t trying and was a turnstile on defense. He made them worse when he was out there other than one game.

[@presidentresident]

He's the definition of doing less with more. Terrible attitude. Basically wants a championship hand delivered to him while he stays comfortable. No willingness to go out on his shield

[@miguelortega3027]

As much as I don't like harden I would say he's the next westbrook unlike them he actually changed his game to become more of a facilitator regardless if his scoring declined he changed the way he plays but still

[@magmax76]

"Once" he's a liability..🤔

[@debussychopin2766]

Patbev and jj after the shoot be all huggin and fist-bumpin and laughin "we gonna do this again??" "You betcha bro!"

[@dopeconcepts1607]

Pat is a trap! JJ is my favorite analyst right now. Real! Articulate. Intelligent! Assertive yet proper.

[@secretsavant-]

White...

[@xx_z.bruh_xx6916]

@@secretsavant- he is more of a beige but idk what that has to do with stating arguments that are backed up with facts

[@secretsavant-]

@@xx_z.bruh_xx6916 He definitely wasn't proper, as his ad hominem statement that Pat Bev should go run the Sixers was unprofessional and could be turned on him since he seems to have all the answers.

[@secretsavant-]

@@xx_z.bruh_xx6916 Clearly he is a white male.

[@xx_z.bruh_xx6916]

@@secretsavant- the only the thing that is clear is that the pot is calling the kettle black

[@sweetiemcgee]

I was all in with bevmo with his takes. What a refreshing pov. glad he's on espn. Then he discredits himself with his opinion on Harden.

[@wr606]

It is true that a player --especially as it relates to their work ethics and desired or 'intentional' work output-- deserves any due compensation; yet, no one truly has the right to claim that a person is continually due money when they, that person does not have 'intentional', ethical work output. Simply put: unless you are receiving due disabled or retirement income, it's all about "Due Play for Due Pay. WR

[@wr606]

@@Chris.41 The problem exists when a professional athlete expects to be paid in full for not intentionally performing or 'playing for pay' (this applies to: James Harden, Kyrie Irving, Ben Simmons and the like...); however, as with Curry, he deserves all of his due money because the brother has always had a desire and intent to play to his fullest. Thus, that is the difference, It applies as/when someone desires or have the intent on providing their fullest effort for receiving any of their due income.

[@justinfromsg8539]

@@wr606 Totally well put my friend. This qualitative traits also has an effect on other players, which is why the GSW are in the conference finals; you have fringe players looking up to curry, and being elevated to a higher level. So whilst curry averages 25/5/6, the overall points he generates when he plays is higher. GSW acknowledges the overall impact he has on the organization, which is why Harden was used as a discussion on whether he deservers supermax and not Curry, because it is obvious to the the GSWs org and everyone else that he deserves it.

[@alexpegiadis98]

Just amazing for real Pat and JJ if you read this.Thank you both for this discussion and thanks to the cordinator for keeping the right pace amazing job from all of you.Also my point of view is closer to JJ but understand Pats view.Both views intresting and was nice to hear them!!!!

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

So if Pat Bev is 76ers GM we know we're gonna get "The Process" all over again in a few years

[@skletory]

Yall messed up so many times in the draft Yall might as well. No ring is coming for the 76ers

[@surbhitjain3848]

4:10 “thats my firm believe”. Lmao dude

[@Double_agent003]

Harden is a liability no matter which way you slice it. The super max should only be pertained to the guys who is THE GUY in a playoffs matchup. Harden is a season player.

[@MagicEmpireTV]

I agree with you but he sells tickets and last time I checked it was 82 games n the season n he have a lot of fans so he should get paid if nor from a performance standpoint from the money his star makes it for the organization so he should be paid of that n entertainment you get paid because of your fan base not your production or skill and sports are entertainment

[@mangmans]

dude. . .JJ RELAX man, no sense getting all that heated.

[@Nerdmatic]

If The Rockets would have beat The Warriors the 2nd time around this wouldn’t even be a question. It’s comes down to HOW he went out during those loses.

[@oa8294]

Nah bro, even if he had won that how can you pay a guy when he couldn’t take more than 2 shots in a close out game?

[@fitzgerald434]

This is the barbershop/chillin with the homies argument. Sports shows need this authenticity like this

[@HezzyEastside]

There's a reason you don't just let players vote for all teams or listen to all there opinions. They biased AF.

[@VladimirElliot]

If the entirety of players voted, there wouldn’t be bias. What are you talking about? Majority rules

[@HezzyEastside]

@@VladimirElliot players have there friends and the guys they hate. Just look at pat bev these last two days.

[@mkg5048]

Pat is absolutely right, If Embiid wasn't injured and played to his beast mode potential James Harden would not be hit so hard, He's not Batman anymore and Embiid would not be happy if Harden was Batman, it's that simple, which one do we want.

[@aleksandar2919]

that doesnt mean that Harden deserve super max . Why would anyone that money for Robin and plus he us proven choker in PO . If thay pay him super max Embiid need to run away qucikly from Phili

[@mkg5048]

@@aleksandar2919 Proven Choker!!! People consider the KD GSW the greatest team of all-time, He took them too a game 7 when LeBron got swept, He then took them too a game 6 the very next year and all he had was Cp3 who gets injured all the time, You tell me who can beat the GSW healthy at 100% it's no one. Harden had Westbrook!! Really!!! The man plays a Batman 2 roll, What Robin you know can average 22-8-10??? Exactly

[@jackaburrow3032]

I like pat on the show but it’s so clear his takes are extremely biased

[@jackaburrow3032]

@Israel Diaz huh?

[@luckybuckeye2283]

There’s proof to this statement - Lakers won a “Bubble Championship”, while he and the Clippers blew a 3-1 lead in the same bubble. The quote was on This Just In.

[@stringer2295]

Clearly biased, nobody with common sense would pay James Harden that after what we saw

[@anonymouswarlord102]

@Israel Diaz aint no mexicans in the nba cos they too small

[@5koby4]

@Israel Diaz Don't know what your looking at but pat bev is definately not a white boy.

[@Brxnditoo]

when think about it in the eyes of the player though, I have to agree with Pat Beverly wholeheartedly. If I’m averaging 22 Ppg / 10 Ast / and 8 rebounds. Id want a max/supermax as well

[@heavylit1760]

1:37 1:52 JJ is a dawg..don't forget it

[@lambertedl]

Pat Bev is something else, ha. I love seeing the two different perspectives.

[@G.O.81]

“We’re done, go run the 76ers” 😂

[@Crow5537]

Pat the perfect analyst honestly he doesn’t budge and says what he what he feels is right can’t really hate on that

[@heavylit1760]

Pat Bev is NOT tolerable 2 days in a row

[@286mic]

Facts

[@luckybuckeye2283]

I know right. I just watched a clip of him calling the Lakers last title, “Bubble Championship”. I want to know, didn’t Pat Bev and his Clippers blow a 3-1 lead in the same Bubble? And if anyone other than the Lakers winning the 2020 title, call it a “Bubble Championship” or add an asterisk?

[@286mic]

@UCUJJpJrraAVkeV6ykBa9XaQ uneducated love watching themselves on tv

[@rteddydacius]

Yo brings these 2 back everytime. JJ. is not letting Pat off the hook😂

[@LegendaryBeanBurrito]

JJ out here getting heated 😂💀

[@josephnormanjr.8044]

So a 22, 10 & 8 guy doesn't deserve a "Super Max?" The passion from Pat Bev...Love It!!!

[@wenceslasoswald6014]

I am with JJ on this one!!! Pat is way off on this one. Paying that kind of money to James Harden at this point would be pure idiocracy!

[@thekanthalkid4273]

Pat is a straight up W he needs his own show with JJ when he's done ballin

[@benjamindavid6089]

This is total gibberish. I'm from Philly and he took TWO shots in the second half and showed no interest in working hard. If Philly gave him the super max and he continues to perform like that???? 🤔

[@PengxueYG]

imagine if morey is as crazy as pat and gives him the max....you give him the max I guarantee joel is gonna leave

[@teamgreats4084]

Sent you from Philly How about you let us know when was a mid season trade with a Star PLAYER made and that team made the finals???

[@benjamindavid6089]

@@teamgreats4084 mount mutumbo

[@skletory]

It’s literally doc plans. He addressed it in a interview

[@teamgreats4084]

@@benjamindavid6089 🤥🤥🤥

[@onebodyinyahuahlosangeles1206]

PAT BEV IS THE FRIEND WE ALL WANT AND NEED

[@bowtiebann9630]

JJ keeps it 💯

[@Tadrian4084]

Yoooow espn is smart for having these 2 players on tv. I am enjoying it

[@realamerican8069]

Good debate! Should’ve been a longer segment!

[@juanpa548]

Pat is like: "I’m akxin.. I’m akxin.. 🤣😂

[@babyfacelatino8562]

Why is Pat still talking bro??

[@loststoryproductions]

He want somebody’s job lol

[@babyfacelatino8562]

@@loststoryproductions 😂😂

[@mikejames2756]

I feel like we've also forgotten how the rule change of not being able to initiate fouls -- and how big of a part of his game that was -- has affected his game. Also with his history of placing the blame on Chris Paul, then Westbrook, then Durant/Kyrie, I just don't know how many teams are gonna be willing to pony up that kind of cash not knowing what version they're gonna get. If I were a GM I'd be wary.

[@Del_116]

Facts it’s more physical .

[@andrewdurand3181]

Pay the man. Just cause he "deserves" it. Watch the team become irrelevant because you can't pay for good role players and your super max player is washed up.

[@tristanmeadows]

its the most no brain take you could have lol pat is cooked

[@easyyeye]

Lol ESPN was like maybe we’ve been going about this all wrong. Now they got Pat n’ JJ n’ they hitting a milli with each video

[@desnuts52490]

The new first take

[@murktee]

Needed this

[@Eazy_P_40]

“He averages 22 10 and 8” So Westbrook deserves the Supermax too?

[@schoolboy1984]

Different players different issues

[@jamesmurphy4089]

@@schoolboy1984 that’s clearly not pat bev point tho

[@xm23ful]

JJ got em lmao If PatBev was a GM he wouldn't pay Harden lmao JJ is right