How to Use Multi-Outputs With Superior Drummer 3 - Tutorial

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[@realsongbook]

Hi... Nice video!.... Do you know if is there any way to route the outputs from each instrument individually, including all it ambients and OH and bleeds?. I mean, I know SD3 is trying to emulate the real drum recording/mixing process. But what I want to do is something similar to put MUTE on kick drums and exporting THAT STEM (that would be output 1), and doing the same thing for each instrument. I can't find info about that anywhere.. Best regards!

[@TheMinishKid]

It's hard to covey just how much this video made my day. I've been looking for something like this for ages. THANK YOU!!

[@hawaiirealmedia5610]

Very helpful. Thanks! I just got Superior Drummer, coming from EZdrummer. Superior is a bit different and this help speed up the transition. I would just add that everyone should make a template after they're through, because this set up can be tedious. Have a drum template would make Logic load with it already set up!

[@OfficeofthePacific]

Pat, thanks for the video. When you created the aux tracks to route the individual tracks did you use all aux mono or all aux stereo. It's a bit confusing because most tracks are in mon, but the snare bottom and Overheads are stereo? Thanks

[@ThaKid14]

what do you do about cymbals? I missed that part.......for example, right now I am using the "death" sdx library. all of my cymbals are routed through OH and AMB MID - 3 cymbals activate the exact same mics. what to do here?

[@teddinardo8944]

thank you i just got superior drumer 3 for the sounds and did not know how to inport the individual tracks into logic and luna , all the best

[@MikeHunterJr07]

Definitely appreciate this bc I was sitting down last night trying to figure out how to get SP3 in Logic Pro X to mix/ record from Logic with tracks that I load into to the daw. Definitely Appreciative!! Thanks again mane!!!

[@ricklang_drummer]

I normally would also center pan all mono channels in SD3 when routing so I can take care of the panning in my DAW.

[@PatFlanigan]

Absolutely! Sorry if I forgot to mention/do that

[@MartinDHayes]

Hey Pat! Thanks for this quick, precise and easy to understand tutorial on Superior Drummer 3! I did not know about the "bleed" feature. I'm now a new subscriber, so rock on!!

[@gonebymidnight2881]

What’s the reasoning behind routing each output to bus 1 instead of using send ( if there’s any) and why fid you route the track with the superior drummer instance (output 1/2) to stereo output instead of Bus 1? Thanks in advance

[@catpeterson8151]

Aloha from Honolulu, Fabulous video! So, how you’ll you go from what you have done to getting separate audio stems? I’m thinking at the very least it’d be nice to have: kick, snare, OH, room. Thanks!

[@kevinmccarthy4088]

Thanks Pat. I'm building up this type of workflow using Cubase. In my case since I've experience with recording and mixing live drums I've been configuring it with all of the kick mics routed to one Out, the snare to their own, hihat to its own, OHs to their own, and ambient mics to a single Room Out. Then I adjust the kick faders the way I would in the recording session. And for the instruments that call for it add some slight effects in busses before the outs. For instance, throwing a HPF on the snare bus before its Out. For me that emulates my experience more accurately. But a great video and appreciate it!

[@soulinspiration1]

Man this is cool!!! I have SD3 but LPX is not my primary DAW. I wonder will this work in LUN? If not I guess I will have to mix the drums in LPX.

[@Rev4N1]

Thanks bro! One question. After splitting the drum parts in multi channels, how can i edit a part with my plug-ins, if many parts are played also in "ambient" "oh" "comp"? It doesn't change much if i edit for example "snare" since it is also played in other mixers. 😔 Any ideas?

[@tendingtropic7778]

I believe there's a way in SD3 to map the mixer to multiple outputs with the click of 1 button instead of doing it manually.

[@pikeysrock]

How?

[@kurtmcnaught3443]

Great video. Quick question. When I bounce my drum track down will it separate the tracks by channel per my mixer? I am using Logic Pro X

[@usedtobeapes]

I tried and best solution I can offer is: bounce the whole track (the one with the midi written) while soloing the desired channel.

[@davidlowe7994]

Hi Pat great video! One quick question: I did exactly as you did, and created the additional 15 tracks and routed the SD3 out puts to them but there’s no ‘Sup 1/2’ for the Kick In in my Logic mixer. What did I miss or how do you compensate for that?

[@harryo74]

i think the first track with "superior drummer" is considered the "kick track" so leave that at 1/2 .

[@Worldwave]

I have a question: Can you reroute groups of selected channels?

[@AC-pu2eh]

when I route to all separate 16 challenge in logic, why do all the drums still cause output 1/2 to show signal on that logic track? is this normal?

[@louiejordanthemusefanboy2091]

If I bounce out the drum track. Do I still get all the tracks within logic

[@BandaDK]

thanks for the video! how can i do this in FL?

[@stargatevideoproductionspr9659]

Hi, do you know of a company that sells Ableton live/Superior Drummer templates with the multi-channels already routed?

[@alyctro8158]

There's the pre or post master selection, what difference does it make? I also did split the mixer channels, but the master track still plays outside of that.

[@KitCatStudio]

Maybe I am missing a basic thing here, but how do I BOUNCE my tracks from the SD3 mixer to my daw? post mixed ? I am using cubase 10. tnx !

[@KitCatStudio]

I am answering my self !( hey this is me from the future 🙃) any how it is not such a problem to bounce tracks from SD3. I am doing it almost every day now, you need to route your channels to multiple outputs and make sure your daw is in sinc, I guess in different methods in each daw. After you routed your channels from the plug-in you can do what ever you want with them. It turns out I needed to study my daw better (cubase 10) SD3 is , well, superior indeed !!

[@renevanderbruggen731]

Thanks a lot for sharing this vid - saved me a lot of time !!

[@drumfynnfun]

That helped a lot, thank you so much!

[@joeypereira1592]

Hey pat this is for a friend can I create the multiple output instance of superior drummer after the midi region is created? good stuff

[@PatFlanigan]

Yes you can! The midi data itself is independent to which instrument actually "plays" the notes. Even if you (or in this case your friend) has a bunch of midi drum tracks already written, you can create a new track, fire up SD3 in the same way I show in this video, assign your tracks and just drag the regions to the appropriate tracks. Hope that's clear enough! Thanks for your question!

[@joeypereira1592]

@@PatFlanigan thanks brother....got it...:)

[@paulalvarez2373]

Hey Pat, I just started doing some research on using SD3 and how to output multitrack from it back out of a DAW to a front of house system for using it live. Is that possible? What outboard gear would be needed to get from the DAW and to the FOH?

[@PatFlanigan]

Oooof Paul that might be out of my realm of speciality! I’m not sure I know the answer to that, but let me ask my good friend who will definitely have an answer and I’ll get back to you. Thanks for asking this question, I’ll be able to learn something from it too!

[@timearchitecture]

Two ways. One with a 16 ch midi controller the other would be with an interface that has alot of outputs going into the mixing board.

[@RoyPerez-drumnote]

You can automatically route the channels if you go to MIXER and the APPLY ROUTING Automatically

[@adamboard5159]

Awesome. Night and day!

[@cheineon]

Super helpful, thanks Pat

[@MatthewWright001]

Stellar vid!

[@Landeux]

Good stuff!! Thank you very much!

[@dankenton]

Thanks for the vid! Curious, when you route multi's into your DAW, do those new channels become stereo or mono channels? I use Cubase and mine all become stereo channels when I create those SD3 multi's. Does it matter?

[@PatFlanigan]

Good question! I didn’t notice. Let me check and I’ll get back to you

[@theceez]

They are stereo, but most of them they actually should be mono in order to mix it as real session or even SD3 session. It means a lot to plugin usage when instead of using mono plugin you forced to use stereo which takes twice more power from your system. Also, it's whole different way of mixing when you have just stereo tracks. Great video anyway! It helped a lot.

[@joemillo]

Killer vid. Thank you!!!!

[@morten0user]

Thank you so much, Pat. Very helpful...

[@fret2fret221]

I use studio one and may be switching to pro tools soon. Is this a logic specific feature? Or can this be done in any daw? Thanks!

[@Chicken_Alejandro]

i did it on live no problem

[@chrisbassartist4344]

once I split the tracks is there a way to still have control over all drums with a single channel for volume etc?

[@PatFlanigan]

Yep. You still have everything you had before, including the SD3 mixer and the single Logic track, but now it’ll be a BUS with the subtracks in it. You can still write your parts in the main track.

[@marklondon2008]

Bleed on every track! I'm not usually one to nay-say but imo that won't sound so good. may I suggest adding a couple at a time - you will get a more realistic kit sound and isn;t this what we're all after?

[@PatFlanigan]

I suggested turning on bleed on every track for people who want to train mixing real drums. I personally almost never do that

[@5omanatic]

Very useful thank you

[@stovsa]

Thanks for the vid, it's just what I needed. Quick question, my SD3 kit has 26 mics but I can't seem to add more than 16 tracks in the logic mixer. Is there to add more or do I need to delete some and only use 16? Also how can I then add these tracks from the mixer into the arrange window? Cheers

[@stovsa]

Might a solution be to route all the kick channels, 4 in total, to the same output?

[@PatFlanigan]

Gonna have to check on all of that. Not sure off the top of my head! I’ll get back to you when I’ve figured it out

[@23Guitardood]

@@PatFlanigan Ever get a chance to figure it out? I actually just came to the comment section looking for the answer to this same question.

[@PatFlanigan]

Hey! Man I forgot about this so sorry! Pretty sure the max amount of channels on a multi-output instrument in Logic is 16, so I think you'll have to pick 16 out of the 26 in SD3. Might be able to add the others to a second multi-output track? I'll try that...

[@LarryMar]

Thanks a ton!

[@harryo74]

nice job , im looking for a tutorial to do the same in studio one 4.6 any tips or suggestions ?

[@arbogast4950]

I'm in the middle of ditching Studio One. 666 errors all over the place and terrible customer service.

[@dankahara6263]

Great video--very helpful. Thank you!

[@georgekiapos1]

Hi Pat. Great Vid! Just got SD3, and Luna (UA DAW). I can't get my SD3 to track in midi in Luna. Any tips? Anything to get me started will be greatly appreciated!! :)

[@PatFlanigan]

Great question! I’ve never used Luna so I can’t really say... From what I’ve read, multi-outputs from SD3 don’t seem to be supported, but I’d check the Toontrack and other plugin makers’ support sites/forums!

[@georgekiapos1]

Pat Flanigan Thanks for getting back, Pat. I know it’s doable. I don’t think the DAW matters. I just need to figure out how to write my own drum tracks in SD3 as if I was writing drum tracks with the DAW’s built drum instrument samples. I’m still open if you get a brain storm on the question. Peace!

[@ssiphomsay]

Thank you Pat!

[@Cen0byte]

Hello there! Nice video, but since i'm new to logic and SD i have some problems creating this template. I start as you did and i created 15 tracks+the primary. I route them as you did 3/4 , 5/6 etc but then in SD3 mixer it says on top that NO MICS are routed, and the bleed numbers are 0/0. I dont know what to do. Other Kits have 10 mics, other have more. Do i need to choose one kit with many mics (like EZX progressive ?) ?. I need your help and I was wondering if you could send me your template in this video via email, or if we could facetime for 5 mins in order to guide me in order to get it right! Please help and thank you in advance!

[@PatFlanigan]

Hey! I'll have to dig a bit deeper and try to recreate your problem and then try to solve it. In the mean time, try sending me your email through the Community tab or in a DM on Instagram (@itspatflanigan) and I'll send you my template.

[@Cen0byte]

Pat Flanigan [e-mail] i dont have an instagram account. Thank you very much!

[@Dmitrii_Malinovskii]

Thank you!

[@christopherrioslillo4822]

thx dude, pretty helpful

[@jimjeffreymusic]

Very helpful. Thanks!

[@duderonemillion]

Why are single miked drums (snare, kick, etc.) routed into stereo channels?

[@timearchitecture]

duderonemillion the main output in sd3 is stereo as well. This method sends the signal after the channel to a stereo logic track instead of the stereo out in the sd3 mixer. Still, each individual track in sd3 is stereo and has panning anyway.

[@timearchitecture]

In typical recording stereo channels are made for each track. Either that or they are doubled, one left and one right.

[@thedodge72]

cracking vid pat...

[@blurg7030]

dope

[@jamesrocks300mf]

thanks really helped

[@nojyeloot]

Super helpful tyvm

[@PatFlanigan]

My pleasure!

[@carloscast1]

Great video. I have a beginner's question. In the Kick In Track, the Output is set to St Out, why not Bus 1 also like the rest?

[@PatFlanigan]

That's actually a mistake on my part. If you wanted your kick to be in that Drum Buss you'd indeed want to rout it there too! Good catch!

[@turtlefeet7722]

thanks

[@hammincheese1310]

The need to route every drum mic as stereo is extremely wasteful of resources and quickly exhausts the 16 stereo outputs of a standard sized kit with 3 rack toms and 2 floor toms. I really wish there was an easy button in the SD3 mixer to route all mics as mono before being bussed to the multi-channel stereo pairs to the driver so that I can easily just bus them as individual mics in Logic. I haven't found a video yet that describes how to do this. Yes, this compromises the ability to use bleed, pans, and presets within SD3, but for those of us who solely purchased SD3 for the samples and perhaps eKit tracking and want to do ALL our production work within Logic, it seems a reasonable ask of Toontrack. If anyone has a link that can show me how to do this, please let me know.

[@PatFlanigan]

Yeah I think I remember a tutorial (from GetGood Drums) mentioning that setting up stereo channels for multi-outputs was the best way to go, at least for their libraries, yet I'm not sure they ever specified why. In an IRL session, most of the drum tracks would be mono...

[@MaartenFranken]

What I'm missing is the part that turns the midi drum channels into audio tracks

[@Liam_Doherty_UK]

I have EZ drummer, and in EZ, you go to 'track', export as a wav file. You have to do it one track at time, and mute all the other drum tracks. Apologies, if you already know this, or if it's not the same in SD3.

[@iseeu-fp9po]

1:29

[@televiewmedia6395]

Every fucking video is on how to break out the tracks and use all your mixer tracks .....like you really need to do that.....ppfffffttt! the program is WAY better to do that....period....its just stroking your ego to think you need to do that.....do it in the program

[@MissVonDunajew]

what am I doing wrong if logic doesn't recognise at all that they're sub tracks??? I don't get the 3-4,5-6 , nothing, input 1+2, that is all they new tracks say. I apologise for my stupidity, very new at this. Basically, I have to do it manually. But not sure why

[@PatFlanigan]

Have you tried creating a “multi output” instance of SD? It’s usually located right under the usual way of adding the app. That should allow you to add all those extra tracks and do the rest. Let me know if that works. I’m not in front of my computer right now so my assistance is limited!

[@MissVonDunajew]

@@PatFlanigan I did, insted of the stereo I chose the muli output 16- it does route it once I put the inputs in the new tracks manually as 3-4,5-6. But doesn't create them like that by itself.

[@EricBourassa]

does this work in Garageband? hitting "x" to bring up mixer in GB does not work. wondering if there's another way to get to it or if this feature only works in logic

[@PatFlanigan]

Oof I haven’t worked in GB in a while, but I can tell you that there is no “mixer” per se in there. You can hit “E” or “B” I think to pull up the track details and add effects, but that’s about it. You may want to try loading a multi-ouput instance of SD3 in GB but I doubt you’ll be able to assign all the tracks. Let me know how that goes. I’ll look into it a bit too!

[@ПетрКутюмов-ц5д]

Thank you!