Pathé KOK #10: Why does it exist?

[@thysmillan2067]

While I do not own a Pathe KOK (I have an incomplete and poor-condition New Premier Pathescope with the American-style perforations) I do also own a 35mm toy projector that is likely from the late 1920s - early 1930s (I'm not entirely sure). It has a 200-ft reel capacity - though I only have a single 100-foot reel for it - and no shutter, the illusion of motion being produced simply by a hand-cranked Geneva drive. This all leads up to the fact that when I received this projector it came with ~75ft of 35mm film. Upon closer inspection, the film was very scratched Kodak nitrate stock, with no soundtracks to be found (and the content, which is just under two minutes of an old Western film, has yet to be identified by me or anyone else for lack of any title information). Perhaps this a coincidence, but I think there were definitely people who used 35mm nitrate for home projection even at their own risk and sold equipment for this purpose.

[@andyvan5692]

old film stock?, I was of the impression in the latter years the British library had all of that collection digitised, then destroyed.

[@garyclark6281]

Why does it exit? Simple. Because someone invented it. Then, when it became outdated, no one bothered to throw it away!

[@danielsantos4202]

Love both your videos on the 1910s projectors. I'd love to see more videos about things of this nature. Do you have other projectors to share? I've just gotten into standard 8mm film and I definitely started a new hobby haha

[@srfurley]

There were plenty of small home projectors made for 35 mm. Most of them only ran short lengths of film, just a few metres at most.

[@vhscollector]

The Vitak, Ikonograph and Homograph are all home projectors that predate the Pathe Kok. Not to mention, all the magic lantern attachments that turned them into 35mm projectors. None of them really took off, but they were widely available to those willing to take the chance.

[@Robin-si3vw]

At first I thought that the film being used was a 28mm film made by Victor in America, since the perforations look just like those on 35mm but smaller. I certainly can't imagine why anyone would want nitrate film in their homes, although I believe Edison did produce a few early home projectors which used 35mm film anyway.

[@ottokovacs950]

Unfortunately there is no mention of the parameteres of the projection lens, and the projecting speed .

[@glockenkurvenrandgruppe]

I have no idea about the lens parameters other than that it's wider than the lens of a manually cranked 28mm projector. You can see a 28mm/35mm comparison in the follow-up video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqu3q3Ssoqyffa8 Projecting speed is up to you as the projector is manually operated. 80-90 rpm look about right.

[@rogerb5615]

An eBay seller in France has a "Pathe Rural" projector for sale that takes 17.5mm film stock .... another unusual format that must have failed in the marketplace.

[@DhirubhaiChuhan-nm5vy]

Xxxx

[@TheStig1961]

At 5:40. Avoid handling the lamp (bulb) with bare hand. It will made the life time for it short🥺. Regards Stig Österberg from Dalsbruk in Finland.

[@telefunken7230]

It is an LED lamp, not a halogen lamp, therefore unaffected by handling, however to is good practice and habit not to handle any lamp with bare fingers.

[@projectingintothepast356]

I have the 28mm version of this with films. I wonder if they did manufacture a 35mm version or just interchangeable parts like with Pathe/Pathe’scope 9.5mm machines. In a life time of collecting I have only seen two 35mm versions, yours and one on eBay.

[@glockenkurvenrandgruppe]

The 28mm and 35mm projectors are entirely different products and share only a handful of parts. I've actually started producing a follow-up video that compares the two types to each other. It should be up sometime in January 2024.

[@projectingintothepast356]

@@glockenkurvenrandgruppe thank you I will look forward to seeing that.

[@ottokovacs950]

Tell me please : What is the projecting speed of this machine ( frame/second) ?

[@robertcammack902]

Interesting video. No mention of the 9.5mm size. The front part of the KOK model reminds me very much of the old Pathescope Kid. which took fiftry foot reels with the take-up reel incorporated within the projector. I later modified this to use outside 5 inch reels. My brother and I also had a hand turned 35mm projector with which we gave the local kids film shows in the basement with the 'audience' sitting on the steps. When we found that the 35mm film made wonderful smoke bombs we soon had none left!! Alll this during the war.

[@maxjhonson4546]

We need a 3d print version

[@googleuser3110]

Not sure how this wound up being presented to me, but I enjoyed it. Thank you.

[@MrGreenBentley]

I m lucky enough to own one of these, the films are almost impossible to find though and when you do find them they costa BOMB!!

[@robertmohan9392]

Where this projector available,, am very instrested about this

[@MuhammadYousaf-yg6tw]

Great history father of old projecter

[@Justwantahover]

Like you to have shown the picture. 😮

[@Celtic_Thylacine]

I did wonder if there was a film that came with it that might help explain its origin?

[@tompsheridantsheridant7354]

GLERCKENSHMERKEN

[@meherbaba-godman7483]

💕💕❤❤💘💘

[@insighteins1317]

fascinating machine

[@normm7764]

Thank you for the video. I would appreciate some advice on nitrocellulose films. I have a number of reels of home movies, shot by my father from approx 1935 (9.5 mm Pathe) to the mid - 1960's (16 mm Kodak Safety Film). The majority is on 16 mm "Safety Film" from the 1940's to mid - 1950's. Is there any way of easily knowing what (if any) of this film stock is dangerous? Thank you.

[@glockenkurvenrandgruppe]

If in doubt, please ask an expert in a film archive or the fire department. While all amateur formats should be safe (that was the idea behind it), I am just a dude on the internet with next to no knowledge of film stock and zero experience with nitrate film. Commercial productions have used 16mm as well, and who knows what film stock they used and whether it found its way into private hands. By the way, even safety film will burn when you set it on fire, just like for example a book would. However, compared to nitrate film, it won't burn violently, you will be able to extinguish the fire and it won't self-ignite.

[@normm7764]

@@glockenkurvenrandgruppe Thanks for your reply and for the information. I will do as you suggest and seek advice.

[@ronnronn55]

Cut a little piece off the film and see how it reacts to flame.

[@robturner3065]

Safety film is exactly what it says it is- safe. The words 'safety film' were added to the edge of the film stock during manufacture, and since home movies are on first generation reversal film stock you can take it at face value. Nitrate film stock of that age would also be showing signs of degradation by now.

[@vandie9759]

i really wonder how many of the nerdy audience really noticed the difference between the e 28mm and the 35 mm ., I bet at least one recognized it in advance , someone some ware

[@glockenkurvenrandgruppe]

There's always a bigger nerd ;)

[@projectingintothepast356]

You’re own comment makes you a nerd. From a collector of 28mm.😂

[@David-ry2ir]

Hi, I would be interested in buying this projector. Regards, David

[@glockenkurvenrandgruppe]

Sorry, but it is not for sale.

[@David-ry2ir]

@@glockenkurvenrandgruppe I saw it for sale at an auction recently. Around 100 of these Pathe Kok 35mm projectors have been produced. Do you collect 28mm or 35mm film?

[@glockenkurvenrandgruppe]

@@David-ry2ir Neither nor. As a child of the digital age my collection is entirely digital but on physical media at least. I am more of a hardware collector. So far three other 35mm Pathé KOKs have come to my attention, one with an unknown serial number, the others with numbers 12 and 306, all residing in museums. Each of them seems to be constructed identically or at least very, very similarly. However, all of them differ from the 28mm versions in almost every part, if ever so slightly. They must have been factory-built. My current hypothesis is that they were B2B models and not being sold to end users. In a business(like) environment you could expect people to properly handle nitrate film. One of those projectors came with a history: in the 1920s it was used by a surgeon to show recordings of surgeries in hospitals. Where does the number of "around 100", that you mentioned, come from?