Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Eldritch Disciple Build

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[@halfvampire2]

Eldritch Disciple Build Pitborn Tiefling Lawful Alignment Str 19, Dex 13, Con 11, Int 13, Wis 7, Cha 16 Level 1 Eldritch Scion Magus, Draconic Bloodline (Green/Player's Choice), Skills: Mobility, Arcana, Persuasion, Feats: Dodge, Spells: Shield, Grease Level 2 Scaled Fist Monk, Skills: Same, Feats: Crane Style Level 3 Magus, Skills: Same, Feats: Exotic Weapon (Fauchard), Spells: Enlarge Person Level 4 Magus, Ability Boost (Str), Skills: Arcana and Persuasion, Arcana: Arcane Accuracy, Spells: Do whatever you want here (Expeditious Retreat) Level 5 Magus, Skills: Arcana, Persuasion, Use magic device, Feats: Weapon Focus (Fauchard), Spells: Mirror Image and Glitterdust Level 6 Dragon Disciple, Skills: Persuasion, Use magic device Level 7 Dragon Disciple, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Player's choice (Athletics), Feats: Dazzling Display and Power Attack, Spells: Acid Arrow Level 8 Dragon Disciple, Ability Boost (Str), Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Spells: Blur Level 9 Dragon Disciple, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Feats: Shatter Defenses, Spells: Corrosive Touch, Displacement, Haste Level 10 Eldritch Knight, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Feats: Cornugon Smash Level 11 Eldritch Knight, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Feats: Improved Critical (Fauchard), Spells: Vampiric Touch Level 12 Eldritch Knight, Ability Boost (Str), Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Spells: Stinking Cloud Level 13 Eldritch Knight, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Feats: Dreadful Carnage, Spells: Frigid Touch, Dragon's Breath, Stoneskin Level 14 Eldritch Knight, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Feats: Weapon Specialization (Fauchard), Spells: Magic Missile, Shout Level 15 Eldritch Knight, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Feats: Crane Wing, Spells: Dimension Door Level 16 Eldritch Knight, Ability Boost (Str), Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Spells: Slow, Acidic Spray, Cloudkill Level 17 Eldritch Knight, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Athletics, Feat: Crane Riposte, Spells: Scorching Ray, Baleful Polymorph Level 18 Eldritch Knight, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Feats: Critical Focus (Fauchard), Spells: Cone of Cold Level 19 Eldritch Knight, Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Athletics, Feats: Intimidating Prowess, Spells: Greater Invisibility, Greater Dispel Magic, Acid Fog Level 20 Magus, Ability Boost (Str), Skills: Persuasion, UMD, Feats: Blinding Critical/Greater Weapon Focus, Spells: Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning

[@brotherpaul1911]

Crane Wing does not work anymore with 2 handed weapons its not worth it , and neither does crane riposte . They require 1 hand free to work and only work with 1 handed weapons. It was working pre - patch 2.0 i think but not as intended. Crane style works though

[@Leonidasthegreat1994]

@@brotherpaul1911 Change the weapon of choice to scimitar and you pretty much can select both crane talents like nothing happened.

[@Jonnecy]

@@brotherpaul1911 which feats would take to replace them ?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Youre right. But I mean there is always things I can do different in the builds ya know? Hey check me out on twitch www.twitch.tv/thearcaneagent

[@bobob239]

@@brotherpaul1911 Crane is still working with 2h weapons..at least it is for me. gyazo.com/79e566a7dd1196d661c8b8957dec8e95

[@Jonnecy]

I recently tried a variant of the Dragonknight with Aasimar, but looking at your build I realized that Tiefling is actually superior; I also like how you take Dreadful Carnage early on. Great build!

[@marceror]

Nice build, but I don't understand why you have CON at 11 and WIS at 7. CON 10 would give you the same bonus, and that allows you to have Wis 8, which gives you +1 to your WIS modifier.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Because I'm stupid

[@marceror]

@@ArcaneAgent A stupid person couldn't have created such a thoughtful and solid build. So what if there's a tweak or two that could make it better. There's always room to improve. No need to be so hard on yourself. Take care.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes well typically people hate my builds so they never check me out on www.twitch.tv/thearcaneagent

[@marceror]

​@@ArcaneAgent Really? This video has 480 likes to just 10 dislikes, so it seems like people like it well enough. :) And what an odd way to plug your Twitch account . :P Personally, I greatly prefer KZbin to Twitch. Maybe the platform/format, more than the builds, are the problem. I mean people generally want to see a focused build, that can quickly give them ideas for their playthroughs. I looked at your Twitch account a few minutes ago, and saw a TWO HOUR Vivisectionist livestream build. In that livestream you take multiple tangents, even giving your opinions about the handling of the pandemic. Some of the build videos were even longer. Have you ever considered that not all online content is suited equally well to a livestreaming format? It may not be about the build quality at all. And, you're definitely not the first KZbinr to struggle with attempting to move to Twitch. Often this is a difficult transition.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Ive got 1300 twitch followers already, I play a lot of different games on twitch not just kingmaker

[@rhysvizsla9096]

This build looks fun!

[@ArcaneAgent]

Its pretty fun

[@dracopaladin1976]

nice build man, sounds and looks interesting. go on! 👌🏻 p.s.: where did you get this nice char portrait from?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Google lol

[@dracopaladin1976]

thx for the info 😉

[@Gamer4fun2u]

Great video buddy!!

[@ArcaneAgent]

Thanks man! Good stream today!

[@Demiurge13]

wouldn't the black dragon bloodline also work? Isn't it basically the same as the green one?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes

[@pierreparadis4794]

Hi ! Great build, great video, thanks ! I just don't get how you can use a Fauchard with a level in monk.. doesn't it limit you to monk weapons ?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Doesnt limit ya

[@charlesdean2781]

Random question: how do you get the enemy info bubbles with the enemy's class/ level/ cetera to pop up when you hover over them? For example, that large box you have visible at 23:40

[@ArcaneAgent]

Press y

[@escanor7938]

I love you... PLEASE MAKES MORE BUILD

[@khatack]

I prefer the 3rd edition D&D Dragon Disciple that gets an additional +4 Strength at level 10 for a total of +8

[@kevinroundsjr3102]

Why the fauchard over glaive?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Fauchard is a reach weapon like the glove, however the fauchard has a crit range of 18-20 instead of a 19-20 or just 20

[@iniside]

Noob question. How do you actually create level 20 character ?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Using bag of tricks mod and respecc mod

[@jand.4737]

I was considering if someone (maybe you?) could make a Monk/EK viable

[@ArcaneAgent]

Eldritch knights need to have an arcane caster class at some point. I don't think monks spells count as arcane, but I will check

[@jand.4737]

@@ArcaneAgent they don't, but I wouldn't want to limit in the arcane caster part of the build. Monk just does a lot of attacks -> lot of chances to crit -> lot of chances to use spellcritical

[@k.satori6502]

good to see you :)

[@ArcaneAgent]

I still post weekly, subscribe and turn on notifications

[@k.satori6502]

i was the one busy!@@ArcaneAgent

[@k.satori6502]

i'll Watch all the vid i did not later good job

[@romanpechorin4798]

dude, you kinda look like negan from the walking dead show, how about that:) anyways nice build

[@ArcaneAgent]

I have never heard that before

[@grilledleeks6514]

lawful ain't my cup of tea, but neat build none the less!

[@ArcaneAgent]

Well not many classes require chaotic

[@MurseSteve85]

@@ArcaneAgent This needs to be a thing in 2nd edition pathfinder haha

[@mcdonnyboy]

Tbh it's only level 2 you need lawful. After that just make chaotic choices and move it that way

[@sandstersnc6446]

Hi liquid! I played apex legends with you! 😀

[@ArcaneAgent]

Ah yes youre still on my friends list. Got a win today with that g7 and r301 combo!

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

Lawful Evil, fun doing lightning attacks: you should have named the character Palpatine kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnbEhZiri6url5Y He's the only one who had any love and joy in his work during the prequels. A real joi di vivre guy.

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

Harrim lays down his life just to lay down his life. Who will win? Who will survive? Does it matter to Harrim? His friends or random mooks? I'd say Harrim was the perfect nihilist but he *does* believe in something. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJCVaqysjtWZatk

[@JSTN88]

Duude, maan, broo ....gunna respec again! This build looks sweeet! And really stoked about your next move with the Archer as i am playing eldritch archer now and kinda kinda kinda liking it. Yea.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Kinda kinda liking it

[@Abhinavwl8cx]

I'm late to game, playing it before the sequel drops, and you are criminally under appreciated

[@ArcaneAgent]

Thanks man, be sure to subscribe and follow me on twitch ad I'll be making more builds for Wrath of the Righteous!!!

[@d3lsl0w]

Liquid. You gotta make a solo build for endless dungeons.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Solo, because you go so low in beneath the stolen lands

[@jefcrow3534]

Hey Liquid, could you try to make a Cleric Tank/Powerhouse?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes, cleric is on my lisy

[@Deathblow71]

Hi. Nice Video. Subscribed. Question about Crane Riposte. In this build, is the only purpose to make fighting defensively penalty -1? Do the Crane Wing deflect attacks and/or the Crane Riposte attacks of opportunity work with a two-handed build or two-weapon build? The feat text reads, "When fighting defensively with at least one hand free." I am impressed with the complexity of this game! Owlcat did an amazing job. Yes, I know there were/are bugs...

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes its only to take away 1 penalty, so you could pass up those feats

[@Deathblow71]

@@ArcaneAgent Thanks for the reply. To be honest, I was hoping the other abilities of Crane Wing and Riposte would apply in this case. I love two-handed builds. From your video, I have a new appreciation of Dazzling Display at least. Keep up the great work.

[@Yomabo]

Never try to cast fear on a fighter. They have Bravery

[@metamud8686]

Really, you should read up on how Mirror Image works, because it's not at all how you explain it. You make it sound like they always first have to hit all your images before they can hit you, which is entirely untrue. For each hit, here is a chance that they hit an image, but they CAN still hit you. And the fewer images (after some have been taken away) are left, they higher (relatively) the chance that you are still getting hit. "[..]there is a possibility that the attack targets one of your images instead. If the attack is a hit, roll randomly to see whether the selected target is real or a figment. If it is a figment, the figment is destroyed.[..]" So, still a good spell, but if you're doing a build-with-explanation and the spell is a key feature, please just take the 60 seconds to read the spell description first!

[@Ozhar1]

If I want to run regongar down this build, would you reccomend respeccing him at all?

[@ArcaneAgent]

People hate a full respec on companions, but I like to take regongar deep into either magus territory, dragon disciple, or kineticist

[@Ozhar1]

@@ArcaneAgent if you have Call of the Wild, he makes a lot of sense as a Bloodrager.

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

> Do you like dragon disciples? Personally, I don't. I think of it as a lame cheese. Like cheese whiz. To get a whole lot of ability score increases that would otherwise be off the table. I never use the dragon disciple prestige class. Not even for Deekin (sorry, Deekin, but no). But that's just me. A lot of people love them those dragon disciple builds.

[@xomox5316]

Its not even that strong, the change to dex damage from old rules makes dex builds unreal. Sure it takes a little longer to develop but its soooo much stronger.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Dex damage is amaziing

[@ArcaneAgent]

I agree, give me a wizard assassin with death attack

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

Why not Arcane Strike for the +5 damage at that level, instead of Weapon Specialization that gets a lower damage bonus and commits you to getting it from only one weapon?

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

> His damage never goes down to 19 He's a real man then. Because when you're a man, you never go down - you just stay up! www.dailymotion.com/video/xxj1zo The Eldritch Disciple even wears that $800 sportcoat, which is one of Herbert R Tarlik's old sportcoats.

[@ledic]

Any reason to take INT 13 instead of putting extra points in say CON, DEX or WIS? I didn't notice you grabbing any feat that has INT 13 as a prerequisite and 12 would give you the same amount of skill points per level, right?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yeah I just liked the 13 int, do what you want with them points

[@Dire_Strait13]

Great guide!! I’m still researching before I start my first run ever but want a fun class for my MC either a tank or sorcerer build.

[@ArcaneAgent]

One of my favorites is an arcane trickster. They can apply sneak attacks to ranged touch attack spells like ray of frost or hellfire ray and snowball

[@sohamkar1846]

Can I get the link for the portrait? It's awesome.

[@kitkami]

I just started playing this game and loving your builds but hating the fact everything seems to have monk in it so I am always stuck playing lawful. I am at level 9 of your bite/trip vivi-thingy I cant spell and loving it.

[@ArcaneAgent]

I try not to put monk in every build, rogue however...i kinda like rogue in every build. I try to theme my builds around an idea. Ive probably already said this but you should follow me on twitch. www.twitch.tv/thearcaneagent

[@kejimaeda]

Just got into the game, and was curious, is spell combat so bad in this game that it's actually better to ignore it and just go two hander instead?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Nah. Spell combat is awesome

[@charlesdean2781]

What the hell was this powerhouse lol. So op. I am now caught up on yoru vids, and subscribed, but i have a request: what would you do for a party if you were trying to clear to level 50 of the dungeon?

[@ArcaneAgent]

I had a dream last night that I used my favorite 6 builds for beneath the stolen lands

[@corro100]

Hi Liquid. My idea was a Monk/ Sorcerer of some sort. They both don't wear armor and Sorcerer spells could enhance the monk defense somehow.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Try 1 level of scaled fist monk, 2 levels of paladin, and the rest for sorcerer

[@ErnIIIV]

Is there any difference in choosing green, black or copper dragon bloodline? They seem identical.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Some do a 60 ft acid line. Some do a 30 foot acid cone

[@CrisDol]

Well, it worked for Kingsmaker. Will surely (Hopefully) work with the other game

[@ArcaneAgent]

I need to remake my abyssal eldritch scion in Wrath

[@sebastianwinkler5243]

Surprised to see you go for Grease after your last live-stream ;-) It's a cool build, and the vid is quite good at explaining the whys as well as the whats :)

[@ArcaneAgent]

Lol grease destroyed me. Does wings prevent grease?

[@sebastianwinkler5243]

@@ArcaneAgent I dunno, but it definitely should, "immunity to ground effects" and all. I've never played a winged char myself, though, because I think they look hella tacky^^

[@cameronb851]

Not surprised at all with this as a choice. Arcane's earlier stuff focuses on Fear as an earlier crowd control over Grease, but I never understood why that was. Yes, if you fear someone you get an attack of opportunity, but then you have to run after them. When grease works you get much more opportunities for free attacks as it lasts over time. You get them when they are down, when they get back up, and they are effectively movement locked. Given that enemy spellcasters favor wisdom saves over dex, you are far more likely to knock them down with grease than fear and in most fights, I want to take out casters first, if I can. Also, it can be used as a tactical trap. You can drop it where mobs are going to move to, to intercept you. You can deploy it before the fight even starts. At low level Grease saved my ass over and over against boss and sub boss fights.

[@cameronb851]

​@@sebastianwinkler5243 / Arcane Agent - As I understand it, the 'immunity to ground effects' is meant to be natural ground effects, like if you were fighting on a bunch of large uneven broken rocks. Where most races would get reductions to their AC due to the hazardous ground conditions and having to focus more on getting stable footing to fight from, a winged character would be able to take the burden of their weight, and therefore the risk factors, off themselves by kind of floating/bouncing. This is why they get the increased AC from their wings, as it allows them movement patterns beyond the typical physical dynamics of grounded races. But, it's not true flight and while they aren't going to break their legs by running unfettered over broken shifting rocks, they still need contact friction to maneuver, just like all other races. So the magical lubricant in the Grease still has a negative effect on races with wings. This makes sense if you think about it. If having wings meant you could just fly unrestrained, then any winged character would effectively become melee immune by just flying up in the air out of melee range. That would massively unbalance the pathfinder combat dynamics with one race feat selection. Wings don't allow unrestrained vertical motion or absolve typical fighting condition requirements, they just smooth out the stagger in changing increments of environmental difficulty.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Grease is just good. Heighten spell it for cheese

[@VVishq]

I do have a question, how does Dazzling Display works in latest Pathfinder patch? For me character just raises up the weapon, not actually applying it on attack. Am I missing something?

[@ArcaneAgent]

It should take you a full round to do it, so 6 seconds. If your character doesnt do it then your save is bugged

[@VVishq]

@@ArcaneAgent Thanks for answer. Dazzling Display does work, but it's just raising weapon with no actual attack. I thought I'm missing something, like the Display triggering ability to make attack of opportunity and thus, everything else, but on your videos I saw the character attacking and inflicting it, rather then just stay and wait for full round.

[@Jk-zv6tz]

@@VVishq Poop.

[@joaocarvalhos]

I think it would be better to exchange crane wing and riposte for early greater weapon focus (that will do exactly the same) and other feat (thoughness or iron will maybe). Nice video anyway. Try a full fighter 2h scythe build!

[@ArcaneAgent]

Crane wing and riposte helps with defensive fighting

[@joaocarvalhos]

@@ArcaneAgent yes, but crane wing doesn't work with fauchard, so you are basically burning a feat.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes, sometimes you have to burn feats

[@RadCommieGamer]

Could you please specify, what would you take instead of level 2 scaled fist, I would be really grateful, because I like this build, but can't decide what to take instead of monk and his feats, considering heavy investment in CHA. Thanks a bunch!

[@ArcaneAgent]

I like AC monk stuff

[@billjackson1200]

Great video and it helped me a.I am new the game,and I was wondering if there was anyway you could make a fighter,magic -user,rogue build.I use to it when I played D&D,or is it even possible?

[@ArcaneAgent]

What did you have the character do? What was his goal?

[@billjackson1200]

I wanted him to be a Jack of all trade@@ArcaneAgent

[@tehfourth]

i just found your channel today, and i really like how you present your videos. informative but with a sense of humor - thanks for the content!

[@ArcaneAgent]

Thank you!

[@MurseSteve85]

Dude, can you a build that gets the most Dr/- as possible? :D

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes, yes I can

[@blaspheed]

@@ArcaneAgent but did you? 😇

[@ArcaneAgent]

Well not yet

[@ChromaticJester]

Isn't scimitar always better for all magus builds because of the unique magus weapons? Also no Rouge or Rogue in the build its funny cause I always try to jam sneak attack in my magus characters lol. Like the more in depth explanations nice touch.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yeah scimitar is nice

[@omargoodman2999]

Scimitar is alright in the CRPG version for a Str-based Magus. But in P&P version, Scimitar was a major go-to because of a feat called Dervish Dance which made scimitar finessable and also got Dex to Damage and was often paired with Shocking Grasp because it got a built-in +3 atk against opponents using metal armor or weapons (neither of these features made the jump to the CRPG). So, having the biggest finessable, 18-20 crit weapon (eg. Rapier, Estoc) is better for a Dex magus in absence of DD feat; Estoc is a no-brainer for Sword Saint and Rapier is good enough for all other Magi.

[@ArcaneAgent]

@@omargoodman2999 oooh with eldritch arcana there is now dervish dance...

[@arcanereality7441]

is there any way to change this build that i can wear heavy armor without penalty?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Youd have to add some arcane armor feats

[@Vesimas]

Just saw this video because i'm searching a build for my first playthrough with Dragon Disciple. Wouldn't be better take Asimaar race with Wings Talent instead of Crane Wing, that's not works, and Crane Riposte?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Sure

[@Vesimas]

@@ArcaneAgent good, i'll play this build then, thankx for the video:)

[@ArcaneAgent]

@@Vesimas thank you for watching. I've got some more build ideas in my brain, here is hoping I find the time to put them in video form

[@Demiurge13]

so how would you gear this dude (armor/items) ?

[@ArcaneAgent]

With reach weapons and whatever armor he can wear

[@FerociousBlazze]

Thanks for the great build!! Have to ask though where do you get the necrotic shock fauchard?

[@ArcaneAgent]

There is a traveling skeletal salesman

[@FerociousBlazze]

@@ArcaneAgent thanks!

[@JaxBastion]

Hi, could this be used with a Quarterstaff?

[@ArcaneAgent]

I don't see why not

[@deth0s]

Hello Liquid, How about a Conan Build? I have not found a Good Barbarian/Thief build. Any thoughts would be great . Thank you

[@ArcaneAgent]

Barbarian thief sounds like a fun build!

[@omargoodman2999]

So a Thug/Barb demoralize build, basically? One level of Thug for the frightening stuff, and the rest Barb and go into Intimidating Prowess, Cornugun, Shatter, and Carnage. Human, of course, since it's Conan, and maybe go down to Greater Cleaving Finish because why not?

[@ArcaneAgent]

@@omargoodman2999 sounds like my Thug walker build, but barbarian instead of ranger

[@KRohlyPoly]

Add one level of Vivisectionist for Sneak Attack/Strength Mutagen/Rage-y goodness.

[@omargoodman2999]

@@KRohlyPoly While that would be a mechanical advantage, it's a bit 'munchkin-y' for a themed build based on Conan.

[@5686darryl]

so good man this is my favourite build, it's so fun to play. XD

[@USERANTii]

TaolfA here! Keep up the videos 😀

[@ArcaneAgent]

You left me!

[@ΘανάσηςΝίκου-ν8ο]

Is this build viable with another weapon?

[@mooseday1]

Hey Liquid, How about a Eldritch Scion Magus using touch attach spells through a Kinetic Knight's kinetic blade (Spell Strike) which costs 0 burn. Love the builds btw. Keep up the good work. :)

[@ismount]

I just like you

[@ArcaneAgent]

Well tough hehe

[@MrSteffo]

Fun build :)

[@ArcaneAgent]

Thanks!

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

i will be honest here: this is one of those builds that raise the "Ok but why though?" flag.

[@ArcaneAgent]

The real question is why not?

[@chrishicks4253]

i understand a handful of ads, but a add every 2-3mins?... really... thx for the vid but i think your milking it a bit too much

[@ArcaneAgent]

Most youtubers make a 10:02 video and put an ad up every 3 minutes. The majority of my ads are those tiny ads at the bottom of the video. Youre getting free entertainment/instruction and not paying anything other than clicking an x or skipping an ad...

[@MurseSteve85]

You could donate to him instead if you prefer :)

[@ArcaneAgent]

@@MurseSteve85 tips are always open!

[@tysoncutler3630]

There is an Elven Curved Blade in game, doesn't have the reach but is a 2h with 15-20 crit range. What are your thoughts on that with this build?

[@ArcaneAgent]

I actually have a dex based fighter with a curved blade

[@ArcaneAgent]

But I need to finish that build

[@tysoncutler3630]

@@ArcaneAgent Nice, I look forward to trying it out

[@cameronb851]

Yeah, I prefered the crit range, which is (18-20 at the baseline) and the base damage on the elven curved blade. As a bonus it counts as a dex/finesse weapon too. So you can stagger to dex rather than strength. Extra dex of course gives you AC on top of attack, but you need to burn a few feats to maximize your Dex potential (finesse just gives you Dex pluses to attack, whereas default strength builds add to attack and damage without any feats).

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yeah. Default strength is nice, but I like my dex to AC as well as higher reflex saves

[@michaelhammami8143]

I like this build, my only problem is I would like some 40-45 AC with it so I don't get hit ALL the time.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Understandable