Pathfinder:Kingmaker - Paladin Rogue

[@MrJasper609]

Str: 13 Dex: 18 > 22 Con: 10 Int: 14 Wis: 12 Cha: 16 Classes: Roge/paladin/Fighter Lawful good Skill point priority: persuasion mobility U.M.D trick perception stealth Arcana 1: rogue Thug: power attack 2: Thug: weapon focus rapier 3: Thug: Dazzling display 4: Paladin(any kind you want) 5: Paladin:(any deity you want) accomplished sneak attacker 6: Thug: skill focus Persuasion 7: Fighter:Cornugon Smash,Shatter Defenses 8: Fighter:Combat reflexes 9: Fighter: Seize the Moment(only useful if you give it to teammates as well) 10: Fighter: Improved Critical(Rapier) 11: Fighter: Weapon Specialization(Rapier),Weapon training(light blades) 12: Thug: 13: Thug:Wings,Critical focus 14: Thug: 15: Thug:Stagger Critical,Fast stealth

[@MrJasper609]

I was wondering if you are still going to do the crafter build?, if so Asimar Bard gets a lot of arcana if you give him 16-20 inteligence becouse bard can add half its level to arcana(except thundercaller)

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes

[@blob1024]

Do any summon / minion count in terms of flanking and opportunist feats?

[@piotr2951]

Which feats would you replace to fit Outflank or seize the moment ?

[@BryantPR1]

I wonder if i can make this build in WotR

[@war1980]

Things every build has: 1. Levels in thug 2. dazzling display 3. dreadful carnage 4. high persuasion

[@ArcaneAgent]

You forgot monk dips

[@wlira3]

@@ArcaneAgent monk bonus to ac should have the same limitation that the sword Saint uncanny dodge has. These dips are cheesy and boring.

[@ArcaneAgent]

I agree. Cheese can be boring, but if we werent all looking to do a little bit of amazing stuff, youd see club wielding melee wizard builds with 0 intelligence

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

@@wlira3 That's why Duelist Prestige Class got changed between 3.0 and 3.5; originally you got the whole AC bonus up front so people would take that one level dip. It was changed to have it be doled out in dribs over each level, with the result being that nobody played the Duelist PC anymore. Devs seem to have learned nothing, tho. While I agree it's cheesy it's hard to decry a build-optimization for taking advantage of what the rules allow. Otherwise it's not optimization. That said, I do avoid some cheese in the things I myself actually use. But I also have a standard of never deliberately gimping my character.

[@halfvampire2]

7:55 Cornugon smash only affects the target of your attack, not the 30ft burst from dazzling display. There is a feat that does dazzling display when you kill someone called Gory Finish, but its not in the video game currently.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Dreadful Carnage

[@halfvampire2]

@@ArcaneAgent oh wow, I didn't know they had it under a different name, thanks

[@ArcaneAgent]

I try

[@keithlovvorn813]

Cordigan smash only demorilizes the enemy you hit, it doesn't activate dazzling display, Dreadful Carnage activates dazzling display on kill

[@neutralus3035]

I'd love to see a build for a Druid/Alchemist that focuses on melee combat with natural weapons (Bite/Claw).

[@ArcaneAgent]

Melee druid tiefling bite alchemists

[@neutralus3035]

@@ArcaneAgent That would be cool. I was thinking either a tiefling or a gnome. Both have positive and negatives though.

[@ArcaneAgent]

I do know that tieflings bite doesnt work in shapeshift

[@doberspirit]

Would bite work in shapeshift for barbarian? I was considering making a Druid/Barb "warewolf" focused on self buff and shapeshift, maybe with a level or two of a monk.

[@neutralus3035]

@@doberspirit Not sure. I liked the Druid/Alchemist mix because the alchemist gets all those chemical buffs you can add. I believe they should work with a shift but not 100% on that. A level of monk may also help but not completely sure whether flurry of blows works with claws.

[@nsellos]

When I just dip for 2 Lv of Paladin I usually take the archer one, you don't lose anything and you have precise shot for free.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yeet

[@bjorn7556]

More builds please man! Lloving all your characters, making me try all sorts of different playstyles. 😂 My latest goal is to make a witcher build

[@ArcaneAgent]

New build monday

[@kevinroundsjr3102]

Where does this guy get these bad ass portraits for his avatars.

[@ArcaneAgent]

lmgtfy.com/?q=pathfinder+kingmaker+portraits

[@thecombativemedic521]

What about going two weapon fighting and getting 2-3 more attacks? Just a thought I had.

[@ArcaneAgent]

You could, but it would take away the fun of that shield!

[@thecombativemedic521]

@@ArcaneAgent lol fair enough. By the way you are the most interactive KZbinr I have ever seen. I love your channel and more then earned my subscribe!

[@Jonnecy]

How can you have Bewildering and Disorienting Injury active at the same time ?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Level 10 rogue feat, double debilitation

[@Jonnecy]

@@ArcaneAgent oh, right, missed that one (not that far yet with my char); thanks!;)

[@pmarreck]

Have you ever played Tyranny? I'm picking that one up again for a playthrough and I think you might enjoy the mechanics, in case you've never tried it (it IS a 2? or 3? year old game, now, though)

[@ArcaneAgent]

Whats it about?

[@pmarreck]

Basically, when the game starts, a bad guy (or gal... it's left open) named "Kyros" has already won power over everyone (before the game even started... very unusual/interesting premise, for starters!) and you have to deal with some combination of battling, uniting, or joining a handful of different factions (there's multiple paths through the game, it's very replayable as aligning to any faction changes a LOT of things). You got the Disfavored, who are basically "lawful good", the Scarlet Chorus, who are basically "chaotic evil" (although none of this is explicitly stated, just the same archetypes as in D&D), those are the main 2, but there's a bunch of others. Combat is similar to PF:K in the sense that abilities take time during a fight and you can pause and issue commands anytime. It uses dice rolls on the backend (inspectable combat log, just like PF:K, so you can see how things went down and why) and similar to games like Pillars of Eternity 1/2 (who are made by the same guys, although I like Tyranny the best), higher skill level in something means more crits and fewer misses in that thing. BUT THE BEST PART IMHO IS THIS: A rather deep craftable spell system, which I've never really seen in any other game before save for maybe Elder Scrolls Oblivion? It's fucking rad, frankly. Probably the most unique mechanic of the game.

[@dandini0698]

@@pmarreck disfavored is lawful neutral at best, and more realistically lawful evil from d&d standpoint. But since they dont kill indiscriminately they are the "good guys" in that universe. Thats the point of Tyranny, in that world evil has won, and you start your campaign in the last place in the known world not being conquered by that culture.

[@levidupont6633]

I love this build!! SO MUCH DMG!! Best part is that you call it a "Paladin" Rogue build. Lol Clearly this is a Rogue Fighter build with Paladinal tendencies. 😂🤣 Its like you made a Rogue fighter stew with a hint of Mrs. Dashs' Paladin flavoring! Lol I absolutely love all of your builds, tho. Keep it up! Would love to see some off the wall build, like a Slayer/Magus or a Dark Elementalist/Archeologists.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Slayer magus sounds fun!

[@dpkkmr424]

A inquisitor rouge build would be nice. Can that even work?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Everything can work, if youre brave enough

[@Jonnecy]

yay, finally found a build that actually allows heavy armor lol

[@Ozhar1]

Except it's still sub-par lmao

[@ArcaneAgent]

Imagine heavy armor being better than wisdom armor, that is a future I could vote for

[@daedalusdreamjournal5925]

and yeah for 14 in sneeze ... I mean intelligence xD

[@ArcaneAgent]

I'm just glad people enjoy my trash humor

[@nikolalukarski5524]

When you go with +14 for sneezes they don't stand a chance.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Haha I just laughed in staff meeting

[@wap23]

i laughed so hard at that one

[@michaelwallace5368]

How about if going solo going for great cleave. I hate that I have to hit the button each time, but I hit them with dazzling display then great cleave and watch 2-5 fall down. lol I mean I am already hitting their touch AC, why not? I have also been playing with monk having dazzling display (unarmed strike) and great cleave, but I find it lacks in magical prep spells.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Great cleave and cleaving finish are pretty great for solo

[@Mystra]

Can you do a Paladin-Ranger build? I think it's pretty strong

[@ArcaneAgent]

Its on one of my lists

[@stevenwoodward8184]

Loved your builds, why did you quit.?

[@ArcaneAgent]

I haven't. Got busy with real life, I actually had a build scheduled for today, but I realized how bad it actually was and didnt post it

[@kylemorgan3082]

Would be cool to see a build for solo runs. There arent very many at the moment.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Solo trash builds incoming

[@MuppetLord1]

Curious but if not just 1 level monk dip better so you won´t have to use armor and thus get better skills? :)

[@ArcaneAgent]

You could use monk if you want

[@sebastianwinkler5243]

Nice and effective build, Liquid :) I have to admit I'm torn, though - on the one hand it's cool to see what's possible to do in this game, on the other hand there are so many things wrong with this build (and most other "built-for-efficiency" builds) that I would never play it personally^^ How is it even possible that a rogue can be lawful good in the first place, and a thug at that!? Why in the nine hells would a rogue, and a thug at that, then "dip" into a lifestyle so contrary to his own, why would he be allowed into the fold by the faithful, why would his chosen god continue to protect him after he went back to being a thug? XD It really is fun to watch these videos of yours, and I really hope you do keep them coming, but if I was your DM, I would shove this character up a thanadaemon's ass faster than you can say "but the rules allow it" ;-)

[@ArcaneAgent]

I've actually played a lawful good paladin rogue. A rogue that used his rogue skills for good only. To break into a mansion, he had to get a warrant for entry first etc.

[@sebastianwinkler5243]

@@ArcaneAgent You're probably right. In a PnP setting you would be able to play out and make sense of a lot of what seem blatant incongruencies in a limited computer game setting. Your choices would come with consequences, and they would impact what you can and cannot do and how. It's the lack of such consequences in games like PFKM that make it impossible for me to suspend my disbelief in the game world, which is ultimately what I am playing rpgs for. To each their own, of course, and, for the record, as I said before, I do enjoy your build videos quite a bit anyway :)

[@slaffkoAS]

Did you hear about Robin Hood? Or Jánošík from Slavic mytology/history? I am sure there is more good rogue / thug characters across many cultures.

[@wap23]

Some builds with sorc summoner!

[@JMorr-rh9ui]

I know that this comment is a little bit late, but please, don't stop doing videos, ok?...your work is great

[@ArcaneAgent]

I won't. I'll be making some more as soon as I blow through the main campaign in Wrath of the Righteous

[@haroldgodwinsonshouldhavew3875]

what armor are u using for this paladin

[@ArcaneAgent]

Dang I have no idea, this was 5 months ago

[@stephaneboyer4286]

Hey thanks for the builds, how did you get the portrait, did it come with the DLC?

[@MrUself]

Black Dragon Knight .... Use heavy or medium armor ... Staff, polearm , great axe , 2 handed weapon .... Use acid ...turn into a black dragon ?????

[@ArcaneAgent]

Cheat detected

[@Amadeo790]

For some wierd reason, I cant use paladin spells.

[@ArcaneAgent]

You need wisdom

[@Bansheexero]

Cornugon Smash only demoralizes the target, not AoE. As an avid Pathfinder 1.0 PnP player, I am sad they did not include Bleed damage (Wounding, Belier's Bite, Bleeding Sneak Attack, etc.) or Deadly Stroke, which the whole Dazzling Display/Shatter Defense builds into in the PnP. For reference, Deadly Stroke deals Constitution bleed, which is ridiculous. Of course, it requires you to focus on Fighter, since it requires Fighter specific feats. Weird they added teamwork feats, but not the Cavalier class or, it's alternate, the Samurai which drops the teamwork feats to allow for Fighter feats. Also strange they have Vital Strike, but not Furious Focus, which for two-handed weapons, it negates the attack penalty for Power Attack for the first attack in a round. It combos for some really good focus damage (and makes Power Attack much more useful). I'd like to see a blaster mage build if you find any inspiration for something interesting (also, without mods, since I am on PS4).

[@ArcaneAgent]

I will have to make a no mod blaster sorc then

[@AustinMerfeld]

Keep up the good work!

[@Bakeyasha]

maybe some kineticist stuff next?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Maybe...

[@Bakeyasha]

@@ArcaneAgent I'm asking this 'cause you like to throw some good Rogue levels into the mix... and I'm curious if this would work or not :)

[@daedalusdreamjournal5925]

yeah; some more liquid fun!!! (grabs a beer ... no ... a cup of tea better to be clear minded for this) ;)

[@ArcaneAgent]

Must stay woke

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes use magic is gangsta

[@yeaimapirate]

Im out here trying to find a good Jaethal build still. Love her but she just seems to suck

[@waynetaylor3353]

Try building her more as a sorcerer, with the Necromancy emphasis, better defense, immunities, and ranged attacks with certain meta magically enhanced sorcerer spells I find is really helpful.

[@Tristan.lastname]

Oh my goodness. I did no know you had a youtube too.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Who

[@ArchAngelThomas]

This is a Thug Fighter. Not a Paladin Rogue.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yep

[@pmarreck]

Another great one. You get towards the end of the game yet to see if these builds are viable? :) (I imagine you could always snag an endgame savegame from a willing volunteer if you don't want to have to, or simply don't have the time to, play it all out... since you're just focusing on mechanics) Also, you took party feats but then didn't show the party fighting together to show off those feats! Let me guess: Rogue-not-rogue Kineticist next :)

[@ArcaneAgent]

Its difficult to show those off in a video

[@pmarreck]

A lot of pausing and examining the log to see who hit what when and for how much :) I would have been entertained by that at least, because I'm freakishly into exploiting mechanics like you are lol You're not boring to watch, you could pull it off lol. (I guess you'd then also have to go into compatible builds for NPC party members, but hey, if you need ideas for new content... some other people actually play these games for the story lol... me, I play to become an OP sonofabitch!!) Also, forgot to mention, you're hitting lower-level enemies in this vid, try picking on people your own size! >..

[@ArcaneAgent]

Hehe more ideas for videos

[@pmarreck]

Plus you then get to link back to your other content ("see my Valerie OP-AC defense build overview here" ) and create your own ecosystem

[@ArcaneAgent]

Ecosystem. This build is at the top of the food chain

[@daedalusdreamjournal5925]

heyman, long time ,no see, hope you're okay and just busy with life. don't be afraid to give some news, good luck ;)

[@ArcaneAgent]

I'm glad you guys still check in on me. Ive been working on some real life stuff, and I do have a list of videos I need to push out. I am currently working on a Touch Attack only build

[@danrebeiz4598]

So............ where ya get your portraits? You have a couple I haven’t found yet but like. Ok, now to watch the rest of the video. And since proper pronunciation mitigates my OCD shivers, Rapier = Ray Pee-er. Like someone you wouldn’t want to stand next to in the men’s room if you dig.

[@ArcaneAgent]

I googled high res fantasy portraits. No one wants to stand next to a rapier in the bathroom

[@JAMalambalambalamb]

Battlefield control, please.

[@affex4k871]

I added you on Apex nice video tho i liked

[@ArcaneAgent]

Ah there ya be!

[@klemann35]

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[@flippingmaster1878]

Still waiting for fortnite and black out

[@ArcaneAgent]

Blackout knife montage