Pathfinder Religion Guide: Agathions and the Agathion Empyreal Lords

[@justingraves1291]

Always a good day when more MythKeeper Lore is dropped ❤

[@TheMythKeeper]

🎉🥳🎉

[@adamlatosinski5475]

In addition to the planned video on azatas, you may also make want to give some information about other native inhabitants of celestial planes: petitioners, garudas, peri, elysian titans, and other that I've forgotten.

[@TheMythKeeper]

That's a good call out. I mention these all in my Outer Planes: the Heavens videos but I could provide some additional detail as I do with the Empyreal Lord subtypes here.

[@ColinGrym]

I'm not sure how I missed the initial upload of this video, but I'm going to blame BG3-marathon-induced brain fog :) Better late than never though, and I'm always on board for planar content. I must admit I had a harder time getting engaged by this episode, but that's a fault of content and personal inclination as opposed to your delivery. I'm rarely hooked by anthropomorphized animals as an artistic style, and a lot of Agathion themes appear to be pastoral, contemplative, and reactive as opposed to proactive. While I have no doubt that embracing Agathion ideals would benefit any good-aligned society, it was hard for me to find compelling adventuring hooks like I do during your other videos. I feel like the tenets of Nirvana make for better NPC ideologies than PC ones, with the exception of redemption at any cost which might make for an interesting PC mindset (although possibly exhausting to actually implement in an adventure). I suppose I'm simply more excited by the forbidden and fantastical than farming and meditation. I've come away thinking Paizo could stand to rework Agathions/Nirvana to make them feel more like a significant, proactive force in the universe and less of a model for successful urban planning lol. They seem reasonable, necessary for a functioning nation-state, and regrettably dull. As always though, I appreciate the care you put into your work. Although this content was never going to be my favorite, I continue to enjoy your delivery of Pathfinder lore. I'm about to go enjoy your new video on the WotR game locale which was my introduction to the Pathfinder IP and so will likely resonate with me a lot more :)

[@TheMythKeeper]

This is such a nice comment! I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Worldwound is a good one, I think you'll enjoy that one a little more. As always I super-appreciate the support.

[@sa-sy5no]

This is such a fun 'corner' of lore to learn about. Really enjoying your series on religion/extra-planar beings. Thanks for putting out such high quality content each week!

[@TheMythKeeper]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@agsilverradio2225]

🤓Actually, Narvana is on the "edge" of the allignment chart.

[@agsilverradio2225]

20:27 I just realised, that Loris is literally the God of Disability Survace Animals! (How did I not notice that before?) ... 6:03 Meanwhile, I think my impulsive liberator champion of Horus, would feel kinship with the badger agathians. (He wouldn't worship them, but he could easilly become fast friends, or perhalps friennemys, with one of their kind.)

[@TheMythKeeper]

You know I had not put that together for Loris untl you just said that. Now I feel dumb. Of course that's why he's a doggo!

[@samakdus]

Looking forwards to this a lot!!!

[@TheMythKeeper]

Yeah, my Empyreal Lords series has a surprisingly devoted following. I'm loving how much feedback I get on these videos.

[@burningbronze7555]

Right on que, also thanks for the long video playlist.

[@TheMythKeeper]

No problem, any time ;-)

[@ELCare86]

Always a great way to learn more about pathfinder.

[@Christopher_Pug]

Pathfinder already has moth-people?! But I thought that was *MY* original idea! "Agathia" is a genus of moth!

[@Christopher_Pug]

Oh...I spoke too soon. None of these seem to have anything to do with moths. Ondisso looks like a moth person but their sacred animal is a bee? Well OK then -- mothfolk are back on the menu, boys!

[@alamantraAR]

Hey Mythkeeper! any chance for a video about Alkenstar?

[@TheMythKeeper]

I'm writing the script to my Alkenstar video as I type this...

[@LontEnCaras]

The depiction of Ylimacha looks like a secretary bird!

[@OldGreyGryphon]

So, Gulovals are just Wolverine the character taken at the most literal level? I like it.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Pretty much!

[@agsilverradio2225]

Maybe; but the version of Wolverine I'm familliar with, is technicly chaotic good in my book. Of course; this may be diferent depending on which interpritation of the character your going with? Marvel Cannon is pretty confusing to me, because of the whole "multiverse," thing.

[@agsilverradio2225]

Eritreice reminds me of the PBS show, Between the Lions.

[@TheMythKeeper]

You're out of my depth here 😅

[@agsilverradio2225]

​​@@TheMythKeeper It's a tv show about a library, ran by amphropromorphic lions. That's all you really need to know to understand the reference.

[@israelmorales4249]

nice!

[@icefyer2]

This is cool. In PF2e I'm planning on playing a nephilim gnoll bard that's got some vulpinal in him so he's got very slight foxy features and an abnormally large bushy tail for a hyena.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Love it

[@icefyer2]

@@TheMythKeeper Yep. Just waiting for Player Core 2 to see what they do with gnolls in that before I start playing. I'm hoping they give a lot more usable feats. Right now gnoll is rather feat-starved, having half or so the feats the core ones like human or dwarf do which sucks and makes it hard to fill up your ancestry feat slots. Like I'd love to use Right Hand Blood, but as it is it's worse than a 5-gold starting healer's kit.

[@user-uo2bj3rd6b]

мне понравилось ! лайк и комментарий , для алгоритмов ютуба =)

[@nicholascerillo4000]

Great stuff as always

[@agsilverradio2225]

I've noticed that: the -good planes like creature names that begin with the leter "A," -morally neutral planes with the letter "P," and -evil planes with the letter "D." However, patitioners, and interestingly the lawfull-neutral plane, seem to buck this trend.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Just call them the Paeons and the Pinevitables!

[@agsilverradio2225]

​​@@TheMythKeeper Lol! Just an observation. It dosn't really bother me though. Just a coiecidence. Maybe the aeons assume law = good, but it's probly just a coiencidence.

[@TheMythKeeper]

@@agsilverradio2225 - I have no doubt that Aeons consider themselves 'good' beings. They're purpose 'protects' the universe by keeping it in order after all.

[@chavesa5]

Good content

[@TheMythKeeper]

Thank you!

[@frederickgleicher1385]

Such an excellent resource ! Thanks Mythkeeper ! I do wonder if you intend to do Rakshasa ?

[@TheMythKeeper]

Absolutely, its on my list.

[@MusMasi]

anthropermorphic wolverines sound like the most terrifying creature in existence!

[@TheMythKeeper]

They're loyal and friendly to goodly types however

[@TOUGHEYES]

I'm going to give them slings, axes, and property rights to a forest settlement somewhere in Andoran or Cheliax or Taldor. This is gojng to be funny.

[@agsilverradio2225]

Scarier then biblically accurate angels?

[@agsilverradio2225]

If my champion ever met one, they would likely become fast allys and friennemys; They have similar values, but would get under each other's skin for being too alike.

[@sambisa_forest]

You're the best, can't wait for demons ;)

[@TheMythKeeper]

Very soon now ;-)

[@edwardchytil8868]

Good stuff🎉

[@agsilverradio2225]

Eritreice's backstory be like; She the one lion who ain't lie'n!

[@Simyonovich]

Wonderful, as usual! I was wondering if you had touched on Couatls or their place in the good-aligned planes? I have a player who wanted to follow one of the Mexican-themed gods; specifically Cihua Couatl, and the information available online is very thin. I'm trying to use a Couatl messenger that's gone missing to explain her character's arrival in Absalom from far Arcadia

[@TheMythKeeper]

I haven't yet, but if you're looking for resources one of the books from Tyrant's Grasp features a good Xopatl gazetteer. Also you may want to check out my video here on the channel on the Western Mwangi Expanse, because there is an Inner Sea nation (Senghor) that is essentially a remote Xopatl outpost. I talk about Senghor in that video.

[@loap4634]

How will you handle PF2e Remaster new lore?

[@TheMythKeeper]

It really depends on how extensive it is. The most likely thing is I will produce a "lore conversion" video in which I explain things like - all references to Aboleths are in fact references to Alghollthu, all references to Kytons are references to Velstracs, all references to Drow are actually references to Dark Elves and so on. If there are more radical changes (like changing the number or configuration of the outer planes) then I will do some additional videos to accomodate.

[@Christopher_Pug]

Lorris is hilariously yoked for what his domain and affinities are 😂

[@agsilverradio2225]

6:53 Hey, it's Tom Nook's fammily! Tell Tom Nook I said "Hi." (You'know, 'cause they are benevolent, libertarian-capitalest, humanoid racoon-like creatures, surrounded by a community of mostly other humanoid animals. They even have the tanuki's shape-shiftiting abillitys! They must be related to Tom Nook!)

[@viorp5267]

huh, heaven but for furries

[@TheMythKeeper]

😂

[@DCM68W]

imagine waking up there by mistake

[@yaelz6043]

So just hell then?

[@agsilverradio2225]

​@@yaelz6043 I don't mind the company of furrys, but I don't want to be forced to take on a fursona myself.

[@agsilverradio2225]

21:09 I would allmost argue that Ondisso would fit better in Heaven than in Narvana. Self-controll is assosiated law in my mind, where as impulsiveness is assosiated with chaos. (Which is weird, because alot of the Imperial lords I tend to see as more chaotic-alligned than the lore considers them.)

[@TheMythKeeper]

I was waiting for your regularly scheduled Empyreal Lord review on this vid ;-)

[@agsilverradio2225]

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​@@TheMythKeeper 😅Lol. ... I do think I found a good canidate or two for my uber-nerdy Wizard to warship. He's currently agnositic, but is searching for a religion he can get behind. ... (His D&D encarnation would warship Mystria, except that he trusts her like a programmer trusts a tech company; which is to say "not at all, but he's dependend on her power.") ... Anyways, Hadrian Spencer now primarilly warships Eritrice and Irez: Godess of open-discorse and free-speach, and Godess of divination-magic.

[@TheMythKeeper]

@@agsilverradio2225 - you know I had a feeling the Agathions would be closest to your vibe based on previous postings. I'm really curious to get your take on Pathfinder's Azatas as well. Shouldn't be too long now before they come out. Also I can't help but mention that there is a patron demigod of agnostics and atheists among the Psychopomp Ushers ( pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Phlegyas ). There is something delightfully pointless about a god for atheists. Who worships her?

[@agsilverradio2225]

​​​​​​​​​​​@@TheMythKeeper Edit: This comment is outdated, because I switched to Serunre, due to Horus' allignment being incompatable with my champion's as far as warship goes. ... "A God of athiests." If that isn't a oximoron, I don't know what is ... Now, my Liborator Champion of -Horus,- Serunre does have to deal with the conundrum that Horis is mainly warshiped by culture that still allows slavery, but also warships -good- holy alligned Gods. ... I guess that could make an interesting moral delima and/or an ambitious goal for that character? (Perswading that naion to fully imancipate their slaves, that is.)

[@agsilverradio2225]

​​​@@TheMythKeeper I'm calling it now; my problem with Elisium will probly be that it's not *wild* enoguh for a chaotic-alligned realm, compared to D&D's chaotic-good outer-plane of Arboria. ... Simularly, I think Mechanus seems more intersting than Axis, so think my world will homebrew Mechanus to be some sort of factory district within Axis. I plan to do the same for the city of Sigil.

[@namelesssomebody2557]

.....these are just the Dev Team's fursonas. 😂