Patreon Exclusive | 41 Dugg

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On this Patreon, Joe decides to give more space to Ice and Ish after facing backlash from fans saying he wouldn’t let them speak on the previous
episode. The crew spoke about Marvel movies and their pandering to different ethnic groups, video game restriction in China, and the contrasts with America’s irresponsible amount of freedoms that the crew feels might eventually be the nation’s downfall. They raise the ante even more so in speaking about the obvious problems incapitalism in that the common enemy is not white or black people but the ruling economic class. They would later speak deep and respectfully about religions and what they do or do not believe personally, hinting at all of them believing in a certain sense of karma. They closed out the episode talking about Jay Electronica and how Joe is supposedly a Jay Electronica hater.
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[@HottTVToronto]

“Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” Napoleon

[@niquenique709]

👏👏👏

[@zerosenpai2874]

Aye I can’t lie I’ve been loving the Patreon drops on the main channel, I don’t really care about the music so it’s dope to have these extended talks about random topics.

[@tekkadawn6685]

Like you just walk around outside NOT caring about music?

[@ericmayfield8027]

Time to go to patreon!

[@ToreezyTheLoc]

Me too especially Joe's boring RnB's takes that nobody cares about... he needs to stop fr.

[@ERICDIZZYASMR]

@@ToreezyTheLoc big facts. Joe annoying with the R&B takes. He’s a hip hop head who doesn’t pay it forward to the young bulls coming up.

[@metaLungiez]

@@tekkadawn6685 If you're a hip hop head, there's not much reason to care about music. Lyricism is dead. Hell, rhyming is dead.

[@daem9167]

Nobody: Ice: “Ti still calling Atlanta Wakanda” 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@DrewCantDrive]

All these patreon drops I'm gonna have to go subscribe to it now. Way better topics

[@cindychelsea]

It wasn't Lion king - it was Hamlet. The Lion King is basically a retelling of Hamlet.

[@kwestionme5241]

Even then Disney stole it from Japan lol

[@pierre-4]

@@kwestionme5241 wouldn't that mean the Japanese stole it from the British?

[@kwestionme5241]

@@pierre-4 well depends cause elements of it can be seen in the bible with stories from Saul in the old testament soooo lol. But I agree

[@zallen05]

@@kwestionme5241 and even then, the story takes from the Egyptian story of Horu and his vengeance of his father to gain the throne. Destiny seems to be the common part.

[@kingjonesthe1st]

This one particular thread just goes to say that perhaps none of these take from any others it’s simply a very common / generic story … from the Bible , to British literature, to Asian literature, to Disney to marvel … it’s like saying every movie where a child gets kidnapped all copy one original story … but no , that’s just a very common story arch … in this case the whole , king dies , son becomes king , family member is the bad guy … is just a very common story arc

[@chicob.3906]

Ngl, Joe envisioned the pod to be like this from the jump. Mal and Rory were great but you can see the separation. With Ice and Ish there is more familiarity that makes the chemistry much better

[@CMO1061]

I agree… these conversations have more legs on them today than in past years. Joe can literally sit back and let Ish go off on his own, with no help, for a whole topic… and it’s interesting and followable. It wasn’t like that man… it’s a shame we can’t have the best of both worlds, but I wouldn’t trade this lineup for the old one if I had to

[@B1LEY]

@@CMO1061 I was jus thinking that

[@StinceVaples]

🧢

[@thecircle2662]

Mal sitting there talking about "Nah that CRAZY" 20 times an episode

[@miiluvjames4709]

@@thecircle2662 😂😂😂

[@stephenatwater2830]

Love when joe lets ice and ish speak 🔥🔥🔥

[@kluv2g1]

Black Panther has existed since 1966. The timing might be pandering but the story was already there to some degree.

[@khourydouglas2955]

As a comic book fan, I sometimes get upset with these comic talks when they dont know certain things but Black Panther was partially pandering. Shang-Chi was not however because all the movies are based on the comics so 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@beast0716]

Tell me about it 👌🏼 Joe is not a comic book fan so when it comes to super hero’s he need to shut up 🤐

[@khourydouglas2955]

Yea I dont want them to do any more comics talks. Because Shuri does become Black Panther in the comics, Killmonger does become king in the comics,

[@ericmayfield8027]

I’m glad someone said it. I get the lion king comparison tho

[@khourydouglas2955]

they purposely did it like that for the movie by making killmonger and tchalla cousins, however killmonger did win and was king for a time in the comics

[@Hendrixxx9427]

Nobody expected a Shang-Chi movie tho my guy 🤣 Marvel announced that right in the middle of the “stop Asian hate” stuff. You know what they was doin haha

[@Bfreee239]

Pertaining to Ish not knowing the proper gland. It’s the “pineal gland” ❤️‍🔥 lovin the content fellaz 💯

[@OGKRGee]

Somebody tell Joe that Black Panther 2: Wakanda Forever has a tentative release for November 11, 2022

[@chrisp.baykahn51]

the Black Panther superhero came out in the 60s... So actually those movies followed the Black Panther blueprint

[@kingme5977]

Yup during the civil rights era therefore they have been pandering. They decided to do a full motion picture during a time where black people started to embrace and unapologetically be themselves

[@ItsHiKey]

Jesus man I wish Joe would be less close minded to the topics Ice & Ish be bringing to the table , that Jay Elec verse was a different level.

[@RB82684]

💯💯💯💯

[@rascalmania]

Imma say this: Ice really has been the pod mvp these last few episodes. Mans kept spitten facts tonight 💯

[@djsecuritee2073]

Ice sounds high lol. The lion king came out 30 years after Black Panther

[@rascalmania]

@@djsecuritee2073 lol 30 yrs.. I see you ain't get it, but I'll say this. I know and I'm sure some others know - the plot of Lion King and Black Panther come from ancient stories passed down in black culture - if you know, you know. (Asar, Aset and Heru story of black peoples ancient egypt- both loin king and black panther and many other movies use this plot)

[@JtheNomadProductions]

You spelled Ish wrong lol.

[@GVMBITxxx]

You meant Ish lol he been holding it down with his takes

[@kimberlyjohnson651]

Ice is my favorite

[@PotentDaRockStar]

My 10 dollars on Patreon goes a long way when it comes to this Pod, I get more enjoyment off of the JBP than I do my Netflix subscription. 💯🕵🏽‍♂️

[@LordSmiththegod]

Then your not even looking for great content but love Jpd.

[@PotentDaRockStar]

@@LordSmiththegod nah, most things on Netflix are boring , drawn out , regurgitated shows or movies I've seen all before. Don't get me wrong they have like one good series a month if that , maybe one or two movies a month I could rock with but the pod is the pod. Plus they Droppin 7-10 hours a week of new content. You gotta give respect where it's due. 💯

[@darnelldarden9429]

Same

[@LevonAllen13]

That’s pretty sad considering there’s actual educational material on Netflix. I can’t imagine the bulk of my days listening to men talk.

[@PotentDaRockStar]

@@LevonAllen13 lol I can't imagine replying on random men's comments as a man looking to try to shame them for supporting something they rock with, but that's just me. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Sebastos_LLC]

These recent Patreon uploads are the best, I prefer these topics honestly. Welp, guess it’s time for me to go over to Patreon and support. Also, just a quick correction, Karma doesn’t happen to you in your present life it happens to you after your rebirth. If Joe stole from Parks and something bad happens to him later in his same life, that’s not Karma. Karma is if Joe stole from parks and then something bad happens to him when he is reborn (i.e. being robbed, birth defect, orphaned, etc.)

[@MCCABEWORLD]

Very wise words from Ish! I see you got a lot of deepness & spirituality in you my brother, great! 👏Everybody should check the book the master key system.

[@carboncrowns32]

Im waiting for them to make these type of discussions a segment in the pod but i think their afraid of offending people which won't allow them to speak freely and i get it. I enjoy hearing topics about religion and spirit and the cosmic and etc. U can tell its their bag because how tuned in they all got while conversing on it lol I wish they were able to talk more free about stuff like that. I know for a fact it would bring a different audience that would tune in just to hear them shoot the shyt about it.

[@spidaman2475]

Great job by showing the patreon content. More ppl will sign up. Its worth it. Whoever isn't signed up is missing out

[@JonDoe-jh5pp]

I’ve been paying for the FAMILY tier of the JBP Patreon all year… worth every Penny 🚫🧢

[@marticehawkins5374]

I like how Ice called out the comparison between Black Panther and The Lion King. I always said the same thing about Avatar being Pocahontas

[@curtisg2727]

🎯

[@AmazingJayB51]

All stories are re told anyway so I’ve isn’t being on some Genius shit. Plus, the BP follows the comic

[@maine_nyc4588]

Yo black panther was lion king 😨😨…. I’m mad high right now 😂

[@myinnerchild]

Ngl the more grown topics is what jbp needed, the music shit can only last that long cuse when u break it down it’s all drama, fabricated headlines and promos, no one makes cinematic music anymore so this is what’s needed . Definitely getting the pateron ☝🏾

[@derekkennedy5063]

Pod wayyyyy better with these 2. Ish be lighting his ass up and giving a real perspective on shit

[@ImSwiftLy]

Joe calling himself 41 Savage is NUTS 😂

[@ccwitdahoodie]

“See, you’re still not good with accountability” 🤣

[@52Devil]

for anyone unaware its only $5 for patreon for one exclusive extra episode a month. deff worth it

[@051bdkira9]

These are actually good joe might have to get the patreon

[@darnelldarden9429]

They drop 2-3 extra pods a week it’s well worth it to me. Only problem is the layout and app suck

[@alniter1919]

Same thing wit me when i was younger my grandmother would make me go the church and i started askin too many questions that she couldn't answer and she just let me stop comming.. my other cousins was mad aF cause she still made them go

[@MIent1313]

4:32 and the Lion King is Hamlet 😂 we BEEN retelling the same story

[@helinsaid]

Ish has always given me major muslim vibes so when he said that he grew up in a christian household I was shook. Like he said, it may be bc many of his friends are muslim and that’s where he’s gotten the islamic words he be throwing here and there ✨

[@str8pr0duct]

@26:09 Parks calling Joe the karma chameleon is hilarious

[@richmonchantzes]

Absolutely

[@kassinahuey9521]

ISH mama is Pentecostal!!? I knew we had a connection lol!!

[@keyceandreas9254]

Killmonger burned all the black panther shit with the plants in that garden in the last movie, so technically whether Chadwick passed in real life or if his character died in the films, it can’t be another Black Panther anyway.

[@blackmcbain3145]

You really think they don't have a secret farm of that shit? Thats like USA putting all the patriot missiles in one silo out in Jersey right before the hurricane, come on son

[@CleansHaven]

Welcome to the MCU

[@keyceandreas9254]

@@blackmcbain3145 They could, but I was more so saying they don’t have to just never mention T’Challa and the Black Panther again since Chadwick passed because they have a reasonable write off with the Killmonger thing. T’Challa dies from whatever, Killmonger torched the fields so no Panther, boom Black Panther chapter wrapped up.

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

That's an age old storytelling trope, that story didn't start with Lion King.

[@shenellrichardson4936]

Isn’t it hamlet or something or I’m trippin

[@CMO1061]

I don’t think they were implying it was the lion king that came up with it… just that lion king is the most popular and known version of the trope in modern times

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

@@shenellrichardson4936 I haven't read Hamlet in ages 😂

[@broabc66]

This was the best episode to me. Love the free thinking thoughts on life. Love this episode

[@Homestyleforduc]

Did you catch the no feet line Ish tossed out and Joe reaction 🤔🤣🤣🤣😂

[@kingtoby9851]

Ish been killing it 🔥

[@stashlomain]

This Podcast is 100 times better with Ish & Ice We dont miss those other 2 Dudes 💯

[@Sayitaintjake]

I’ve never seen the South Park episode, but I just pictured butters in heaven running around smiling saying “this is great”

[@HeyTorey]

This episode was great too!

[@ashleyb6656]

So in other words, I need to get patreon to listen to Ish. Ice gets busy too! This was a great conversation and honestly I feel like these robots is about to be the modern day story of Yakub

[@seissyy]

parks: who was pumba and timon Ish: the sister lmaoooooooooooo

[@AyiroVision]

I like how Joe sits back and really listens to Ish and Ice and let them cook. These conversations are so dope. Mal and Rory, even though I rock with them too, could NEVER talk deep like this.

[@KariFromYoutube]

Yeah that’s why I stopped watching. Very surface level commentary

[@HoldUpTheSun]

I really enjoyed this episode.

[@0hMyGandhi]

I've been looking everywhere for the Sofia Stewart story and can't seem anything other than a Snopes article debunking it.

[@TheArtistCollective]

Yeah they were spreading false info. The lawsuit was a real thing but it got dismissed years ago, she never won

[@samueldawkins]

snopes is compromised biased garbage.

[@0hMyGandhi]

@@samueldawkins do you have sources to back that up?

[@juombe]

@@TheArtistCollective It's one of those things where publicly you will not find the case. Remember we're talking about powerful men in Hollywood. They paid her but you're not going to find the docket. Unfortunately this happens a lot of times where it involves the government or in this case powerful men in Hollywood who have connections with the government.

[@vicayche9388]

2 things: The 'push back' on the Karma argument is "if karma is real, then tell me why good things happen to bad ppl & bad things happen to good ppl EVERY DAY?" The pineal gland is the "3rd eye" Ish was talking about.

[@kaenanricketts1502]

I’ll take it a step further Karma has Ppl living in fear same way with Christianity. We talk abt karma when ppl do wrong and say the universe gonna get you. Then when ppl do good things we say you shouldn’t respect a reward it should be the kindness of ur heart. Karma doesn’t reward ppl for doing good things?

[@cameronestrada2857]

What ice is referring to about the lion king similarities has to do with the heros journey its pretty generic story of manhood and the removal of the sense of self and having to remember where u come from. Classic story outline

[@kingjonesthe1st]

Pineal Gland is the word ish was looking for around the 33 min mark … pertaining to being calcified due to our eating habits , smoking or drinking & blocking some of our abilities , such as being able to self heal

[@gw40]

14:30 Ice is 100% right. That’s why I don’t put all my belief in science because it’s based on what humans know of right now. The information that we thought was truthful could very much change at any given moment.

[@dazza818]

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand the basic principles of science.

[@PathIsntReal]

@@dazza818“you guys made statements that you previously thought were true, but through the scientific method you realized you were wrong and corrected your mistakes. So through your choice of having objectivity in your own studies, I BELIEVE, with no degree, that you guys are wrong now” 💀 Nonsense lmao.

[@ReppinCTandATL]

Lemme guess…you don’t believe medical science either?

[@PathIsntReal]

@@ReppinCTandATL they’ll damn near listen to anybody but a person with a degree.

[@michaeljimerson9021]

@@dazza818 Exactly!!!

[@4MERTA_7M]

I think it’s the words plus the flow with Jay electronica, he has a nice flow and picks particular names and verbiage to go with the flow plus the knowledge that attracted people. And i don’t even really listen to him, that verse was hard

[@Awsme_J]

Ish is the best thing to happen to this podcast because he’s older than joe and so naturally joe seems like he has a different level of respect for him so ish can check him or call him on bs and he will kinda listen

[@Jaysuave365]

I feel like they weren’t aware at the time of recording this people couldn’t even see the movie in China because the movie was literally banned…

[@OGKRGee]

They never heard of Shang Chi before....and before that, spread false info about the Matrix lawsuit. That lady lost that lawsuit. she didn't get any money

[@Byrdpeterson07]

I be riding with Ish but Black Panther and Lion King correlation by Ice was spot on.

[@Corijion3]

Yooo y’all got real deep on this one.. not even deep fr but fr felt like niggas was in a different dimension rq😂

[@godbody8219]

Always Gone LIVE! The reason why I'm so fascinated wit The Matrix trilogy is bc I saw the first Matrix when I was living in Germany 1999

[@megamarcx84]

Funny how they tried to reduce Black Panther to Lion King when Lion King is essentially "Hamlet" on the Serengeti

[@thecircle2662]

sorry, most niggas haven't studied 17th century literature

[@justinpruitt5370]

Now that I think about it Black Panther Might Have Went Off Of Madagascar lol

[@seanodom285]

I’m glad that Joe is cracking muffins and everyone who jumped ship are starting to fade in the sunset! His short clips are going neck and neck with their whole podcast. I said what I said!🥶

[@lynx90s]

No lies told

[@JJSmurk]

Simple Joe, In the comics the sister became black panther, and for whatever reason Wakanda rehabilitated the winter soldier to become the White Panther LBS... (In Captain America: The winter soldier, the black panther was chasing the winter soldier too. And in one of the extra scenes of Black Panther it was revealed that they rehabilitated They winter soldier ;Bucky Barnes.) So they can go either way but from the spoilers it sounds like they are going with is sister.

[@Jaysuave365]

Thank you man ! Joe swear he’s read comics for years and is up to date on this shit then he’s never heard of Shang Chi in his life 😂

[@Jaysuave365]

And they had released the Wakanda Files comic showing Shuri trying to create new ways to use the black panther herb that was burned by Kilmonger in the movie

[@JJSmurk]

@@Jaysuave365 I hadn't heard about that one yet...But man sometimes I feel like Joe gives fellow Virgos a bad name. We not that stubborn and in our own world that we dont attempt to see the other side.

[@guardian7568]

@@JJSmurk yes y’all are promise you that dated 2 virgos y’all really don’t care about people like y’all proclaim y’all might really care but y’all stick on yourself so much you don’t know how other people feel

[@witchdoctor813]

Joe wants Jay Electronica to drill music lmao.

[@moutonnoirnewyork8768]

Ish was in his medieval bag…..😂😂😂😂

[@jackiedallas6797]

What Jay Electronica verse are they referring to?

[@OrdnryChristian]

Yeah I disagree. I believe that Marvel should recast the role of Tachalla because it’s bigger than just the mantle of Black Panther or Chadwick Bozeman. Even Chadwick addressed this issue in the past. We as black people have such little representation in movies and Chadwick even recognized that I believe

[@OrdnryChristian]

Also we can’t act like recasting is something new look at Harry Potter with Dumble door, Spartacus, Superman, the joker, the list goes on and on. But when we finally get a black super hero ( the only one of any real significance in the MCU) we just get rid of him? Nah… we can find creative ways to keep Tachalla alive and pay respects to Chadwick

[@Redolentleek]

Hahaha the ending was perfect

[@lswift49]

Fuck it I’m getting patreon . I been wondering why the show hasn’t gone deep. I’m in

[@kaofounder]

One more thing, to say Black Panther was a Hollywood rehash is like saying every gangsta rap song is the same. Or every r&b song is the same. Or all urban music is the same.

[@ToreezyTheLoc]

Thank you Sir! Niggas be so freak n hard on blqck creators for no apparent reason. It's very distasteful.

[@akimbah]

The best pod in the planet is back let’s go

[@ghettotoglory6485]

10:30 The Black Panther title is held by a worthy Wakandan (pause) lol wakandan sounds pausy lmao

[@asiahogan7607]

I can’t wait till I get to the part that explains why this episode is called 41 Dugg 😭

[@mikesmith7136]

To be fair Lion king is Hamlet by Shakespeare, which is a story told time and time again especially by disney.

[@shenellrichardson4936]

That’s what I thought, which is centuries old

[@Juscallmemav]

Ish is talking about the pineal gland

[@KariFromYoutube]

The lady who claimed to write the matrix and the terminator wrote neither and never won the case lol NEVER listening to ISH again

[@swayzeetv9962]

Joe never needs to talk about marvel movies again

[@craiggee4356]

What's crazy, is Shang chi was dope af 😅

[@B4dafam]

Ish, the black panther is a movie based on a marvel comic book series called black panther. Similarities to the lion king be damned, the movie followed the comic books script

[@keynaribrown4027]

Killmonger was kinda Simba AND Scar. They shouldn’t talk comic books on here lmao

[@camronjones3232]

what Jay elec verse are they talking about?

[@thisizamra]

25:50 what Jay Electronica verse they mean?

[@SOSLightshow]

this is the one that'll get me to pay for the patreon if i do

[@Stratagee6]

Ooo adding cartoons??? That was unexpected

[@ghettotoglory6485]

Like Min 8:30 Joe you buggin , They showed Chad made love B. The show must go on. You fired Rory to in empty chair and he was ya mans (pause) Im Just Sayin

[@shenellrichardson4936]

😭

[@mphenomenal]

10:15 Hopefully Joe knows that Black panther is a title. There have been many

[@kaofounder]

Damn I got anxiety listening to Joe being wrong as hell on the Marvel segment. If only more people knew how it took a drastic hierarchy overhaul in Disney and Marvel brass for Black Panther to happen. Pearlmuter (sp) would not let that movie or any female led movie be made because the general thought in Hollywood at the time was, and still is, that a big budget film with a black cast is a failure waiting to happen. Hollywood is extremely bigoted on a executive level. The nerve of anyone to come in after Black Panther hit a billion in a week and pretend as if people did not have to fight to get it done.

[@Tiaquisha]

The Boys was Poddin’ Poddin 👨🏾‍🍳

[@migsmalone9391]

Did ice watch lion king? or black panther?? Lmao

[@yoblkraps8954]

We back

[@kingdavid4971]

They cooking on this one

[@bljacks5]

What's the electronica verse?

[@MykwWayne]

You the only one who put suc and Cumb together 😂😂😂😂

[@jordanwaller4211]

What jay elect song ish talkin about?

[@daeshawnhumphries5250]

Joe that term is cause and effect. You’re right.

[@rickycandler2181]

That lady didn't win any lawsuit unfortunately. It was all internet BS.

[@calvinblack530]

It's because she wasn't stolen from

[@QualittyTimePodcast]

I agree with Ish at around 25mins on religion and spirituality

[@franktorres6610]

For anybody who doesn't know ish is pretty much saying he's ominism which is the belief that not one religion is 100% correct but they all have truth to them

[@victorandrew646]

I do think marvel did move on after Chadwick died pretty quickly, but you gotta understand that there’s an entire cast and crew members behind the scenes who need to get paid. If there’s no movie at all no money can be maid to pay these people

[@draenation265]

Exactly. Joe should definitely understand this

[@srwllamray2359]

Kilmonger in What If..

[@nobodyexceptme7794]

The Lion King thing is funnier because Shang Chi was def a black panther knock off but Lion King as a whole was jacked beat for beat from the Japanese cartoon with the little white lion. But what was really sick was the black ppl going around like that boy Chadwick was actually a King of black ppl and even weirder when u see how he ended up playing so many black hero figures in so many movies across his short life. Like there are plenty of black actors yet somehow he got every major black icon role from Black Panther to James Brown to Thurgood Marshall to Jackie Robinson and Floyd Litttle......but the universe so crazy he wouldn't have had a career if it wasn't for Denzel making a donation he wasn't thinking twice about....predestined or one helluva a butterfly effect?

[@TheMachinesWon]

Shang chi been a comic bruh

[@justwesclipz]

Wasn’t Wesley lol that’s his dopple

[@husslewestbrook4813]

It's nasty when you realize Disney got the Lion king idea from Kemba the white Lion. It was some super old anime I think