Patrick Mahomes & Josh Allen are the 3rd evolution of QB, talks Rams-Bucs - Colin | NFL | THE HERD

Colin Cowherd shares his biggest takeaways after watching the performances of both Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen in the Kansas City Chiefs' overtime win against the Buffalo Bills. Watch as he breaks down why what we saw in this divisional round matchup was the third evolution of the NFL quarterback. Plus, Colin talks the Los Angeles Rams' win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and whether the Rams' choices both in and offseason were validated by the victory.
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Patrick Mahomes & Josh Allen are the 3rd evolution of QB, talks Rams-Bucs - Colin | NFL | THE HERD
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[@teddroberts2918]

No

[@barrettsuniverse]

Why would we watch Skip Bayless?. He's literally the worst sports pundit on the planet.

[@rickyboo4310]

@@barrettsuniverse hes too bias.

[@billpowley5882]

Think we all know whoever won the coin toss was going to win that game. KC/BILLS going to be a battle for years to come. Josh Allen just became Elite. Loved seeing Stafford win. Well deserved

[@jmroz311]

exactly. Collin is just wrong here. Andy Reid did nothing for how many years? He gets bank roll and top talent at WR, TE, and QB and decent RBs and now all the sudden he is the best thing ever? No - they have an amazingly expensive offense. Just like when he said MJ and Pippen. That team was stacked too with talent. Who does the Bills have on offense beside Steffon Diggs? literally nobody anyone knows. And it came down to a coin flip.

[@realj1214]

@@jmroz311 your goofy.. Andy Reid has always been a winning coach and has gotten his team's to the play offs and championship rounds 90 percent of the time. He's top five win percentage all time behind Don Shula and Bill Belichick.. He just needed a QB and a over all team to win it all. What coach in history has won with out a good team and QB besides the 01 Ravens? You sound utterly ridiculous and foolish.

[@josephdees6929]

@@jmroz311 nah i think andy was just missing a qb. he’s done more with less and now that he has more he’s showing he can do as much as any great coach. he’s def top 3 and that’s why all this is happening. belichick had what most would call the goat and no one seems to factor that in when talking about his ability as a coach so we have to be consistent whenever andy finally gets talent surrounded by the exceptional brains he has as a coach

[@jmroz311]

@@realj1214 the point of Colin video was super bowl wins so that was my context

[@gein2287]

Yep. Both teams were exhausted. They put it all out there. So whoever got the flip got the game. I'd like to see end of regulation the kickers have a shootout. Move the ball back until someone misses. It's called football afterall. That's drama.

[@alex__2265]

The Bucs putting a safety 1on1 with Cooper Kupp with the season on the line might be the worst defensive playcall I have ever seen.

[@mongoosemcmongoose2786]

Nope. Gregg Williams (dc of the jets) sending the house in a cover 0 vs the raiders, giving up a Hail Mary loss

[@orbball5962]

How the Bills handled the chiefs with 13 seconds was pretty ridiculous.

[@josephrusso5588]

@@mongoosemcmongoose2786 absolutely agreed

[@88wildcat]

I'm waiting for the GIF of the two Spider Mans pointing fingers at each other Todd BowlesLeslie Frazier style.

[@brettbodie9191]

@@orbball5962 So many of kansas city's big plays are yards after catch so to give that team so much room to operate was a defense playing scared. I agree with you.

[@lavishtalks1708]

I remember we had a similar discussion in 2012 about the evolution of the QB position (Cam, Kaeprenick, Luck, RG3 & Russell Wilson were all young and dual threat QB's)

[@acedeuce1000]

Cam and kap , were never great passers. Luck and rg3 had injuries that hurt their careers. Russ is the real deal. Mahomes is the real deal. Allen looks the part so far

[@gutspilla7822]

How many Super Bowls combined have those guys been to?

[@JP-ld6nx]

@@gutspilla7822 4

[@nwagner643]

As elite as Russell Wilson is, (he’s the closest to Allen and Mahomes) the arm talent, ability to avoid sacks and scramble are not on the level as Mahomes and Allen, who most experts (and people with working eyes) say have the two strongest arms ever in the league. Same with there feet: there are things that Mahomes and Allen do running AND avoiding sacks that make them more of a threat than Wilson Allen’s style of running may different from guys like MICHAEL VICK (how’d you not name him but name Luck,RG3 and Kaprenick?) , RG3, Wilson, Mahomes or Lamar, but he’s still elite! He has a Derek Henry style of running instead of a Vick, Lamar or Randell Cunningham style. He’s a big, fast, physical guy with smooth moves. Mahomes is illusive in a backyard football sorta way that’s harder to describe. His last second escapability is elite, yet it’s hard to describe. His style of illusiveness looks so smooth and effortless that, after the initial shock and awe, you notice how oddly natural he made it look. That aspect of his illusiveness: when he escapes the inescapable in a way that looks unnatural, and yet he couldn’t look more natural doing it…..in a backyard football kinda style, timing me off Barry Sanders. Not saying that Mahomes runs like Barry. Just saying that he has a similar backyard, instinctive, feel to the way they dominate. Now, when it comes to the act of actual running, Mahomes waddles, isn’t exceptionally fast or pretty getting from point A to B, and looks nothing like Barrry. I’d even say that Wilson is better at the act of running than Mahomes, but Mahomes’s ability to avoid sacks and escape are far better than Wilson’s. As these young qbs, only 26 and 25 yrs old, get better and continue to refine their combination of elite running ability to go with the strongest arm in the history of the league, they appear to have grown into two huge juggernauts that are approaching a level that is completely unstoppable. When these two raw talents reach their full potential AND increase their CONSISTENCY, then I believe that effect that these two will have on defenses around the league, forcing them to completely change the way they draft, plan and pay D, will be more of a shift than what Brady and Manning caused. Definitely more of a soft than any of these other QBs you named

[@33moneyball]

No...Kaepernick/RG 3 were briefly very effective because NFL defenses hadn’t adjusted to the Read Option...neither developed into even average NFL passers. Luck/Wilson were both awesome but have very different styles/bodies/pedigrees. Allen/Mahomes look like the two most electric players in the history of the position. We already know Mahomes is a HOFer with a possible second ring this year and Allen has developed into a player who’s every bit as good.

[@anthonyblakely399]

People forget how mental Pro Football is!!!! Each of these teams: The 49ers....The Bengals.....The Rams.....The Chiefs......all of these teams ...every player of these teams......mentally who stubborn about Loosing....they refused to let their faults or mistakes....loose the game for them.....they were mentally resilient and determined to win....and DID!!!!! Purely mental!!!!

[@collegewifi5024]

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[@andreg1048]

Patrick Mahomes: 18,991 Career Passing Yards 151 Career Passing TDs, 37 Int 66.03 Career Completion Percentage 1,189 Rushing Yards 50-13 W/L 7-2 Postseason record with 4 afc championship appearences, 3 possibly 4 AFC championships, 2 possibly 3 SuperBowl appearences, 1-1 in SBS, SB MVP, MVP. Josh Allen: 14,114 Career Passing Yards 103 TD, 46 Int 2,325 Rushing Yards 39-21 W/L 3-2 Playoff Record 1 AFC championship appearance, 0 AFC Championships, 0 SB wins or Appearances, 0 MVPs.

[@jacoblott4002]

This has to be one of the best weekends for football I ever seen !!!!

[@aaronafre1920]

Absolutely

[@Boomi_Dog]

Nah

[@jacoblott4002]

@@Boomi_Dog troll. Get outta hers

[@DGreat-nk7eu]

Don't care how u feel about him but Michael Vick definitely was a evolution changing QB ❗ we had never seen a QB with that type of speed and arm strength.

[@smittyj383]

I feel Lamar took that Vick type QB to a totally different level . I would say Cam also made a difference in culture of mobile QBs too

[@SteveSmith-br3vu]

@@smittyj383 Vick was a better thrower than Lamar. Lamar is a good elusive athlete but Vick was better over all qb

[@aldoalzaga9641]

Yet, neither of them became the prototype Qb every GM is searching for. Which is exactly what Colin was referring to...

[@snowmanO07]

But he was more of a one off than a generational evolution for the game. Lamar is the first truly reliable like Vick since Vick, that’s almost 2 decades. If Tyrod Taylor, Vince Young, RG3, and others sustained success, you’d have an argument!

[@smittyj383]

@@SteveSmith-br3vu No he wasn’t that was crazy Lamar is a way better passer

[@Ryan__C98]

Man I don’t frequently agree with Colin but that first segment was really really good. Whoever got that ball first in OT was gonna win though

[@inst4rmin.x4_onYT]

Same for me 👍🏼

[@janrobertching8391]

Naa u can say that about mahomes I don't know about Allen. Fantastic game by both regardless

[@stevenh3508]

Allen led to 4 punts and Mahomes only 2 against the #1 ranked defense......your logic is flawed. Not to.mention it was only in OT because of KC kicker missing kicks, not anything Mahomes or Allen did.

[@Ryan__C98]

@@stevenh3508 not discrediting the chiefs man.. both teams played amazing.

[@milkyfernandez5505]

@@janrobertching8391 yes we could. You saw him on that 4th right?

[@dominichooson7308]

Josh Allen is on par with Mahomes abilities. He should be in the conversation for best QB in the league.

[@Trandview]

As soon as he gets some hardware we will see...

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

He was so impressive I’m willing to put him at 2 right now but mahomes just has that slight edge for consistency rn cuz the bills should’ve had that 1 seed but Man U see these 2 rn are absolutely talent wise on a different planet

[@ap396z]

He is in the conversation wtf? Resume is the only thing separating them at this point

[@reggie7408]

When he gets some hardware, it’s honestly be like 50-50 Mahomes-Allen. But Mahomes got the nod for rn. These two might end up being the greatest rivalry in nfl history

[@dominichooson7308]

@@Trandview if the coin flip landed in his favor he'd be getting hardware this year bro

[@jackwoods9604]

Josh has played OUTSTANDING in this Years Playoff games...He went absolutely BANANAS in last 2 games...He was just EXTREMELY Unfortunate yesterday at End of game....He Suffered similar fate to Brady...Both ended up Losing standing on the SIDELINES with mere "Seconds" remaining in Both games...WILD Weekend

[@stevenh3508]

Were it not for the KC kicker, OT isnt even in the cards....not cuz of anything allen did.

[@bensinger2261]

@@stevenh3508 as an unbiased saints fan Allen was a lot more impressive than Mahomes last night. Both played incredible though

[@superdopehiphop]

@@stevenh3508 because he missed a 50 yarder in playoff game? The best kicker ever is 2-4 from 50+ in playoffs and misses 30% of them in reg season (Butker similar). 50+ yarders outside in a cold playoff game are 40-60 to 60-40 at best coin flip.

[@scottroush3866]

@@bensinger2261 how is that? Mahomes had more passing and rushing yards. Mahomes led them downfield to tie the game against the supposedly best defense in the NFL. Allen played against the JV defensive backs in the 4th Quarter. Yeah Allen looked so much better......NOT !!

[@kbirdmontgomery8181]

@@scottroush3866 Mahomes air yards was like 4.4... almost all his yards came from Hill leaving people in the dust. Mahomes is great, but Allen has more raw talent and was more impressive last night.

[@birdie5846]

mahomes, as soon as he came into the league, was the new generation of qb. the way he played was never before seen.

[@jeremytaft8247]

As soon as he started. Cause he did sit out of half a year or a year learning under Smith I

[@newagain9964]

@@jeremytaft8247 please. As if he Learned anything from smith...maybe who the coaches are.

[@jeremytaft8247]

@@newagain9964 He learned a lot from Smith actually if ppl wana be ignorant about it that’s on them it don’t change the fact. If Mahomes was doing this from the start he wouldn’t have sat out a year.

[@connorwelch6265]

@@newagain9964 Smith actually did take Mahomes under his wing. He talked about it a lot at one point. Mahomes is no doubt better but I would bet Smith was a big reason Mahomes was able to come into the league and set it on fire. There's a lot to be learned from experience and wisdom.

[@ryanc9888]

Jeremy Taft Kliff Kingsbury deserves a lot of credit for Mahomes success, it was his pass first offence and creativity that started it all for Mahomes putting up 5,000 passing yards etc, Andy Reid has put in many plays from Kingsbury playbook including Mahomes 2 most favourite from his days at Texas Tech

[@auburnmann3630]

ENTJ Cowherd! I love his way of thinking and explaining! Never-ending metaphors and pattern discernment.

[@JeffreyB1983]

Elite QB duels is why NFL will tweak OT so both star QBs get on the field.

[@REVIVALFitness]

🎯

[@philiprandleas8264]

it should but they won’t because it’s more money to have more game time on the program

[@just-a-guy9857]

@@philiprandleas8264 it’s bad for the nfl. You gotta earn this. You lose the coin flip whatever🤷🏾‍♂️. Go get a stop instead of relying on your qb every single play. The Ravens lost everyone this year (bad luck just like a coin flip) it didn’t stop them from fighting they almost made the playoffs. Plus low key Allen looked like he emptied his tank Mahomes looked like he was just getting started. Football is won in all 3 phases offense, defense, special teams. Changing the OT rules is just trying to sell tickets so that highflying entertaining offenses get more time. At that point just invest in offense. Defense won’t even matter

[@shardzz-2660]

@@just-a-guy9857 The problem is last night was purely luck. You say that about the Bill's but if the coin landed the other way you'd have to say the same thing about the Chiefs. Defense most definitely matters. Defense is what stops you from getting to that point, neither team had that last night

[@shardzz-2660]

@@just-a-guy9857 You say it's bad for the NFL and it would make defense useless. But I didn't see anybody saying that before they changed the rules to what they are now, I dont see anyone saying that about college...

[@acebailey2478]

I think there was another evolution you missed. The wave of mobile guys as common franchise QBs around 2012-2015. Andrew Luck, RG3, Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, etc.

[@orbball5962]

Damn good point, that was an era for sure.

[@TruthDissident]

None of those dudes put their defining mark on the game.

[@slimetotingz3172]

No that wasn’t evolution Randall Cunningham and mike Vick were already those types of qbs and they weren’t good passers they were really run first and Andrew was always hurt josh Allen and mahomes are the perfect package qbs big mobile can make every throw dead eye of a arm

[@jakeulrich2069]

@@TruthDissident Russell Wilson has

[@jakeulrich2069]

@@TruthDissident Russ is the reason why baker mayfield was drafted number 1

[@lukeyaple5949]

Mahomes is already hated and generally rooted against in his fourth year as a starter to the extent Brady was by his eight year in the league. Haters might wanna settle in and wrap their heads around it now. He is the new Thanos of the NFL. Inevitable.

[@Barmourchavez]

Best player I've ever seen.

[@harrystafford455]

‘Cant see Rodgers losing to 49ers’

[@joeljohnson6137]

Man lost 2 playoff games at home back to back seasons an this one he had more rest than the 9ners

[@iSpeed64]

Forgot he was on special teams

[@MrJreed1000]

Wow.. this was very well constructed .. great segment

[@skpjoecoursegold366]

Mahomes is like a shortstop playing quarterback.

[@djdeff1]

Well......

[@nopeteys2424]

He is, literally he was drafted to the MLB as well but chose football

[@connorberglund7032]

He was a pitcher

[@CmPunkRulez45]

Literally what does that mean?

[@joshuateter7418]

The best quarterbacks are baseball players. I have been saying it for years. Most short stops and 3rd baseman can throw at any angle with lots of pop off the wrist. Plus they throw facing the player not side profile.

[@ricocheteraw90sthebestdecade]

If your big chuncky, tall, big arm strong colin will get googly eyed if you walked in the room on him🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@codyphinney9256]

Allen earned that respect. Allen made Him eat crow after constant disrespect. For example (Offseason headed to year 3 Allen Makes top 100 NFL players) “Allen isn’t the 86th best player in the NFL, I wouldn’t even put him in the top 200”. And the fact EVERYONE INCLUDING 1/4 of bills fans said Allen is a Bust. So get outta here with your statement because its got ZERO facts to it. Allen>Mahomes

[@matthewm7487]

@@codyphinney9256 it's because Colin doesn't know anything about football. He wasn't high on Mahomes either, and still isn't.

[@ricocheteraw90sthebestdecade]

@@codyphinney9256 wth are you talking about...I said nothing about your boyfriend Josh Allen..relax im talking about Colin's forever infatuation with big chuncky Qbs ..lol I named nobody you fanboy

[@personreanimation]

Mahomes is amazing, but damn so is Josh Allen.

[@leo29hornsfan]

Josh will get his ring. It just wasn’t meant to be this year. But he turned into a tier 1 elite QB and the whole nation saw just how scary good he really is. Mahomes managed that clock better than perfection and saw the defense give him the opportunity to tie it up with their schemes they called which was borderline boneheaded by the Bills DC Leslie Frazier. He cost Josh Allen hoisting the Lombardi trophy next month. But all in all this was a game for the ages.

[@legochickenguy4938]

this game was the football equivalent of a monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

[@fisherstrong6]

Brett Favre during his Super Bowl and MVP runs was talked about not only for his arm talent/arm angles was also highly regarded as a quarterback who called his own plays akin to Johnny Unitas

[@truuee9016]

With that game Stafford made up for the last 12 yrs and then some. Having the stone balls to go for those throws after the team fell apart, priceless! Brady remains the clutch King but too many weapons missing, and that Dline+ Von Miller was just too good. Brady is still MVP over the low interception guy.

[@natanl]

agree w all that except arod deserves mvp. better regular season team + better statistically

[@miketime4290]

He single handedly removed all the doubts in one game

[@stonecoldsteverharvey7862]

@@miketime4290 still lost

[@miketime4290]

@@stonecoldsteverharvey7862 Stafford didn't lose

[@PaulThronson]

"Clutch King" Tom Brady has fewer game-winning drives than Stafford and Stafford has the best QB rating for the season in the second half. Just seemed like a counterintuitive bit of trivia.

[@anthonyhaun1990]

John Elway did this type of stuff against the Browns and other AFC opponents in the playoffs, carrying the Denver Broncos to 5 SB appearances and back to back titles, 6'3" fast, rocket arm(Less stats because teams just flat out ran the ball more back then). If you could clone Elway and just have him grow up 20-30 years later, he would be a Superstar in this league.

[@siamcharm7904]

so would brady.

[@randypeaple8533]

You’re right josh allen is a superstar

[@DirkyDigg54]

I knew Colin was gonna bring up post snap after talking to Sanchez last week 😂😂

[@chrislamb559]

You Couldn't say it Any Better Colin. A+++++

[@beatzbye]

So captivating and convincing. @ColinCowherd is arguably the best that ever did this or at least in this generation.

[@matthewburdette248]

I make fun of him a lot but he is the only show I still listen to, I love him

[@danielhuynh9368]

@@matthewburdette248 I'll be honest. He's the only traditional media I honestly listen to. He's flawed but at least he tries to proper sports analysis. The rest of the people I listen to are Barstool and some KZbinrs.

[@averageatbestva]

He’s not perfect by any means but I do give him credit that he’s able to admit when he’s wrong, he gives credit where it’s due and while he has some biases just like any other media personality, he doesn’t let that cloud his judgement entirely.

[@eastgate6134]

Yeah this was very refreshing take. Its good to have this type of analysis in todays sports media.

[@davidb1975a]

This was the game of the ages for sure... I woke up this morning with an emotional hangover. GO CHIEFS!!!

[@itstime3723]

Ty Cowherd I was saying it all day yesterday one has a great coach and is great. Together they are a perfect fit...

[@LegacyFlash15]

“Mahomes goes into many slumps” has literally only had one slump his entire career.

[@orbball5962]

Ik they talk like he’s been doing it for years.

[@samholder196]

crushed that the Bucs got taken out after that insane comeback, but if it had to be anyone, i was very glad it was Stafford.

[@stephfandouglas454]

One of Colin's better takes that I can remember

[@rluellam]

Maybe the best segment I've heard Colin do.

[@zacblair9854]

I think the rams bucs game was hugely determined by mcvay his aggressiveness was the difference he said "we might be stumbling fumbling bumbling our way through this game so far but I trust my guys to get it done with 30 seconds." It took arians off guard when they got that sack they expected them to stand pat and kneel but mcvay shocked him and it led to the game winning points

[@Ston247]

Kansas City missed a field goal and an extra point but still continued to take "big swings" when possible. They gambled big and won big.

[@semtex234]

Stafford and the Rams did what the Falcons couldn't do against the Pats, close out the game and get the dub. Also that snap over Stafford's head reminds me of the Manning one when he was in Denver

[@joeljohnson6137]

Matt Ryan hasn't been the same since

[@robertogarza8960]

@@joeljohnson6137 Hes still been a solid qb

[@robertogarza8960]

The rams where starting to fail Stafford but hes got guts, and won the damn game. Proving the doubters wrong.

[@joeljohnson6137]

@@robertogarza8960 Solid but team is bad

[@joeljohnson6137]

@@robertogarza8960 Rams play callin was too conservative.. Whoever does the Rams play callin coach or coordinator need to let Matt throw more deep balls.

[@chrisnikolaou3916]

Love how every segment he sneaks in a baker diss😂

[@alorotams2070]

On point.💯

[@jessebunnell6442]

Greatest segment ever!!!

[@andyinoregon]

So many years of John Elway's career were squandered by the heavy hand of coach Dan Reeves.

[@stephenshortt427]

I am not a betting man but if I was I would nearly 100% guaranteed that if the Rams would of let that go to OT they would of lost. Brady's second half nearly proves that. The Bucs came back so you know damn well Brady WAS NOT losing that if you give him just one more chance.

[@davidkeen4972]

I am sorry but lets say this did in fact go to OT and Bucks did not recieve the ball first. Rams win. And if the bucks recieve I seen field goal at best. Rams win with a 6 play drive. Tom was bad. Again 4 lost fumbles and still win is more impressive. Tom is old that O line and recieving core beat up......lets not forget the bucks are 0-4 in the reg against a div rival and they were healthy at that time.

[@orbball5962]

The bucs came back because of 4 turnovers, not brady.

[@miketime4290]

The bucs couldn't get 50 yards the whole game bro stop it. The turnovers saved Bradys legacy because getting blown out by the Detroit Lion(not a typo) would look bad.

[@CalobAdamsInfamous913]

@@orbball5962 exactly, but again people give Brady credit for the defense

[@Pingo21]

@@orbball5962 Drives of 50 (missed field goal), 62 (field goal) and 77(touchdown with 3:20 to go) would point to your comment having no basis in reality 🤷‍♂️ That being said, the better team won 🏆 Rams are my team for the remainder of the playoffs, as Stafford has earned a shot after his time in Detroit, but I am all Tampa (went there with Brady if you couldn’t tell 😂 ) for the next season

[@rytd456y]

I started watching the NFL in 2017 (from Ireland). My favourite team is the bills. How is a multi billion dollar business (nfl) allowing a game to be won and lost from a coin flip. How????

[@ingsoria]

I know, it's mind boggling right?

[@antwonmiller8073]

I wonder if you would be thinking the same thing had the Bills won the toss? I doubt it.

[@faceofbear8024]

It doesn't seem fair. But both teams had the chance to win in regulation. That said, "sudden death" is never the right way to end a game.

[@H8erade]

@@antwonmiller8073 You need to remove any personal biases and ask the question "What's best for the game of football?" I never liked the rule, but I'm in no position to change it. If the Bills had won, I'd still be saying the same thing. Both offenses and defenses should get a chance with the ball.

[@geoycs]

Nice commentary!

[@SteveSmith-br3vu]

Stafford is a balling out. Funny when stafford has been throwing side arm passes for years. But Mahomes does it to wide open man it’s “magic”. Stanford, Rodgers and Wilson have all done the angles Mahomes does. Several times.

[@CalobAdamsInfamous913]

Stop the hate, Mahomes be throwing side arm with anticipation

[@SteveSmith-br3vu]

@@CalobAdamsInfamous913 it’s not hate it’s fact. Mahomes does something stafford, Wilson and even rodgers has done several times and it’s “magical and “mind blowing”. Reality isn’t hate. Legit watched Stafford fit a side arm between defenders yesterday and land perfect. They said nothing. Mahomes does one to hill or Kelce with cushion and they say they never seen anything like it. It’s magic. They need to stop acting like what he’s doing is new. All I’m sayin.

[@Brian-vk1hm]

Mahomes is the new breed of GOAT

[@aceboogieproductions2639]

My Man you are Incredible! Love your analogies, takes, views and presentations on topics, not like these other shows, love your guest, Joy of course not just because of her looks which is not bad at all but her takes, thoughts, opinions and confidence is everything! Keep going strong Colin! The People's Champ!! Appreciate you being Tough on Everybody!!

[@Chebornek]

I'd argue that Namath, Staubach and Stabler were the 1st iteration/evolution of game changing QBs, then comes Elway, Marino & company. Those guys in the late 60s early 70s were slinging, scrambling, swaggering innovators who changed the way defenses had to prepare for playing against them. Plus, those guys were often allowed and encouraged to call their own plays in the huddle and audible out of plays at the LOS. * How did I forget Tarkenton.. I might be a little older than you too, though, Cowherd.

[@MrRukiddin]

Change the rule. I feel like I was watching an epic movie and the power went out.

[@Tr1Dylan]

I am not a chiefs fan, but God don’t blame the chiefs for your team not knowing how to play defense with 13 seconds left.

[@kimberlygranger5205]

Most of us true Bills fans aren’t doing that, nor is Josh, we’ll be back.

[@H8erade]

Who's blaming the Chiefs?

[@5fenris570]

Oh its just a Fantastic Time for Football. Just look st the AFC: Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson… that is just so exsiting to watch no matter who xou rooting for.

[@dr.abdul-kadironyelukachuk4574]

I don't agree with you all the time, something that is not humanly possible. However, your analyses in moments like this always deliver the goodies.

[@trovelemmanuel5627]

What "they said when coming out of college" What YOU said Colin🤣

[@ganimagalaktika5720]

Best NFL game ever!

[@Eli-ss9gj]

Prisoner of the moment take, but it is up there

[@zionbrantley7608]

Great game

[@orangevideo]

Colin’s perhaps caught up in the moments after a truly great game, went with his emotions, but it’s actually a QB EVOLUTION V3.3. The third evolution was the dual threat mobile quarterback circa late 1999/2000. With all due respect to Tarkenton/Young/Cunningham, it was the emergence of the truly mobile/elusive/lightning quick 4.36/40 speed Micheal Vick that revolutionized the position. Not only did he have a quick release accurate long arm, he had the speed to outrun DBs and safeties. Add to that his legendary elusiveness and you had a brand new type of iconic quarterback that influenced the next generation of QBs. Russel Wilson was part of the undersized, fast and elusive gen V3.2, and the current crop like Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Kyler Murray, and even Josh Allen are the V3.3. None of them would exist today if it wasn’t for Micheal Vick. Love him or hate him, he is the OG of V3.

[@cdwalker15]

Man I was thinking the same thing. Spot on. 👏🏾

[@seanhroncich5368]

You could argue that for Jackson and Wilson maybe but Mahomes?? 5k yards and 50 tds his first year as a starter? yeah no

[@orangevideo]

@@seanhroncich5368 Mahomes stellar rookie year was fantastic, but has no relevance on his inspiration to be a dual threat quarterback and the blueprint he followed. BTW, Vick, at 40 years old ran a 4.72-second 40 in 2021, meaning he’s still faster than Mahome’s best 40 at 4.8 seconds. Not even gonna mention Vick at his prime clocked a 4.33 at the combine, which is still the record for the fastest QB on record.

[@Adam-zy9fv]

definitely an interesting point but the problem with vick is that he wasnt a very prolific passer. All of the guys you listed are far and away more consistent and more accurate when it comes to throwing the ball

[@ytoowbbb8997]

Not reading all that

[@benjaminbramlitt2557]

Is it possible that one of these big free agent QB’s (Wilson or Rodgers) goes to Tennessee? They got AJ brown and Julio, Derrick Henry, and a coaching staff and team that ended up being the number 1 seed despite of the injuries they had this season. Seems like a pretty amazing spot to Land to me. I also believe Tennessee would give up tanehill and a pick or two to get a quarterback upgrade

[@sabirabdul-lateef5352]

Excellent!!!!

[@chachisadventures3378]

Colin spot on

[@Lkb2411]

If the bills would’ve won the coin toss and the game, no one would be bi tching about “change the rules!!” The Mahomes hate is real.. he had the same sh it happen with the Patriots.. literally could go either way. Mahomes is the future of football, hate it or love it😴the issue was the Bills leaving hope for Pat with 13 seconds.. already celebrating.

[@inst4rmin.x4_onYT]

Nonsense, the way these two played it would have been the exact same story...

[@Knowing341]

I’m tending to agree with your “ Mahomes hate is real…” Don’t know why. This past season we’ve seen the following hyped as soon as they beat or compete with mahomes: Herbert… burrow… Allen. They’re all very good but can one of them first go to the super bowl first? ( not even win). Does mahomes get in trouble off field? He’s always humble in interviews I see. But there’s a certain hate..

[@markconner5341]

@@Knowing341 his brother and his wife give people lots of reason to hate.

[@Knowing341]

@@markconner5341 No one ever held Aaron Rogers family issues against him? Recall when Brady wife called out his receiver for drops? What about these other so called WAGS on social media?

[@Boomi_Dog]

Wrong

[@drakeleger4850]

Against the number 1 D 😅 The Grim reaper is just different👀

[@Hotsoe]

Talking about perfect fits one should also mention alll the coaches who actually make those players great. Like Mike Kafka…

[@Horndogthehorneddog]

Evolution goes a good amount farther back than Marino and Elway. Not egregious to not acknowledge but would love to see a better breakdown of a similar thesis

[@DariusClarkWallace]

He said in his life

[@huntersilvey1111]

No one cares about white guys in the 60s

[@drewforbes8980]

watching football before the 70s is insufferable

[@eightybarsyouletemgo]

Fireeeeeeeee show

[@noahblack5620]

Colins soliloquies are the best

[@thatboydre8649]

I guy who is still playing was jn his prime 17 years ago crazy

[@BallKnower]

I don’t want to see any more Stafford slander

[@noremorse2012]

AFC has an plethora of good quarterbacks

[@donjuan914]

Mahomes Allen Burrow Herbert

[@Knowing341]

@César Omar Raudales You’re gonna include Mac Jones over Lamar after one season? Hmmm

[@nickbarcheck1019]

Colin Cowherd is the Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen of sports talk radio.

[@Sandthe21Man]

Colin was really feeling himself with that “SoFi so good” comment, huh 😂

[@gregh2322]

In the 60's Sonny Jurgensen was an evolution planting the seeds for the intellectual and passing quarterbacks.

[@robertd.7060]

I THINK you CAN put the WHOLE [ AFL } in this evolution of the QB"S passing MUCH more in the 1960's , too !

[@SckoulG]

Arm angles was so not discussed we dissed Philip Rivers for having different arm angles when he came into the NFL. crazy where we have come.

[@inst4rmin.x4_onYT]

Stafford too and maybe even going back to Favre among others would have unconventional arm angles.. But these guys (Allen & Mahomes) definitely use this on an entirely different level

[@nicholasdipiano6483]

Brady can't deliver without help? he literally scored 27 with that ensemble yesterday. you're wrong on this one.

[@inst4rmin.x4_onYT]

Did the Rams not help? ;D

[@marcocambron7259]

Nicholas. What you mean? The defense help Brady when Cam Akers fumble the ball in the 1 yard line 🤷. The Rams were around the 30 something yard line and the center threw the ball and Stafford wasn't ready to get ball.

[@santhiner]

Elway, Brady, and Mahomes also have all time tight ends. Sharpe, Gronk, Kelce.

[@paulhenson4434]

A great TE will complement aQB's offense.

[@theofficialgreenkane9645]

Josh Allen & Mahomes future HOF'ers

[@MrTWICETHEPRESHA]

*Colin ‘I just can’t see Green Bay losing, I just don’t see it’ Cowherd*

[@lanafelix8649]

NFL mahomes and Allen are different but each offer their teams success on the field

[@Bigmeep69]

Thanks captain

[@williammaloney6404]

there was another nfl game like the chief @ the bill sept 24 1972 jets@ colts i was there the greatest football game i ever seen

[@markbay9275]

How did he gloss over Montana? He is an all time great. I agree for the most part with his sentiments though.

[@shawnturner7459]

Say it don’t spray it Colin

[@massiv323]

Stafford was great no questions…. But the last drive was more of a massive failure by the whole defense. You can’t leave there number 1 beat and he made it look so easy !

[@connorberglund7032]

There shouldn’t have been a last drive… that Bucs defense played exceptional in the second half

[@donjuan914]

Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert will also be in this convo going forward.

[@WhatShallEyeDo4U]

Don't forget Herbert... And potentially Justin Fields. I'd take any one of those four when building a team/organization.

[@gabriel02795]

Herbert yes but Justin Fields?? Wouldn’t put him top 4 of young talent to build around. Switch him with Joe Burrow or maybe Kyler Murray

[@WhatShallEyeDo4U]

@@gabriel02795 I would put Fields because of the similar tools that he has in comparison to Herbert and Allen.

[@masonneal3893]

@@WhatShallEyeDo4U haven’t even seen him doing anything in the league like the others have

[@WhatShallEyeDo4U]

@@masonneal3893 with Matt Nagy at the helm... No, you wouldn't. 😂

[@niklaszillig7282]

@@WhatShallEyeDo4U Fields 😂😂😂

[@danielward2130]

I like how all these pairings are AFC teams 🤔

[@BallKnower]

Mahomes going for #2

[@Leacythegreat]

Josh Allen is the next Jim Kelly period Pat gone be around for a long time

[@isliofficial]

So 4 Super Bowl losses lol

[@KlvnDxxminique]

@@isliofficial in this context, 4 AFC Championship losses lmao

[@darrenXparker]

Chiefs are the Pistons to the Bills Bulls.

[@jacobfunkhouser6600]

Id say hes the first Josh Allen

[@chinandlerbong9038]

This is a very bad and lazy take

[@brycemorrison4350]

I remember when Colin said Josh Allen was a not-as-good Carson Wentz and that Sam Darnold was going to be better than Josh Allen.

[@erichaynes7502]

ngl here in eastern New York Bills are known as a choke artists.

[@seanbanks9062]

Can’t disagree more about the Allen/McDermott connection but otherwise this is beautiful.

[@isaacbass5537]

“Rams got healthier” they were missing their star LT, 3/4 starting safeties and their rb2.

[@tjmthegreat4009]

Lol the whole reason they were up 27-3 was because everything was perfect haha. It was only a blown assignment on the final play of the game that gave them the win, not the QB making an incredible play hahahahaha. FYI here comes a zero blitz where 2 LBs didn't blitz 😆😆😆

[@andygreenberg1057]

Yea not like the Rams fumbled 4 times and missed a 47 yard FG SHORT. Haha Rams we’re by far the better team and Bucs we’re lucky for it to be that close

[@williamowens2849]

If the Chief's go to the Superbowl... that will be back to back Suberbowls for the Chiefs... at the opponents home field...that's crazy 🤪 😜

[@bigsplash6055]

Well that’s only if the Rams beat the 9ers

[@emilioalvarez7745]

Yeahhhh…and if they lose it will be back to back ….

[@bigsplash6055]

@@emilioalvarez7745 yep

[@mocarpublishing]

STAGED. The NFL is now pro wrestling.

[@nicholaslajara2080]

Mike Vick*** he’s the reason for these QBs they just took it too a new level

[@kirkjiao3296]

just hope there's no injuries. one leg injury and it's done for mahomes.

[@malcolm2553]

I don’t think that’s true anymore for elite athletes. Kevin Durant became a better player off an Achilles injury.

[@TheSoundwave92]

Sake with Allen. These QBs needs to protect their legs because those are your shock absorbers. Once you can't use your legs you are done as far as playing. After afew leg injuries, the hits that you shrugged off before become alot more painful and eventually you need to start thinking of your long term health.

[@kirkjiao3296]

@@malcolm2553 As a shooter sure(which is all that matters now), but he's noticeably slower less athletic and agile.

[@richardbrake4309]

I have to disagree with the piece about the advantages for Mahomes over Allen. We've seen the league adapting to how to play against Mahomes and Andy's high octane offense, forcing the more mathotical Patrick. So the more the league figures out how to deal with the intangibles that he brings in the shorter to mid field throws, you'll see more of the need for that defensive coach to not let leads slip away or games be too close against lesser competition. I see Allen and the Bills taking the match up more times down the line because of the defensive coaching to back Allen the way Bill backed Tom, all those years in New England. Yes, we'll see the occasional storming back from Mahomes like that classic Manning comeback against Brady. But I see Josh Allen being the top dog for the generation to come

[@chrislamb559]

The 2 Best in the game.DaMMMM

[@packguy06]

Next week he'll be talking about Joe Burrow

[@DuckFanDane]

Mahomes does not go into many swaps maybe their slumps for his skill level but let’s be honest he is slump he’s better than 99.9% of quarterbacks in the NFL

[@turdmcgurd]

Stafford was arm angles before these fellas though