Patron Series 3: Constructing a

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Clickspring

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Hey Folks, this is the first episode of the third Patron Series project, Constructing an #artdeco Dial Indicator. Each of the videos from this series will appear here on KZbin in due course as the project progresses. The plans for the project are available as part of the $1 tier on Patreon, and if you'd like to help me make these videos you can do so here: / about
Cheers,
Chris.
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A very special thank you to Patrons:
Sinking Valley Woodworks (www.sinkingvall...)
Glenn Trewitt
Christopher Warnock
Guy Loughridge
Peter John Richardson
Adam Slagle
Robin Haerens
Charles Frodsham & Co.
Thomas Veilleux
C. A. Patrick Voigt
Mark Coburn
Bogdan Dan
Steven R. Crider
Gary Levario
Pete Askew
Jeff Armstrong
Rudolph Bescherer Jr
Robert Petz
Ralph McCoy
Jim Popwell
Bradley Pirtle
Alan Carey
PaxAndromeda
John A McCormick
Thomas Eriksen
Michael Hardel
Tim Ball
Dominik Rogala
Xanadu-King
Eric Witte
Peter
Grant Michener
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@Clickspring
@Clickspring 11 ай бұрын
Hey Folks, this is the first episode of the third Patron Series project, Constructing a Dial Indicator. Each of the videos from this series will appear here on KZbin in due course as the project progresses. The plans for the project are available as part of the $1 tier on Patreon, and if you'd like to help me make these videos you can do so here: www.patreon.com/clickspring/about - Cheers :)
@TomSedgman
@TomSedgman 11 ай бұрын
The scale is always so hard to judge and it looks normal,until you see a gigantic thumb come into shot. Fantastic work as always Chris!
@HangarQueen
@HangarQueen 11 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure you've stumbled on the truth: that Chris is a giant using normal human-sized tools. That's how he makes it look so easy. It's clear that nobody could really make such intricate parts so small, so perfectly. Occam's razor: he's a giant.
@mcseforsale
@mcseforsale 11 ай бұрын
Being from the area, I'm happy to let you know that you pronounced Waltham correctly! Growing up in New England, most dads in our neighborhoods were machinists in either the weapons or aeronautics industries. I, myself, was an apprentice machinist before jobs went to other countries in the late 80s. Yours is one of the best channels on YT, being the absolute best for machining in horology. Your Antikythera videos should be given awards for short film. Thanks for what you're doing.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 11 ай бұрын
Thank you mate, I appreciate you watching :)
@TheMatthewklos
@TheMatthewklos 11 ай бұрын
I live in Newburyport mass!
@LanceMcCarthy
@LanceMcCarthy 11 ай бұрын
The only disappointment is they turned that factory into overpriced condos
@KingNast
@KingNast 11 ай бұрын
Now let's hear him try to pronounce Woburn 😂
@mcseforsale
@mcseforsale 11 ай бұрын
@@KingNast I live in Georgia now. Try explaining Worchester to these folks! HAHAHAHA!
@Devorehardware
@Devorehardware 11 ай бұрын
A huge smile goes across my face any time I hear "G'day Chris here". Thanks for sharing your projects with us!
@AlsanPine
@AlsanPine 11 ай бұрын
i have said this before but it cannot be over expressed. it is truly a pleasure for this old master clocksmith to watch your work. i am glad these techniques will survive for the next generations and lifts up the responsibility i have felt for being too lazy to pass on the skills myself. i have had apprentices in the past but this is a more durable and widely accessible way of passing on the skills. thank you 🙂
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 11 ай бұрын
Terrific to have you watching mate :)
@adam6806
@adam6806 11 ай бұрын
This makes me feel good about humanity. Love you both.
@miles11we
@miles11we 11 ай бұрын
Never thought I'd see an art deco dial indicator, looks awesome
@1crazypj
@1crazypj 11 ай бұрын
I'm at a loss for words, which is pretty unusual.
@EngineerRaisedInKingston
@EngineerRaisedInKingston 11 ай бұрын
Chris, your editing has always been absolutely top notch, but your recent videos, and this one in particular have taken that to a new level.. The CGI is absolutely mind blowing. That paired with the borderline insane attention to detail you have.. I'm really at a loss for words. Can't wait to see the series progress.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 11 ай бұрын
Thank you mate, so pleased you enjoyed it :)
@inund8
@inund8 11 ай бұрын
My guy, that's not CGI, those are our future robot overlords. The footage was sent back in time obviously.
@RNMSC
@RNMSC 11 ай бұрын
@@inund8Pretty sure @ThisOldTony would simply declare that they were Brought back in time through the use of their combined lathe time machines.
@chrisestill8825
@chrisestill8825 11 ай бұрын
If Chris said it was all a series of hand drawn and painted animations, I would believe it. He is a man of many talents and is extraordinary at all of them.
@Williamstokes-b1d
@Williamstokes-b1d 11 ай бұрын
Did he seriously do all the CGI in that? On top of the hundreds of hours he already put into editing? And not to mention the actual dial itself? Man...
@citizenrand0m
@citizenrand0m 11 ай бұрын
I rarely comment but this is a special occasion indeed. Art deco and Clickspring, the mix I never knew I wanted so bad.
@hgghgguk
@hgghgguk 11 ай бұрын
I'm convinced the Antikythera mechanism was actually made by Chris and he has a working time machine that's how he knows so much about what tools were used to make it, that's probably why we don't see it anymore cos he had to go back in time an throw it into the sea so it could be found
@musicmaneman38
@musicmaneman38 11 ай бұрын
He used @ThisOldTony lathe time machine to do it.
@serineaaskold8428
@serineaaskold8428 11 ай бұрын
He borrowed it from This Old Tony a few years ago
@johnhepp
@johnhepp 11 ай бұрын
Listening to Clickspring describe the inner workings of this dial indicator makes me believe he would make an outstanding 'Turbo Encabulator'!
@thetrevor861
@thetrevor861 11 ай бұрын
If it wasn't already on the list, I guess it is now !
@logannewman4532
@logannewman4532 11 ай бұрын
Oh. That CGI is fun! Wow!
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 11 ай бұрын
1) "G'day, Chris here" 2) Eyegasm after eyegasm after eyegasm, relentlessly for 20 minutes straight. 3) Chipper little "See'ya'layta" Never change, man. Never change.
@sgctactics
@sgctactics 11 ай бұрын
Using a dial indicator to make a dial indicator... That's just straight up full circle poetry in action. I always love the concept of how those tools started. Such a repetitive process; to start with something crude and using the finished product to create the next better one, until they increasingly become as precise as the ones we're used to today. I just imagine the first true mill created that probably literally helped create the next one. I envision it being a janky, wobbly, accurate enough-ish thing that did exactly what it was designed to do: prove a concept
@ahopkins62
@ahopkins62 11 ай бұрын
Who doesn't get excited when they hear the words, "G'day, Chris here and welcome back to Clickspring".
@davekimball3610
@davekimball3610 11 ай бұрын
Using a dial indicator to construct a dial indicator, a wonderful paradox. Thanks for sharing!
@christopherjones7191
@christopherjones7191 11 ай бұрын
I also thought that on the test indicator. But I suppose you could use a very long lever held in a pivot since it was just to check runout and not measure.
@thetrevor861
@thetrevor861 11 ай бұрын
"G'day Chris here". Thanks for yet another stunning piece of work.
@weilandcm
@weilandcm 11 ай бұрын
I like the giant, automated tooling animations. Very Portal-esque.
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 11 ай бұрын
And a humours contrast to the itty bitty gear wheel on the tip of his finger.
@kornaros96
@kornaros96 11 ай бұрын
The mere fact that they use milli inches is a testament to the superiority of the metric system.
@Bob_Jones_
@Bob_Jones_ 11 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for someone to build an indicator from scratch, so glad it was you, as your style and attention to detail is unmatched.
@bendooley550
@bendooley550 11 ай бұрын
Never ceases to amaze me the quality of both your machining, and your cinematography skills. Always a good day when one of your videos comes across my feed.
@navaho5430
@navaho5430 14 сағат бұрын
I love cutting the last tooth it still amazes me 40 years on, cheers from NSW
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 10 сағат бұрын
Me too! Cheers mate :)
@Preso58
@Preso58 11 ай бұрын
Outstanding as always. Cannot wait to see how you've made the case. It must be the only art deco dial indicator in the world!
@gottfriedschuss5999
@gottfriedschuss5999 11 ай бұрын
Chris, what a fantastic project! Your workmanship, combined with the entirety of your videography, is unsurpassed in the KZbin videos I view! Thanks. I can’t wait for the next episode. Be well & Best regards.
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 11 ай бұрын
As a fabricator I would not normally be interested Astro engineering precision, but that is art at it finest. Thanks for sharing.
@TridentTrue101
@TridentTrue101 11 ай бұрын
Loving the Against a Dark Background thumbnail! My favourite Ian M. Banks novel.
@dcallan812
@dcallan812 11 ай бұрын
Nice work. I did a 4 year apprentice to become an instrument artificer then moved to London and repaired and calibrated various bits of kit for years. We had an isolated room in springs with set temperature and humidity with an extensive set of Standards we used as references. So its almost back to work for me today. 2x 👍
@demos113
@demos113 11 ай бұрын
I could never have done my old job without these, absolutely essential. 🙂👍
@gabrielmoreira7265
@gabrielmoreira7265 11 ай бұрын
I said it once and will say it again, your content and machining are absolutely gorgeous to watch
@onegeekguy_yt
@onegeekguy_yt 11 ай бұрын
The video is just astonishing - the quality, the editing, the music... Besides these aspects, the quality of the machining is also amazing - the precision, the explanations. I can only give it a 10/10.
@baremetaltechtv
@baremetaltechtv 11 ай бұрын
Love your videos, The thought of how we go from stone tools to lathes and precision completely fascinates me, thanks for the inspiration and education. Your videos have made me commit to the idea of buying a small lathe like yours, I didn't think it would be possible for me to have a lathe at home because I'm used to much bigger larger machines at work, your approaches to solving different work holding problems shows me whats possible, so glad I found your channel!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 11 ай бұрын
Awesome, so pleased to hear that!
@Hubilicious90
@Hubilicious90 11 ай бұрын
To further drive home the connection between horology and dial indicators: in German dial indicators are called „Messuhr“, which literally translates to „measuring clocks“.
@CheffBryan
@CheffBryan 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic to find out Waltham played such a major role, been collecting their 636 movements for years and greatly enjoy their work. Hope to make one of these some day too!
@jc13781
@jc13781 11 ай бұрын
Holy crap… I can’t believe what my eyes have just bore witness to. ❤ Between the amazing camera angles, cgi, excellent narration and pacing, and don’t even get me started on the concept and beautiful design… omg that art deco. This series is going to be a masterpiece to live in KZbin history.
@kennethstaszak9990
@kennethstaszak9990 11 ай бұрын
The art deco look of your indicator is outstanding!
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 11 ай бұрын
I didn't need an Art Deco dial indicator yesterday, but I sure do today 😮🤩
@makebreakrepeat
@makebreakrepeat 11 ай бұрын
Ah, your videos are like a hot cup of tea on a frosty sunrise.
@TBJK07Jeep
@TBJK07Jeep 11 ай бұрын
Man that indicator is going to be a work of art. I love it. It is going to have to go on my build list.
@mrsmith8436
@mrsmith8436 11 ай бұрын
One of the best KZbin channels on machining I have seen. Video production quality is outstanding. Keep them coming and I will keep watching and clicking like
@jeffarmstrong1308
@jeffarmstrong1308 11 ай бұрын
Why not subscribe? ... if you have not already.
@wayneswonderarium
@wayneswonderarium 11 ай бұрын
I saw the illustration and I had to see this art deco build 🤤😍🤩
@davidduffy9806
@davidduffy9806 11 ай бұрын
Quite simply…. you’re an inspiration. First rate, first class.
@lohikarhu734
@lohikarhu734 11 ай бұрын
Actually, as I watch, I feel that the video is lovely enough to watch, without knowing what is being done!
@stevenbierlink6695
@stevenbierlink6695 11 ай бұрын
I just got done trying to explain to my wife that if one wanted to buy this exact dial indicator from you, it would easily be in the tens of thousands of dollars, and more likely, closer to a hundred thousand. Chris: while everyone who builds can see flaws in their work - from your viewers’ perspective, no human is capable of what you achieve on a regular basis!
@J.C...
@J.C... 11 ай бұрын
Yes they can be used for many things. We, guitar players, technicians, and luthiers, use them, also. We used them to measure fret height. String height. Neck relief. All are small measurements. 1-2mm max. With neck relief being the smallest number from zero to 0.4 to 0.5mm
@jackpijjin4088
@jackpijjin4088 11 ай бұрын
Most luthiers just use a feeler gauge or... business card or quarter. X)
@GordonWrigley
@GordonWrigley 11 ай бұрын
Doing a dial indicator is genius, it's been a long time since I had that "wait I could make that?" reaction.
@NiftyMCD_Australia
@NiftyMCD_Australia 11 ай бұрын
Absolutely amazing machining and precision, a joy to watch. Definitely way way over anything I could dream to make. i will follow with keen interest the progression of the manufacturing of the gauge.
@TABE-O
@TABE-O 9 ай бұрын
Excellent contribution to the world. Thankyou.
@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 11 ай бұрын
Absolutely impressive precision work, as always! Not to mention editing, that is amazing :-)
@richardhart-n3n
@richardhart-n3n 11 ай бұрын
Magnum P.I. of KZbin! Thanks for what you do, Chris!
@mikemichelizzi2023
@mikemichelizzi2023 11 ай бұрын
I didn’t think it was possible to put more work into your videos, but you’ve gone and done it! Excellently done as usual!
@skychaserthedragon2046
@skychaserthedragon2046 11 ай бұрын
Wooh, so art deco!
@billchiasson2019
@billchiasson2019 11 ай бұрын
Dittos on all the amazing comments!! Your work is amazing and impeccable!! Look forward to seeing more of this art in progress!! Thank you!
@howshafern420
@howshafern420 11 ай бұрын
I find your content very calming as well as entertaining, Thank you.
@dietmarfinster3176
@dietmarfinster3176 9 ай бұрын
During my apprenticeship, there were also precision mechanics at our vocational school who exhibited their work. Fascinating works As a carpenter, I could only be amazed Great work, and nice film!
@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian
@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian 11 ай бұрын
Destined to be the most gorgeous dial indicator ever 😋
@larrybud
@larrybud 11 ай бұрын
Think he'll melt his own silica to make the front glass? lol
@WiscomptonBoys
@WiscomptonBoys 11 ай бұрын
Superb! I love seeing how you bring these things to life one finely crafted part at a time. Really looking forward to the rest of this project.
@justtim9767
@justtim9767 6 ай бұрын
For me --- never in a million years. Beautiful work.
@satyris410
@satyris410 11 ай бұрын
Can't tell you how much I love these videos to watch in bed before I go to sleep
@624Dudley
@624Dudley 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for another superb production, Chris 👍 I was unaware of the historical connection to Waltham, which is nearby; within the sprawling old Waltham watch factory there is nowadays an excellent technology museum, which includes displays of the former company’s many manufacturing innovations. On my next visit I’ll see whether dial indicator evolution is on display.
@toomdog
@toomdog 11 ай бұрын
I love the foreshadowing of how monstrous the case will be after all these little parts
@voodoochild1954
@voodoochild1954 11 ай бұрын
I am in awe of such beautiful and precise work. You are truly a master craftsman.
@iansmeath8674
@iansmeath8674 11 ай бұрын
Chris, It would seem your design skills match or surpass your machining skills. I have always been attracted by the art deco period, that case design is spot on!
@divyajnana
@divyajnana 11 ай бұрын
Sir, your videos are a work of art....making works of art, thank you.
@JW-uC
@JW-uC 11 ай бұрын
It is always a good day when another clickspring drops :-)
@stoatystoat174
@stoatystoat174 11 ай бұрын
Thanks again for the Antikythera Mechanism series :)
@BrittDurbrow
@BrittDurbrow 11 ай бұрын
OK, I now officially have tool envy. That thing is *cool* !!! 😎
@johnkelley9877
@johnkelley9877 11 ай бұрын
I have used many dial indicators in the past so this is a vey interesting tutorial! Thanks for sharing this Chris.
@LeMat_njx
@LeMat_njx 11 ай бұрын
This'll probably sound weird, but I feel congratulations are in order? Making a dial indicator feels like a major milestone it developing one's machine shop skill. Great work, Chris, and congratulations!
@michaelrice500
@michaelrice500 11 ай бұрын
This is so absolutely cool. Steam punk robot mega factory!
@mattinkel7342
@mattinkel7342 11 ай бұрын
Beautiful case design .. and im loving all the fun graphics you are doing too
@lorencarey7161
@lorencarey7161 11 ай бұрын
I want to binge watch the whole series
@andrewnicon
@andrewnicon 11 ай бұрын
I've never done any machining or really any building but I'd like to someday. This channel is always fascinating to me.
@aussiebloke609
@aussiebloke609 11 ай бұрын
Hearing an Aussie accent talking about inches brings back memories. And yes, I'm that old. 👍
@Bakers_Villa
@Bakers_Villa 10 ай бұрын
Its always insane to remeber you do all this in a broom closet
@dougmorgan6616
@dougmorgan6616 11 ай бұрын
I can hardly wait for the next episode.
@spendymcspendy
@spendymcspendy 11 ай бұрын
Wow! It has been hit after hit with the channel! Thank you!
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 11 ай бұрын
this was wonderful, learned some valuable techniques.....thank you very much, cheers from Florida, USA...Paul
@ralflisell3287
@ralflisell3287 11 ай бұрын
Off the chart impressive. Thanks a lot!
@bgdavenport
@bgdavenport 11 ай бұрын
Magnificent production in every aspect!
@pressureswitch
@pressureswitch 11 ай бұрын
Oh Chris, the design is gorgeous!
@samdude1953
@samdude1953 11 ай бұрын
Bravo, Chris. Awesome project!
@skivvy3565
@skivvy3565 11 ай бұрын
A new clickspring video? Ahh today is gonna be a good day. Let’s get the weekend started off right
@DavidR8
@DavidR8 11 ай бұрын
Crazy good stuff Chris. Seriously.... awesome work as ever.
@heighRick
@heighRick 11 ай бұрын
Get in, Chris made a video! Right, back when I've watched it :)
@harlech2
@harlech2 11 ай бұрын
Chris this is absolutely a work of art! I'll take 2 and I need them by Monday!
@TBJK07Jeep
@TBJK07Jeep 11 ай бұрын
You mean you don’t need them yesterday?
@harlech2
@harlech2 11 ай бұрын
@@TBJK07Jeep Isn't yesterday tomorrow in Australia? I mean it is South of the Equator AND on the opposite side of the world...
@bgdavenport
@bgdavenport 11 ай бұрын
I have a Taig tools lathe, also. I converted mine to a power feed using a geared motor and 12 volt power source...easy peasy!
@phoschnizzle826
@phoschnizzle826 11 ай бұрын
Awesome build! Looking forward to the rest of the series.
@WolfKenneth
@WolfKenneth 11 ай бұрын
I'm so happy you are back! :)
@Horus9339
@Horus9339 11 ай бұрын
Thank you Sir, I look forward to the series.
@tonomoto
@tonomoto 11 ай бұрын
coffeezilla style graphics, i like it.
@kevinnobody3052
@kevinnobody3052 11 ай бұрын
Great video Chris. Thank you. I always learn something new with each one.
@dannymerry1786
@dannymerry1786 11 ай бұрын
This is a project ive always wanted to tackle. Awesome video as always Chris, truly in a league of your own
@doughibberd1576
@doughibberd1576 11 ай бұрын
Another beautifully produced video, thanks Chris
@jaytotheareokay
@jaytotheareokay 11 сағат бұрын
My dream is to eventually have a home shop capable of making my own gages, and i hope by that point in my life I'm capable of making anything anywhere near as beautiful as this, Chris.
@ED_T
@ED_T 11 ай бұрын
What a mind blowing project, looking forward to future episodes!
@nickfosterxx
@nickfosterxx 9 ай бұрын
8:05 Wait, what..? Ah. You've just given me an idea. Given that your videos are so ASMR-adjacent, even approaching an altered state of consciousness on occasion, I think that one of these days I might partake whilst enjoying some appropriately complementary substance(s). For now, a small dram of Wild Turkey 101 will suffice. Hope you don't mind. Respectfully yours etc.. PS been catching up on this project, and utterly blown away, goes without saying. And after a few years, there's some sort of cumulative ?mindfulness effect. Seriously, thank you Chris.
@MrFudgepump
@MrFudgepump 11 ай бұрын
Saw a video with an interesting title so clicked. Heard "Gday Chris here and welcome back to Clickspring" and instantly smashed the like button 😂
@leep_
@leep_ 11 ай бұрын
Wow, I just re-found your channel last night and caught an upload 16 minutes after, awesome!
@Zkkr429
@Zkkr429 3 ай бұрын
Interesting to know about its origin. Especially as most places I’ve worked we call this a clock.
@willaiml
@willaiml 11 ай бұрын
I love watching your craftsmanship and teaching technique.
@pvtimberfaller
@pvtimberfaller 11 ай бұрын
I saw a homemade dial indicator in an old shop they were selling out. They used a Chevy oil pressure gauge as the basis. It was a dirt floor shop so it could have been from the twenties or thirties. I think they just through it away, wish I had drug it home.
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