Better NES Games - Rare or Common Titles?

[@575forza]

Doesn't pat have a book? I wish he'd mention it.

[@dragginsylva]

I know right

[@johnr.1592]

@@dragginsylva I can't wait for the certain Wii book. Average score for the library: 1.3 out of 5.

[@hawkflame9584]

Was anyone else a bit confused at 00:48 as to whether or not Pat was talking about Rare (the game developer) or rare (the word for scarcity)?

[@PsychoIncarnate666]

The co-founder of LJN was the creator of THQ So, y'know. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree and all that

[@ninjamaster3453]

PsychoIncarnate yes. create simple trash games from movie IPs

[@deezy81]

PsychoIncarnate T.H.Q. did make awesome wrestling games for Playstation and Nintendo 64 though.

[@Justin-Hill-1987]

They also made some great Nickelodeon games, like SpongeBob SquarePants: Legend of the Lost Spatula for the Game Boy Color.

[@sarahbrewer9483]

You can really tell Ian is in some pain here. Hope you feel better soon! Thanks for doing an hour, I enjoyed it. :)

[@ThePreciseClimber]

LJN and IGN sound similar. Coincidence?

[@CrashMcCloudX29]

ThePreciseClimber Can't spell "Ignorance" without "IGN"

[@kennethlivengood]

Good to see you again Ian. Thanks for touching it out for the podcast! I hope your health gets better

[@DarkKnightTrinity]

Appreciate you sticking it out Ian, hope you are feeling better soon

[@adriang0]

Idk what u guys talking about but I'm watching cuz of Ian

[@dragginsylva]

I'm watching because of the Butters plush,it has great screen presence

[@PatTheNESpunk]

Surprised by the analysis, or did you always realize that rare games were worse than common titles? ►Analytics link: bit.ly/2mjJ1vJ ►A certain NES guide book available at ultimateNES.com ►Want to watch the entire video podcast and support us? patreon.com/cupodcast ►More #CUPodcast vids: bit.ly/1pOBDVH ►Follow on twitter! twitter.com/patthenespunk & twitter.com/pxlsicle

[@talesfromthemancave]

The man is clearly on pain! I wish Ian came back for good, the CUPodcast benefits greatly when he's around, but seeing him like this is worrisome...

[@zandax]

The guide book joke certainly is a one of the signature lines of the podcast by now :D

[@Idunnoyouguessit]

The best games are usually the games everybody knows about.

[@Warrax22]

There's some hidden gems tho, just look at the some of the games that spiked in price recently.

[@ElBribri]

*usually* not always

[@griswold3006]

At the risk of sounding like a pretentious hipster, this would be a terrible rule of thumb on movies or music.

[@MK004200]

Yeah, ET for Atari 2600 is really amazing. But jokes aside, it's somewhat true for older games. You only remember the absolutely horrible games and the good games, even though there are hidden gems.

[@ROTORKOTOR1]

Nice to see you back Ian.

[@elgarta399]

A note on Atlus' lower average rating, they did have Famicom titles that never made it outside of Japan.Not sure if that would've rated them higher on average, but just worth keeping note of.

[@Anex952]

every nes CU topic in a nutshell "Lets see what my book says lol"

[@MrPrice-rl3id]

I'm so happy to see Ian again.

[@ethinethin]

This would have been more interesting if the mean ratings used were from an aggregate source, not just one person's ratings.

[@ZooyZoborne]

I think you are on to something. All this proves is that these 7 people prefers common games over rare games. it could be that they judged rare/expensive games more harshly than common ones that only cost $5.

[@COLEplusTEN]

RBI Baseball was the first baseball game I ever played but it was on PC.

[@willywampa84]

Great video! Best wishes to Ian, I can see his pain and discomfort. I hope they can figure it out soon.

[@PinBallReviewerRepairs]

There was also Toobin' By Tengen as well. ;)

[@poisonshift78]

would be really cool to see a breakdown of the compilation reviews on the app or a new print run as a supplement. i don't think the book is done yet seeing the grand scale of things

[@supergeoff]

I love Super Mario Bros.,Addams family, two Flintstones games,Darkwing Duck,Two Ducktales games,Felix the cat,Batman,etc

[@jwt4810]

Thought Ian's all time favorite NES game was Duck Tales

[@emmettturner9452]

I would call Adventures of Lolo 1, 2, and 3 puzzle/maze games. Perhaps Solomon's Key/Fire and Ice? What about Exodus and that other Wisdom Tree game (haven't played them but they look similar)?

[@skins4thewin]

This is some really fascinating info here! You should add this info (with the authors permission of course) to the next revision of your NES Guidebook!

[@revlamb731]

So glad to see Ian back! Get well!!!

[@GammaCatch]

channel gets better and better.

[@calebkleven614]

Tengen has R.B.I and that’s all they need

[@AreYouCerealBRO]

thank god Ian is back

[@0730bcorm]

Ian, try jonbou! It’s a famicom arkanoid/mahjong game where you make a hand for bonus points it’s phenomenal!

[@gareis1000]

I think THQ published No Mercy for the N64... That game was kick ass!!!

[@MrMeAndMyDogs]

Instant like since Ian is there :)

[@8ByteBrian]

oh jeezus that joke never gets old...

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

A taco? I'm so jealous... I wanna have a taco with you guys, too. :3

[@maitlandvt]

i didn't realize there was an app. i bought it to support you guys, it is really cool. please add a feature to select a random game. also, i love that there are user ratings. please consider adding user reviews, as well.

[@wildcard13294]

I know this is a SNES game but I have an original Mega Man X cartridge that is a little dirty but it's easily cleanable but the sticker or box art is in so and so condition. How much would it sell for? I also have Super Scope 6 cart with a Super Scope and a Scope sensor cable thing and an original model 1 SNES with all the cables and 1 or 2 controllers. I'm expending this collection but how much would all this sell for?

[@poisonshift78]

also with the app, will there be a pool rating system from users? that would also be epic to see, though i worry about trolls

[@GrandFunker]

Big boy naps! Love it! They are the hallmark of a small business owner!

[@MagickFlavour]

Ian's back!

[@matty5492]

Nice, Ian's back!

[@Michirin9801]

Loving the Hudson Soft results ;3

[@stephenkamenar]

why does the guy on the left always sound like he's dying from just running a marathon?

[@AJPwny]

Ian's been very sick recently, had some stomach problems I believe? He had a GoFundMe & everything, poor guy.

[@catfishfingers2915]

Are the full podcasts available on youtube?

[@catfishfingers2915]

Steve Eichenlaub thanks bud

[@golden_eldorado]

Many THQ games give me the feeling I'm playing unlicensed and/or cheap games.

[@contrapassose7en]

Should have compare genres with at least 10 games. Maze and paddle games being the best genres on the NES is ridiculous. Also, fighting games on the NES being in the top 3 lol Glad you said it yourself Pat.

[@tonyteran499]

Two angles of butter's head yes!

[@theretrogamer14]

What is the difference between Namco and Namcot?

[@Ruudos]

From Wikipedia: Namco's first original video game was Gee Bee (1978).[11] Galaxian (1979) revolutionized the industry as the first video game to use RGB color graphics.[12] It was Pac-Man (1980), however, that would become definitive of Namco's legacy, going on to become a fixture in popular culture.[13] Galaga (1981), a follow-up to Galaxian, was one of the most successful sequels of the era.[14] Dig Dug (1982), Xevious (1982), and Pole Position (1982) continued Namco's success in establishing iconic franchises during the Golden Age. During this period, Namco published video games for home consoles and personal computer under the Namcot brand name.[6]

[@megaman616]

its also has to do with amount of games published

[@papi-champoo6033]

What's funny is the guy who founded and created LJN found and created TH*Q.

[@CyrusAnnihilator]

is there a good (trustful) source to know the developers and publishers of the game? (for other consoles, like the SNES)

[@CyrusAnnihilator]

specially SNES and SFC

[@ztoxtube]

I wasn't convinced thatTHQ was worse than LJN until Pat said they did "Wayne Gretzky Hockey." Good god, this may possibly be the worst fuckturd of the entire NES library.

[@taylorkeith6420]

Triggered by the SNK score

[@ryansg1000]

I actually knew it was going to be THQ.

[@JohnVullo]

James Bond Jr def should not be lumped with those. Id think its at least a 3. The music is great, the graphics are very good. The game play is fun, but you take too much damage. Eurocom made it who also made Lethal Weapon and Magician

[@tkopunditsmith4249]

thank fuck Ian is back.

[@jovialvibes5962]

this is true across all mediums. ever tried playing aquanauts holiday on ps1? I got real excited when I found a copy at the thrift store but boy was I let down when I started the game

[@snowpanth]

Bonks Adventure and Felix the Cat are great games

[@putnopvut]

I seem to remember that in the Gaming Historian's video on LJN, the same person who started LJN also started THQ. COINCIDENCE?!?!?

[@kwasiwilliams5014]

But Tengen made unlicensed games. I used to love collecting the unlicensed black carts from Tengen back in the days.

[@PatTheNESpunk]

They technically did both - the first three were licensed and then unlicensed.

[@kwasiwilliams5014]

Ahhh

[@Frankcore]

BurgerTime is kind of a maze game.

[@monopoman]

Looking at Atlus they had to make some meh games to keep the doors open. That can really help bring a score down when half of their games are LJN titles like Karate Kid, Friday the 13th and other licensed crap. Meanwhile on games that they made and were pouring their heart and soul in, they had some damn solid games even back then. Most of those titles never came to US shores until WAYYYYY later though.

[@ZefTillDeath8878]

I see Ian got to come out of the basement to help promote Pat's book. That was nice of him.

[@ninjamaster3453]

wouldn't very uncommon mean harder to find?

[@arachnophobe]

Rip Ian

[@ShreddHed]

what's the average score of all the nes games?

[@spartonberry]

Probably like a 1.2. You could say that for any popular console. When it gets popular there's going to be lots of hastily-made cash-in trash games compared to carefully developed and polished good games.

[@cubecast1]

HEEEEEEEEES BACK!!!!!

[@hridoygovindadas914]

Where is Natsume on that list? Or are they Taito?

[@rosstedfordkendall]

Natsume is in the top third of developers. They only published two NES games themselves, though, so they didn't make the publishers cut.

[@pxpin89]

I need a new nes guide book XD Ever since I got mine literally everyone has been opening it and reading it. So now I got dinged up corners and a few torn pages from our drinking NES nights when someone decides a game is better then everyone else so we refer to the book to settle the argument XD

[@Gulyus]

ABT - Always Buy Two. One to read, one to keep on the shelf.

[@Rkiser0592]

another fun gaming history fact: TH*Q never stopped publishing horrible games. Don't look at game boy color library if you dislike TH*Q

[@ELPMCFlashFrame]

Friday the 13th was an Atlus game

[@ELPMCFlashFrame]

That being said, F13 isn't even that bad a game, some good ideas, poor execution, but once you learn the sytems, not that bad at all.

[@redroversk]

Ooh, I gotta go make my hipster counter-review channel, Cepheus Conqueror, the THQ Defender!

[@Badbufon]

i like the ljn defender, i like hearing the other side, because a lot of retro reviewers go for the bad stuff to make jokes, but some decent games get bashed for no real reason. "He's the hero youtube deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. a LJN Defender"

[@ninjamaster3453]

GForceFGT back...to....the... future... there is no way anyone can love it defend that ljn abortion.

[@RetroCheater81]

GForceFGT he doesnt defend every game, he looks over the game objectively and says in his opinion if the game is worth the hate. Some of them he says deserves it.

[@contrapassose7en]

@GForceFGT It's refreshing to have a different point of view for once in the retro gaming community. An attitude like yours is what is cancerous, not the LJN defender's. If you can't understand that some gamers can have fun with Z-rated games in a cheesy way like what some cinephiles like in watching bad films then you are the problem not Cygnus. www.hardcoregaming101.net/kusoge/kusoge.htm This cultural phenomenon predate the AVGN by a couple of years at least, though it is difficult to establish a precise timeline, in 2000 it was already existing.

[@TheSaltySeaman]

It is a gimmick. But they're all gimmicks. The nes punk is a gimmick. avgn Is a gimmick. LJN defender actually produces quality videos and gives very fair reviews. He admits when a game is absolute shit, he's just nicer about it than AVGN.

[@CarozQH]

THQ had pretty much one good NES game. James Bond Jr. was decent, because it was developed by a competent UK developer instead of shit companies like Radical Entertainment (Canada) or Imagineering (US), who made almost all of the other THQ games.

[@staticbonez]

tengen is good 4 sure

[@Rkiser0592]

lol pat is a such a goober, in the best way though.

[@Kingpinn02]

IAN!!!

[@Mrkevi123]

Some good games for nes were Sonic the Hedgehog, Golden Axe, streets of rage, shinobi, Altered Beasts........Man, so many great games for the nes I could go on and on

[@deadgametech6624]

I really liked Gunstar Heroes.

[@575forza]

Not as good as crash bandicoot or halo.

[@CarozQH]

My favourite NES game was Batman Forever. It was great.

[@j.okroiag9368]

Shinobi- NES, Tengen, 1989millennials....

[@igano111]

Bad Rats.

[@ManzoAlexis]

I hate when they bring dead people via CGI. We miss Ian...

[@yaboypowda]

isnt thq in with acclaim or activision ...whic hare both also up there in the worse games

[@douglassadler928]

Tecmo Super Bowl. Greatest sports, one of the greatest games of all time. It's 8 bit chess.

[@JHorse508]

free kodak black

[@ViewpointProd]

Laughing Joking Numbnuts

[@pjbrown4736]

Hola, Ian!

[@dantediss1]

for the worst publishers list where is camerica and color dreams ???

[@PatTheNESpunk]

These are the licensed publishers.

[@dantediss1]

Pat the NES Punk ahhhhh ok... because i still have nightmares of robo demons and baby boomer hahahaha

[@matthewmitchell9220]

It happened your channel was erased from my account! You tube ghost!

[@crazymike8057]

This is very biased, and why gamers have different opinions along with the AVGN. We like nostalgia because we went through being kids that don't buy things. It's a contradiction that the book has ratings because they're too biased.Ian is different where he works at a store and might wonder why somebody would buy such a crummy game, but sometimes the customers buy games that didn't appeal to him. It's the real question if a game is good or bad, because some people may enjoy a game or enjoy beating the game. Ian may see several people buy a bad game and wonder why they enjoy it and it's because that game isn't something he's interested in.That being said, promoting the book is sad, due to it being biased on personal favorite games. Both Ian and Pat have some very bad games they rate high. It comes across as annoying when they constantly promote the book as if they're experts when you don't see them playing the games from beginning to end, yet they rate them so easily and constantly try peddling off this book.

[@contrapassose7en]

The analytics are kind of disingenuous because it compares very common games with rare (or rarer) games without giving the numbers. The very common games certainly have a considerable number of games while the rare games are RARE, so a small number of games (it's easier to influence the mean). With the majority of the unlicensed crap is rare, did anyone was suprised that the MEAN is shittier for rare games? Study should have take out the unlicensed crap. When you have to compare the MEAN of 2 sets of data, it's always a good idea to suppress the extremely aberrant data (both good and bad) because it will fuck up the math, especially if your sampling size is small. When you look at uncommon/very uncommon games VS common games, the difference is really small, which tend to proove my point. The NES library was very solid and this is one of the reasons it lived for so long.

[@skins4thewin]

Wait, what?? You gave TMNT Tournament Fighters 4 1/2 Stars? The fuck?? That game is garbage, and most would agree on that. If you're rating games with bad taste or something, then that doesn't make this a very viable source of info...

[@thesoulforge3607]

ian is on drugs.. he should consider rehab

[@drupy1992]

I would recommend to Ian as someone that has delt with many doctors, lives in constant excruciating pain and is having his hip replaced at 24yrs old to not seek any pain killers. Because you don't appear like someone in so much pain that they couldn't even sit and talk on a podcast. Just to be clear I'm not saying you're 100% faking but I would expect doctors to think you are since you haven't had a single test validate your claims (unless I didn't hear you were diagnosed recently) and you don't come across as someone in that much pain if any. Even being filled with surgical hardware and needing my hip replaced ( I'm looking forward to it the 27th) I have been treated like a junky by doctors because of my age. So just a heads up and I hope you aren't faking because people like that are the reason me and many others have been treated badly for trying to have our pain managed.

[@Gulyus]

Stomach pains they treat differently. Shit's painful. My 31 year old sister has been handed drugs like they were candy for like...6 years. Though I DO live on Long Island. And still not 100% certain she needs 1% of what she has.

[@drupy1992]

Gulyus Things are way different in Arkansas. Most doctors refuse to prescribe pain medication instead they send you to a pain management clinic. In my area many of the pain management clinics will only prescribe a week's worth of medication at a time and you have to come in for drug testing and pill counting every week in between the visits to receive your medication. I know pain better than many and Ian's current behavior doesn't fit with the stories we've been told of his situation. Something just isn't lining up about the whole thing and that's why I think he might start having his doctors turn on him and treat him like he is faking.

[@pxlsicle]

Cool special power being able to ascertain someone else's pain level through sight. I haven't asked my doctors for a damn thing other than a diagnosis. leave the passive aggressive bullshit elsewhere.

[@drupy1992]

Ian Ferguson Behavior says a lot. I live in a disabled only apartment building and I see a lot of people in horrible pain everyday and we all share similar mannerisms yet you don't really. That could mean nothing at all but then there is the fact you have made $27,000 off this "illness". Everyone should have a healthy suspicion of you when you profit from it and you're still undiagnosed. It's also strange you're in enough pain to incapacitate you to the point you can't even sit and talk for money yet don't even ask about pain management I guess that shows your pain can't be that bad. And boy as a disabled person I wish I had a successful KZbin friend I could ride the coattails of because even I could do that.

[@drupy1992]

Ian Ferguson Behavior says a lot. I live in a disabled only apartment building and I see a lot of people in horrible pain everyday and we all share similar mannerisms yet you don't really. That could mean nothing at all but then there is the fact you have made $27,000 off this "illness". Everyone should have a healthy suspicion of you when you profit from it and you're still undiagnosed. It's also strange you're in enough pain to incapacitate you to the point you can't even sit and talk for money yet don't even ask about pain management I guess that shows your pain can't be that bad. And boy as a disabled person I wish I had a successful KZbin friend I could ride the coattails of because even I could do that.

[@WolfpackEntertainmentYT]

i have Klax. I disagree. I thought the game was an eyesore and kinda sucked. Oh and Sonic, Golden Axe, SoR, Altered BEAST, not beasts, and shinobi were never on nes. Shinobi was. the rest weren't. do your research before attempting to troll

[@padlock711]

These podcasts are getting repetitive.

[@EGArcanine]

The NES is trash.... Overrated.