Paul and Jesus Jewish No More

[@GradyRisley]

"Applying to you isn't the intent" Amen and absolutly. Youl gonna get flak but you're so right on.

[@GradyRisley]

I get your point. I truly do... All I can say is. I've decided to trust in something and that something is Yeshua. If I'm right, I and all who belive in Him win, and if I'm wrong WE lose. You lose either way.

[@smileywolf]

I had never heard the narrow gate as being ONLY for the 1st century audience before. But it makes so much sense when you consider how much the rest of the NT talks about salvation being available to ALL and God wanting none to perish.

[@ricoyochanan]

Jesus never said the gate is narrow only for 1st century Jews. It does not follow that a teaching from the Jewish past is no longer applicable today. Consider: 1Co_10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. If anything, the gate is becoming more restricted. Think of the last 20 years; almost half the churches in America have gone woke, the Pope blessing homosexual couples, Episcopal, Methodists etc promoting LGBTQ doctrine. And Europe the same and even more.

[@RonGanton]

Yah Doug I felt the book by Blake White was clear and to the point. Thanks again for keeping us in context.

[@ricoyochanan]

Nowhere does Paul say he is no longer a Jew in 1 Cor 9.

[@Ken-rb7gq]

Then why, since he's a Jew, does he need to "become as a Jew" when around Jews? That doesn't make any sense if he's already one.

[@edeancozzens3833]

Yes but Paul clearly taught that he replaced his identity as a Jew which he counted as worthless in comparison with his identity in Christ through the New birth. Philippians 3

[@Ken-rb7gq]

​​​@@edeancozzens3833 yup.... It's shit compared to Christ.

[@ricoyochanan]

@@edeancozzens3833 Nowhere in Phil 3 does Paul say he is no longer a Jew. In fact, the Tribe Of Benjamin which he belonged to is engraved on one of the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem for all eternity, as are the 11 other tribes of Israel. Also and more significant is that the risen Jesus is called the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Rev 5:5

[@Ken-rb7gq]

@@ricoyochanan Yes he's going to come back as a Lion, because that's what he's called.

[@proverbs11vs30]

Thank you brother, this series has been very enlightening so far! Thank you for taking extra time in these sessions, I really appreciate it! I have read Blake Whites book (quite a few years ago now, maybe soon after it was printed, I cant remember), an expansion would be beneficial I think (or perhaps you could also collaborate or write another book based off of this current series?..we have these fantastic videos but sometimes it's easier to give a friend a book which they can read with their bible open etc than watch all these videos which is why I mentioned it :-)

[@Ken-rb7gq]

I totally agree... Most of these ideas I've never seen before or noticed before, and it would be nice to have these presented in book form. Sometimes it's easier to grasp ( at least for me) if it's written down .

[@endoftimeprophecytruth3827]

I made a video on Jesus being a Jew or not? So I hear what you say. When it comes to the law, this is how I understand the law. I believe from Genesis that the 10 commandments have always been there since Adam. Even though we only read about sabbath and marriage it seems plausible there they were part of the 10. The first attack by Satan was on the authority and the Word of God. You will be like God, he said. Jesus came to undo the wrong of Adam. That's one of the reasons why He came to this earth. The other reason why Jesus came was to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 Knowing this, the commandments have nothing to do with being Jewish. Long before the Israelites were born there were the commandants for mankind in general. Only when the Israelites received their land to be a light to the nations, God through Moses would give laws to live as a nation. Hence the reason the commandments were on stone, written by God's finger and placed in the ark of the covenant. And the laws were on a scroll next to the arc. Deut 31:26 All human beings whether they like it or not live under God's commandments. Why? We will all be judged by it. Why do you think the books will be opened? How are we measured by God if there is no rule? Even the kings of the enemy are judged, Dan 5:23-27 Revelation 12:16; 14:12 shows us two marks of the followers of Christ. Those who keep the commandments and have the faith of Jesus. Keeping the commandments and having the faith of Jesus shows who you truly serve. So today, the commandments show us which God we serve. The true God or the false gods of this world that is ruled by satan. But that's only how I read it.

[@smileywolf]

The way people quote Jeremiah 29:11 has always bothered me. It's so pulled out of context.

[@oztheberean]

Amen, I sure did. It's how I was taught unfortunately. I've sincerely repented.

[@hollymills4096]

I have really been blessed by your messages and thankful for finding you. The truth about the New Testament theology message is so liberating. The churches that teach Jewish anything just keeps people in bondage. I love that Jesus is not Jewish but if you say that to most believers they would think you’re a heretic and antisemitic. It seems acceptable to talk about gentile this and gentile that when the word says “ there’s no longer Jew or gentile” That should end the argument. Jesus came for “all” Howbeit, the narrow gate vs the wide gate concept is different, even though I get what you’re saying, the scripture doesn’t sound like that. Could you expand on this. Thank you again !

[@Pdub_For_Him]

Brother Doug, Having White expand his book on NCT would be great! Also, consider other NCT books/ authors for believers to check out. The Church need more exposure to NCT! Paul

[@proverbs11vs30]

yes I agree!

[@midnightexpress726]

Here’s my question: What then do we make of modern Israel?? Why is it present in our days??

[@Ken-rb7gq]

It's no different than any other nation...

[@ricoyochanan]

The significance of Israel today is that it is the fulfillment of Eze 36:24 and God's promise to restore the Jews to the land of their forefathers.

[@josephkenefic5086]

Modern day Israel is man-made Israel, not God made. Zionist, Rothschild made Israel. They are just trying to deceive by setting up what looks like end times happenings. It's not. The devil knows the scripture better than anyone.

[@ricoyochanan]

Rom 1:3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh; Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. Rom 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. Rom 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. Rev 5:5 And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, You don't get anymore Jewish than that.

[@smileywolf]

I have not read the book you asked about.

[@nevi-goes]

Wonderful! Maybe I got it all wrong but it kind of sounds like that when Paul got baptized into Jesus, he had this fact revealed to him that the covenant holder died that he could marry again as per Romans 7, to get married. So he became under the law of Christ, the new covenants holder. He made a wedding agreement with the new husband that raised from the dead. As with Matthew 22 and the marriage supper, he told his servants to go out and get everyone to come, following suit with Isaiah 54, 55, 56 to bring the Jew, the 10 Northern tribes, and the gentiles into marriage. Convincing The jew that the covenant was ended by the husband at his death according to the law, convincing the 10 Northern tribe scattered abroad that they could come back in to covenant because they were no longer considered adulterous as the covenant holder died. And to the gentile that was kept out my various laws of cleanliness and un circumcision, that they also now could get married Jesus and begin to fall into obedience and covenant of Christ being baptized in Jesus name, into the marriage covenant / New covenant with the law written on their hearts to do them. That we might live long and enjoy a more abundant Life through obedience to Christ Jesus and love our neighbors as ourselves or hopefully better than we love ourselves. The goal was to get them to understand how through the death of Christ as he was the covenant holder sent by God, but the old covenant being shredded allow them to sign and do covenant marriage agreement with the same covenant holder that arose from the dead as the new man/ new husband After all the law of God is perfect, converting the soul! Hallelujah, thank you Jesus Having met a homeless guy on the street, he was exhausted, many days bad addictive choices left him completely distraught. As we begin to talk a little bit, I did my best to make him comfortable and speaking with me. During our conversation and repeated multiple times that he just wanted to go home, he was tired of living on the street and the streets had completely exhausted his mentality capacity. When asked where he lived why he doesn't go home, he replied that he can't go home because his family is very religious and he has not made his confession before the priest in a couple of years. Understanding then that he had been a member of a Catholic family in a Catholic Church, I convinced him and he didn't need a priest, because he had a commitment to the high priest and that he could make his confession right there before God on his knees. He bowed his head and raising his hands to heaven again to make his confession pleaded with God for forgiveness, further asking God to take away his addiction and to restore his home, that he can go home and be received and peace. Tears ran down his face, the clouds that were overhead began to sprinkle lightly around us, and I took him home to his family and they received him. We prayed together, and I Departed, thank you Jesus. Understanding how the Catholic system works and the confessional processes that they teach, I utilize the things that the Catholics teach to set him free. In Jesus name Because he had gotten out of covenant with the Catholic Church and his family, he truly believed that he could not talk to Jesus without first making his confession to the priests in the church. Once it was explain to him that those issues were not of any consequence to God, it was clear to see that all things had changed between him and God and through the tears running down his face! Hallelujah glory be to God

[@ricoyochanan]

"Paul doesn't regard himself as a Jew, because he's not." This is classic eisegesis. Using this logic has consequences. Observe: Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Using this video's line of thinking, males are no longer males and females are no longer females. But we know that after believing in Jesus, men remain men and women remain women, and by force of logic, Jews remain Jews. That's why Paul attended the Temple, not because he was play acting. Jesus never told the Jews to abandon the Temple or said a word against it.

[@proverbs11vs30]

Have you watched the video? Doug wasn't taking about Galatians but rather 1 Corinthians (they're different contexts), by your logic, how can Paul say 'to the Jews he became like a Jew' in 1 Corinthians if he is one already? That doesn't make sense, that's like saying how can a male become like a male?

[@Ken-rb7gq]

If Paul becomes as a Jew, then he doesn't consider himself one, you can't become like something you already are and I'm not going to contradict him ...He should know, he's talking about himself.

[@ricoyochanan]

​@@proverbs11vs30I did watch the entire video. You interpret it that Paul is play acting to prove he is no longer a Jew. I interpret it that Paul is adjusting to the various customs of whoever he is preaching to, like J Hudson Taylor dressed like the Chinese on his missionary journeys in China. He did not cease to be a British citizen, likewise, Paul never ceased being a Jew.

[@Ken-rb7gq]

​​​​​ He's not play acting when he becomes "as one without law", is he? So why would you think he's play acting if he decides to "become as a Jew" when he's around Jews? So if he's not play acting either way, what is he? I say he's a Christian, not under the Law and therefore is free to eat and associate with whomever he wants. He can "become a Jew" or "become as one without Law" because he's a new creature in Christ, not a Jew or Gentile. If being a Jew means under the Law, which it does....than Paul isn't one.

[@ricoyochanan]

​@@Ken-rb7gq Rom_3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Paul says that even though God has turned to the Gentiles, He's STILL the God of the JEWS also. God is STILL calling them Jews: 1Co_1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. After salvation, Paul still refers to the Jews as Jews: 1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear:

[@ricoyochanan]

I've finally figured out what's going on here. Neo-Replacement Theology. The problem is there are hundreds of verses refuting this novel approach to this notion. Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear:

[@Ken-rb7gq]

‭Luke 8:4-18 NASB1995‬ When a large crowd was coming together, and those from the various cities were journeying to Him, He spoke by way of a parable: “The sower went out to sow his seed; and as he sowed, some fell beside the road, and it was trampled under foot and the birds of the air ate it up. Other seed fell on rocky soil, and as soon as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. Other seed fell among the thorns; and the thorns grew up with it and choked it out. Other seed fell into the good soil, and grew up, and produced a crop a hundred times as great.” As He said these things, He would call out, “He who has ears to HEAR, let him HEAR.” His DISCIPLES began questioning Him as to what this parable meant.And He said, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and HEARING they may not understand. “Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God. Those beside the road are those who have HEARD; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved. Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they HEAR, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. The seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have HEARD, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity. But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have HEARD the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance. “Now no one after lighting a lamp covers it over with a container, or puts it under a bed; but he puts it on a lampstand, so that those who come in may see the light. For nothing is hidden that will not become evident, nor anything secret that will not be known and come to light. So take care how you LISTEN; for whoever has, to him more shall be given; and whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has shall be taken away from him.”

[@gomadarwish9858]

Can you explain how Paul fellow Gods law not Moses law?

[@proverbs11vs30]

Have you had a chance to watch the video? Doug explains this distinction around 20 minutes (and following) into the livestream 🙂 as a Christian Paul is no longer under the mosaic law but when around jews he follows it

[@gomadarwish9858]

I did, but he said Paul fellow Gods law not Moses law. I thought Moses received the laws from God? Can you explain to me the difference between the two laws?

[@Dizerner]

@@gomadarwish9858 Great question there. In some sense they overlap. The Law God gave to Moses had temporal symbolic elements in it and functioned on the basis of looking forward to a better covenant. God's Law-in the universal, overarching sense-was contained within Moses' Law in the moral attitudes it commanded to love God, but not the ceremonial and ritualistic aspects. In the sense that it was from God, it was "God's Law," but it was an Old Covenant that had an expiration date.

[@louiserasmus6568]

For Paul God's Law was now Christ's Law or "Lawful of Christ". The Law of Moses was a form or expression of God's Law for those under the Old Covenant, but not anymore neither the 10 Commandments or Words of the Covenant which were the "terms" (Exo 34:27-28) of the Old Covenant. Check Doug's "Law of Moses, Law of Christ" series, more specifically video #9-#13 from the playlist.

[@proverbs11vs30]

@@louiserasmus6568 well said!

[@davepro1]

Compare the ark of Gen 6:14 - 8:15 to national Israel (Exodus to Jesus). The nation of Israel was the ark that preserved and delivered the seed, Jesus. Gen 8:19 everyone leaves the ark behind. God’s purpose is fulfilled in Jesus. Now everyone needs to leave the “ark” behind Matt 28:18, Mark 16:15.

[@melatara]

Not even listening to this..Jesus said "Salvation is from the Jews" Stop teaching replacement theories and follow Jesus' last command to us..."Forgive them (the Jews)"

[@Ken-rb7gq]

That's ok , your comment is meaningless because it has nothing to do with the video....

[@ricoyochanan]

@melatera You noticed that too. Doug faults the teaching of dispensationalism, but he has his own dispensation teachings.

[@Dizerner]

But, he who is one in secret, is a Jew,--and, [that is], circumcision, which is of the heart, in spirit, not in letter,--whose, praise, is not of men, but of God. (Rom. 2:29 ROT) I'm as Jewish as they come on the inside.

[@GatheringJacob]

Jeremiah 3131 says that in the new covenant YHWG writes the Torah on our hearts! So what you’re saying is, he writes the Torah on our hearts so that we break it? I don’t think so. Once again, Paul’s words are getting wrongly interpreted by you. Every profit in the Old Testament called people back to the Torah given to Moses by the Almighty, and then the profit of all profits comes and turns us away from the Torah given to Moses by the Almighty? Have you ever read Deuteronomy 13? Any profit or dreamer of dream that comes and turns you away from the Torah given to Moses by the Almighty is to be stoned to death! So where would that leave the Messiah or Paul if they taught against the Torah given to Moses by the Almighty? That makes no sense whatsoever!

[@davidcrane6593]

there is only one body of Christ that paul said is made up of those who call on the Name of the Lord... its starts with Seth....

[@bugsocsollie1694]

The Body of Christ is not Israel, and nowhere does Scripture teach that we are. There are however, a few places that people get that confused, but it never says that we are Israel.

[@jaylonbachman]

Galatians 6:16. Who is the Israel of God?

[@bugsocsollie1694]

@jaylonbachman Believing Israel is the Israel of God. But Galatians 6:16 in context of verse 15 (which is only true in this Dispensation of Grace and for the Body of Christ), shows two different peoples (churches). "...and (also) on the Israel of God." Not the same group.

[@jaylonbachman]

@@bugsocsollie1694 verse 15: for in Christ, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth anything. Verse 16: and as many as walk according to this rule, peace be upon them (the individuals who believe circumcision or uncircumcision availeth nothing), and upon the Israel of God (the church, the entity made up of all those individuals at the beginning of the verse; whether they be Jew or Gentile) Romans 11 and Ephesians 2 make it clear that Gentiles have been grafted into the one body of believers. Israel was also destined to have gentiles part of it. Genesis 35:10-11, Exodus 12:47-48, Isaiah 66:19-21, Isaiah 54:1-3, Zechariah 9:10, Acts 15:16, Romans 11:17-24

[@bugsocsollie1694]

@jaylonbachman Does Israel walk according to this rule? Galatians 2:9, Acts 21:20, even Revelation 7:4, which is after this Dispensation of Grace is over. In the Body of Christ there is no distinction made between Jew and Gentile. 1 Corinthians 12:13. In Israel's Doctrine, there absolutely is a distinction made.

[@jaylonbachman]

@@bugsocsollie1694 this is mid acts nonsense. Yes, the Israel of God now walks according to this rule. The Israel of God, Abraham’s true seed, is Christ and all those in Christ. Matthew 2:14-15, Hosea 11:1, Galatians 3:16 and 3:29