Paul Washer on putting unity before doctrine.

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@chrismachin2166
@chrismachin2166 Ай бұрын
100 years ago,J Gresham Machen wrote “Christianity and Liberalism”. He nailed the truth of the state of Christianity even then.
@elmoman00223
@elmoman00223 Ай бұрын
@@davidmosesperez love is left undefined apart from doctrine; doctrine is futile apart from love. Neither is expendable.
@elmoman00223
@elmoman00223 Ай бұрын
@@davidmosesperez sorry you feel that way. Knowing God more intimately by careful study of His Scriptures is a sweet pursuit. He is growing my understanding of what true Christlike love is, and perhaps in an even greater sense, helped me appreciate how vast the chasm is between a total understanding of His love and my current understanding. The world has no clue what love is. God is love. The world HATES God.
@Jasonthepartydude8
@Jasonthepartydude8 Ай бұрын
"Blame the preachers not the politicians." That's the answer. This came from the covenant conference of 2022 on the subject of: Missions. For the theme of the conference is, I will build my church. I know because I go to this church. The church's name is: Grace Reformed Baptist Church and it is located in: Owensboro Kentucky. We have: 3 elders, 5 deacons, and a seminary called: CBTS (Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary).
@peterxuereb9884
@peterxuereb9884 Ай бұрын
All are Counterfeit Christians. All deny scripture.
@efrenrodriguez4329
@efrenrodriguez4329 Ай бұрын
Unity is mandated in Scriptures, but what Christians get wrong is that unity is not the goal but the result of being a true Christian. Being of like mind is only possible if there's a true connection with the Lord. Every human is unique and different, but there's only one Spirit and one truth, and I speak to Christians here in case you're reading this and have other beliefs, in which case this doesn't apply to you if you disagree.
@paulimmanuel2541
@paulimmanuel2541 Ай бұрын
Amen to that!
@mikelyons2831
@mikelyons2831 24 күн бұрын
Washer is a self admitted Calvinist. "Only a pre-selected elect few will irresistibly turn to Christ & all others can't"...is not a biblical doctrine.
@jessedutch3086
@jessedutch3086 26 күн бұрын
I used to go to a CB church, comfortably unified in exclusive doctrines everybody always felt had to be tested over and over again. So happy to currently be in a church which houses approx 30 + nationalities and where we hold to a vast majority of views on the majority of Christ teachings. There is one teaching that we all hold on to with our lives: Christ crucified and ressurected into new life. We see growth and people come to the same Christ. Being in such a church is challenging and humbling as I need not put my views higher than my fellow brother and sisters.
@wallyweaver2724
@wallyweaver2724 Ай бұрын
Unity amongst born again Brethren is only maintained through the relentless truthful teaching and preaching of all Biblical doctrines as written in God's Word.
@marklundberg2471
@marklundberg2471 Ай бұрын
That’s the best point for this time in history. But, I will take it a step further that we have not lived like Jesus so that He could glorify the Father Using Us!
@GatheringJacob
@GatheringJacob Ай бұрын
Truth is the pinnacle, the top, the peak of importance in the unity of the saints! How can we be one as the Father is one with the son, when we do not promote the same Father and the same son that they are and that they revealed? Unity with other saints is NOT primary, union with the Father and the son are, and through that primary union, based in the truth of who they are, that unifies the body with each other!
@sweetsweetpapa
@sweetsweetpapa Ай бұрын
or 1 Cor 13:13
@GatheringJacob
@GatheringJacob Ай бұрын
@@sweetsweetpapa truth is not in 1 Cor 13, so not sure what you are referring to or getting at. Maybe take 2 minutes and clearly communicate.
@icecoolguita
@icecoolguita Ай бұрын
@@sweetsweetpapa 1 Corinthians 13 implies we are to love God and people but we cannot take this passage and use it to love people above God. We are loving people above God when we let a person bring false teaching into the Church-not caring how God views it. (Jesus physically driving out the moneylenders in the Temple comes to mind). How many times in the New Testament does it talk about keeping the Church clean? In general, our modern Churches do not do that because we love people but we do not truly love God or care about God's Holiness. When Scripture talks of love it never downplays truth. It never downplays holiness. God is Love and God is Holy.
@sweetsweetpapa
@sweetsweetpapa Ай бұрын
@@GatheringJacob or was it 1 Cor 13:2?
@duncescotus2342
@duncescotus2342 Ай бұрын
To hell with John 17?
@BruceAndrews-h8d
@BruceAndrews-h8d Ай бұрын
Thank You! If you won't take it from Paul Washer, you're doomed.
@didactic318
@didactic318 Ай бұрын
Yes! Thank you! Unity for the sake of unity is dangerous! You need something to be united on! My former church talks against the "need to be right"... of course, we need to be right about Christ! We can be right and gentle and respectful.
@JesseStevenPollom
@JesseStevenPollom Ай бұрын
Great words!
@RevivalGraceMinistries
@RevivalGraceMinistries Ай бұрын
I love the guy, he is passionate… at the same time, he thinks that only *his* doctrine is true. What he doesn’t realize, God doesn’t need his protection, Bible doesn’t need his protection. God can take care of anything, He is Omnipotent. Remember what happened to Saul. He was on fire against Christians, but God changed Him, because that was His will. No human could change Saul and no doctrine... but God
@paulimmanuel2541
@paulimmanuel2541 Ай бұрын
I think the point he's making is the church might compromise the truth. This in itself is dangerous as it will inevitably lead many away from God's truths. Imagine the apostle Paul not correcting the churches but accepting their practices. Many would have been led astray.
@RevivalGraceMinistries
@RevivalGraceMinistries Ай бұрын
@@paulimmanuel2541 Good point! The only thing is, apostle Paul planted those churches that he criticized. He taught them everything. This one is criticizing churches he didn’t plant nor taught.
@TheRazmotaz
@TheRazmotaz Ай бұрын
Your right, if one sees others giving a false Gospel, you should watch in silence if you were not the one who planted that church. Yes, that is sarcasm. In reality, Christ has “planted” every church and he uses members of His body to do it. If one member of the body sees gang green setting up in another part of the body one would expect them to do SOMETHING to cure it - lest the whole body suffer. After all, we are all one body, are we not?
@RevivalGraceMinistries
@RevivalGraceMinistries Ай бұрын
@@TheRazmotaz In the time of Apostle Paul were there other churches not planted by him? I'm pretty sure there were. The church in Rome is one example of those. Do we have any biblical accounts of Apostle Paul rebuking those ofther churches? Who decides what is false and what is true Gospel? On which grounds? Why sould I take somebody's understanding of the Gospel, insted of the one that I have from personal relationships with Christ, studying the Bible, praying and listning to the Holy Spirit? When some member sees something as gangrene, but it reality he's just blind and cannot tell what's gangrene what's not, shouldn't he jsut look at himself and figure his own stuff first? When he's attacking the very idea of the church unity, does he then suggests that we aren't all one body?
@TheRazmotaz
@TheRazmotaz Ай бұрын
@@RevivalGraceMinistries There are many accounts of the Apostle John doing so. In fact. Many of his doctrinal points were countering the Gnostics - which was infiltrating the church. Also, the whole book of Romans was because he did NOT start that church. Remember when Paul rebuked Peter (and his Jewish cohorts for adding to the gospel? So yea, even Paul rebuked some that he himself did not plant.
@tas-studios
@tas-studios Ай бұрын
Exactly what Spencer Smith says all the time.
@peterpulpitpounder
@peterpulpitpounder Ай бұрын
Classic "Paul Washer is made again" sermon. The good news is that God hasn't dropped His hammer, he's still building His church, and there are good things going on within the realm of Christendom.
@sskuk1095
@sskuk1095 Ай бұрын
This is a nice short clip to send to someone after a debate! [If you can read this I've probably sent this to you!]
@Lukandon
@Lukandon Ай бұрын
I have a Christian friend who goes to a church that was preaching recently that we shouldn't be living "stereotypical" male and female roles in a marriage in this modern western culture. My friend was arguing that as long as we believe in the same God and gospel, that it's fine that we have all these denominations. He also said the Bible was written for that time back then. I don't think he was recognising the problem in his logic... I tried my best to explain, but he wasn't listening. Might be because he's severely autistic.
@michaelnewzealand1888
@michaelnewzealand1888 Ай бұрын
No wonder he is talking fast, because he doesn't give people time to think about the contradictory nature of some of the things that he's saying, firstly he says you cannot have Unity around vague things without the essentials and then tries to include the non-essentials that there is differences of opinion over. So yes we can carry out the Great Commission with those that we had differences with as long as we are all born again believers in Christ. Otherwise if you take the extreme position unless you are a 5 point calvinist you can have no part of fellowship or Unity with someone who is.
@RevivalGraceMinistries
@RevivalGraceMinistries Ай бұрын
Anotehr 🎯
@RepentfollowJesus
@RepentfollowJesus Ай бұрын
He is a reformed baptist
@ash-pm2pv
@ash-pm2pv Ай бұрын
Unity around vague things without essentials than include non essentials? What.....? Do you even understand what he is talking about? Or are you just mad without knowing why. ( He is saying that modern days mission and churches has neglected doctrines. correct doctrines are essentials for unity And the great commission.)
@RevivalGraceMinistries
@RevivalGraceMinistries Ай бұрын
@@ash-pm2pv who decides what doctrines are correct? Who has enough authority on this earth to claim their doctrine is the only correct one?
@johnnazaroff5385
@johnnazaroff5385 Ай бұрын
How True
@michaelnewzealand1888
@michaelnewzealand1888 Ай бұрын
How about just preach some scriptures like John 3:16. Or I like using a lot of verses from Romans. There maybe differences of opinions on some of them but I think most of the first five chapters are pretty straightforward.
@RevivalGraceMinistries
@RevivalGraceMinistries Ай бұрын
Too much pride to do that... he better bash those who are more liberal, stir emotions, etc
@eddiesprain8243
@eddiesprain8243 Ай бұрын
Who named this, he is clearly putting doctrine before unity.
@stevelarkins2252
@stevelarkins2252 Ай бұрын
Amen
@dave.h4075
@dave.h4075 Ай бұрын
Where's the original or full session please?
@BenjaminShotts
@BenjaminShotts Ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHSzmJadlpWmhtksi=GqnsPMG99KeDPihE
@haystackhomeschool
@haystackhomeschool Ай бұрын
Which doctrines? All of them? All that he decides are important? I dont actually have to lay aside my doctrines in order to fellowship with anybody.
@robertthiesen2687
@robertthiesen2687 Ай бұрын
Unity is clearly a main theme of the New Testament, especially the reconciliation of Jews and Gentiles, united at the expense of the Jewish Law and on the sufficient basis of their faith in Jesus Christ, who is a person, not a doctrine. This does not imply that doctrine is unimportant or that churches cannot be specific about ehat they believe, but you better tremble if you make your doctrine the Law for your fellow Christians.
@Vikingshop
@Vikingshop Ай бұрын
PLEASE SHARE THIS VIDEO EVERYWHERE ! "Unity before Doctrine" IS DESTROYING THE CHURCH OF CHRIST !
@michaeljguy
@michaeljguy Ай бұрын
Title of the original sermon?
@BenjaminShotts
@BenjaminShotts Ай бұрын
@@michaeljguy Here's the full sermon kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHSzmJadlpWmhtksi=9hZ-oPWOmDd9PJrb
@michaeljguy
@michaeljguy Ай бұрын
@@BenjaminShotts thank you.
@stevp51
@stevp51 27 күн бұрын
I don’t know this person or his position, qualifications. What I do know, is that this clip included lots of accusations and ZERO examples. The divisions of man made denominational doctrine and legalism are the worst things to happen to the church since Constantine married the church and paganism. I will agree that the gospel needs to be the absolute standard. If a person or church compromises those concepts (Jesus is who He says He is, fully God and fully man, that He died on the cross as a substitutionary sacrifice for humanity, that God is triune, and the ONLY way to salvation is by accepting the free gift in Jesus), however, in agreement with Augustine, anything outside of this gospel can be respectfully debated without threatening God’s truth. When I think of unity in God’s church today, i would define it as unity in the TRUE gospel as described above. As the final days continue to approach, the church MUST put aside these man made differences and unite to bring as many of His lost children home to Him as possible. We can’t do that if we keep bickering about the “small stuff”.
@wpuymac
@wpuymac Ай бұрын
Fantastic clip.
@dsheppard8492
@dsheppard8492 Ай бұрын
preach all the false doctrines you want. as long as we feel good it will all be fine in the end.
@JamesStansell
@JamesStansell Ай бұрын
Where is this from? Did he offer an answer?
@BenjaminShotts
@BenjaminShotts Ай бұрын
@@JamesStansell here's the full sermon kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHSzmJadlpWmhtksi=_pQTVw_jFLwXP267
@TypicalTGreen
@TypicalTGreen Ай бұрын
His answer is, value and teach truth over unity if necessary.
@michaelnewzealand1888
@michaelnewzealand1888 Ай бұрын
Sometimes it's not lowering your estimate on the value of Truth or absolute truth of scripture but it is lowering your estimate on your own interpretation maybe that is an issue Paul. I value the scripture and doctrinal accuracy as much as anyone but if I take that to an extreme I would need to have everybody believe exactly the same as I do because I don't think I'm wrong on anything obviously because if I did I would change my opinion, so part of the problem is also pride around doctrinal accuracy.
@RevivalGraceMinistries
@RevivalGraceMinistries Ай бұрын
🎯
@mikem4883
@mikem4883 Ай бұрын
Blame most Christians also who do not witness for Christ. No, not even pass out a tract.
@markhannay7586
@markhannay7586 Ай бұрын
ONLY those who DO the will of my Father in Heaven WILL enter in……..you can hand out all the tracts you want brother……He who has ears let him hear…….
@scriptwriter1268
@scriptwriter1268 Ай бұрын
I highly doubt it
@watsons4233
@watsons4233 Ай бұрын
Come out and be ye separate
@papadavewatson
@papadavewatson Ай бұрын
Nope! I refuse to have unity with false doctrine. Especially the doctrine of Washer.
@michaelperigo6746
@michaelperigo6746 Ай бұрын
The answer is to come home to the Catholic Church.
@bangunarne5366
@bangunarne5366 Ай бұрын
Unity in what? unity in Lordship salvation heresy??
@2wheelz3504
@2wheelz3504 Ай бұрын
Give examples and be specific. He seems upset, but I can't figure out what he is actually upset about. Which doctrines? This kind of sermon gets people riled up but provides no information on which to act. General tirades leave people emotionally fired up but not knowing what to do.
@carld2796
@carld2796 Ай бұрын
I must say, I was left with the same conclusion. The only thing I noted was that it was a brief portion of the message, so to be charitable (I think I can do that-not totally sure any more with all these endless doctrinal debates lol), it may be that he touched on some pertinent issues. To me personally, this is just another go round. This has been considered and worked through from the beginning of the Gospel expansion. See Acts 15. It's just in vogue again. And perhaps, necessary for some. What concerns me is that there is a general throwing out of the baby with the bath water. It is as though "unity" is of little importance or none, which is clearly contrary to what the apostle Paul taught (Eph. 4:1-6; Phil. 2:1-4--here unity is not based on doctrine specifically; Paul is concerned about us acting like Christ in humility and love giving preference to the concerns of others and not ourselves.) This would be fruitful to (discuss if you must) put into practice. Think and pray through it and find where you stand, and move forward from there. God will judge what we built on the foundation, which is Christ, on the day He has set. (I Cor. 3:10-15). Not too concerned about everybody else's opinion (I Cor. 4:3-5). We'll all be judged by the only Judge. Sorry, didn't mean to ramble so much. But, now that its done...
@2wheelz3504
@2wheelz3504 Ай бұрын
@@carld2796 Ramble all you want. That was excellent!
@RevivalGraceMinistries
@RevivalGraceMinistries Ай бұрын
I get his context without explanation. It's obvious. Because it's what that group of conservative Christians do all the time. They attack any view that is more liberal and any doctrine that's different from their own. What makes him upset is the very existence of a different view.
@conradhertzler5369
@conradhertzler5369 Ай бұрын
@@carld2796 Spot on! Well stated. I understand Washer's concerns on one hand, but I'm bothered by how unity seems to be put on the back burner. Important, but not AS important as doctrine. Of course, this is one short clip. Maybe a discussion with him would yield a different opinion.
@Dryboneslive
@Dryboneslive Ай бұрын
He is right on. You must stand fast in good doctrine before you can be united. Philippians 2:2 “make my joy complete by being of the SAME mind, maintaining the SAME love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.” When we disagree in doctrine we are not of same mind, same love, united in spirit or intent in one purpose.
@frankregg9048
@frankregg9048 Ай бұрын
This is not good. The time we are living in.
@Ben94729
@Ben94729 Ай бұрын
The reason why we are living in this time is because people have forsaken doctrine and the word of God, and thus we forsake the Gospel and were taken over by the culture.
@taylormoore3121
@taylormoore3121 Ай бұрын
If we get real about the topic of unity we must need humility. Real humility. The type of humility that recognizes how truly blind we are to the truth Jesus Christ established on earth. In our pride we are the ones that fragmented the Church. It's not God's will to have 45,000 different denominations of Christianity. That just opens the door to the evil spirit of relativism. The Jews were one people, under 1 law, and 1 temple. All over scripture is a call for unity. Gal 5 for one example. We weren't supposed to abandon the Church in our pride. We were supposed to work together as a family to work out the kinks. Jesus Christ married one bride. Not 45,000 different brides. He is not an adulterer. Do prudent and honest research. Pray that Jesus heals your spiritual blindness and illuminates our pride. His Church is not likely how YOU want Church to be. But it's how HE wants it to be. So are you going to be obedient to God if you find the true Church? Or stay in your rebellious ways? God Bless.
@imbecilicGenius-hn3jo
@imbecilicGenius-hn3jo Ай бұрын
This reads like a catholic ralking point without the word "catholic" in it so as to steer away people who see that as a bad word. If I'm correct, then I'd ask you to be truthful as to who you are.
@MelissaSauer-f4d
@MelissaSauer-f4d Ай бұрын
Define humility. Subjective
@michaelnewzealand1888
@michaelnewzealand1888 Ай бұрын
So what's the true church?
@taylormoore3121
@taylormoore3121 Ай бұрын
@@michaelnewzealand1888 How about a prayer? My Lord and my God, help me to grow closer to You. Guide me, protect me, strengthen me, and console me. Lord Jesus Christ graciously send Your Holy Spirit upon me to guide me to the truth of who you revealed Yourself to be; not who I think you are. Help me to be like a child to you. To be simply obedient and amazed at Your mysterious ways; awed by Your glory. Please free me from spiritual blindness and teach me humility. I love you Lord. Help me to love you more. Amen. Praying this with earnest surrender and curiosity to the truth will lead you to that answer. God Bless you
@RevivalGraceMinistries
@RevivalGraceMinistries Ай бұрын
Amen, brother! 🙏🏻
@peterpulpitpounder
@peterpulpitpounder Ай бұрын
Yes, Christians must value doctrine before unit, but must Paul Washer always paint in black, and is it always as drab and gloomy as he makes it out to be? No, it is not! God hasn't dropped His hammer, He's still building His Church, and there are yet many wonderful and godly churches within the realm of Christendom who preach the unadulterated gospel of Christ. AND I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH HIS THE LAST STATEMENT WASHER MADE AT THE END OF THIS VIDEO CLIP. He said: "Do you want to know why we're in the condition we are now right now in the United States of America? Don't you dare blame the politicians. It's the preachers." That's a bunch of bunk. He's beating the church up again, like he always does. Sure, we can find some degree of blame due to corruption and compromise within the realm of Christendom, but there are many different reasons for the moral and spiritual decline within our country today.
@markhannay7586
@markhannay7586 Ай бұрын
What’s the difference between Calvinism and Mormonism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism, or many other isms……that what I say……what’s the difference! They are deceptions to get to God himself. John 7-17….. this is how you find out EVERYTHING. The way is NARROW and only a FEW FIND it. He who has ears let him hear.
@BenjaminShotts
@BenjaminShotts Ай бұрын
@markhannay7586 “The doctrines of original sin, election, effectual calling, final perseverance, and all those great truths which are called Calvinism-though Calvin was not the author of them, but simply an able writer and preacher upon the subject-are, I believe, the essential doctrines of the Gospel that is in Jesus Christ. Now, I do not ask you whether you believe all this-it is possible you may not; but I believe you will before you enter heaven. I am persuaded, that as God may have washed your hearts, he will wash your brains before you enter heaven.” - Charles Spurgeon
@andyontheinternet5777
@andyontheinternet5777 Ай бұрын
This would be edifying if the doctrines he is arguing for were clear.
@JuanRodriguez-jn7zx
@JuanRodriguez-jn7zx Ай бұрын
Está es es una de las razones por las cuales aborrezco el Calvinismo, porque insulta la santidad de Dios deformando vulgarmente su carácter.
@BigCowboy777
@BigCowboy777 Ай бұрын
Negar las doctrinas de la gracia niega la omnipotencia y la omnisciencia de Dios.
@whatistruth2810
@whatistruth2810 Ай бұрын
@@BigCowboy777 Acepta las doctrinas de la "gracia" niega la biblia. Calvinismo es casi blasfemia en contra de Dios.
@jesussaves3741
@jesussaves3741 Ай бұрын
@@BigCowboy777 Cual versículo dice eso?
@jesussaves3741
@jesussaves3741 Ай бұрын
@@whatistruth2810 Amen! las doctrinas de la gracia no estan en la Biblia.
@michaelgunn9883
@michaelgunn9883 Ай бұрын
Paul Washer is dancing around the issue, and the reason why is because he denies the power of the Holy Spirit. Unity is not based on doctrine, it's based on recognition of the Holy Spirit in others. The reason why Paul can't see this is because he is a Cessationist. He denies the working of the Holy Spirit today, and that limits the power that the Holy Spirit can have on his ministry.
@BenjaminShotts
@BenjaminShotts Ай бұрын
Paul is not dancing around the issue he is addressing the exact error you're arguing. 1 John is very clear the believer believes in the revelation of God. For instance mormons claim to be christians but I'm sure you probably don't accept them as true believers because of their doctrines. We worship in Spirit and truth to be a true worshipper but there's a heretical ecumenical movement that says just the spirit and that spirit is not The Holy Spirit. I am a former charismatic who experienced it all by the way.
@nottalackey3587
@nottalackey3587 Ай бұрын
It is time for unity, but around what? Jesus said Peter would open the gospel to the Jews first and then the Gentiles. But unionization has gotten in the way. Denominations are preachers unions. Either you preach doctrinal points 1-23 and only those or you cannot be Baptist. We further enforce the system with the trust clauses where the denomination can take over the church you paid for if those points are not followed. Jesus said Peter would open heaven to the Jew first and then the Gentile. On the day of Pentecost, the saints burst out of the upper room having received the Spirit they had been promised, the Pentecostal experience. When he told a crowd of thousands of religious pilgrims they had crucified their Messiah, the crowd was terrified and asked what to do. So he told them to "accept Jesus as their personal saviour". Well, not really. He said (1) repent (2) be baptized in Jesus Name and (3) get the Pentecostal experience. He said it would be true for all the Lord would call, both distant in geography and time. Then in Acts 10 he opened the door to the Gentiles with the same message. So why is there a 99% chance your pastor isn't telling you this? Because he is in a union (a/k/a denomination) and will lose his church and his job if he tells you the truth. You can go to an Apostolic church but they ADD to the gospel unscriptural dress codes. So have one of them baptize you and start your own work. You are probably sitting on your butt in church anyway when you should be on the streets with the gospel. Start with your friends.
@anacenteno4874
@anacenteno4874 Ай бұрын
Wow, he keeps dong the same...You've lost me!!! Ja ja
@olivierbolduc8360
@olivierbolduc8360 Ай бұрын
Bullseye ! Sadly 😢
@BereanFellowship
@BereanFellowship Ай бұрын
The free will gospel is the doctrine of devils. The KJV is the preserved word of God.
@BenjaminShotts
@BenjaminShotts Ай бұрын
@@BereanFellowship The KJV is one translation of the preserved word.
@BereanFellowship
@BereanFellowship 2 күн бұрын
Modern English versions are perversions. Washer needs to repent from promoting them!
@denniscraven8438
@denniscraven8438 Ай бұрын
His life is dedicated to furthering the confusing, convoluted teachings of Calvin. Nothing new here folks…
@eugenejoseph7076
@eugenejoseph7076 Ай бұрын
Sure! Unity over doctrine as long as its reformed doctrine! No thanks! Just preaching that John 3:16-17 does not really mean what it says. Reformed theology is heresy.
@indigos290
@indigos290 Ай бұрын
No. It doesn't mean what you think it says. There's a difference. Just calling something heresy doesn't confirm your statement.
@mikeashleigh777
@mikeashleigh777 Ай бұрын
You couldn't be more wrong.
@indigos290
@indigos290 Ай бұрын
@@mikeashleigh777 you haven't articulated anything of any theological substance to evidence your claim. So the exegesis on John 3:16-17 for me. Right here. Analyze the context and original language/grammar. Set forth John's meaning based on the overall thrust of his gospel. I'll take you seriously when you can do more than an immature attempt at sarcasm and accusation of heresy.
@mikeashleigh777
@mikeashleigh777 Ай бұрын
@@indigos290 Are you claiming that Washer is holding out that John 3:16 does not mean what it states? Where do you get that?
@indigos290
@indigos290 Ай бұрын
@mikeashleigh777 I'm not the one claiming anything here. You're the one that claimed that reformed theology is heresy and that Washer is twisting John 3:16-17 to make it mean something else. So I'm challenging you to explain yourself. Apply your method of hermeneutics to the passage and show your working for your conclusion.
@bradharford6052
@bradharford6052 Ай бұрын
I got about halfway through this before I turned it off. When he got to the question, if someone says something twisted and vulgar about your wife, is it not worthy of arguing about? Since Washer says so many things that are twisted and vulgar about my Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit , I thought it worthy to shut him off. The god he teaches is nearly opposite of the true Father, Son and Spirit.
@John5.24
@John5.24 Ай бұрын
Do you have examples of these twisted statements by Washer?
@bradharford6052
@bradharford6052 Ай бұрын
@@John5.24 He believes that god hates some people. He teaches that god predestined billions of people to burn in a fiery hell. He teaches the all people will end up in this hell unless they believe and follow his version of theology. He teaches that Jesus is not the actual savior of the world and did not die for all humanity like scripture teaches. He teaches that rather than being recreated in the image and likeness of Christ by His resurrection, humanity is totally depraved and God is disgusted with us all. His version of god is almost identical to Baal, Zeus, or Molech, and opposite of the God that John says is love and is described in 1 Corinthians chapter 13. This man may be sincere and well intended but he is completely ignorant concerning the essence and nature of Father, Son and Spirit, and of their human creation.
@John5.24
@John5.24 Ай бұрын
@bradharford6052 I believe that Jesus died for ALL, as the scriptures plainly teach, but do you not believe that a person must personally receive Christ as their Savior in order to be saved from hell?
@bradharford6052
@bradharford6052 Ай бұрын
@@John5.24 The experience of receiving Christ as savior has nothing to do with being saved from hell. The doctrine or belief of hell is another topic but salvation is experienced by believing and confessing. BUT, and this is a big but, believing and confessing does not cause or make salvation true. Salvation and everything associated with it has been done and accomplished and imputed to all humanity by and through the finished work of Jesus Christ. Believing or disbelieving does not change the efficacy of the atonement that Jesus accomplished for everyone that He died for. Believing and confessing causes us to begin to experience and benefit from our inheritance that has been given to us. Believing brings objective truth into subjective experience. A bit mysterious but this is how the kingdom of God which includes all of creation and in which we live and move and have our being, works. One thing that hinders our hope for ourselves and our unbelieving friends and family is the idea that physical death closes the door on repentance, believing and confessing. It does not. Physical death is simply a transition from a physical environment to a spiritual environment. Everything about us except the body of flesh makes that transition and we still can see, believe and change our thinking choices. This is good news. The typical evangelical teaching is bad news. I choose to follow the good news.
@bradharford6052
@bradharford6052 Ай бұрын
@@John5.24 I thought I responded to your question but I don’t see it. Anyway this thought came to me as I was meditating. Many people easily believe that Jesus died for all and whoever calls upon Him will be saved. Whoever believes and confesses Him as Lord are saved. But typically, those same people will not believe the scripture that declares that Every Tongue will confess Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of the Father. Seems quite clear to me that at some point, everyone WILL believe and gladly and voluntarily confess Jesus Christ as Lord. No caveats, no time limits, no preconditions. God is just that good.
@protestanttoorthodox3625
@protestanttoorthodox3625 Ай бұрын
Holy Orthodoxy the ONE True church ☦️
@russelllankton1394
@russelllankton1394 Ай бұрын
Orthodoxy= Catholicism for Jews
@papadavewatson
@papadavewatson Ай бұрын
Washer is washed up
@stevenruark2930
@stevenruark2930 Ай бұрын
Amen
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