Pavegen plans to power the world with footsteps

[@danieljensen2626]

How is no one mentioning how awkward it looks that the two guys are like two feet apart and facing each other but blatantly not looking at each other's faces?

[@estebanod]

Right!

[@lowmax4431]

I was definitely wondering what he was looking at 😂

[@folaemmanuel7719]

there are people with geniune phobias for looking others in the eye...just let it go

[@chiprhoads]

That freaked me out the whole time I was watching it.

[@actionmarco8556]

​@@folaemmanuel7719 Pretty sure this had nothing to do with any phobia. Probably a combination of bad camera angles and a blind or idiotic editor

[@mustafakjswala]

You can also put this tech in keyboards...

[@umeshpardeshi9081]

These is very easy technology bro

[@oskarrospondek1350]

Sure there is such a huge force touching keyboards. Let's be honest it's fool technology to show up nothing more cost fortune to made produce not that much in the future may cost a lot to repair. It's a shame that we promote such a scams

[@aarkestraclub326]

And wireless keyboard get energy by pressing keys no more batteries....

[@aqmalasmadie2219]

Gamers producing energy....noice

[@kunjgadhecha281]

@@aarkestraclub326 law of thermodynamics Always some energy will lost in form of heat

[@querty292]

7 years in, never steped on or seen one

[@Cowboy210z]

😂😂 Japan finally did it.

[@Enrico-o3c]

well you are always welcome t promote or help building :) ;)

[@superkaras588]

because it's stupid and not efficient. Their goal was to get funds for their "eco-friendly" startup, not to waste money on these things that will never pay themselves off. Carbon emission from creating these step generators is the same if not worse than just burning coal to get the same amount of energy.

[@WasserTipps]

What about a jogging path with this technology? You could also do an event where hundreds of people would run a marathon or so and then say how much they produced.

[@leonardo.q22]

Or concerts🤔

[@paulhamacher773]

have you ever ran on a beach where you constantly sink in the sand? You wouldn't like to do sports on that tiles.

[@aleenaprasannan2146]

@@paulhamacher773 People train on beaches especially for that. The whole point of exercising is to exert your body....not to sit in the couch comfortably

[@gaberoyalll]

great idea im down !

[@gaberoyalll]

@@paulhamacher773 i actually love running on the beach tho , easier on the joints right

[@Denelavario]

Lool I just thought of this...and then boom..someone on youtude is creating the tech already

[@saloneechadha8590]

Same. Happy yet annoyed. Innovation is hard now!

[@trifalgarh]

You could still implement your own version for say your neighbourhood. As long it helps the world become greener that could be counted as a win :)

[@alvinotieno2713]

me too. Today actually.

[@fadijunejo3965]

Me too 🤫🤫🤫🤫😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣😂

[@mckostasgk]

Thats how an engineer's thinking starts if you see an idea of yours made then you are on the right track.

[@liljasere]

I respect that unlike other similar start ups you are not trying to put it in the roads for obvious reasons, The energy has to come from somewhere so walking on this surface will be more exhausting than walking on a nice hard pavement with no yield not to mention unsettling

[@The_Devil_Himself]

Thing is, many people in developed countries already eat TOO much. So instead of forcing people to consume more carbon heavy food, these energy-hungry walking paths could function as an way for people to burn even more unhealthy weight than during normal walking, while their difficulty could potentially be harnessed as trackable resistance training by athletes.

[@Tbugfish]

So, the problem with putting these on roads is that the energy has to come from the fuel in the cars. Cars will burn fuel more efficiently on stiff, flat roads, but will lose efficiency the more elastic the road is. So, by putting elastic generators in the roads, you're taking the energy away from cars, making them less efficient. If you want to generate energy from commuting, put these in your shoes. You'll burn more calories than wearing regular shoes, and charge your phone at the same time.

[@youtmeme]

well, I for one. am hoping for a more fuel efficient, electric. or solar or kinetic, car that would not have such a problem with 'wasted energy'.😉

[@Tbugfish]

@Cubic Planet Solid tires are efficient, but the issue here isn't with the tires, it's with the road. The road needs to be as solid as possible for cars to drive efficiently. The most efficient way to drive would be with solid tires on a solid road. A good example of very efficient transportation is trains. They can travel at much higher efficiencies partly due to their solid metal wheels on solid metal rail roads.

[@janold0808]

Yeah and I think this vid made it clear that they are nowhere near finding a solution for that. The focus was pedestrians only at first. Although I am curious what developments were made in the last 4 years...

[@AL_THOMAS_777]

@@Tbugfish exactly ! So why don´t we use this stuff on r a i l w a y s ? And there you have g r e a t p r e s s u r e too !

[@foxrumor]

@@youtmeme converting any kind of energy always has waste.

[@flireferret3050]

I'm pretty sure that if these were put on roads, the cars would waste the amount of energy they created just having to roll from the lowered price they were just on to the next peice, the energy is being taken from somewhere and it's either the energy were using to walk with making it an uncomfortable experience to walk or the energy used to drive with making driving less efficient

[@naptastic]

Plus the added wear on tires, plus the added microplastic emissions--this is definitely a losing proposition.

[@aleenaprasannan2146]

This will be great in gyms for aerobic exercises, in bus stops and it can potentially turn school staircases into power mills. A great alternative in places that have clouded skies frequently or long rainy seasons which could hamper solar energy generation.

[@gaberoyalll]

excellent idea !

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

You do realise that this will increase the effort done by people and so people won't like it because they will get tired faster, right?

[@aleenaprasannan2146]

@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Look at the examples I mentioned carefully. All of it is instances where you'd naturally exert more force. You go to gyms for the purpose of exerting yourself. When you step up from ground to a bus and when you step down, you are exerting more force. Just like how you do in stairway. Besides people are not going to fly up into a bus or staircase just because this will tire them a bit more

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

@@aleenaprasannan2146 if you don't get this EXTREMELY obvious question, there is no point in discussing it with you. Have a nice day!

[@aleenaprasannan2146]

@@TheAllMightyGodofCod The problem is that you actually don't seem to realize the difference in biomechanics of walking on a plain surface and climbing steps and assuming the 'getting tired faster' part in level ground to those of steps. When you step down from a step to this tile, you will not be exerting more force. You will only be transmitting the natural force from your weight on to the tile, as the direction of force is the same as the direction of gravity. You exert yourself when your movement is not in the same direction as gravity, which is why walking on this tile in level surface needs more effort. While step up platforms for aerobic exercises, stairways, of just getting on a bus with this tile is not going to need anymore effort at all than without it. Why? Because the tiles' movement is along the same plain are those movements and gravity. So instead of being condescending, if you don't understand how this tile would feel for different movements, brush up on the fundamentals of mechanics. It's really just very rudimentary physics

[@BrettBaker0]

Who filmed this? The staging of the subjects is so odd and the camera angles are uncanny. Did you film the interviewer on a green screen? WTF is going on??

[@dustbunnys]

Brett Baker seriously! This looks so awkward for some reason.

[@harrymu148]

I think they're both looking at teleprompters. they should at least look once! kinda looks like a staring game that has been reversed!

[@hoOdwiNkeRr]

I was scrolling comments for this 😂 At first i thought as if they both are blind

[@estherbruning]

Them not looking directly at each other is so off-putting. It just looks wrong. Not to mention inauthentic.

[@actionmarco8556]

It is soooo wrong. Who edited this and thought this is gonna look good?

[@AfterDarkM]

I was all for this until I heard retailers tracking pedestrian traffic

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

We already do this, just with other methods like cameras, motion sensors, heat sensors, phone location data, surveys and etc…

[@Jorge-sy4bp]

They need investment, and waste iot tech in such a nice system is vital for a yes or a no for funding

[@youtmeme]

who cares!! a retailer, you pay for the experience. yes, I personally don't care either for the idea of monitoring, but it is a fantastic idea for energy sustainability!

[@Kevinmoss3321]

dont connect it to your smart phone or dont bring your smart phone. prblem solved if people want to let people track them and get paid for it why not

[@StephenLawson]

I had this idea 10 years ago... goddamnit

[@abcd123906]

I feel like people would take one step on that surface and then decide to walk around it because it feels wobbly (also it is more strenuous to walk on/takes more energy). Also, how much energy are we talking about? How many kilowatt-hours per 1000 steps let’s say?

[@Enrico-o3c]

they will need some analysts in about 3 to 4 months I guess anyways.. then we will learn about it .. I presume.. I do not believe people will walk around if you make them look aesthetic and secure :)

[@anthonymazzone2875]

How long will these last before needing repair/replacement? What is the availability of parts, etc? How long will they last in a sandy/dirty environment?

[@Enrico-o3c]

good questions..

[@mdgulamrasool4103]

Can they even recover the amount of energy it is put into making and installing them.

[@Uniquecapture]

This was the first question that jumped into my mind when i watched the video.

[@locutormetal]

Good Question!

[@alex121429]

Long term, probably. Imagine powering a whole stadium with these things

[@tchogon4692]

Definitely, 20s of light with one single foot step...

[@lucasjohnson2939]

z0ny it’s an LED strip though, very little energy required, and the video showed that it is not on for 20 seconds. Also, I would imagine that there’s more energy going into these then people imagine, from breaking up whatever surface these are replacing to running cables etc. not only that, these may or may not wear out over time, and considering what piezoelectricity is I lean towards the former, not the latter, meaning that these will need to be replaced possibly many times.

[@jokermorningstar5816]

if you´d replace every sidewalkwith this, connect it to a Battery that saves the generated energy. you could use said energy to light the sidewalks at night. this would save so much energy(cost) then make it mandatory for every goverment building to have solar panels

[@davidl.e5203]

Laws of energy conservation. By installing these generators on pavements, you also make it harder for people to walk on. If its easy to walk on, then it doesn't generate much energy. Catch-22. Would make sense to install around a gym to capture all those calories customers are trying to burn.

[@chimerawizard5639]

seems interesting, makes me wonder what the $/watt over its lifetime is and how many rare earth materials are required to build them. if it's cheap to build, let's just cover entire buildings with them across all pedestrian walkways. isles, check-out lines, sidewalks. If it's expensive, let's bribe the company who made this to make their findings public and put a bounty for whoever can make it the most cost effective in 15 years gets 50M USD or something.

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

If we take into consideration that slightly annoying problem that energy doesn't come "out of nowhere" we will soon realise what a waste of materials this is.

[@izzosings]

I live in DC and just saw this in dupont the other day! I was wondering what it was

[@Pumie03]

So one can meet friends in town just strolling and say "making money" when they ask "what are you doing here"? Pretty darn cool.

[@cybenkencasugbo5174]

Hi! we found your project very innovative and unique, especially it deals with the conservation of energy in our modern world. As a researcher and a student taking aviation studies from PATTS College of Aeronautics in the Philippines, we would like to ask a permission to use this video in our research as we seek to know its potential in our country specifically the Ninoy Aquino International Airport or the Manila International Airport to sustain a specific airport operation/s. research title is "The potential of pavegen tiles to Ninoy Aquino International Airport towards a more sustainable airport operations". your reply will be very much appreciated! Thank you!

[@akashnipasale8712]

hii sir you make this project

[@albi_in8047]

Having this idea in mind for 2 years. And now I found that someone else just executed a year before I was even thinking 🥴

[@PoliTechlySpeaking]

Execution is important...be happy about it...

[@amgtowmonk2915]

I have idea's very lucrative.

[@mercychepkurui9158]

@@amgtowmonk2915 For me it's 4 years after implementation 😂😂😂,,,, just shows that your brain is at work

[@MissA369-5]

Why isn’t this on the 16th St. mall in Colorado

[@alekosresbanagarai8528]

Imagine this London Oxford Street, or New York Time square or so many other citys with busy roads... Revolution...

[@JasmineRenate]

I just had a thought on this idea! Steps for generating Power. Wow! I would like to see it work!

[@youtmeme]

the military designed this year's ago, but hopefully it can work for all everyday use now!

[@friendingafrica1056]

Good technology and revolution in the energy sector, just wondering why the don'ts aren't been discussed. Measures to earthquakes, lightnings, thunders???

[@gavinpage4157]

Bit concerned about why it can connect to your phone, so they know who you are.

[@kushalsharma8635]

I came up with this idea and started searching on internet and found this company, now thinking why I didn't got the idea first.

[@edithedmlbb]

This was presented already by Ateneans 11 years ago as speed humps that produces electricity.

[@LornaLovitt]

Just imagine highways made with these! It would light up major cities!

[@lerneninverschiedenenforme7513]

now is three years later

[@shanmukhaadapa896]

what is the rating of single cell? how much energy was generated by the pavement?

[@voldy3565]

Cover a busy highway with these and you got profit.

[@yalkn2073]

Yes, you can power a single lamp with all that power

[@voldy3565]

@@yalkn2073 Well that's something too.

[@mubashirakhtar789]

I am pretty sure it is more than that. You need to see the video by Jun Fu Clean Energy Co.,Ltd.

[@yalkn2073]

@@mubashirakhtar789 And I am pretty sure manufacturing and maintenance cost would far outweigh its energy output

[@Ryooken]

@@yalkn2073 Not really, if you put it on one highway you could probably power half the state with the amount of daily traffic. Hell in high traffic areas, we are talking millions of joules of power just waiting to be tapped.

[@GreenSolutionsIsrael2009]

looks great !

[@hendrixtarantado2114]

Put this on sidewalks and other places where people usually go for walks. But on the road might cost problems including maintenance and issues with automotive vehicles.

[@SINYC02]

Is anyone else curious why he’s not looking at the interviewer?

[@arbozaliyan]

there are people who steals sidewalk stones. I don't think these things would see a week on streets. But malls and air ports is a great idea.

[@BenGyaaattttt]

Imagine putting this in Mecca where people walk around the Kaaba

[@AngusHKAnimation]

This video reminds me of that one episode from Rick and Morty. where Rick's flying saucer car battery died so he had to go into his car battery to travel into another universe where he had entire civilization enslave with a kinetic stepping pad device called the (goobleboxes) where these people just stepped on these pads to generate kinetic energy just to power Rick's Car. what if we're in a car battery? Here's the video if you don't know what I'm talking about. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGWygKpoZ81-iJY

[@werce9120]

I was going to say something like that. A lot of Rick and Morty episodes ask those "What if?" questions. Nihilism is definitely a major theme of the show. If that was the case though, our perceived 100% power efficiency would likely be only 95%-10% efficient.

[@Modernnomad9]

What if we put these under treadmills?

[@Iytelimuhendis]

I love would it. this is a genius tech . We can save the world with like this improvements

[@dcbaars]

This can be used for good and for bad. If it is used in public for specific projects in a closed loop its perfect! But as soon its given to the net and hey still charge you money they can charge big numbers for public generated energy. That’s like charging people double

[@Sohel-fo2rr]

We need the same in Dhaka, Bangladesh as well.❤❤

[@luciferfluerdelis4974]

Make plates covered with alum strip cover to transfer more weight evenly across pads and stop them from ripping off... You can also design a longer shaft thats pinned to bottom so top cant come off... But strips at 35 40 mile an hr speeds optimal.. Plus rail road ties... You guys have the guts and many uses... Make current design bullet proff and using common materials so its not hard to mass produce...

[@ShitThatsMyn]

I love watching these types of videos and reading comments. You guys have no idea what you are talking about, but everyone is hyped and act as an expert on the topic. 😂

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

​@@ShitThatsMyncompletely agree. You only need a 7th grande understanding of physics and conservation of energy to realise that you will end with a net loss of energy and that these materials would produce much more energy if used in other stuff.

[@العراب-ك5ط]

Excuse me, I have a project based on this video. Can I know the components and how to assemble them?

[@mariusmuller4780]

Does an app exists that shows the live values? like total steps or steps per day and city or sth They have mentioned the "Citizen Earth App" but I cannot find it in the AppStore

[@ravikumar-wq6py]

Please plan in India Pilgrimage areas like Tirumala

[@webwana]

How does the energy we get out of it compare to the initial investment?

[@superkaras588]

like dust to a mountain

[@mutsnuts1989]

This needs to be in London.

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

I remember reading about this 20 years ago in a Scrooge McDuck cartoon.

[@StormCat539YT]

Imagine our side walks and roads with this kind of technology

[@shaunlastname391]

Maybe later, busy just now

[@The_Quaalude]

You wouldn't want this on the road

[@StormCat539YT]

@@The_Quaalude Two years later i know why. just imagine if a whole bunch of these break no bueno

[@The_Quaalude]

@@StormCat539YT well this is just taking energy from your car

[@DespReps]

Put this in a mattress! Every time you smash, Bam! You can charge your cell phone.

[@erikhicks6184]

Great Idea!

[@PandaFPV]

The Uk had this almost a decade ago

[@HamhaiDeshbhakt]

When i buy this gadget???? And what is name of this device??? Can you tell me please

[@JapletonMedia-hr2vm]

You had me until you mentioned tracking people. Fuck that.

[@KabeerAhmad-w9y]

Yes, I wanted to ask what is the cost of the tiles and if they can be ordered in Pakistan and what is the cost of the stone and if so how can they be ordered.

[@tonykett]

A Gooble Box is an electricity source used by the people of the Microverse, where when you stomp on it it generates power. 80% of the power is considered 'dangerous' and is sent up through a pipe into Rick's car.

[@precisiont5188]

This is great.

[@dacook1987]

I feel this guy has a severe issue with communications. He never look the interviewer in the eyes.

[@ash_au]

He's reading off a TelePrompTer or cue card......at least I hope he is.

[@johnhammer8668]

Thats why his brain cycles are spent in such crazy ambitious ideas,

[@hyylo]

before making judgments did you consider the possibility he might be suffering from a sight eye problem. you should judge a person by their actions. in today society its easy to bullsh*t. people still believe 9/11 was caused by a man living in a cave.

[@chanceydicklord9236]

The interviewer and the guy were filmed separately and then edited together. If you look carefully at the interviewer you'll see he isn't looking directly at the guy either.

[@laurencekemballcook739]

Thanks for this- they filmed it this way, neither of us were looking directly at each other.

[@meetsureja2420]

Very good knowledge thanks

[@arshadinamdar4034]

Maybe 10 or 15 years ago I saw three technologies related to renewables on Discovery Channel, one of them The dish looked like a umbrella which used to give electricity for a whole day to a big company in 1 hour. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@TIO540S1]

Good Heavens. 50 steps will generate about 250 joules, or 0.07 watt hours or 0.00007 kilowatt hours, worth, in my home town, about 8 ten thousandths of a penny. Give me my financial reward! To call that bullshit is an insult to bullshit.

[@1337asader]

Damn straight! and lets not forget when one produces that piss poor amount of energy they have to burn more calories and eat more food, then more food needs to be produced thus pumping C02 into the atmosphere at a higher rate then it saves

[@JanicekTrnecka]

Rob Ryan pedalling bicycle belted to generator would be more efficient. ( but not useful / practical to generate reasonable amount of energy)

[@superkaras588]

@@JanicekTrnecka yeah, because we traveled to the fucking Moon in 1969 and 40+ years later people think about generating electricity like hamster in a weel instead of harnessing the power of the universe. Why should it even sound logical that in 21st century people have to manually generate electricity? We were trying to automate and industialise electricity production over a century ago and now we're back at manual labor?

[@0isay]

Ultimately, I guess it shouldn't be tiles, but a soft ground that equalizes the force feedback, so people won't slip. Otherwise, if Thunderf00t hasn't made a "BUSTED" video on this, it's probably viable ;)

[@monst3r_child832]

Well, it's not perpetual energy, it's more like a pressure plate, which can send an electric impulse to a battery which can store the charge, it's good efficient clean energy, imagine putting these in Manhattan. With how many people walk in NYC we could probably power a lot of the state and or east coast

[@maurimetsaroos7179]

Rick and Morty episode miniverse🤣🤣

[@lucyokoroafor9500]

this is really an interesting innovation

[@nicolobaldassar4848]

Hi everybody! I'm an engineering student and i have a doubt: What happens if you stay on a tile for a long time? Is it possible that it get ruined?

[@youtmeme]

I dont think so. check out the specs on the shoes they made, its essentially the same thing. I guess it depends on the quality of materials u use for holding the chemical reaction. and if shoes were designed for long term military use and abuse. I don't think civilians merely standing for a while would ruin it.

[@LucasLopes-zf3qt]

where can i buy one of this?

[@vhilai]

Imagine this in the USA. They will have tons of power. It needs to be heavy duty though.

[@maggsvamp]

Where are you looking?

[@fathomless2151]

can’t you just make a gear system to press it or a machine that presses it then resets then repeats the process? Like I could envision rube gold berg type machines repeatedly pressing it

[@Bleepbleepblorbus]

Break dancers: UNLIMITED POOWWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@GodsLittleITGirl]

Just imagine if they put this in places like schools. Not only would this produce a lot of electricity, it would also give officers a better idea where a shooter might be at.

[@superkaras588]

cameras exist

[@ayushvlogging8478]

i am doing this project for my final semester, how effective will be this project for modern engineers

[@03019a]

from my coursework calculation, it is not worth the capital cost

[@mariusmuller4780]

Me too but I haven't started yet. Do you know if there is an app or sth to get live values? like how many steps/energy in total?

[@contemplator1993]

@@03019a like how much capital cost required to build like these?

[@03019a]

@@contemplator1993  £80 per square foot, and it can generate 7W per step

[@contemplator1993]

@@03019a 80 pound is heavy.

[@themistoklespappalas3834]

I'm sorry I'm taking the liberty to intrude for something that's not directly related, this is the only way though to find something that can't find as easily as I thought one could : Are piezoelectric materials 'energized' by way of hydrostatic pressure (changes) of any liquid, off course, but mainly water. Thank you.

[@shahilkhan5723]

When I was a student of honour's 1st year I was thinking to produce this type of electricity , but I had no facilities to find out the way to make it. The year was 2003

[@ShitThatsMyn]

And it's good that you didn't. This project is as good as juicero. This exact concept will never be a viable option.

[@martinlopez4719]

@@ShitThatsMyn why!?

[@globaldigitaldirectsubsidi4493]

Great disruptive technology. Toward energy abundance!

[@rishavkumar8192]

what happen during rainy season...Is this durable

[@marsbars4767]

Can’t you also do that with running shoes?

[@gamepro94z]

I'm sure Thunderf00t will tell us why this will never happen lmao

[@timothyreheht6485]

gamepro94z i do think it works, but i will be expensive and uncomfortable to walk on.

[@potatoraider7320]

InformativeMSPaint do we wear it? No

[@allenwest1986]

@Paramecium Tollies kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4nXgJeJnMtpf8U

[@shahidraza5954]

Minimum weight of person to press Pavegen tiles ?

[@alexc7857]

Because I wanna feel like I'm walking on a bouncy castle, just to generate enough electricity to power and LED

[@sivasubramaniamnagarajan4841]

How to store this current Puls in battery

[@sngokani]

what is return on investment time?

[@gourmetfitness5768]

What is the impact rating for these items? Can a car drive on it or a truck.

[@WSPUNIT]

they should put these on London underground

[@anthonymaurer877]

I realize we just don't have batteries to save the power so it makes it less good. But my idea is put this in a club as the dancefloor

[@ruhulrashid7091]

I’m currently staying in the most densely populated country on earth(I’ll let u figure it out😅) this would go crazy here. Anyone know if these are purchasable?

[@willalen473]

So it's like Gooble boxes from Rick and Morty were in microverse are we

[@esk8jaimes]

Could this same technology be used on an electric skateboard?

[@whoyou618]

How to invest and buy this product?

[@estebanod]

Why are they looking at each other's shoulders and not in their eyes...

[@ethanbrown6952]

If only you could use this technology to fix your eye contact

[@Hikaru_Nakamura-x2f]

what is the average energy it can collect in a single day?

[@bassamsiraj2175]

Why is he not looking at the person?

[@RR-jj9wc]

Is it's robust ?

[@Suyash212]

just put it in a disco!! that would be amazing.

[@brandonsheffield9873]

Will you pay for the labor? I'm not willing to give my service away for free.

[@handwash2714]

Good idea of converting mechanical effect into energy. Why not exploit the vast mechanical effect of the sea and ocean waves ? Isn't that an efficient way?

[@Biowolf626]

I should get these installed under my mattress 😊

[@MultiAshwin2010]

ibm already has this on their list for IBM Smart global list on future innovations...but will see who will be the first to implement and get it success...

[@Owen-ub3fv]

Who is Lawrence looking at?