Pay to Win (Low Elo Legends)

[@bf1701]

T90: "Don't trickle treb!" Jose: "Hold my beer."

[@skipper472]

One of the best low elo legends videos I've seen in a while. Nobody expects the 14 treb rush.

[@dieterdietert7232]

no rush. TIMING PUSH!

[@tbirdland]

I like the part where the six sergeants got the elite upgrade and gained vision radius and auto attacked the stone miners

[@pokefuranku]

Yeah! I noticed it too, so funny

[@phoenix3992]

Those 14 trebs and the way T90 discovered them, and what they contributed in the buildings they destroyed, so so funny. Great Low ELO game!

[@retloclive9118]

Sicilians are the opposite of the Chinese where they have a high win-rate in the lower rankings, but are abysmally low at high rank play. For a lot of Low Elo players compared to how pros see them, Sicilians probably comes off as a really overpowered civ.

[@FormaldehydeSon]

the psychic damage of seeing a donjon in feudal age is too much to handle

[@packrat9433]

T90 - seriously, I never would have started playing again except that you explained things to me that I never knew before. So keep talking about coinage, heated shot etc. It's very important to keep building the community that makes you a boss on content.

[@Seth22087]

Whole pay to win likely comes from Sicilians being DLC civilization. And likely comes from the fact that Sicilians have good win rate at lower ELO, because people have harder time to deal with with them. So that definitely is point of frustration for Jose. Also chances are, that Jose doesn't have DLC, because no one gets more annoyed by getting beaten by DLC stuff than people who can't buy it for this or that reason. Because regardless if it is overpowered or not, grass is always greener on the other side. :-D

[@indraallian6371]

You nailed it! 😎

[@krystofcisar469]

Been ther too - in my case it was after indians dlc release and i got matched against gurjaras on megarandom with insane amount of herdables... I was salty af :D

[@scottdebrestian9875]

That would all sound just a little better if blue had actually won.

[@Seth22087]

@@scottdebrestian9875 True, but you got to look it from low ELO perspective, red said it when he thought he lost. He had no idea that he could and would win abd was just frustrated at Sargent spam. Low ELO guys are in general poor judges of their chances. Luckily he decided to not quit when he said it, I kind of expected it. Though I do think he wasn't far from it.

[@nickyreynolds3326]

I bet Jose will be willing to pay the $9.99 if he finds out that 52,000 people think he is a jerk now.

[@words_txt]

new slur unlocked "Bell-ringer"

[@stoneyhigh05]

What is a better thing to do instead of ringing the bell? I have lots to learn

[@the-real-supermelon]

@@stoneyhigh05 selecting specific villagers that might be in danger to minimize the damage to your economy. when you ring the bell, ALL of your villagers are gonna stop working, and a lot of the time you don't want that. You can use left Alt + hold LMB to only select villagers in case there's stuff in the way.

[@ch-arts-us]

@@stoneyhigh05 drag and select only the villagers that are in harms way, press T on the keyboard or use garrison button in the unit menu. Then click on the TC. Then only the villager that you selected will go in. and the vills not in danger keep working. You can click the back to work button on the TC and they go back to where they were after danger gone

[@spacemonkeyentertainment6413]

@@stoneyhigh05 You can manually (un-)garrison units and it gives you much more control over what economy you sacraficing in the moment.

@@stoneyhigh05 Just select the villagers in danger and garrison them. Hotkey should be the letter T. When you ring the bell you lose so much economy that is more harm than good. Let the rest of your villagers, the ones that are not under any harm or fire, hence your eco, to keep on producing for you. In that way you can create counter units to fight the ones attacking you. Halbs agains cavalry, squirmishers against arrow units, even mounted ones and finally arrows against infantry. Once you stop ringing the bell you immediatelly grow your elo. Give it a try next time. You'll do great.

[@orionl7406]

25:58 well there you go, serjeants gain line of sight when they become elite. Also chemistry before fletching lol

[@old_account189]

Suddenly gaining consciousness at the age of 4

[@Swiftgringo]

Amazing! Blue builds farms at 16 mins. Red tees up the greatest raid in history then attacks the lumber camp. Wandering bands of segeants. Red pulls blues army left and then hooks right with 14 naked trebs! Literally weeping 😂

[@abalyon7043]

I love low elo legends!!!!!!!!!

[@AshuBachhav1]

the engineer is a spy

[@GnarlieCharlie]

2:08 "I know its gruesome and it's sad but watch it, 10/10."

[@Ericbomb]

For being a one trick pony, I would pick a one trick to force me to be better. I HATED using archers back in the day. Hated it, seemed like they were awful. Didn't understand the point or how they were supposed to work. So I went Vikings MAA - archer with the goal of getting a new high elo. So at first I dropped 200 points, then started climbing back up as I understood it. I realized that they were all about timing and mass. Played a couple hundred games with them. Did the same thing with learning how to use mangonels. I went celts scout rush, then into fast castle and built a siege shop and did a siege push. Elo dropped at first, then went back up past as I got used to using mangos as a lel. Could hundred games. So afterwards I felt very confident at needing to mix in siege while going archers. Then afterwards I realized I was a 1400, who hadn't used scouts since 1100, so sucked at it. So I started going Lith for scouts/knights, but I was happy to mix in archers or siege as needed to counter my enemy as I was used to it. Couple hundred games. only got to 1500, but it seemed to work to pick some part of my game I was bad at, then picking a one trick that relied on that part of my game, cause I would get better.

[@stretchedmetaphor3238]

That's a cool way of learning the game. Sounds like it's the AoE2 equivalent of doing exercises that isolate your muscles

[@Ericbomb]

​@@stretchedmetaphor3238 more or less! I kind of got tired of doing it after awhile and now play casually, but other plans involved doing smush's on arena so I'd actually bother to hot key my monks. Also had some other ones I did, but those were the main 3 (added one). Usually with a goal of trying to get better at something. Was also really fun seeing elo go, then come back. It'd always come back if I stuck with it, but sometimes was very frustrating.

[@Mattroid99]

I don't think is the same as one tricking though. You are learning parts of the game universally applicable to all civs, but with a civ that makes you focus on it. You can transfer your knowledge of playing scouts and relic control with Lithuanians or archer + siege to alll civs. But suff like Cuman 2TC boom, Boheiman FC wagons and FC steppe lancer are not universally applicable in the slightest, which is what I would consider "one-tricking"

[@Kevin-zt7lb]

So grateful us smelly youtubers are getting so much love!

[@ishanmanitripathi5513]

Finally understood the meaning of "why do I smell KZbin"

[@hafor2846]

I'm old enough to remember when Portugal was the new pay to win civ lol

[@Frederick1917O]

GG to Theolino. I dont have much tolerance for bad losers or winners at my own ELO. Entertaining game either way. Great video.

[@jamalcalypse]

Wow! Incredible game! The best of LEL for sure! (I haven't watched yet)

[@szuszy]

I like that the algorithm has brought you back up to my feed :)

[@ryanforgo3500]

@t90official i mean picking a civ is literally at the core of this game. For me personally i pick my civz because i literally get this deep urge to play with a specific unit. I play like 10-20 civz hut i still can't resist the urge to pick a civ that o miss or want to play.

[@pokefuranku]

41:30 yeah, that is pretty intimidating XDD Ohh what a game man, what a game xDD

[@OldManRogers]

Nothing wrong with commenting on coinage/banking - it explains to people who don't know, is something to talk about and also doesn't take a long time to explain, plus it shows consistency in your commentary

[@sidwoodstock]

I love your low elo legends T90. Never stop

[@michaelstrohmaier402]

26:00 Theo and the six Serjeants

[@MeanderingMikesManCave]

I would never think of purchasing an AOE2 DLC as being "pay to win". If you could spend real money to start with bonus resources or tech that your opponent doesn't have .... *that* is "pay to win".

[@NottoriousGG]

I made it back guys, Twitch chat thinks I'm one of them... Now to collect intel.

[@dabluflcn]

I love how it’s the cart that bleeds.

[@afi886]

bell is for panic moments, rather save all than make more food haha

[@oneoranota]

Tbf when driving an automatic car, clicking the seatbelt is probably the hardest part, and I am pretty sure that a good chunk of drivers can't figure even that.

[@colinc5283]

Go Jets Go!

[@f.jideament]

T90, thank you for all these content, it's really entertaining even for a person who is not playing AoE like me. I'm watching all of your videos without subbing to your channel.

[@MarcoBriatti]

It's all fun and games until the enemy sneak some 14 trebuchet on your base and destroy everything 😂😂😂😂

[@dudeistpreist5721]

I used to play the Persians because I wanted a strong unique civ unit, they were too slow and died to palidans and halbiders too easily for the cost. So when looking for a different civ I looked at a well rounded economy, fast units, and cost efficiency to get a rough trade with palidans. I picked the celts because the woad raiders trained quickly for suprise attacks in 8 man free for all, didn't cost an arm and a leg, good economy, and the woad readers could slip in through cracks in the walls better than palidans. I like depleting the enemies economy, having options (cav archers for tectonic knights) fast training speed, and good defensive capabilities. Now the celts castles are better with a faster attack speed and a regen aura. I'm a one trick poney because faster units and faster options are fun and other people don't want to try my team combos or commit to a gimmick strategy. It works most of the time so I do it.

[@dopi3220]

You need to play with the t90 sound mod

[@jn1mrgn]

It's crazy how TC arrow fire can barely kill infantry, but it completely asplodes trade carts.

[@TenkaEmpiresFFA]

5:55 I'm not a one trick pony, I'm THE one trick pony, I've been doing the same since HD came out, only play FFA, always play japanese, always same layout, always same strat, for years I've been doing the exact same thing and I'll keep doing it, some of us just stick to what works for us I guess... The reason behind it is I play only FFA (I took a 6 month EW break to share my games in discord but none got picked so came back to FFA), since I only play FFA, it's the thing that gets me the most fun, I know what I'm doing, I know where I'm going, I know how to counter everything (Except mongols) I know how to deal with it all... I don't like any other game mode and it's the strat that works for me, I enjoy it and I've enjoyed it for almost 10 years so yeah... I guess that's my reason to one-trick-pony forever... and ever... and ever... and ever...

[@treepotato9273]

I feel like I've done that treb wall thing myself before, with kataparuto though so it takes like no time to flatten a whole base. About the one trick pony thing, I think I do that with just massing infantry and trebs but I'm trying to learn cav builds now so one day I won't need to. Knights and such. I stuck with infantry mostly because it's easier to micro and it seems like it doesn't need as much eco to back it up as some of the more complex mixed army stuff, like I only need one set of upgrades for one thing.

[@BrownFoxWarrior]

That was such a confusing end. XD

[@chopchopPaks]

In all my life, I have never seen a no defense YOLO 14 treb push.

[@jellevanbreugel325]

crazy game, love LEL!!!

[@solomongrundysfoot]

Pay to win = Sicilians being from a DLC expansion that cost extra

[@Hunoa44]

Timestamp 23 15 ,never knew T90 have autohotkey installed :) Cautious eyes,nyehehe

[@unclvinny]

That game kept me guessing, wow!

[@horst_6221]

In the witcher books there's an auction, a hundrets of years old dwarven-made bell is being sold, the runes on it in old dwarvish say: "what, you ass, is there to jingle for"

[@Modnar3810]

When you kill the whole tc, only to lose the whole neighborhood to 14 unprotected trebs

[@lollylegsgruff]

I think they should have a few different ais active on the ladder (to get current calibration of their relative skill vs the player base) then new players on their first 10 games face ais to get a good estimate on their skill based on the above as placement matches. Star craft 2 did this and found my initial games vs humans fairly balanced

[@alexanderolekenakela2646]

22:00 OMG

[@Mike-vn3lt]

I have turned into a one trick pony with the Romans. My elo is just under 700, and I'm much smoother and more relaxed when the plan is more automatic. And I've also learned players at my Elo have a ton of trouble finding an answer for legionaires and heavy scorpions protected by halbs and mangos. It's just too much micro at this elo to not let the scorpions constantly pull troops into the death ball. I'm sure by the time I get to 800 I'm going to have to adjust, but I am enjoying playing and trying to execute "the plan" much more than I was picking a civ and winging it. Edit: And I've never rung the bell....my introduction to the bell was T90 saying "OHH NOO THE BELL!!" 😂😂

[@thesocraticatheist9611]

I know you said "no judgement" about town bell ringers, but honestly felt like you were judging a smidge.

[@xSpiegelschattenx]

8k food 0 light cav, missing upgrades, wins anyway.

[@walkerhumphrey181]

I don't even play AoE2, but I'm the ultimate 1 trick in Mordhau. I'm possibly the #1 archer. I've min maxed the hell out it. I have a few archer builds (almost entirely speed focused) that make up 95% of my over 1k hours. My character is largely based on intricate mind games (back dash spam and shooting causing the targeted player to quit the game). I haven't even played the large battle maps or field which comprise over 90% of the game. I only play FFA, TDM, and Skirmish. I continually change my name, but everyone instantly knows me by my build and strategy which no one else uses.

[@-........]

press end for minimap

[@nisenazo]

Let this be a reminder to LELs to stay humble. You never know, you're probably still winning.

[@XZellTheBest]

Red did all the upgrades but the ones needed. I don't get how can you open the blacksmith, and decide to go for infantry upgrades when you have a lot of cavarly archers!!! So frustrating!

[@TomDallison-lh5xf]

Great game 😂

[@shinershawn6053]

This content came back on my radar. The guy that runs this could have make millions, I even commented on it 5-6 years ago. But for whatever reason it didn't go tat way. Aoe2 could have been as big a pubg events, Evo (fighting game events), modern warfare, etc.. But he failed to do so And maybe he doesn't care.. And that makes it even better

[@shinershawn6053]

I would cross this against the star craft players as an real time game event, encompassing them all

[@jetkirby3981]

As a new player I believe the one-trick pony mindset comes from the facilities within the game itself funneling you into a playstyle, campaign, or something like Art of War teaches you one thing to win and no reason to deviate from it If I didn't have a friend playing with me I wouldn't know anything

[@coardaoc1226]

i dont think players who use the town bell have some many thoughts behind it as a lot of comments assume. its simple: they see a town bell icon , understand what it does and think: they dont make this button not to use it when u under attack! same for this coin thing: its there, so it must have a purpose, lets research it!

[@packrat9433]

Bell ringing is about panic 100%

[@tylermccall2505]

My one trick pony. Go Persians, fast castle, make tc, make elephant, maybe grab trashbow. That’s it you win. Edit: throw stable in if you think they’ll get to siege for Persian unique knight.

[@tobymuerto]

I was trying to sleep but this one was too silly to not pay attention to.

[@CJ-111]

I wouldn't call myself a one trick pony, but when i know what I'm doing at low elo, things stay smoother. I lack the skill to adapt well

[@vocs75]

One of the best examples of they attack you, go attack them. Just rolled his swarm of unprotected trebs over and won the game. btw, town bell is not as bad of a thing for low elo when you think about it. Gathering a bunch and garrisoning is super easy forget on the heels of an attack. I used to do it all the time until I got the big red flashy light idle mod. Also if you have some ranged unit dancing around your village like CA they are probably going to cause way more damage than just idling, again for low elo.

[@justalonesoul5825]

To answer your question, absolutely no offense meant but the T90 voice mod is simply utterly atrocious lol! Who in their right mind would use that for more than a few minutes? Wayyyy over the top. Amusing concept though, the author most certainly had some fun. And to answer another question, part of me (us?) listening to you is because you have a nice sense of humour, never too much over the top or forced, just silly or simply good jokes that make me smile or burst into laughter! Cheers!

[@greenlamp9219]

thelegend of 14 treb rush

[@MeTheOneth]

Well, he didn't trickle those trebs.

[@Xeonerable]

WTF was that ending?! Jose stumbled SOO MANY TIMES and still won wtf??? I thought Theo had that game in the bag.

[@cjw3146]

Watching Low Elo legends spikes my blood pressure but I can't not watch.

[@God_Usopp]

Bleep pay to win.

[@williaml7046]

game was crazy

[@berkokten4444]

my man didnt trickle treb

[@MegaGouch]

My favorite part was when Red had idled Blues entire eco and just ran away with with the cav archers. Like, what else are you going to do with those units???

[@maniatikoleal]

Im a one trick pony because I dont have time anymore, I got good at one strat, dont have time to master another strat (actually I have 2-3) but since I have just one or two games per month, I dont have time to learn new tricks and master new ideas. I can do other strats but if Im in a want to win mood, I just go with my basic strats that work most of the times.

[@michaelstrohmaier402]

13:20 Not Tower Defense, it's Dungeon Defense.

[@iamsick5204]

I wasnt a one trick pony but i became one when i started playing mass mamaluke on arena.

[@LoneWanderer727]

Blue threw at the end

[@ithadtobeaname7327]

"pay 2 win game" Sitting on multiple of thousand of resources, building cav archer and helbard as portuguese (without sufficent upgrades) Ye buddy idk...guess you truly lost to no fault of your own.

[@solorollo9756]

One trick pony here- 60% of the time, my strategy works every time. And something about thousands of kicks… it’s not even civ dependent. I’m going to do that one thing.

[@210ATO]

Eagle warriors? Pay to win duuddde (it's the year 2000).

[@unimportantcommenter4356]

Heh, you can end the match in 2 minutes with your superior range teuton TCs.

[@drz0b]

23:16 oops- AutoHotkey... I'm sure T90 uses it for something else like casting but it's a bit of a no-no in ranked AOE2

[@Wraize1]

why ring the bell when you can just resign at the first sight of aggression?

[@indianajons5847]

Being th Portuguese one of the strongest civs in post-imp... funny red said that...

[@ironie5319]

pay to win... at least not tryhard 😂

[@benedictjajo]

It's Jo-se since he's Portugese.

[@B0rghalRantipole]

Just out of curiosity, since I keep hearing this repeated - if bell ringing is such a bad thing to do, why would they put it as a feature into the game in the first place?

[@lloydlejack-official]

1:46 sad

[@cleanerben9636]

petition to block techs like coinage that do nothing in a 1v1 from the tech tree if you aren't in a team game

[@Lucasolvalou]

What a great game. Twitch chat was funny stuff. "There goes the neighborhood." and "Omega-housed" xD And yea, if anything is "pay to win" it's trebuchets lol.

[@MDog_FPV]

You have to pay for the DLC civ is all he meant I think

[@louishack5343]

I need 3 more games to get my rank. I have lost 7 games in a row. Low Elo for life. 🎉

[@hamsterfloat]

I suppose that dropping outposts to see what goes on with trade opportunities could be hepful.

[@wandraak58]

About the elo mentioned... Is it just me, or is there great variance between 1k people who only play in the evenings and only in the mornings...? Those players can never meet the other group and it seems to me the skill level is different despite the number being the same.

[@jankelar6714]

If red found the blacksmith he would be 200 elo higher 11

[@niklask7635]

Does "unlockable" mean able to be unlocked or unable to be locked?

[@Haasthefox]

Don’t know if t90 will see this but I one trick because I feel the most satisfaction using my strategy

[@OMAR_AOE2]

I want to watch the stream Whare do U stream at bro🙃💔

[@rockgamiasedes677]

DLC stuff is annoying .I kinda get where red is coming from.

[@sincerely_marcela]

I panic and ring bell sorry mr. t90 official

[@Dm3qXY]

the useless research items are there for the sake of score / economy / research count victory

[@nikor.5907]

Team ranked is dumb, climbing is litterally impossible. I make mistakes and try to learn from them, fair I know I aint 1800. But about 1/5 of my games my teammates resign 1 min into the game like wtf and it costs me elo -.-

[@stayupjs]

The civs still broken at lower elo it needs to be changed

[@FacialVomitTurtleFights]

ELO IS NOT AOE2 SPECIFIC! BRUH... Been watching for years and This is news to me.