Payday 2: How Does Threat Work?

[@kevintan3705]

“Threat has no impact on domination” My entire life has been a lie. All of it was false. I’ll never recover from this.

[@TheKknowley]

It wasn't too long ago that I was in the same situation. Lost. Confused. This video was my coping mechanisms for years of naivety...

[@yogcast133]

Me to brother

[@버튜버봄-s9e]

That's suprising. I thought it was so obvious

[@flyingturret208thecannon5]

TheKknowley but muh joker build ;-; surely there’s a way I can intimidate them more easily with a build in just the right stats?

[@mysfer1088]

TheKknowley hey just asking but i use a ksp 58 lmg build and when I fire my weapon at the enemy I don’t normally see them jumping from cover even though I have very high threat and also they all seem to Attack me first then my teammates does armour builds actually targeted more these dodge

[@Fuer64]

"Threat has no application to domination." 1. My life was a lie. 2. Why does a cop care equally as much about a minigun being pointed at him as he cares about a small pistol?

[@mauer1]

Both will kill him.

[@Fuer64]

@@mauer1 have you seen the armour the swat teams wear?

[@filmandfirearms]

@@mauer1 With the heavy ballistic vests the heavy SWAT use, a simple 9mm handgun is absolutely useless. A minigun, however, even in a lower caliber, like 5.56, has such a blistering rate of fire that it can kill you no matter what you're wearing

[@ohiorizzler1776]

@@Fuer64 hed boolet

[@Ardorstorm]

@@ohiorizzler1776 Dozers

[@Dacex990]

6 years of playing and finally i know what threat actually does

[@tmcensor]

I beta tested both Payday 2 and Payday: The Heist, and I still don't quite get it.

[@SASSY-tw6mv]

@@tmcensor it is like if you have a heavy or high damage gun and enemies see it they might duck in cover retreat or surrender easie

[@Zal-TheBug]

And it’s totally, totally.. pretty kinda useless

[@edusz_]

I was wondering why bulldozers were running away from me😂

[@Smokecall]

@@edusz_ if only

[@Raviness.]

Didnt know that enemies trying to Dodge is actually a good thing, because enemies love to shoot you even if their gun is 90 degree to left or right yet they still hit you.

[@carterb.]

When they are grappling down a wall while shooting at you

[@kirotheavenger60]

This a desync issue. I never had problems like this when I hosted, but when my friend started hosting it happens all the time.

[@golden_lemonade]

neat, I never knew snipers were actually affected, I just assumed all specials were immune

[@k96man]

And I just assumed I was wasting ammo

[@gabrielsantosbastos5257]

Once i saw a bulldozer going back to their spawn

[@ther6sshieldmain937]

Medics should also be suppressed, maybe at a base 25% resistance to it. (Note: not medic dozers.)

[@yeetacus_the_maximus6978]

specials can be panicked so they should be suppressed as well

[@migueeeelet]

this explains why they sometimes become completely incompetent and other times they're murderous machineguns.. and I don't mean when they shoot you while moving, the bastards.. Also why is Google complaining about me insulting some videogame enemies

[@cloudoaldo2461]

"Steve, why are you crouching?" "Yo, Jack. You know that sound of a silenced gun shooting? I just heard that." "Yeah but, no alarms, so no worries." "Hmm, I guess you're right." ... "You gonna stay crouched?" "Yeah i'm good." *Meanwhile* GUYS, FIND/DO THE OBJECTIVE.

[@gabrielandy9272]

this is so immersion breaking omg

[@1969Odon]

Guys, the thermal drill go get it

[@unintentionally_edgy5867]

"you hear that shrapnel tearing up the drywall?" "we didnt see it so no"

[@1pyroace1]

Lmao

[@fgp0032]

"ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE TIARA??!! FIND THE TIARA!!"

[@ventibaiter1746]

WHAT WHY DOES THIS APPLY TO STEALTH I mean ill take it but STILL WHy

[@spiderjerusalem8284]

Guards think the place is haunted or something lik that XD

[@dumb214]

Guards cant fire at what they cant see

[@hellpunisher]

Does this alert them?

[@MrLastlived]

@@hellpunisher As seen in the video, no 6:08

[@Raviness.]

Ovk didnt think about threat usage in stealth to be somehow impossible, because you can ready 1 hit enemies in stealth.

[@MahDryBread]

Huh, Threat is more useful than I thought!

[@norwayduck9857]

You again!

[@kotzpenner]

I hope this is applicable to Pokemon

[@realracoon]

Yea just use threat to steal pokemon not using a gun is a rookie mistake though

[@strafniki1080]

Spas 12 with dragon breath

[@tavish1658]

If they ever made a Payday 3, it would be nice if the tutorial levels explained elements of these stats a weapon get. Especially things like concealment and threat, as while concealment seems obvious, a full explanation of everything it does, would be super cool for new players and to returning players who play the game casually every now and then. But specifically tutorials on threat would open up possibilities of skill builds that focuses on this. Where a person in a group could focus on being able to lay suppressive fire, causing police to cover, opening a route for the team. That would result in an entire play style, where your gimmick as a player is to be able to cut off the impact of a police assault, or even be able to make the police temporarily retreat. It's touched on in Payday 2, but it could be expanded on, and become much more impressive.

[@therealbowee]

PD3 is confirmed, the release date is TBD

[@lastnamefirstname8031]

Release date is 2023 hooray

[@lastnamefirstname8031]

Hopefully no delayy

[@METAL2K0]

@@kc-ip2vc guess its most likely next year then

[@hurrikanye9589]

Fun fact they didn’t

[@keinenbockmehr1749]

Wait a second… if you are in Stealth and shoot next to an enemy, he doesn't get alerted?! Wow... that is a new one for me. I never tried this. As I tend do Play solo (with AI) all the time, this info could make my next robberies go a Little bit easier.

[@saraaguilar5212]

(In surprisingly deep voice)"It's called heists not robberies, f**king normie"

[@YourCrazyDolphin]

I knew this pretty early on, like, after applying my first suppressor- pistol's accuracy is meh so the shot just hit the wall next to the cop. Didn't flinch.

[@8stormy5]

Bullet impacts actually can cause alerts, but the range is usually so small that it doesn't matter. A good demo is a silenced shotgun with HE rounds, if you fire without a target (up in the sky) it won't alert anyone, but fire at a wall and everybody on the map hears. Not sure if this was fixed but for some reason clients used to not make bullet impact noises, so you could use HE rounds in stealth with no problems if you weren't hosting

[@DaveCrosshaw]

I've never seen this thing be used in stealth videos

[@xYamakaze]

I also completely thought that a higher threat caused enemies to be dominated or civilians to get on the ground faster! Great video, really cleared up a lot and now I can actually understand and put threat to use in game. Extra thanks for that stealth tip, I saw how guards sometimes knelled down for apparently no reason in stealth missions after I fired my gun in their general direction, usually by Judging open a door, I always assumed it was some sort of random, sometimes helpful, glitch.

[@krzysztofsznura9589]

Often on art gallery in stealth i use supressed judge and shoot the front door to open. The guy in entrence behind the lad start to take cover behind the lad after shot but his still not alerted. Edit: Damn, said to early.

[@TheKknowley]

This is actually how I found out about this application!

[@marschallblucher6197]

@@TheKknowley if you do this to the Camara guard do Camaras still work?

[@namename9627]

Otto von Bismarck I would think so but not 100% sure

[@fastcow7013]

@@marschallblucher6197 yes. Since cameras ofc arent actually controlled by hi.

[@meiji9720]

@@marschallblucher6197 yes, because he is still alive and operating.

[@theflyingtoaster7414]

I keep silencers on lmgs and akimbo weapons because 1: I remember old silencer skills on lmgs, and generaly useful stats 2: the lack of muzzle flash and cops jumping around out of fear helps me keep consistent headshots for high fire rate weapons. 3: I have a crippling obsession with the silenced gun sounds and cram silencers on every new gun to see if anything will sound better than the surpressed street sweeper. Thank you for reading my comment, hope it was useful :)

[@jmanzx5508]

@Kapeć. If you plan your silencers correctly, it definitely shouldn't affect kill breakpoints. Not only that, the stability stat is paramount to any LMG (reaching sufficiently high stability can enable skipping the entire surefire/ body experience tree). Just for a cheap price of 3 points, the bigger better suppressor can grant +12 stability. A 76 stability LMG and 80 LMG (88 is the maximum for KSP) has very distinct differences and handling feels.

[@luisprado7107]

Yeah I keep a bigger and better on my KSP, no affect on damage maybe -2 out of over 200 points of damage. And I drop a couple points into silencer skills and it becomes a literal death laser, 1 shot killing every enemy except bulldozers. And I tried running without the suppressor skills, and the muzzle flash, recoil, and lack of accuracy was not very cash money. And the trade off of having a couple extra skill points I couldn't find any use for that was nearly as useful as suppressor skills.

[@meiji9720]

Honestly stuck to Suppressors because I felt the Compressors are increasing more recoil than decreasing it.

[@The-S-H3lf-Eater]

Silenced magnum revolver

[@The-S-H3lf-Eater]

I use silencer on lmg because 8 stability 12 accuracy

[@TheBerzekerC]

A low threat sniper was actually useful for me in No Mercy 1D. Since otherwise enemies kept distancing from each other and not going into the line of fire

[@cramz101]

High threat is also useful for dodge. The loss of enemy accuracy synergizes really well with decks like rogue, hacker etc. It also gives me a good reason to use the fire breather nozzle on my assault rifles.

[@quinnroberts3309]

One thing I noticed when doing some testing, cloakers won't jump you if you have minimum threat (or are at least much less likely to), but will do so as much as possible if you have high threat. Not sure if it was just a fluke but I tried multiple times.

[@SlimbTheSlime]

Probably to balance out the threat mechanic.

[@wizzem7890]

I mean they do have to completely arrest someone to kick someone else, so they gotta make it count. Can't waste it on something that doesn't seem like too much of a threat.

[@HESHRocketWarhead]

I figured out threat quite some time ago, and knew about the application in stealth, but never bothered to go into depth to test it. This could trivalize some levels. Shadow Raid. Clap 4 Murkies, and immobilize the 5th. Framing Frame Day 3. Immobilize the remaining guards in a position that doesn't get in your way. The Alesso Heist. Immobilize the basement guards in spots that don't get in your way, such as by the TV or in that one hallway by the stairs. If one knows how to do it, then it can be done...

[@FGC292]

6:17 Such stealth. Much wow.

[@johnnyg4mer764]

If you were to do that IRL, he would be screaming in utter fear, as well as reaching for his pager at the speed of light.

[@SlimbTheSlime]

New stealth meta: Confuse the guards into submission

[@jabbajane1124]

Many hours spent into this and only now I am informed about what Threat does, and that it's ALSO applicable to stealth with dozens of benefits

[@NewSupa]

Wow. This answers my long waited question of why some guards were crouched during my previous stealth attempts.

[@Ichorizor]

For that front guard in Framing Frame/Art Gallery, you can go right past his FoV by using the Sprint -> Jump -> Crouch in midair trick. You'll maintain the momentum of your sprinting speed but gain the detection of crouching at the same time. Makes stealth a lot more manageable, if nerve-wracking. Great video!

[@awkwardGardener]

Very informative. I've played a lot of Payday 2 and never quite knew how Threat worked. This is very useful information.

[@blank8969]

glad there's still pd2 content coming out, even if console hasn't had an update in a while

[@godqueenbidoof]

Interesting. I had assumed it worked like Threat in a lot of games particularly MMO where the most "Threatening" player gets focussed due to the danger they represent. Which is why in many MMOs healers will generate a TON of threat despite having such terrible damage due to their keeping the team alive. Neat to know It works this way. My usual build (which is silly I know but I love it all the same) Is full tank with the microgun and either of the two rocket launchers (usually the one with 4 in the 'mag') and while my microgun is very stable it isn't accurate so by the time I hit snipers they've already leapt for cover which annoys me so I end up shooting them with rockets. It's kind of funny.

[@TotalConScience]

I used to main stealth to the point that I could solo just about any mission with little to no errors for long chains of missions. I had no idea this was a thing. Do note that patrolling guards get alerted from damaged objects, so be careful where you shoot when serpressing

[@hoenntrainer3422]

This seems really interesting and if Overkill eventually gets to making Payday 3, I would like to see this expanded upon, such as Cops being completely forced to hide behind cover, which, yes they will dive into cover in 2, but they'll usually just walk back out and continue firing at you like nothing happened. Seeing full on Supression in PD3 could be a great tactic.

[@Lunter_]

Nice video! I was actually wondering how it worked today and was about to research it, thanks for making this!

[@jazzajarom]

I always wondered why I tended to make guards in stealth take cover, thanks for the info!

[@wxl2562]

Have a high threat weapon, plus stagger perks and the sociopath build that spreads the panic effect and essentially, you just have cops and people not shooting and freaking out 50% of the time at about every 2 kills on overkill and lower difficulties.

[@jurekis9177]

That tip with stealth caught me off-guard. It's useful as hell! Thanks a lot!

[@uruburus5203]

As if armor lmg build didn't make you feel like a beast

[@eatingpancakesrightnow2786]

Now I know why the silenced saw didn't seem to be any less effective at intimidating civilians

[@somerandomassguyontheinter2869]

even though trying to provide suppression with a sniper is nigh useless, i have noticed that an unsuppressed thanatos often sends large groups of enemies diving for cover whenever it’s fired. could be useful if you coordinate with a team that knows what they’re doing.

[@TheKknowley]

Snipers do have an innate Threat multiplier to make up for their fire rate, so they should apply it fairly easily. Like you say though, it's hard to capitalize on it with the sniper itself.

[@hellothere5679]

I find it funny how you could have an assault shotgun with max threat, then just cos u put on a silencer it’s about as threatening as a wet napkin

[@cheese919]

Me: in a restricted area. Guard: sees me “it’s nothing” Me: puts on armor guard: sees me again “he now has armor this is an avengers level threat.”

[@goldenpig6453]

...yeah? I'd be pretty damn alarmed if that person suddenly put on a kevlar vest.

[@The-S-H3lf-Eater]

Puts on a beanie "Yup, that's a criminal."

[@omardiaz9066]

Damn bro Its the homie Knowlie Good video dawg

[@aradvila2000]

I feel like enemies ducking or jumping away makes it harder - stationary targets for easy headshots seems preferrible to me

[@bird_with_knives]

The Art gallery trick is funny af. But really thanks for the info, have been playing this game for years and up to this point I either completely ignored threat stat or thought of it as a bad thing since in my understanding all it did - was making some occasional enemies just sit down, making me miss their heads sometimes. Maybe with this information I'll be able to rush 50 cops outside some doors a bit safer.

[@OldNorthFoxx222]

High suppression: Enemies intimidated, will dodge, and will find cover. Medium: Enemies sometimes dodge, will shoot while not in cover. Low: Enemies don't dodge right away, will shoot as soon as they LOS player(s). Don't forget to Like, subscribe to him, and keep Wolf off the dance floor.

[@jethrojehezkiel6426]

400 hours in game, and only now I know that threat works in stealth 😂

[@melin9799]

While this mechanic isn't a prevalent one for loud, I didn't realize it's usefulness in stealth. That's a game changer.

[@Keokithederp]

YO! I never knew that you could get the guards to crouch like that!

[@MacrosandX]

This is amazing you open me up to trying some new builds.

[@ducksi1]

I always use threat in stealth as a joke, I thought it made the detection lower but was never sure, thanks!

[@supersonicbros23]

Hey Kknowely can you do a vid about the civilian mechanics? Practical and trivia. Theres still so much I don't understand (other than they love to stand straight up in a gunfight).

[@urbainludovic7797]

Thanks, fellow heister. Didn't understand how threat works until now... 800h playing, still didn't get a clue without you :o

[@kinsan89]

I love how you've started doing more videos like this as soon as I've finally picked the game up for myself, lmao

[@cyrusmiller5271]

it took 7 years to find out how it works guys

[@ANAYELIPALACIOS]

I love that after I saw this vid I got a loading screen tip saying that threat makes enemies look for cover and duck and dodge

[@Vandarte_translator]

Ah, this is difficult to understand. I need a medic bag!

[@kzr_1613]

Holy shit THANK you so much now I know why the front guard of the gallery duck I thought it's bug lol

[@sparkbag_]

that guy using silent weapons might be making harder for you than you might think in DSOD

[@malibogic997]

So wait, if I manage to "suppress" a guard in a stealth mission, they will be locked in place and won't alert cams and other guards?

[@kobalos7450]

only the ever stationary ones, and yes they won't trigger cams or make other guards uncool, you can use this trick however to delay a guard's patrol by making him crouch and stop, quite useful in crossing border "day 2" in that fucking warehouse with 3 cages you can drill

[@lecommentar9851]

There should be a Bulldozer or Medic variant that makes nearby allies immune to panicking and threat effects and be immune themself

[@justmarc2015]

I actually hate when enemies duck or dive for cover because I'm always going for headshots. I'll line up a perfect headshot and a cop will just start teabagging.

[@dradonie]

shotgun

[@snailboi179]

Useful Tip: Dallas *Needs* the medic bag

[@Lucios1995]

4:23 Finally, a way to counter snipers that isn't marking them with my scope, go to cover and shoot through it to get him. No way that was the intended steps

[@ManWithAMask_]

Ok, so in loud, it’s completely useless because you’re trying to hit the enemy, not scare them by wasting ammo near them. But in stealth, I can see it being quite useful. The ability to force an enemy to cower in a single spot crouched can make some heists just flat out easy, but if you’re trying to do this, maybe have someone bring an ammo bag.

[@somerandomgamer8504]

High threat on stuff like revolvers seems bad cause making enemies duck and try to roll away makes them harder to hit with limited ammo, but maybe I'm just shit

[@marsmonke4160]

Maybe it's both

[@AreGeeBee]

Maybe it's Maybelline

[@thelocalcrusader9522]

One interesting thing ive noticed is the guard crouching mechanic applies to civies

[@SafetyKitten]

Nice video! Personally didnt think about it ever since I saw a couple cops dive out of the way of my Thanatos build, but this is interesting! Thanks for the video :)

[@polishdogge]

So i've been using the stealth "shoot near a guard" strat but never knew what coused it.... Nów i know that threat works in stealth

[@ilik3pi32]

Great video but you missed one thing. The Muscle perk deck makes it so suppressive fire can panic enemies. Is this effected by Threat or have its own rules?

[@weedyeeter940]

you had me at “whats up ladies and gents” im gonna watch the whole video

[@mfbloc9549]

I always assumed it was a bad thing because all I thought that threat did was cause the enemy to dodge

[@jakeofamazing0371]

Dang, i always thought threat made civilians get down quicker, so i’d switch to my primary (which had more threat) when things went loud

[@braindeadgaming808]

I like how my grimms 12ga have a 43 threat but no damage

[@presofcamelot]

LMG's: **Taps side of head** "No need to kill the enemy if theyre too shit scared to poke their heads out and have it taken off their shoulders"

[@ReSpark141]

ah my favorite threat generator, a ksp with 0 concealment, and 43 threat

[@Sevithr]

Threat has stealth applications? Huh. That's going to be a very handy thing to know.

[@the_mt703]

Thanks for the explanation, as I haven't ever understood it!

[@TheProphetOfThePan]

What i get for this, Big gun with low accuracy, combines well with high threat. Sharpshooting weapons do not.

[@smallgyro4932]

big gun scary they get scared they bend their knees if not shoot them or melee them once (or more on harder difficulty) to convince them better. but small gun not scary so it is much harder to threat so do the same as before (smack, stab, shoot, punch, bash or what ever u use to threat them as long as it doesn't 1 shot them) also special enemys cant be threatened (shortened version which i realise is prob almost just as long)

[@rapsasin2748]

interesting, using threat at stealth is unheard. nonetheless, finding other route is much better tho.

[@FootsureWig]

I remember I used to watch a lot back in the early payday days, hello again kknowly.

[@ritvikgiridharan2845]

Wouldnt you say it kinda plays an effect on domination in that when they are trying to do stuff like roll away they're much easier to dominate

[@Star-ny3fm]

You forgot to get the thermal drill,go get it

[@imtoddhowardandimadeskyrim6553]

Damn. Should've known this earlier. Thanks man, this is something I'll use in future builds.

[@JoJo_fan-wc2ku]

Tod Howard you play Payday 2? How do you feel about it having less bugs than skyrim?

[@SpoopyChicken]

I've had 500 hours in the game and have beaten every heist in deathwish but I JUST figured out how this worked.

[@Dev_N]

I only heard dallas scream for a medic bag one time, it was hilarious

[@wonder_9315]

Can’t wait till they add Michael Scarn as a playable character so I can run a threat level midnight build

[@veenongaming7383]

Dude i figured it out by myself before i watched this But now i know more about it TY

[@hallowed3576]

Damn! I have 600 hours in this game over the course of 5 years... Can't say I knew this! Thanks so much!

[@GoodOlTazzy]

600 in 5 years? Those are rookie numbers! I'm almost at 700 and picked up the game on a fresh save last year.

[@bittersilent2860]

here I came thinking I would come out with a loud tip but got a stealth one too

[@torisultan21]

What a useful video, if only it came out 5 years earlier tho.

[@Ecnalite]

*That moment when a longbow is more threatening than a minigun*

[@jonfon1623]

1,4k hours of playing and i still think threat as a threat level of you to the enemies

[@shinyrayquaza9]

max threat seems really good to stack with sociopath

[@maximumaction1125]

I've never noticed the enemy moving out the way of gun fire because I use a machine gun and if they are on the floor they are probably dead because I aim for the legs on normals

[@thegaminggman266]

So your telling me that a dude with a lmg has the same chance to dominate a cop as a dude with a pistol thats wild

[@elflordyt6830]

Is this why cloakers dont attack me as much and dozers run away when im using my kitted out Brothers Grimms Akimbo 12G Shotguns?

[@MaskedMenace830]

Dayyyyyum! I learnt soooo much from this! I had this stat all wrong lmao This makes me wanna play again

[@SnowyyCA]

Like the video, happy I came across this, keep it up

[@eversorassassin5432]

0:25 jimmy best character 👌

[@TheKknowley]

I've been playing him so much recently, his pager lines still make me laugh even after I've heard them dozens of times.

[@Graknorke]

I would've never guessed that suppression works in stealth lol.

[@mayfoxx3860]

This can be used in stealth?!?! This helps so much thank you!

[@BofaDeez123]

Your better at teaching than my math teacher

[@AlexTechie]

What's the ideal angle and distance away from the enemy to build suppression?