PAYDAY 2: Police Assaults - Gameplay Mechanics

[@actoperosa6652]

if only the police AI didn't decide that walls are more dangerous than heisters

[@sanicpl1499]

Its a confusing thing to say the least. Their targeting system is not exactly Perfect, altough if all the crew members would be wearing two piece suits it should target everyone equeally. or attack a certian heister the most and kill off one by one. Obviously there are statistics affecting perks and skills. One for the dodge trees (forgot the name of it) which decreases the chance of you being targeted. And the Muscle Perk Deck which makes you more of a priority target. That i do belive makes cops confused about where to shoot. Altough this is pure speculation, didnt ever dive so deep into the game like Richard here (and his friend) did

[@EvanJefferson1]

@Magnus Von Braun well... Yeah thats how it should have been although theres a mod that makes the AI smarter (kind of) they can flank and hide behind shields, if youre interested its called crackdown

[@jpegman6917]

Dozer:"YOU ARE UP AGAINST THE WALL AND I AM THE FUCKING WA-*enters wall*"

[@Kunnoc]

It would be hell Snipers can pierce through walls If snipers randomly shoot walls

[@Despacitoian]

Except cloakers, those guys will straight up clip through a wall to run over to you.

[@justJackieee]

The cop in the thumbnail looks like he's shifting into maximun overdrive, lol

[@bencekovacs719]

YOU CAN'T CATCH ME,KRABS,NOT WHEN I SHIFT INTO MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@mrziggyzaggy113]

Oh, I should of went with turbo...

[@imreddo0]

Bence Kovács lmao

[@magnusvonbraun9870]

The cop saw the Payday gang about to escape so he is rushing to get them.

[@Calum_Bell_]

“Although armed stand offs with the police are quite rare” * laughs in death wish one down *

[@Watcher_Actual]

*Laughs in loud main

[@redacted7408]

Delta Foxtrot tbh I’ve never stealthed

[@a.s.g8334]

@@Watcher_Actual YeS

[@janemaria8912]

@@Watcher_Actual *Laughs in 800 pound gorilla*

[@misscath28]

@@Watcher_Actual *AGGRESSIVE SUSTAINED COUNTERFIRE*

[@genji4995]

THEY LEARNED OUR TACTICS! SEND THE FUCKING ARMY

[@ricardomartinez8430]

Cloaker almir plz add

[@lordtachanka3533]

Genji y'all can't take on 4 guys here watch this

[@connorfox3090]

Genji they only send the army when you pick pocket someone a massive bank hiest isn't enought

[@rldeluxe4091]

Genji Send in the "Rainbow Six"

[@luisvarela7787]

Genji MADA MADA

[@izayo4447]

" Bain they sending hostage rescue unit" 2 Bulldozer 2 taser 1 cloaker 1 medic a ton of shield

[@fastwing3295]

actually the hostage rescue unit are some guys with light armor and ski masks (some of them have caps) and THAT is the rescue unit. They go with the assault or before the assault. I know this a joke but still. just saying.

[@BobotPlayzBobotRebel]

They unfortunately removed that unit, and they're now only spawned in scripted events.

[@fastwing3295]

@@BobotPlayzBobotRebel Was that directed to me? If yes then that sucks. I kinda liked that unit. It was... special.

[@BobotPlayzBobotRebel]

It was mate. Man it was cool seeing them. It kinda destroyed the whole point of a in between wave break though. But eh.. still. At least they're not 100% removed.

[@fastwing3295]

@@BobotPlayzBobotRebel They should make a new Spec ops unit that comes in between waves. Y'know, something like the Cloaker... just without the kick and harge abilities. They could have the same spawn points as the Cloaker and they would rescue hostages and shouldn't make any sound what-so-ever. It's just an idea but it would be cool seeing something like that. What do you think?

[@the5ixthcourier737]

The Virgin Single Red Dot vs The Chad Double Red Dot

[@johnnyg4mer764]

How the hell does a 45° Scope serve such a purpose bruh

[@theoracle1945]

1. Better peripheral vision due to zoom differences 2. simply having a 45 red dot increases stability by 4 iirc 3. It seems to me that the two scopes have different levels of sensitivity, so you could have better target acquisition with the smaller sight. Just my experience.

[@DeimosTheGoon]

The thad red dot inside of a red dot

[@05-4-k6c]

Used to add double red dot on my guns

[@beep6205]

Average sniper red dot fan vs average heister red dot enjoyer

[@tudythegangster]

Pretty advanced stuff. Too bad the AI itself is so bad.

[@tudythegangster]

What does that have to do with what I just said?

[@shocknight135]

Makes enemies more responsive by allowing more than 1 action per frame.

[@Phase02Innis]

An issue with the AI is that their actions are tied to FPS of the host. So if a person with 30 FPS is hosting, the cops will be less responsive than if a person 100 FPS was hosting. This post goes into pretty good detail about it steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/8/135507548127878625/

[@Maxshark999]

that is correct Jordan. Full speed swarm unhinges the bots so its the same as playing at 200+ fps.

[@holycrapjimhox]

The PAYDAY 2 AI is actually pretty good for a game like this. The problem is that it's always bottlenecked by hosts with bad PCs.

[@garfieldfan1127]

Difficulty 300% “shield cloaker”

[@heliveruscalion9124]

Headless titan dozer medic minigun cloaker

[@otterfan65]

the bullcloaker

[@vampirichalo5854]

oh look a bulldozer- wait ITS A CLOAKER THATS A BULLDOZER FUUUUU-

[@markmcgehee3864]

@@vampirichalo5854 cloaker with bulldozer health that can medic ITSELF while duel wielding a shield and another shield, and another shield To the point only explosives hurt him

[@misscath28]

@@markmcgehee3864 fuck it. You have to deal 2000 damage in atleast 10 seconds or he max heals and gains +5 dodge. Yes. *dodge cloakers*

[@onurcelik8560]

I didn't understand half of it but ty

[@therealglop8424]

I didnt understand any of it

[@genkureshima9834]

This whole guide made no sense at all. When he said that killing hostages didn't affect the assault, I gave up. Killing hostages with decrease the amount of time between each assault and increase the duration of each assault. And also it will increase by a little bit (which can be lethal in high difficulties) the number of units that spawn *except* special units, they will keep spawning at their normal rate with their limit of units per spawn. In a RL situation it would be like: the criminals are killing hostages, the presence of law enforcers is urgent.

[@flawlesstheory5111]

@@genkureshima9834 mind you, this video is three years old, something might have changed

[@danilablond]

Gen Kureshima long guide says you’re wrong

[@hwillda7324]

Are we all going to ignore how the enemy duped himself almost about tenfold at 5:42?

[@cpi3267]

Yes

[@kingspider6273]

Hwill Da h

[@endme6105]

I think he used shadow jetsu

[@derusher2979]

Witchcraft

[@someweeb3650]

Shadow clone jutsu

[@RichardDangles]

CORRECTION: At 4:16, chart should say 40 seconds instead of 0 seconds for mayhem and above. Also: at 6:30 Effect should be changed to Affect

[@RIPStudioOfficial]

Can you do the put in the captain in the how to kill sereis pls

[@DerpinMegaJurk]

Winters has two general ways he can be easily defeated, with or without explosives, where not using explosives will usually require a bit of teamwork. If you have any explosive weapon whatsoever, (including HE rounds), toss them his way. He's apparently allergic to them and will retreat easily if the rounds aren't shot out of the air. Without explosives, you can use AP shotgun rounds or sniper rifles and aim for the head, simply ignoring his shield. If you don't have any anti-Winters gear in your loadout, try getting him distracted by another player/AI or Jokers first, and then peeking out to hit him from behind. It's also worth noting that tripmines can also deal with Winters, especially if you have Fire Trap and Combat Engineering aced, but you will need to facetank him for long enough to actually set the things down close enough to hit him. I'm not sure much more can be said for a how-to-kill video besides his HP values on each difficulty, the aspects of Winters assault waves, and how he will not spawn if there is only one player in the game.

[@flamingmunky]

If you have a general idea of where Winter usually spawns, you can lay the tripmine ahead of time, or right when you get the alert that he is about to arrive. You can rush and plant the tripmines to deal with him quickly since he almost if not always spawns in the same location every time.

[@spookywaffles596]

What gun were you using that looks like an m16?

[@yoboikamil525]

Hostage rescue team irl : Highly trained spec ops HRT in payday 2 : *clang clang*

[@Pan-be3vv]

,,Hostages will not affect police behavior" R6S Fuze mains: *First time?*

[@tangerinepaint3643]

Imagine the R6 operatives being a part of police assaults

[@buddieramos7713]

Then what are they for?

[@tangerinepaint3643]

@@buddieramos7713 Negotiation when you get taken into custody

[@buddieramos7713]

@@tangerinepaint3643 ohh alri thanks lad

[@anonymouslee8542]

Tangerine Paint Well, the 3 Armor Medic Dozer doesn’t remind me of anyone. Especially not his MP5.

[@RiceCracker87]

Wow, I had no idea the police assaults were this advanced! I guess there is a method other than their seemingly mindless meat grind. Thanks!

[@Gordon972]

"occurring in both stealth and loud" .... alright... i guess

[@cooldude2251]

"although armed standoffs with the police are quite rare." Excuse me what?

[@Kjf365]

@@cooldude2251 I think he meant IRL

[@somethinggrim9336]

There's three stages of the assault! Start:Build Mid: Sustain And finally... End: Fade Build means enemies are spawning Sustained means enemies have finished spawning Fade means that enough police were killed during the assault there for the enemies have started to retreat

[@jamesblack479]

Nice video, not any stuff I knew, I guess the long guide wins again.

[@Lemickey-s9e]

JamesBlack47 Pickels

[@MidnightMan04]

Mem

[@HDeDeDe]

I need to study this vid then confuse the crap out of pubies with this info. Great vid

[@luisross3690]

greenybeal Don't even bother, they will just scream at you that all that info is wrong because of what bain says, then they will kick you

[@EliTheBraixen]

yea i didnt know killing just spawn cops is a bad idea

[@mrcomp1971]

*the AO is a shitstorm!*

[@64Hassbot]

*SQUEEZE THOSE TRIGGERS!*

[@herberthgonzalez8947]

*DOUBLE TAP TRIPLE TAP JUST KEEP TAPPING*

[@easyoffbam305]

*SHOOT AND SCOOT!*

[@Mr0Crocodile12]

CENTER MASS!!! CENTER MASS FOR GODS SAKE

[@spacecore5322]

*Its the payday gang!*

[@ryujinnchair]

1:45 pause, LOOK AT HIM. LEGIT MAKES ME NOT WANT TO KILL HIM

[@lobsermahn7262]

Baby nigga

[@yoboikamil525]

"mama?"

[@rib0147]

Just wait until he punches you

[@HESHRocketWarhead]

Civilian deaths also affect sniper spawns in the Bank Heist (And all of its variants). Without killing any, snipers don't show up, from my experience.

[@TycoonTitian01]

The moment when the police assault banner turns orange

[@aqua3234]

In One Down, the Dozers and Cloakers appear as soon as a cop car appears.

[@exek3010]

recommended video (after this one) - Lady tries to assault a 14 year old boy

[@mete9730]

eXeK yep same

[@frostthehos6512]

where

[@NoOneLt]

same, why tho?

[@jonasblum749]

Welp, same here

[@Sigelisvigel]

eXeK same

[@OohsAndAhsBros]

So it's like, Ahoy without the british voice who almost exclusively makes videos only related to payday 2 nice, i dig it.

[@zealsynth8610]

Yep

[@omskc_gb4728]

hey man it's 2019 and I'd like to introduce you to a little thing called Killing Floor

[@nono-nt8je]

bain's lines warning about a tougher police assault for killing hostages seems to be a remnant from the first game where the spawnrate of specialist enemies (and maybe snipers?) is increased for attacking civillians

[@fireheartclan]

4:16 and though the explanation the 4 for 40s was cut off... Sorry for being that guy

[@RichardDangles]

Fire heart Id rather correct an error than live in a delusion of perfection.

[@mrreaper9626]

Heister: *Enters bank* FBI: *music intensifies*

[@Jordan-kk4iu]

Make one of these videos on how the concealment of all weapons effects your final detection rating and the skills that effect it

[@mxer1530]

i love how they call it "Retiring" because after an assault the few surviving officers are definitely never coming to work again

[@Watcher_Actual]

“Although armed standoffs with the police are rare”

[@ymasterz1228]

Hey did you know that Payday 2 from Xbox 360 can spawn 3 Bulldozers in hard and sometimes there can be 5 cloackers at the same map?

[@MrMRGamer1010]

Don't understand video but cool video nonetheless.

[@drumhead7252]

*This is what I call a difficulty tweak*

[@TheTSense]

sooo... you are telling me that if i as heavy trooper stand in front of a sniper in first world bank and just tank hits... cops will stop spawing at one point and overdrill is a walk?

[@staryoshi06]

But then that's boring.

[@galiciaj04jj5]

TheTSense I guess but its more fun to fight your way in

[@TheTSense]

We are not talking about the fun right now. Iam understanding this correctly that this is POSSIBLE? That this can HAPPEN ingame? That this isn't some numbers game aka nice to know, but something can be done? In realspace?

[@reonthornton685]

As long as 7 enemies are dominated and don't snipe the sniper, or get sniped. It would be very hard to do deliberately.

[@galiciaj04jj5]

TheTSense I mean I have never done first world bank cause im on console but i heard its a pain in the ass and it takes fucking eons

[@Dr.Gaming98]

Richard I really gotta thank you for all these videos and guides. They've done more for me than just give me knowledge of the game

[@nobodyfamous7496]

Wait hostages actually do something good I kept keeping hostages as a noob and i was a good boy

[@ryanfuller4401]

Me an a buddy did a no kill loud heist(it was surprisingly easy) and hostage builds fucking rule man

[@MrMoron-qn5rx]

@@green_the_ninja i always keep one. Thanks to stockholm syndrome i can come back as long as one hostage is alive and being a hostage

[@genkureshima9834]

None of you guys played or watched anything about Payday: The Heist from the looks of it... Payday 2 is full of armed idiots...

[@monolith1931]

The OP example: Break Hoxton out Day 2: Go and get the sh*t out "They're throwing everything they got at you!" -BAIN 100% of police incoming, JUST RUN!

[@aqua3234]

That also applies to other heists. Like the last part of BTM, the beginning of Hox Breakout day 1, the last part of Shackletolm Auction, and so on.

[@icyea-v22h2]

overkill did a good job designing the complex AI if the police

[@Mate-vg2ft]

"Police assaults happen when the police have been made known of your presence, police assaults happen in both stealth and loud" Wait a fuckin minute.

[@kentity5272]

0:38 so I will have a cloaker knock me in stealth

[@alphareborn9908]

I watched this and I only thought that the assaults will stay the same, but now after I watched this video and I played death sentence and now I went through 3 assaults and it did seem harder. At first I thought that the assault waves are just equal but except the police count and number gets higher.

[@Naxer2272]

Yes! I always wanted to know the numbers behind the assault. Thanks a lot!

[@nunomp]

Didnt understand shit, im in custody

[@simonnachreiner8380]

Always told my buds that it’s better to hold at objectives and choke the assaults than rush a body count and getting downed. Nice to know that there’s some math behind it.

[@Dysphorid]

I like how the first seconds shown a person named Orwell. Oh, big brother has seen us all. Heisters beware.

[@blazeofglory4053]

The best part of the assault phase is that the beat drops the moment it stops.

[@Supperdude9]

I always thought you could string along an assault by leaving a heavy armor guy for a sniper. Turns out I was right. I never knew about the drama factor.

[@CastledCard]

When Bain starts blasting Razormind that's when you know it's about to go down

[@staryoshi06]

Don't forget that certain jobs (mostly vlad jobs) have diffs below 50%, and some will also have 65 or 85 instead of 75.

[@trashyalice1756]

Your reloads are faster than jealous housewives to conclusions Thats really fucking fast

[@MintyMiku]

Jumping Buddy everything is fast when you play with 3 bots

[@MintyMiku]

Also, everything gets slower when there is player joined

[@stevenhollinger3183]

this video has actually changed my strategy and build for lots of different heists

[@Yorpie]

Good video, there really is a lot more going on then one would expect. I do find that after the one down update, the police assault got dumbed down though. Before the update you could actually notice the assault waves getting harder. Now each wave is exactly the same and last way to long with the intervals being way to low.

[@opfragile]

I haven't played Payday 2 in years but watching this feels like watching something like How It's Made

[@bobby6513]

richard: even tough armed standouts with the police are quite rar- me who plays loud on every heist except shadow raid: pretty sure it isnt

[@genkureshima9834]

Stealth is for n00bz. Thank u. And I think he meant in real life. Unless the law enforcers are facing ex-military grade heisters or heisters which heavily armed and protected (by balistic vests and such), gunfights are rarely a thing. Specially because some countries have the deadliest special forces.

[@ficcy3706]

"Don't die" - Bain

[@ImHikaruCat]

If I remember correctly, you can also be traded in recon phase, at the beginning of the heist if you have hostage.

[@TheEdwardvansloan]

I'm delighted to find all new information. No regurgitated old information that I already knew.

[@PentaromaLMA0]

Hey at least I get to hear Razormind!

[@swisstraeng]

One tone, endless possibilities.

[@KorotasGeckoGamingCorner]

6:23 Yknow,I remember something from PDTH,if you killed the manager on First World Bank,the first assault becomes somewhat more aggressive,does this not apply to this game?

[@the_officials38]

Thank you, I didn't know that even BOTS count towards the enemy counter

[@WitphC79]

holy shit i was waiting this kind of video explain about assault mechanic ever i join since it's free, i even digged back some old article and now finally there's video about it! thanks Richard :D

[@sanicpl1499]

If you want we can play around together, lately in life i've been feeling at a loss of who to play with. I have some hours behind my belt (like about 500 or so) so i guess i could teach you some new tricks you didnt see on youtube yet. I'm open for a game if i find strenght in myself to play! you can easily access my steam account profile page since on my channell banner thing there is a link to my steam account. Altough be sure to announce yourself in the comments (i will make sure to delete it after the fact so it wont be there like "im a famous person" or anything.)

[@RhyliaNoski]

RICHARD STAWP WE CANT TAKE THIS MANY VIDS MAN

[@galiciaj04jj5]

Wow thx for helping me with the mechanics I've been trying to figure it out myself but couldn't do it some pretty advanced stuff but I can always rewatch

[@timur5241]

AI needs to develop squad tactics Here's my suggestion Shotgunners, SMGs, tasers and medics stay behind the shielders and assault rifles & bulldozer being some sort of firing squads (I know nothing about FBIs & heavies in this game) Cloakers are acting individually and sneaking up on heisters instead of being in squad of other SWATs (they're "cloakers" after all, which means they suppose to be stealthy and unexpected for player) All of them have same animations as player (mocap anims slow them down)

[@mybelle7969]

0:32 I've encountered that bug where the police don't attack but for me they attack when I get closer or provoke them

[@kotorybeusz7246]

First Song In this video is called "Blueprints" from payday 2.

[@octaviain7028]

I have visual on 3- *gets shot by 4 heavily armed men in masks*

[@Notllamalord]

The fact that one civilian is more valuable than thousands of cops

[@Kyo23415]

The fact that 1 captured cop is more valuable than thousands of cops

[@ethanwinters6890]

The cops in payday are clones. But I don't know why they care about captured cops

[@zakaevier8815]

Finally a easy to understand guide on assualt wave ;

[@nuke_m4n]

"They're pulling back!" Finally time to rest **10 sec later** **assault starts** Are you fu-

[@Fencer_Nowa]

this was quite helpful to know. i always wondered how assault waves worked

[@wndy_i]

This really helped with all my heists. Thanks bro

[@DemonCollie]

Huh. This explains a lot. Thank you for this video. Clears up a lot of confusion I had with certain things.

[@TheDoktatorship]

thank the gods someone made this, upto now ive had only a vague idea about assault waves. does drama effect a soundtrack's more awesome part (such as the vocals in break the rules), or is it a bit more scripted?

[@Ethan-qy3hc]

I don't think so mostly because I've been using break the rules a lot and the vocals just happen at random times. Like I can get a heist without vocals and then the next with vocals playing at 6 random times.

[@sanicpl1499]

In my opinion there should be seperate tracks for "Break The Rules" For people who want to focus more on the assult phase and taking mental notes of enemies and their placement/advancment and the Vocals version for people who want to relax more and have a fun time playing with/without friends.

[@aleksazecevic9414]

Awsome video as allways. Keep making good videos like this one!!!

[@Mr_harmonica]

Ah yes the thing that happens for 99.9% of the heist

[@Luc-jc4dl]

Ok (proceeds to not even mildly understand)

[@krono-xyz]

Are we not going to talk about the kick ass music

[@devidotnova]

thanks for the tutorial! i will keep this in mind next time i rob wells fargo

[@theonlymann1485]

Sooooo....... Drama is like the director AI from L4D2?

[@blackjacklastshack6111]

Yeah except its ai sucks

[@dr_climate]

Me doing stealth: a random dude that got in to my lobby: *sounds the alarm* *Razormind Starts* AH FOR FU-

[@dorukayhanwastaken]

Richard: 7:33 LMG users: I recognize that you made a decision, but given that it's a stupid-ass decision I've elected to ignore it.

[@ZakSkits]

Be ready for anything!!

[@Antunes762]

Did you know Jacket's real name is Richard?

[@kitkat2849-b3h]

I thought that was the mask's name. hehehe, "richard dangles"

[@minnieshoof]

I really liked the video, but I think a summary and suggestion section would be super useful, like you mention not to just keep shooting cops as they spawn.

[@Nothing92849]

This is just a training video for future heisters

[@mohabtameregyptgamer8902]

Cloaker is in your walls.

[@Theogwhitemask]

What about when captain winters orders an endless assault

[@ehehdudyrgevvevdgderbrhhe5350]

My gameplay strategy on police assaults is bhop jumping and shooting them in the face with the joceline O/U shotgun

[@TheHospitalgyt]

What he is trying to say is that if you are being assaulted you could die

[@kawaiidouchebag4176]

Not sure if you noticed, but at 4:21 you said 40 seconds but the onscreen text said 0s

[@some_gaming3840]

So main take away: OVERKILL DEV'S ARE INSANE.

[@genkureshima9834]

Actually, they're bad at making games but insane also works, I guess.

[@yoshifan2334]

So as I understand it, police will re-assault quickly when the crew is doing poorly, and assault waves will end much more abruptly if the crew is doing very well. Side question: how does winters fit into all this?

[@Bjorn308]

So you can basically trap the cops in the Fade phase? I'll have to try that sometime...

[@artifica0]

I didnt know it was so in depth

[@vaasmontenegro9299]

I just wanted to know what the control phase is

[@Kunnoc]

I didn't know until this Before this I only know Assault and Assault ends

[@buildthebeast5562]

Heh. Watching this three year old video and somebody in the chat at 1:59 says "is it me or does the meta seem to be going away from dodge". Boy was he wrong.