PAYDAY 3 FROM THE EYES OF SOMEONE WHO NEVER PLAYED PAYDAY BEFORE

[@Shnoochi]

This has to be the most real review i think ive ever watched. Just brutally honest with no bias. Good job man

[@creeper4599]

This seems to be like a good review actually. It gets the gist of the state of payday 3 right now. It's a little empty as it is, but it has a lot of potential to grow and become a genuine successor to payday 2, despite the poor launch

[@GamePilLP]

This was always gonna be an issue. Payday 2 had over 70 heists so obviously Payday 3 is gonna be a step down but it took Payday 2 about 10 years to get all that content and Payday 3 hasnt even had a year yet (and so far the only new heist we got is really good imo)

[@DeathSpread]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate that :) there's definitely a lot coming to the game, I'm excited to see what they do with it as I never got that opportunity with PD2

[@WaylaidByEndlessNinjas]

@@GamePilLPI feel you. When i first saw people complaining that payday 3 has a lack of heists, i was like "payday 2 was the same, and 4 of them are literally the same." Payday 1 started with only a handful of big scale heists and no one complained. Now payday 3 used the same logic and everyone is complaining. Now I know that payday 3 is quite rough right now, but from what i see its people comparing a game with a rocky beginning to a game that was polished since 2013 and are like "uhhh why is payday 3 so smaller than payday 2". D i d y o u c h e c k t h e D L C s t o r e ? ?

[@xoeleox2079]

Unfortunately Payday 3 is not positioned to be a successor to Payday 2, it's positioned to be a successor to Payday: The Heist.

[@AlexDoubleAU]

Oh Oh no I just noticed This was BEFORE the progression got reworked I'm SO SORRY The scarcity of ammo is intended, makes Ammo Bags more useful, just like in the first game. In Payday 2, Ammo bags are basically just used for the Bottomless magazine skill As for cloakers... Everyone who played Payday 2 has PTSD from those bastards

[@DeathSpread]

Ahh I see, so some of the idiosyncronisidies with the game are a reaction to Payday 2. Which honestly is what it should be, if ammo bags were not what they wanted them to be in the previous game, adjust it! Let old players get used to the New system and new players get used to the way it is intended. I like it

[@TheBingoAstro]

All I've ever seen from the Payday community is either the 2 same sides: "Payday 3 BAD" and "Payday 3 is BACK." But I've never seen the perspective of a new player trying out the franchise and starting out with Payday 3. The points you made are definitely fair and it's interesting to listen to the thought process of a rookie. Welcome to the heisting world, your criminal record starts here.

[@DeathSpread]

Thank you! That's partly what drove me to do this, I know I have a weird position where I know the game but never played any in the franchise. So it's almost like I'd feel bad if I didn't at least make an ATTEMPT to do something unique haha. Everyone compares Payday 2 to Payday 3... how would it be if it were the other way around..? ;) But yes! Thank you. Thank you very much, I appreciate it :)

[@skeley6776]

I mean PD 3 is bad but Im sure it can be funny with the boys for a couple of days if u get for free on gamepass.

[@flamewheel1747]

This was definitely a refreshing view to see. I'm glad you put the time to give it a go. It's rough sseeing that old Jan build before they really started pouring some love into the series, but it's great to see it's improved now. anyway: a lot of the story moments in the cutscenes are either references to Payday 2 or Payday: The Heist, the previous games, which since Payday has such a rich history when you play a game that's been in development over a decade and game's starting roots that began in 2012, it is something beautiful to engage in. Now the reason I believe you take issue with the Banks freezing and that they're heisters that they should've diversified their money. This is true and would be easy to assume that's what they had been doing this whole time if they're not keeping the money in a big vault under the safehouse or on Offshore Tax Havens, but in the events after Payday 2, when the president of the universe: Bob McKendrick is in the White House, the heisters all retired from heisting, their names pardoned and with their boatload of money: went on to live very comfortable civilian lives... for the most part, some people still kept to a life of crime, but it was more because it was all they knew. anyway: fastforward a few years after their retirement, a group of figureheads who have ties to an Ex-Murkywater contractor puts out a hit on the gang, Shade - the woman in your ears throughout the heists - manages to get into contact with 5 of the original heisters: Dallas, Hoxton, Chains, Wolf (the legacy 4 that you just cannot have a Payday game without them, as they learned when they pulled the stunt with Hoxton disappearing and Houston took the role as Hox for a while in Payday 2) and Joy, just before the hit is about to be carried out. In the midst of them having to now fight for their lives (along with every other member of the Gang, who are "unaccounted for") and escape from these hitmen: their accounts - which now were Civilian accounts - have been frozen, they're locked out of their money and their lives of luxury and excess was stripped from them, yet they at the beginning have no idea who is the mastermind behind this expertly calculated hit, and who on earth would know the gang deep enough to assault them that hard, all they know is: they're back in the game, and they want more than just answers. the Secret Tapes in Payday 2 offers brief glimpses into who exactly is out for Payday blood, but it's definitely in riddles how much is there. the DLC Roadmap is looking into more and more of this information (so far we know the name of the big mastermind behind it all after doing some digging in a Data Center which initially was for holding Military secrets on Drone Technology, and we have a feeling we know what they want to do specifically after one of our mosst trusted - but also stark raving mad - contractors: Vlad, gives us information about the mastermind after doing a job in The Bronx invading the Police Department to "take back what was mine!" since Vlad had been caught up in a Framed Sting Op on IRS gold by crooked cops planting Coke amongst the bullion). hopefully my long spiel on this (if you're willing to sit through and read it) should help you understand a bit better what happened, why things are done this way, and ultimately why in Payday 3: the gang's now without money.

[@Echezeke]

I am one of the very few payday 2 regulars that actually loved and still love payday 3. I wont lie after 150 hours it did get boring but ive recently come back with the last 2 updates and im having a blast again. Id consider sticking around as the summer is suppost to be jam packed with new content

[@AppsolusZero]

Hi, fellow PD3 enjoyer from the beginning! People will never understand how degrading it was to be a fan during the first 6 months. 😂 But I'm glad I stuck with it now that it's getting better!

[@DeathSpread]

I'm honestly excited for this year, since I was never "spoiled" with Payday 2 in it's prime I'm more than ready to watch this game get some much needed love

[@PromiseIsAPendulum]

i am an immense fan of payday 2s very fast paced higher difficulties, i didn’t dislike my time with 3 around release but i haven’t gone back since there isn’t much that makes it worth for me

[@adamkeach400]

Legend!

[@DeathSpread]

Says the legend!

[@Ellisika]

Yeah honestly i love pd3 i’ve been a fan of the series since 2015 and yes the game is rough but I still play it every day because I just love the formula, and it’s only getting better each update.

[@DeathSpread]

It definitely has the markings of a great game play loop, just need to spend time with it and I'm sure I'll get borderline addicted. Excited for the game to get more attention!

[@CentreMetre]

I think on that heist (no rest for the wicked), on normal, the game puts markers where the bollard switches are, you kinda shot yourself in the foot there

[@abstractnooodles634]

the K - noli had me dying but overall interesting pov from someone outside of the medic bag XD 👍

[@The_Gamebuster]

I would love to play with this guy, and let him take the lead on a heist. If you ever host a payday lobby, that would be amazing and people would love to help you.

[@antynomity]

3:37 I feel like this is one of the many reasons why not a lot of people like this game. It doesn't have much depth in stuff like builds or strategies but one might think otherwise because like the game lead dev said himself, that PAYDAY 3 is 'hard to learn, easy to master'. Especially the armour system... Whoever thought it was a good idea... Didn't play a game in pubs on low difficulties where new players struggle to complete heists on NORMAL. Because you're punished for making mistakes, no matter how big or small with permanent armour damage.

[@DeathSpread]

That's really it. The learning curve is seemingly huge for the game, but the tools they give you are simple. It's almost reminiscent of a rhythm game to me, simple controls, but practice makes perfect, nothing else

[@ozwilliamTLDR]

I found there to be quite a bit of build variety. You can focus on normal damage focused builds with stuff solely focusing on guns but its really fun to experiment with builds focusing on frag grenades and generating grit for constant armour chunk regeneration (with plate up) or stunning enemies a bunch with flashes, smokes, or shocks. Then there's manipulator and CQC human shields to work around with, Im at around 90 hours in pd3 with 600 hours in pd2 (I don't have as much time as I used to lmao) but I've made a bunch of loadouts all around other builds and even if they are not meta and good for every single situation they can really shine in some circumstances. I do agree a bit with the permanent armour damage but not entirely, I still think it could've been done better. Having limited possible armour you could preserve by using cover essentially giving you a time limit on the heist feels really reminiscent of heist movies where they have to get everything done and get out ASAP, but the way that final charge works where it triggers not based on the amount of waves that have passed but whether or not you are able to escape yet kind of makes the difficulty ramp up through the heist a bit unbalanced and made it so bringing armour bags was WAY too important, making any other deployable almost a sabotage to your team if you brought it. The game is in a better place balance wise between all of the options which is good, but it's kind of lost that time limit pressure it had at launch. But it is in an overall great state right now!

[@antynomity]

@@ozwilliamTLDR well payday the heist did the heist movie thing much better by just not letting you regenerate health without supplies, armour is supposed to be the damage buffer you need to get shit done, not another resource to have, also playing as fast as possible, while good on paper, is yet another reason why not so many people play PAYDAY 3 in the first place. It's not fun to play a game where the most 'fun' and optimal way to play is to get back into the menus as fast as humanly possible, instead of engaging with the game's fun combat. Not to say that playing as fast as possible shouldn't be done on some heists, taking PDTH into consideration again, the van chase part is something just like that, you can push up as fast as you can, or you can take it slow and wait for an assault break, making decisions is fun when it's done in a positive way for the player.

[@antynomity]

@@DeathSpread yeah, and the limited heist replayability only highlights that kind of playing mindset even more, as every time you play a heist it's basically going to be the exact same, with the exception of some true RNG objectives which they love to overuse sadly instead of variation in objectives compared to 2.

[@Jocken75]

Well if you have not played any other Payday then I think Payday 3 is a good choice to start with 🙂

[@KeenanBask]

Maybe not a launch but it’s a good game now

[@Jocken75]

@@KeenanBask yes correct 👍

[@DeathSpread]

Agreed! I mean, I'm biased, but agreed haha

[@MrNitron87]

This was my first one as well, ive put some time into 2 now as well but i did everything this game had on launch before i went back, i prefer 3 because its much more intuitive with the stealth

[@kriegthepsycko5587]

This is a very fair review. Payday 3 is the worst entry into the series by a long shot. Many of us who were familiar with the mechanics and story of the prior games were left confused most of the time. That said, I'm glad you were able to find enjoyment in the game, even at its lowest. It is getting better, thankfully. I hope you can eventually find a time to come back and give it a shot again, once it gets a lot more updates(likely a year or 2).

[@DeathSpread]

Thank you, I really appreciate that!! I plan on coming back like you said in a year or 2, I definitely want to see how this game grows and changes overtime. After playing Fallout76 for so many years and seeing how they rebounded that, I can only imagine the potential with a game that isn't half as bad as 76 was at launch. Very exctited!

[@youokboi8556]

8:01 sir that is an APPLE

[@DeathSpread]

......you know, if you didn't point that out, I 100% would have made that joke to my friends. But uh. Nevermind haha

[@creed9938]

I have 3000 hours between all 3 payday games and Ivr loved this franchise for almost a decade and I can say payday 2 is the best payday game but it had 10 years of development so payday 3 has potential to succeed it’s predecessor after many updates and community support great video tho ❤🔥

[@xoeleox2079]

6:27, this is actually incorrect, so don't feel bad about your experience here. There is a lot about Payday 3 mechanically that is different from Payday 2, and I think it's actually probably easier for a new player to pick up Payday 3 than it is for a player to transition from playing Payday 2. The special enemies fill similar roles but act differently, the gunplay is changed entirely, and there are new mechanics like sliding that simply don't exist in Payday 2. It has more in common with other modern shooter games than Payday 2 in my opinion. 8:53 also yeah your bewilderment here is shared lol Payday 2 hit such high stakes they felt they had to hit the reset button narratively, and imo didn't handle it very well More broadly, it'd be interesting what you thought of Payday 2 and Payday: The Heist now, having played Payday 3.

[@KeenanBask]

My biggest issue is payday 2 and 3 are completely different in the way they play and feel like I think my friend said it best when he said payday 2 is cod zombies on round 50 it doesn’t require much skill whereas payday 3 u have to be constantly strategising and making sure not to run out of ammo now I won’t lie I prefer payday 2 but it depends on what gameplay formula u like I think payday 1 is a good balance between both of them which is pretty funny considering it’s the first

[@DeathSpread]

I've obviously been considering playing Payday 2, but playing Payday 1... hmmmm... that's not a bad idea

[@KeenanBask]

@@DeathSpread it’s pretty old but it’s good I will warn u tho all the payday 1 content is in payday 2 including all the heists and their respective music tracks so ur only playing for the original gameplay and graphics

[@mrrackrock]

Payday 1 is very similar to 2​@@DeathSpread

[@Dillyj8]

@@DeathSpreadif you are considering getting the first, then it a $1.50

[@skeley6776]

just play on DSOD and dont run Stoic, Leech and Hacker and u will feel somewhat challenged in PD2

[@Dynaamical]

so poggers…..

[@rnbpl]

would i have fun with payday 3 if i absolutely hated the goofy bullet sponge builds and enemies in payday 2?

[@skeley6776]

Crossplay is in theory good but usually its worse for everyone. And Devs love saying we cant do X or we need more time for X because of Crossplay.

[@StormyDev]

Cool video. Payday has DLC heist and you can play them even if you don't own them. Would you like to join me as the new payday heist is out today?

[@DeathSpread]

Potentially! I'll keep that in mind if I decide to do anything else with the game, thank you!

[@Arch_TheGlassman]

Pretty sure thats the outdated complete story, which doesn’t have the last 1-2 years of Payday storyline up till Payday 3

[@DeathSpread]

See that'd make sense. Story felt like an afterthought but I'm sure I just was too early to the party/didn't get full scope

[@Dillyj8]

Also the lady talking to you is name shades she replaced the orginal person who talked to you who was Bain.

[@Square_Rabbit]

This video has shown me an interesting failure on the game's part that I hadn't noticed nor considered before now. While it does prompt you to play the tutorial when you launch the game, it apparently doesn't tell you that that was just one of _four_ tutorial missions. You played the loud tutorial, but the other three cover things like stealth and crowd control, which probably would have been a lot of help for your first attempts at No Rest For The Wicked's stealth.

[@DeathSpread]

WHAT? There's 3 other tutorials? Ugh that would've been so nice for me to know hahaha. That would've helped a lot yeah

[@lobotomite4468]

do another payday 3 video

[@falksweden]

A really good and fair review! I feel that Payday 3 is the better game but quite thin so far. Payday 2 is more, not better. I hope that Payday 3 will be the same amazing journey for the next 10 years that Payday 2 has been.

[@DeathSpread]

Thank you! I am too, may have to keep an eye on the series as time goes by, especially for update videos if that ever happens

[@daws.9995]

play payday 2 next

[@DeathSpread]

I might just have to. Hmmmm

[@Dillyj8]

They could pull a fallout 76 or cyberpunk. Anyways we welcome you to the criminal underworld.

[@DeathSpread]

Thank you! As an avid 76 player and lover of NMS I'd welcome this with open arms

[@Dillyj8]

@@DeathSpreadI started playing payday late in payday 2 life cycle, I loved payday 2 and found it was good and I was kinda skeptical of payday 3 as another payday game a mobile game payday crime war was not good. So when I saw not good review I decided I’ll wait for it to get fix and I got it for Christmas and played it and found it fun. I recommend the dlc two syntax error feel so good in stealth and boys in blue. Almir lead game designer also live stream on twitch name Almir gaming and he play heist and answer questions about the game.

[@Dillyj8]

I found the heist good to beside under the shepherd that heist can take a hike.

[@Dillyj8]

@@DeathSpreadalso tip, hacker skill line can allow you to hack a camera that allow you to not see you or your team and you can get 2 and you can get one more run time in scrambler allowing you to get 3 making stealth easy but very hard or overkill can have a camera that stop this hack after 5 minutes and grifter is also op for stealth as it allow civs to ignore you doing illegal actions as long as you have rush.

[@Dillyj8]

@@DeathSpreadhey just wounding two questions, checked out any of the dlc heist and what your opinion on black ops 6 from the trailers and the beta

[@reorseX]

yeah the only way to like payday 3 is to have never played payday before lmao

[@creed9938]

Not because payday 3 is bad but because payday 2 is so good

[@Xenocide333]

Cool vid, I love PD3, but it's lacking content and very basic features. I never liked PD2, I enjoy WAY MORE PD:TH, so this new entry is more entertaining for me. Hopefully this new update and the upcoming ones, bring old and new players, and we can "revive" the game, it's really fun imo.

[@DeathSpread]

I'm very interested in experiencing PD:TH, really thinking of making a video about it. Payday 2 was THE GAME for a few years in my friend group and having experienced the third, I would LOVE to look at the first and THEN the golden goose of the second. May be fun...

[@ghostchasewrestling]

I personally like payday 3 more than payday 2. Payday 2’s stealth is ASS. Idc what anyone says. The stealth mechanics in that game was complete trash. In payday 3 there are atleast actual fleshed out stealth mechanics.

[@DeathSpread]

I absolutely destroyed the stealth mechanics, couldn't do them for the life of me. Going loud was fun but I can tell they put a lot of work into stealth in this game, definitely need to practice it

[@ghostchasewrestling]

@@DeathSpread fam, the rush mechanic alone makes dirty ice a cake walk in difficulties up to hard for me. If ur playing coop. One person stays in the lobby and just abuses rush as they loot the lobby while the other person deals with the rest of the stuff like cams, the evidence in the safe and the manager.