Payload downgrade, pricing and details of the new Toyota Land Cruiser Prado

[@ducksnuts1385]

IMHO from a 150 VX Owner who was looking to upgrade Positives - Looks great from the outside - Front dash and front seating area are excellent - Tech and screens look fantastic - 8 speed auto Negatives - Approx 10k + more expensive across the range - No gas struts for bonnet - 48 V mild hybrid adds complexity, and dubious benefits - Ad Blue addition and still has a DPF - Same carryover engine 2.8 L GD with no more power/torque - Seven seat set up is a backwards step with a much smaller amount of boot room/very high lip, plastic storage ‘box’ and lack of room for a fridge - Toyota says seats can’t be removed due to battery underneath - Weighs 250-300kg more - Cool box is much smaller than 150 on VX+ - Rear seats/2nd row don’t slide back-and-forth for more space - Only 2, 5 seat variants the GX and the altitude to avoid to limited boot space - Fuel tank is 110 L - less than 150 L from the Prado 150 - Smaller boot opening height than the 150 - no rear Diff lock in anything but the altitude - more models in old 150 have both - Payloads approx 100kg less than old 150’s - Stop start - Wheel not on the back, under car - Glove box and storage in the front is small I.e no sunglasses holder, storage above gearshift in cubby - Driver monitoring system annoyance - No space for a dual battery under bonnet -Sliding GVM kg, moves up and down depending on model grade. Previous Prado was fixed GVM for all models, with payload increasing as you went down the range with less kit.

[@spudboy1328]

That is an EXCELLENT summary of the situation. I'd be looking at a 300 instead...

[@ducksnuts1385]

Yep - disappointing - hopefully they rectify the 7 seat issue and some of the other ones listed and bring out the 2.4L turbo hybrid (like the USA) in future releases with decent payload - but that may impact 300 sales

[@gfrancis977]

Longer wheelbase and wider track will make it a more stable tow vehicle, but yeah, doesn’t seem to be too many positives here

[@peterstaggs1956]

Ford must be thrilled with what Toyota has done to Prado.

[@grahamehuxley859]

You summed up the situation perfectly.

[@philross1680]

I drove a GXL at our local Toyota dealer yesterday and was impressed with how it drove . Not so impressed is the third row seating storage making the boot almost useless. The exterior dimensions have grown a lot and the height might be a difficult in some garages. Also on a $87000 SUV the faux leather seating along with no memory seating for the driver and no electric adjustment for the passenger seat is a letdown. Based on the half hour drive I had I noticed wind noise around the driver and passenger windows , the engine is noisy and lags a little on take off. Ride comfort on the GXL with 18” wheels seems ok on bumpier roads. Safety tech as on most new cars is a little intrusive so hopefully some of it can be turned off. Based on my limited drive in the new Prado I’ll give it a 6 out of 10 mainly because of the dreadful third row seating storage design which i think could be a deal breaker with a lot of buyers. I don’t think the Ford Everest Sport V6 has anything to worry about at the moment.

[@DeepCreekRoadBand]

I drove a GXL and an Altitude yesterday too. I think your review is spot on.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

do you want a off road wagon or a luxury car ? if you want luxury buy a LEXUS ,we don't get the ford Everest in the states , the ford explorer but its more 3 row family school bus than a off roader more dirt street awd has no low range

[@philross1680]

The Ford Everest is not a Soft roader as you say but in Australia it is Fords version and direct competitor of the Prado. Both are great off road cars. Here in Australia both the Prado and the Everest are used as everyday cars and for weekend off roading. I suggest you may look up a few reviews comparing the Everest with the Prado for a better understanding of these vehicles and their uses. My main criticism of the 2024 Toyota Prado is the design of the third row in the 7 seater Australian models and the way they are stowed which takes up most of the luggage space in the trunk.

[@daweigo6851]

Thanks for the good info

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

@@philross1680 the U.S ford "explorer" is a soft roader we dont get the Everest in the U.S.

[@phillbrewer4880]

The GX grade is the one that represents best value in my opinion, however, the BYD Shark 6 is $20,000 less and is equivalent to the top of the range Prado. You can buy a lot of gear for that sort of money, including a GVM upgrade, better tyres etc. I think the BYD will blow it out of the water

[@green_comet83]

Wait till you see the awful third row seats/boot floor height, this alone is going to lose a heap of sales for the new Prado.

[@chasingcars]

We’ll cover that in our review. The situation looks… interesting

[@aristoioannidis7490]

I cancelled my order for the VX specifically for this reason and the payload limit of 60KG in the rear.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

should see the U.S Toyota sequoia's fold down rear seats our so called best , the sequoia TRD PRO its priced like your LC300 VX we will see a 2025 4Runner TRIAL HUNTER and TRD PRO 4cy gas hybrid priced like your Prado VX or kakado no TOYOTA diesels in the U.S. you get the best TOYOTAS

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

@@aristoioannidis7490 one needs to go for the base model no opts to get max payload

[@stephenmiller9254]

@@aristoioannidis7490 its only the storage box at the back that has the 60kg limit. Its not referring to the whole cargo area.

[@caldz4392]

I cancelled my GXL . I just received my deposit back

[@philg2468]

Prado used to be a great outback vehicle with excellent range, decent payload, spare on the rear door and practical storage area. That has all gone out the window. I guess these buyers will be going back to the TroopCarrier as it is the only Toyota 4wd with exceptional (180L) twin fuel tanks, twice the payload (1200kgs) and full 3.5T towing and GCM. And the spare is on the back.

[@jasonwishart6800]

Toyota doing great things for the resale value on 150 Prados

[@peterstaggs1956]

Yes I could not agree more.

[@smiddysmidton8313]

The same people said the same about the last V8 200 series , how did that turn out? They are now dropping like stones as the 300 is out and about.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

@@smiddysmidton8313 lexus V8 LX570 too, if you can get past the ugly front end

[@daweigo6851]

​@@smiddysmidton8313different situation maybe as seems to be more a storage size issue etc

[@leoalexander7729]

I get my Altitude next week according to my dealer. So glad I chose a 5 seat model with that boot for the 7 seaters 😬

[@seamuskay7664]

Test drove yesterday with my Altitude already waiting at dealership. Cancelled order. Claustrophobic environment, very busy dashboard, loose but not plush drive with jarring over speed bumps and raspy engine note. Front dove a bit under braking but had the factory bullbar on the demonstrator. Cool box is about half the size internally but takes up the same space. WTF. Other negs as well. So disappointing

[@rubyred8845]

I like the new exterior styling.

[@Johnny-lt5ib]

Nice summary on the states mate thank you

[@aussiefarmer6012]

300kg heavier is ridiculous considering it has a smaller fuel tank. It won't realistically be able to tow 3500kg with a 350kg tow ball weight. You didn't mention GCM, that is probably too low like the GVM. 7 seat packaging is poorly designed. The toyota tax is well and truly gone up. 30,000 dollars between the bottom and top models for essential the same car. The 2.8 is going to struggle to move this car loaded and especially towing. The looks are a rip off of landrover, looks better than the 300 series though. At least for towing it has a live rear axel which is much better than independent rear suspension. Its a no from me.

[@petristorres8647]

Man that sucks gx doesnt have rear locker. I feel like i stuffed up ordering prado. Should have got a raptor. So disappointed thought i was getting rear locker and front disconnect. But because embargo on details i had to roll the dice. Might have to cancel my order.

[@tim9241]

Rear locker can be added aftermarket so not a huge deal. Rare you even need the locker with modern traction control being so good but agree it will be important to add aftermarket. I think sway bar disconnect is a bit gimmicky. The places that require KDSS are few and far between - and they aren’t exactly places you want to take your shiny new 80k Prado!

[@petristorres8647]

@tim9241 tracking control is only good till you get bogged and belly out. That's when lockers are wayyyy better.

[@toejoe5076]

Toyota are slowly but surely stuffing up their vehicles for Australian conditions.

[@vrhb5491]

with all its flows (add blue every 6k km, reduced storage, reduced fuel tank, same old underpower engine, 300 kg battery) it's just too expensive. Close to 90K? LC 150 GXL I bought 6 years ago was 65K, a $20 000 price jump???? It would be a better choice to top up another 15K and get 300 series in GX.

[@danieldezen8797]

Make sure you cover the disgusting boot set up of their 7 seat versions. Hugeeee deal breaker.

[@ross3282]

Lotta older prado owners who might be looking for a new outback touring wagon, like me, disappointed with 110l fuel tank.

[@chasingcars]

No sign of a bigger tank option in the pipeline either as we learned today

[@TROYBALLER]

110L fuel ⛽️ tank in a 4WD at that asking cost price is disgraceful. Especially when the last model had a 150L duel tank!

[@Murrayhewitt1967]

Yep. I’ve got the 180 L duel in my 2008 diesel turbo Prado. I’ve also taken out all the back seats. Best car ever. Looks like I won’t be upgrading any time soon. I will wait until Toyota bring us something a bit more design friendly with more power. That’s answer is the 300 so that’s my option or a mid 2015 onwards used Prado. The one that’s never been to the beach LOL

[@dejans2570]

Booth space design in GXL, VX and Kakadu is ridiculous. You have more space in Yaris 😂😂. Little better in GX and Altitude but still compromised. How comes Australia getting worse designs than other countries? Canceled order.

[@nathansharma87]

Because Aussies would buy a $120k wheelbarrow if it had a Ranger or Landcruiser badge and black wheels.

[@andrewmunro5915]

Same here. I was really looking forward to my Kakadu arriving then I saw the Frankenstein boot and canceled. They have made a large SUV with the boot of a sedan.

[@bertiebeetle525]

I also cancelled my GXL order because of the absurd boot. How to stuff up an otherwise fabulous car!

[@primafacie6442]

I think we’ve past Peak Prado with the last 150kw model. I say that having seen the NZ Adventure at the dealer yesterday. I like the new styling, but the tiny boot and 60kg boot weight limit is quite ridiculous and I say NO DEAL

[@daweigo6851]

​@@nathansharma87ha ha so true 😅😅

[@Lewythefly]

It looks great, especially the VX, but poor engine and expensive. Too expensive for a 2.8L

[@lordcmdradama3969]

Oof, 700kg available payload doesn’t make for a 3500kg tow vehicle as the remaining 350kg has to cover passengers, accessories and 100l fuel.

[@stephenmiller9254]

Toyota add full fluids for their curb weight so the 100L of fuel is already in their weights. Unlike say a nissan patrol Y62 they only have the 10kg of fuel in their calculations, so you need to add another 130kg when working out the kerb weight of the patrol

[@biglap.australia]

Too many negatives to be bothered with to be honest. Toyota isn’t what it used to be and at this price point I would be looking elsewhere.

[@anakinskywalker4113]

Boo Toyota why have you downgraded us to a 2.8l? With a lower payload. For such a big vehicle a 2.8l 4cly oil burner is just way too small

[@Murrayhewitt1967]

Here’s a point to really consider. I use my off road for Australian beach camping. I’ve seen some reviews where they test the height. With the spare tyre now under the car it dramatically lowers the bottom. I see it ploughing through sand big time. Will be interesting to see the videos of this in real life. Buyer beware.

[@benparsons6148]

Current Prado owner and due for an upgrade but this is too expensive and too compromised. Looks nice but they’ve prioritised form over function unfortunately.

[@jhionyds4645]

Prado in new tuxedo that’s all I would prefer the current Prado for less price

[@Marks.Reviews]

Going off offical Toyota specs, GX 250 series is 255kg heavier than GX 150 series. GXL 250 series is 250kg heavier than GXL 150 series.

[@Pik0l0]

Hopefully ppl wake up and stop letting Toyota take the piss.

[@daweigo6851]

They probably won't 😅

[@kreamypie]

I guess newer is not always better

[@leithmurray736]

From what I see here I’ve got to say it appears to be Avery disappointing vehicle

[@simonv1409]

Cancelling my Kakadu order right now. Terrible.

[@drj3d132]

Cancelled my GXL order. Very disappointing.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

nice ,you get all the good TOYOTAs in auz , in the states we get 3 LC/250prado models thats it ,now lexus U.S. has 7 LC300 MODELS= LX600/LX700H fully loaded luxury

[@oggyoggy1299]

+300kgs!!!! It’s like having 3-4 other people in the car, all the time!

[@nathansharma87]

It feels like after decades of loving Toyota products and them always bejng just right and value for money im left disappointed model after model as the new cars roll in.

[@jamesm6341]

Suspension travel increases in new prado is significant

[@Madmuttonbird]

Love it ...... Just Saying

[@primafacie6442]

I was looking at the GXL, not any more….i’ll maybe wait for the 2025 launch of the V6 3500 Honda Passport

[@narendrathapa7855]

I would rather go 2023 prado.

[@ajipaul8303]

they messed up the boot in the 7 sear version, totally useless if you plan use the suv for camping. derive is good, seats and comfortable

[@kirkhobbs1473]

How is a rear seat delete an option for a 90K + car? i want the 7 seats, but with this 7 seat design the car is almost unlivable as a daily, the gaps between the seats and rear storage box are cavernous. my current VX 150 has a mat, which i am sure you can put over.... but it is all just too damn high. talk about an own goal Toyota. i went and looked at a vehicle this week and walked away after opening up the tail gate..... look for yourself. yes, it really is that bad as a 7 seater.

[@billsingh75]

There are better suvs in the market for the price of this version of Parado

[@richmacdod]

GCM?

[@jameshayes2941]

The boot is a mess

[@netsiteing]

downgrade in payload, 2nd row and boot / 3rd row space and no rear locker ... front row is the place to be with upgrade in looks inside and out and some tech but this is overall a miss for Toyota for an increased price ... no wonder the used series 150 models have increased in price

[@peterstaggs1956]

I’ll be keeping my 2021 VX , was considering new one but not now.

[@MrJahoot]

Enjoy chucking buckets of adblue in it.

[@stevegordon-hall2732]

Old 2.8 plus ad blue go a Everest V6 anyday

[@dazzaw4681]

Unfortunately unmodified they are useless offroad...

[@stevegordon-hall2732]

@ The Toyota agree

[@kenl5954]

Grt features but. I have a 24k gxl 150. 250 is more weight, less load . cost increase , longer wider. Ummm keeping the 150. Wife dislikes the size of 150 to shop, prefers the tiguan r line. Toyota, why so big, heavy and dear?

[@kdogauch]

Keep in mind, these hybrids and trims are decided by Toyota Australia, to drive upselling (profits). Toyota in other regions have 600nm plain diesel, with more choices such as 5 or 7 seats on any trim. Restricting options and forcing hybrid is a strategy to upsell, such as pushing people into a 300 series. Toyota Australia offers a less capable 250 than Switzerland, Germany, Italy, France and so on. It’s not a coincidence.

[@tim9241]

Which country gets a 600nm diesel LC250? I don’t think that spec exists…

[@kdogauch]

@tim9241 Switzerland, I’m also surprised. I live here and double checked with Toyota Switzerland. It’s a 230hp / 600nm tune upgrade, confirmed. I’m planning to order later this year or early next year.

[@tim9241]

@ 230hp? That seems very low for 600Nm…

[@kdogauch]

@@tim9241 base is 203hp / 500nm, same as Australia. I test drove the base and it felt slightly slow from standstill, but fine once going. I think 230 would be enough. I mostly care about torque for offroad and towing. BTW, torque on the ground is higher than the 200 series v8, once you calculate through transmission, diff and tire diameter. Just a bit slower going.

[@tim9241]

@@kdogauch Nice, I hope we can get the same upgrade downunder!

[@tonyf7997]

Another questionable update. GVM + GCM???

[@chasingcars]

GCM is 6600kg on all grades.

[@lordcmdradama3969]

GVM is 3200, is GCM in the owners manual as its not online, not even in the Federal Vehicle approval. payload is around 700kg.

[@Scooterer1963]

​@@chasingcars So, a poxy 2.8 litre 4-banger and it's got a higher GCM than a Ranger V6 or Everest V6 (6,400 and 6,250kg respectively)? Doesn't Toyota still have buckets of excess cash? Why, oh why, can't they put a decent engine in the Hilux & Prado? And how does it weight SO much more than the outgoing model!?!? Sorry, this new Prado is a joke. I know they don't want to rob sales from the LC300, but still.....

[@snoopy13946]

Hardly any exterior colours to choose from. Wheels are all black on all trims (ugly). Forget it. I’m over Toyota

[@robstone4537]

I hate black wheels, looks like a car from the 80’s/ 90’s that has lost its hubcaps.

[@kdogauch]

The color makes you sad? Maybe 4x4 is not for you. Try a sedan with bright paint and chrome wheels?

[@snoopy13946]

@ What are you on about? The late model prado had many more colours to choose. It’s not as if they can’t offer them. I’m not a fan of any of the current colours on offer and definitely not those ugly wheels.

[@kdogauch]

@@snoopy13946 the theme they are marketing for this is “back to basics”. The colors (blue, yellow, brown, grey, white) might be inspired by similar 40 series colors (I think so), which also had black wheels and white roofs. Based on this, i’ll guess they’ll add more colors in future years. Red, green, turquoise for example.

[@BaronvonOldenBiker]

It's a great looking vehicle, but I wouldn't own one. Number one because it's a hybrid. Number two because it's a total step backwards from the 150 in just about everything. 4X4 vehicles are complicated enough these days without adding the complexity of a hybrid system not to mention Adblue. I can't see this being anywhere near an outback rig like the 150.

[@spiro5327]

Diesel only? What a disappointment for me as i hate Diesel.

[@PraveenTyson-z2x]

It's a good car. I am disappointed that there is no v6. But I won't be buying. Toyota learn something from Mazada ok. If Mazda can provide in line 6 engines for its cars why can't you.

[@Corey-pd3mi]

@@PraveenTyson-z2x ever heard of the 300 series 🤷‍♂️

[@navinda88]

Even though Toyota has advanced in style, power and handling, the main downside is the interior and practicality. The 7 seater is a a joke. I won't be surprised if people start to develop shoulder problems. By lifting things so high in the rear. And the non adjustable second row is stupid. When you put 2 Baby seats, the 3rd row becomes inaccessible as u can only tumble the second row! I think TOYOTA needs to rethink the interior. Maybe add a swinging tailgate and lower the battery to lower the whole bead and add tilt and slide second row.

[@peterstaggs1956]

According to a Toyota sales person ARB are already looking at modifying Prado to remove rear seats and ensure protection of the battery and ecu/control box . To me it looked like the seat and plastic box could be removed.

[@auraman4882]

@@peterstaggs1956 The question is why do you need a aftermarket accessory company to design these changes? And dont forget we need to pay for all of that on top of an already overpriced vehicle. Why cant it be more practical coming from factory design?

[@NathanE808]

Cmon toyota....or someone...bring out the rumoured new fj. Sick of these big lard ass 4x4s, need something more nimble

[@retepd1e]

Prado is now a real mall crawler and a soccer mums car. Forget touring as payload is 100kg less, fuel tank -40 litres, second row seats don’t slide, same old engine in a 200kg heavier car. Forget offroading too, diff lock available only in top spec, can’t remove third row seats as they’re built in with the battery system that nobody needs, etc.

[@TROYBALLER]

WAY overpriced Terrible shape Colour choice is sickening 🤢🤢🤮 And where is my 150L duel tank?? After 15 or so years, how do u get it so wrong with the NEW design ?

[@Murrayhewitt1967]

Yea agree. 20 years plus and they could have taken all the good and created a masterpiece but we get this badly designed mess. I think it looks great on the outside though. I like the box look.

[@daweigo6851]

So expensive 😮

[@BRICKSINSILK]

Stop saying too

[@cyclemoto8744]

All grades represent sh1111t payload. Yota have lost the plot

[@markbeake4873]

Really,? These new Toyotas are ugly. Looks like Toyota let the owners mentally challenged half brother take over the design. The fan boys will cry foul, but seriously, it’s a 1980s. Box Shaped car. Under powered, fuel guzzling, over priced and no storage space. Plus, if you want a higher spec vehicle the wait is 12 months after they take your deposit. It’s a no from me.

[@naifine]

They over priced it

[@samg8388]

Talking very fast like a nerd and very unclear

[@rafikshahnazarian7632]

Toooooo expensive

[@scottchin3582]

Sorry, the fuel tank capacity is a joke! The 120 has 180 litre, the 150 has 140litre, the new one is 110 litre!! With this capacity of fuel, how can Toyota call this car is capable of long distaance driving? It is pathathic!

[@Corey-pd3mi]

150 has 150L capacity

[@dazzaw4681]

And baby levels tow capacity...

[@Corey-pd3mi]

@@dazzaw4681 3.5T as much as anything else in Australia outside of a Yank Tank

[@spudboy1328]

@@Corey-pd3mi You don't want to be towing 3.5T with a Prado...

[@Corey-pd3mi]

@ could say the same about every other DC ute or SUV. Toyota say it can do the same job. You nor anyone else has proven them wrong yet

[@praneelchandra9963]

Winge,winge,not happy with Toyota,buy Chinese junk Tank 500