Dave demos the consequences of putting EQ in front of overdrive or behind it, so you can hear the surprising difference!
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@Mr.ABartley Жыл бұрын
This was very helpful. My ear was attracted to before.
@MrMd55552 жыл бұрын
Who else was dying to hear the tone with both eq pedals on pre od & post od at the same time?
@thierry83832 жыл бұрын
me, and i'm still waiting!!
@guitarbaxter6184 Жыл бұрын
Yes! I was! Lol
@choadcityusa Жыл бұрын
i was just about to ask about that. youre psychic
@chelericarte Жыл бұрын
RIP hahaha
@carminelombardi957511 ай бұрын
I was looking for a demo exactly like this, now I understand the differing tones pre and post distortion. Very much appreciated.
@royfulton2 жыл бұрын
Great demo, lovely tone/s and very tasty playing! Thank you.
@markusaurelius7773 күн бұрын
Dude, your vibrato and playing is super awesome. Nice !!!! :O
@darwinsaye3 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that Fender places their EQ before preamp tubes, and Marshall places it after them. This explains why a Tweed Deluxe has a fuzz like sound when cranked up, as the lows are driving the preamp tubes into full compressed flubbing out, whereas a Marshall tends to have lows tighter lows since the EQ is only boosting lows *after* the tubes are driven.
@RobSmith-rn3ie5 ай бұрын
That makes sense because I was going to say, in the first example with the scooped mids here it sounds like a 70s blues-rock tone, but placed afterwards it sounded like hair metal to me.
@Scooby7438 сағат бұрын
Excellent and Informative!
@federicoiribarren33353 жыл бұрын
Excelente test. Suena mucho mejor antes del overdrive.
@BadMofoMusicCritic3 жыл бұрын
Pre sounded best to me each time. In a mix it could be different of course. Just got a ge7, think I'll start with it front of chain.
@danieljbdj Жыл бұрын
excellent video showing varieties and textures other than timbres there is no better or worse, what exists is taste and for what purpose we want it
@huka832 жыл бұрын
So informative.... thank you!
@britneylauer67735 ай бұрын
I use two of them ... One in front for boosting the overdrive and the second one for tone shaping . Usually both are on
@garycrouse1918Ай бұрын
perfect demo thank you
@Xxmeca421xX3 жыл бұрын
I love that you have two and don't have to stop to switch them lol. Where would you put it on a board with OD, DISTORTION, FUZZ, DELAY, FLANGER, CHORUS, REVERB? I HAVE IT AT THE END OF MY CHAIN
@RHINOSAUR3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!
@martinthibodeaux46283 жыл бұрын
Before seems good for tailoring the way the overdrive distorts the signal, without a huge change in the overall tone of the pedal. After seems better for tailoring the tone of the pedal, without changing the way the overdrive distorts the signal. If I could only have one EQ pedal on my board, I'd put it after the drive. That way I could do tone shaping into whatever amp/speaker combo I'm using. It seems like the more versatile of the two options.
@mikeroadblock3 жыл бұрын
True.
@craigdaker1232 жыл бұрын
In my experience EQing after distortion or overdrive can quickly make things really muddy or harsh, so you have a lot more room to make adjustments if you put it before
@martinthibodeaux46282 жыл бұрын
@@craigdaker123 EQing either before OR after overdrive can quickly make things muddy and harsh. In my opinion, EQ should be about subtle tone shaping. Once you're to the point where you're cutting or boosting frequencies by more than a few db, I feel like its time to maybe adjust your amp settings or get a new OD pedal.
@craigdaker1232 жыл бұрын
@@martinthibodeaux4628 It’s always useful to cut use EQ to cut everything below 75hz and everything above 16k. Can’t get that with most amps. I agree with your comment about how much you should boost but buying a cheap EQ pedal to shape your overdrive either before or after is a much more economical idea than buying every OD pedal until you find one you like
@martinthibodeaux46282 жыл бұрын
@@craigdaker123 I would agree that it is sometimes useful to cut those frequencies, but I wouldn't say ALWAYS. That's really situation dependent. If you're in a full band situation, then yes. Cutting those bass frequencies allows the bass guitar to occupy that space without creating mud. Cutting the high frequencies gives space for the cymbals to occupy those frequencies. Cutting out certain mid frequencies helps the keyboard to occupy that space. But in the scenario where you're not in a full band situation, cutting all of those frequencies out could make your guitar sound quite thin. But I think we're agreeing with each other more than disagreeing. Cheers!
@user-gm6fl3sr1h3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Very good.
@sterlingmcvay24692 жыл бұрын
I Like Before, mostly, as it Pushes the Tone UPFRONT a bit more, but I can see actually, using 2, the one After, puts bit a bit more in a kind of, BACKSPACE - which you could Enhance with a REVERB, as sometimes you Want the Guitar Part Back Somewhat, especially if there is a Vocal going on, at the Same Time...
@Roosterboi216 ай бұрын
I liked the scooped sound after and the mid boost before.
@TimMilliken Жыл бұрын
I use one pre(1st) in chain to fix a guitar like a muddy hollow body. I use one post(last) to fix a dull amp or gas it.
@Mako47Ай бұрын
Just…yer tone! Wow man. Slick.
@muhammadajikusuma3003 жыл бұрын
eq before the distortion pedal of course 👌🏻
@drydreams85139 ай бұрын
I’ve never given it much thought I have been playing for years since day one of owning both a eq and overdrive pedal . I mixed it up after watching this video and idk don’t like post overdrive but it’s a good chance that I’m not used to it ,it’s totally out of the norm for me. But I like getting my eq sound clean with the right tone I want then adjusting and shaping the overdrive to compliment it’s tone not just drown it out. I run a Demonfx microtubes D7k ultra as my EQ / preamp section and a demonfx alpha omicron distortion pedal straight to the FX return . I’ll be trying it again ya never know it might grow on me with some experimenting I’m playing a rickenbacker bass with a ashdown electric blue amp it’s only 180watts 1x15 cab and 4x10 cab speakers but it will rock the house
@mikeroadblock3 жыл бұрын
Make more of these please?
@johnsmith-sm6mh3 жыл бұрын
Before for me gets the tone of the guitar “IMO” 🎸🎸🎸
@everonlyallfortheeАй бұрын
Great vid. Some here are saying EQ before drive sounds better, and it does, but that's not the point; he's got great tone to begin with. Seems the general rule is: EQ before drive does more to preserve the tone of the guitar, but is limited in its ability to do dramatic tone shaping. EQ after drive allows for dramatic changes in tone, but EQ changes are more pronounced and may end up messing with the good parts of the dry tone.
@RobSmith-rn3ie5 ай бұрын
The change in character is surprisingly pronounced. Definitely sounds better to me *before* the OD in all of the examples. Here's my question though. If I also have colored clean boost before my overdrive (boosts the low mids)...should my EQuator go at the very beginning or in between the clean mid booster and the overdrive??
@richardpierce7819Ай бұрын
I always put mine after the dirt pedals just before my hush pedal then into the amp. I also use a boost pedal before the dirt pedala.
@TheJamSpace3 жыл бұрын
Thanks ToneShapers, this helped me decide where I’ll be putting the EQ on my board. I’ll be putting it after my Tube Screamer mini and before my JHS AT+ (distortion pedal with Andy Timmons TS-808 pre-boost). I didn’t realize the pre-boost was Tube Screamer based when I bought the AT+ but for now by placing the EQ pedal between the TS mini and the AT+ I will have more ways/options to differentiate their tone from each other. If you’re curious how it works out there will be in a future video in my ‘Rescue My Rig’ series that covers it. I subbed your channel and if you’re at all interested in doing the same for me then I thank you. Cheers and Rock on! - Richard
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@wooryumsimonedes98513 жыл бұрын
Somebody had to do this - thanks, you're the man! Kudos.. (pre is better)
@zoso28502 жыл бұрын
I like it before the boost really shapes the tone
@dimitrioskarypidis27743 жыл бұрын
Before + After IMO [Subtractive EQ (LPF/HPF, Frequency cuts) PRE GAIN < Compressor PRE GAIN < Additive EQ (Parametric, for best results) POST GAIN]
@mikeroadblock3 жыл бұрын
Nice. It’s what you need to explore so you can get what you want from it. All things work in all positions, just used in different ways. Cheers!
@kicikocani14 ай бұрын
when i use screamers i use it before i tried after shuts down the tone dont know why but i ehat about the loop ?😊
@judgedonald2325 Жыл бұрын
I got the opposite. Mine acts as a huge boost after my distortion.
@frantisca3 жыл бұрын
Funny how results are so different: compressed, enhanced, cocked wah, nasal... noticed that there is quite a bit of hiss when the EQ is placed before. I have an OD/Boost pedal with 3 stages of clipping, 3 bandwith EQ and independent boost. Very efficient ! Cheers guys 🎸
@mikeroadblock3 жыл бұрын
What are you using kind sir?
@frantisca3 жыл бұрын
@@mikeroadblock I use a Super Signa from CmatMods
@jacobbockover16287 ай бұрын
Ive always had my eq after drives. Maybe ill put it in the middle of them or in front of all of them like a wah sorta thing
@iamnoone40463 жыл бұрын
Before
@thehockeyheathens238Ай бұрын
How about just in the fx loop...and where at end or beginning??
@greggallo535222 күн бұрын
What is that overdrive pedal that your useing?
@Mystninja2 жыл бұрын
What if you had both on at the same time. Will it create the Higgs boson?
@jasondorsey7110 Жыл бұрын
Disclaimer: may cause ripples in the multiverse
@Samana0093 жыл бұрын
I like before better
@philipbeer68462 жыл бұрын
What overdrive pedal ?
@TylerRoyMusicАй бұрын
Very bluesy and Gary Clark Jr feel after, although, I prefer before
@lemparpisauolahraga63506 ай бұрын
Tube screamer before the best
@squirelova18153 жыл бұрын
"After after."
@paradox77432 жыл бұрын
O k- I found that the EQ works best in the FX loop...
@gojero7322 жыл бұрын
Hi, I figured this out for myself too. I thought my guitar was the problem because the sound was dull on my amp. But with the EQ before I was totally not impressed at all. After a week or so I realised that my guitar sounds beautiful on my guitar teachers amp! So I tried the FX loop. Wow, that was an eye opener! My tiny Marshall DSL5R came alive. Even the distortion channel is useable! It is worth to try ‘after pedal’ again. I see some ideas that might work. But yes, EQ in the FX loop did the job!!!
@okepoi6 ай бұрын
Before for rhythm, After for lead
@digikaininja52 жыл бұрын
the tone I'm going after is MESHUGGAH (for life) and bass tuned @ 432 hz (forever) Bass tuned to (u guessed it) Meshuggah tuning F A# D# G# C# Bass to 1) Boss TU3 Tuner, to 2) Ebs compressor, to 3) Boss Metal zone (after this video) (high gain closer to bass), to 4) Ibanez Tube Screamer (guitar) to' 5) DOD Death Metal Pedal, to 6) Darkglass B7K,to 7) US Metal 21 rectifier to 8) Ibanez Bass Tube screamer (TS9B),to 9) Boss Bass Overdrive, to 10) Boss Bass Equalizer, to 11) Zoom B3 bass processor, to 12) Noise gate and finally to 13) EBS Amp / headphones. I still have to tweak this up a bit, rearrange the order and let' 's see how that goes.
@TheJasperfarstreet3 жыл бұрын
after all, i like it before.
@humro59603 жыл бұрын
It sounds better without EQ
@Xxmeca421xX3 жыл бұрын
Well he's not fine tuning the adjustments. He's doing dramatic changes so we can really hear the difference