Twitch Is Dead

[@Azrael79a]

Imagine having a 45 billion dollar company and deciding, "You know what. That goose that lays golden eggs eats way too much..."

[@willchurch8376]

Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!

[@RexDeorumYT]

Twitch is not a "golden goose". It burns money, it's been running at a loss since inception. This policy change is stupid as hell but so is the idea that they somehow print money.

[@QuietEscapism]

Welcome to capitalism. Obsessing over endless quarterly growth no matter how much money they make. Its never enough for them.

[@joeswansonchad7650]

@@RexDeorumYT they’re talking about streamers

[@devxved]

Im watching the likes go up in the hundreds in real time on this comment

[@Spubbily01]

Props to Twitch for trying to make their website more profitable by making their website significantly less profitable.

[@m.hendrix3339]

Well there are idiots out there that think putting more holes in the boat will stop it from sinking !

[@Lazarusaffect]

​@@m.hendrix3339it would fix it from floating though 🤓🥸🧐🤔

[@zack8194]

​@m.hendrix3339 if you put enough holes in the boat there's no boat to sink

[@blicky308]

What If you put a boat in a hole 🤔 😮?

[@mikeyg831]

​@@m.hendrix3339 how else do you get the water out then genius? You can't stop me from poking holes.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

"We missed the mark." The line every soulless corporation says when they are only sorry they got caught.

[@satanhoainterlocucaodoaman7412]

Lmao fr

[@jurassicturtle3666]

While they were taking a shot nobody asked for

[@Jasmine-yw8pl]

That doesn't even make sense

[@riotman3579]

Twitch don't want some money but all the money. What a joke.

[@nateo200]

I almost think a quarter assed apology is worse than no apology.

[@KirikoLoverr]

I swear. Twitch and Blizzard (Activision as a whole) are fighting for the title of the most incompetent company ever

[@C.A._Old]

they killed selfs. what ever man.

[@fatboikinder1522]

I dont like blaming blizzard because Ive been with blizzard for over 20+ years and still using the same email to log in, I just blame activision because they are the greedy bastards who killed blizzard lmao

[@giangkim8789]

ok

[@scottbullii5303]

Rockstar on top

[@chadchaddingson4675]

@@fatboikinder1522 truth, fuck Bobby K

[@sigataros]

Lifecycle of a company: 1. 3 dudes in a basement get an idea 2. they work their ass off to make it work 3. they are suddenly rich and make an actual company 4. they retire and let other people take care of it 5. those people implement dumb changes because their company ego is too high 6. eventually people get tired of their bullshit and move business elsewhere

[@celeste9958]

Circle of life. 😂

[@lemonmelon1883]

7. Someone else creates an alternative or picks up the torch, making actually good changes and inspiring trust in the company again. 8. Repeat from 4

[@cereal690]

lol 🤣

[@Samzatas]

@@lemonmelon1883 9: repeat from 7

[@josephdada2285]

@@Samzatas damn you guys just wrote infinite recursion

[@Glockimole]

Twitch fans: "Twitch is impossible to kill" Twitch staff: "Observe"

[@buzthebee6811]

Definitely

[@iktidaralam8951]

Twitch fans when a functional member of society walks in

[@prachetasnayse9709]

I think I read somewhere that when a company is “ too big to fail “ it automatically becomes its own competitor, aka you are your own worst enemy.

[@INoIFearIGaming]

Twitch : Hold my Bud Light

[@vapxr_9336]

@@prachetasnayse9709 real

[@Berd]

Charlie, please don't bash Plutonium mixed with Stupid Juice. that shit slaps

[@joaquinheredia83]

True

[@dabatman5187]

Yeah shits yummy

[@jayayvee_music]

hey it's berd

[@stomp8581]

Nice name

[@scumofsociety3965]

Berd don’t forget to take your pills

[@ShagBandit]

This is madness. These policy changes are completely absurd and will extremely limit the content available on the platform....unless there are shadier things going on behind the scenes.

[@kimsz]

Retteb si tnetnoc ym esuaceb, pleh rof smaercs DNA seirc elttil rieht raeh ot slrig elttil epar ot evol I!😂👌

[@cacau1810]

ok

[@HaruuMel615]

this time they killed themself this is why a lot twitch streamer move to You Tube

[@MilDarty]

I mean this is coming from the same place that had a "deer girl" which was some really excuse my french here ugly dude RPing as a deer and talking about white supremacy etc etc.

[@TrashisCoolFr]

Twitch’s ability to self-destruct is truly inspiring. Their website is already borderline unusable, they cut everyone’s pay, and now they’re doing this shit.

[@MSSMEG2005]

I made a ᴠɪᴅᴇᴏ on why being a minor attracted person is ᴠᴀʟɪᴅ ,,,,

[@DanKale]

It’s actually so hilarious how out of touch with everyone they are.

[@gangswag3447]

they lost a bet

[@MSSMEG2005]

im better than penguinz0

[@A-TALKING-TOASTER]

That's what happens when you let a bunch of horny DeGeneres run your company I bet the only type of interaction they get is with that's what happens when you let a bunch of horny DeGeneres run your company I bet the only type of interaction they get is with etubers

[@fennec812]

You know it’s a serious video when Charlie is both moist from sweat and critical of something.

[@christopherlewallen1829]

Underrated comment

[@ThaneKyrell]

top tier comment

[@lord-eg]

gorgeous comment

[@usedTNT]

10/10 comment. would like again.

[@Kitteh.B]

oooOOOHHHH SHIIIIT IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!

[@Adl1b_]

Honestly, the way Twitch and Blizzard have been competing so valiantly for the #1 spot in the Shoot Yourself in the Foot any% speed run without Charlie even offering the speed run challenge bounty is nuts. This is speed running at its finest

[@elijahthompson4812]

blizzard has a redemption arc bc diablo 4 too good

[@TheAtemAndrew]

Discord seemingly wants a piece of that action with this username nonsense...

[@OverlyAssertive]

@@TheAtemAndrew what happened with discord? Missed that one

[@r1g0r_m0rt1s]

​@@elijahthompson4812 Don't let them jingling keys in front of you distract you from the fact that the company sexually harasses their female workers and got 0 punishment for it.

[@Berserker452]

They are taking/took their very functional and accepted username system and are swapping to unique only twitter style @name with a second display name

[@possiblyplum7436]

Charlie needs his own streaming service with staff. The perfect platform.

[@zacdubois8282]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[@Jay-uu5lu]

Fr

[@kimsz]

Retteb si tnetnoc ym esuaceb, pleh rof smaercs DNA seirc elttil rieht raeh ot slrig elttil epar ot evol I!😂👌

[@RLeezyDeezy]

He basically does... He has a warehouse, an esports team, and his friends and few others create content all the time

[@mister420blazeit2]

cost will be plenty, especially for servers

[@legend3454]

It feels like Twitch is acting like it really thinks it's the only streaming service people can use and that they can do whatever they want because there's nowhere else to go. The ironic part is that these changes are giving other streaming services the opportunity to take over.

[@MSSMEG2005]

im better than penguinz0 My vids are better

[@bakashinji]

​@p-__ no my farts are better than your farts which you claim are better than Charlie's farts

[@strilux.2a]

@@bakashinji and my fart is better than yours which u claims is better than the person who claims their fart is better than Charlie's

[@Thiago_Rodrigues30]

I very much prefer youtube because unlike twitch,streams in youtube do not become lost media after 60 days If the streamer does not upload the vod on youtube

[@caueasg]

yeah i just uninstalled twitch. That shit become pure garbage on the past 2 years

[@toufusoup]

Charlie tied up his hair for this special occasion of Twitch taking yet another common L. Truly a professional.

[@somerandolad]

You know he's serious when he's shortened his hair.

[@YozYFGA]

I exposed charlie

[@dflaming1371]

MotherFUCKER I thought he'd cut it

[@Largeamountsofbeans]

Praying that he didn’t cut it

[@h3llosammanGamingRoblox7]

Yea

[@CrossingCrafts]

Frankly, if KZbin decided to actually _try_ at making their streaming section more navigable and fleshed out instead of just occasionally bribing Twitch streamers to switch over, Twitch wouldn't stand a chance. Every year I witness Twitch sink deeper and it perplexes me why KZbin won't invest more time into improving their streaming interface.

[@MSSMEG2005]

I made a ᴠɪᴅᴇᴏ on why being a minor attracted person is ᴠᴀʟɪᴅ ,,,,

[@chinsaw2727]

KZbin knows it’s just a waiting game with Twitch

[@somerandommemer188]

KZbin doesn’t really have to convince people to switch to their livestreams since twitch already does that for them.

[@NoName......]

Yt doesn't need to do shit, they just gotta wait

[@godfrey4461]

KZbin doesn't need to that's why. Despite how much ppl complain, KZbin has become almost a must have. Twitch is niche and will always be. KZbin just has to wait and they will outlive Twitch easily.

[@tiffybl00bs99]

I'm so sick of so many platforms turning to shit, if you do leave twitch I'll follow whatever platforms you move to because you're one of the streamers I enjoy watching for the games, commentary, and the community

[@Not_interestEd-]

KZbin is at least somewhat functional with somewhat recent changes (swearing, clarification on policies, etc.) so at least they're better than Twitch. Marginally.

[@inevespace]

it is a rule in capitalism: then you become big enough you can abuse your customers as you want. Problem is that many people maybe ok with it because they didn't see better way or get used to it. Quality of service/product is not a priority on such scales.

[@Not_interestEd-]

@@inevespace like how you're forced to have auto insurance (storage or not) in the states otherwise you're committing a crime. It's dumb and I want to go somewhere else.

[@kimsz]

Retteb si tnetnoc ym esuaceb, pleh rof smaercs DNA seirc elttil rieht raeh ot slrig elttil epar ot evol I!😂👌

[@josefgonzalez3589]

@@Not_interestEd- wtf are you even saying 😂

[@solodolo9450]

"We do not intend to limit streamers' ability to enter into direct relationships with sponsors" That's literally what you did.

[@qlcrane8019]

Why would you allow your biggest money makers to bypass your service completely? There is a reason only the biggest stream teams are malding about this because they don't give twitch any money by just literally streaming the adds themselves outside of twitch's hands.

[@yellowyoshii3974]

@@qlcrane8019 youre delusional. pls. ppl like you are now CEO of companies and make companies lose money. twitch gives almost no money from subs and donos. they take big part of that cake almost entire cake. third party ads are the only solution for big streamers to live properly.... tell me youre trolling

[@edbuscus360]

Did you even watch the video?

[@erik31k]

@@qlcrane8019This isn't just biggest stream teams, everyone that has sponsors will have to pay a cut to Twitch. This is pure dumb greed by Twitch, wanting more money but pushing it too far as now there's no incentive to stream on Twitch compared to alternatives.

[@qlcrane8019]

@@erik31k Wait till those other sites get as much traffic and streamers as Twitch and you realize how much it costs to run a site with that much traffic. They will add more monetization

[@ALaughingWolf2188]

It takes pure dedication from a company to go to such lengths in order to ruin itself like Twitch does

[@FreeMovies01]

Netflix is trying just as hard as Twitch

[@MSSMEG2005]

I made a ᴠɪᴅᴇᴏ on why being a minor attracted person is ᴠᴀʟɪᴅ

[@homelesshalo4863]

well i mean netflix

[@JadeEvergreen_]

Elon Musk: Allow me to introduce myself

[@dirtyshinobii]

reddit, netflix, and youtube also come to mind

[@fleshgarden_]

Gotta admire Twitch's dedication to pissing everyone off at once, including streamers, advertisers, viewers, and their own damn employees

[@aarondavis8943]

Advertisers will want this and twitch has done it with their blessing. Advertisers can now go directly to twitch, the one stop shot, and twitch can now offer cheaper rates as they get a cut of everything. I'm no expert but I very much doubt these changes were made without consulting advertisers who collectively have the most clout in the social media space.

[@Bacca2100]

@MdoubleHB wtf are you on about?!

[@ashlecturer9142]

​@@Bacca2100this guy has gone insane

[@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe]

​@MdoubleHB Amazing sight, it's a Jehova's witness but in vegan format.

[@jazzygrapes9614]

@MdoubleHB uhm everyone has a short life span champ. Shorter when your dumb no assumptions of course.

[@nharlow_4303]

Never underestimate a corporation's ability to pull out of their ass new ways to force people to give them more money.

[@AceAlbatros]

Twitch took the phrase “don’t bite the hand that feeds you” to a different level. They’re literally massacring the hand and saying “what? I didn’t do anything wrong?”

[@d.godummyy]

They severed it put it in a meat grinder made handburgers ate em 💩em out used the 💩 as fertilizer grew crops and then dropped a tsar bomba on the finished result

[@1Arrowkill1]

Honestly between Reddit and Twitch now, "don't bite the hand that feeds you" is becoming more of a challenge than a warning.

[@josephmoncada7557]

I'm imagining this cartoonish thingamajig that is a series of mallets smashing the crap out of the hand

[@IWearShoes31]

They bit the hand and tried to gaslight people by saying "I'm not biting you, you are just confused"

[@M8gazine]

nomnom yum hand

[@p.r.1308]

Very kind from Twitch to give other streaming platforms a chance

[@bigjalapeno7061]

Yep

[@Ghost_Yoda]

that’s actually very generous of them, now I think they should ban webcams on stream, it will really even the playing field

[@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache]

My sharts are chunkier than Charlie's sharts

[@ghostface0927]

@@Dont_Read_My_Picture okay i didn’t

[@harmoen]

Nah this is bad because KZbin won't improve their platform if they don't have to or if there's no competition.

[@killingtimeitself]

creators cant burn in ad bits any more but twitch can completely hijack your stream to place ads whether you want them to or not. Truly an incredible development.

[@Deadsnake989]

I've never been much of a twitch person over the last 10 years. But a friend of mine started streaming on Twitch. So i've been using the platform more so I can support her, good lord is the ad experience there miserable. I only had 1 blocker installed before Twitch, and it's worked fine making sure I'm not getting invasive ads all over the place. It *DOES NOT* work on Twitch, instead it just makes the site crash every 15 minutes. I've had to hunt down 3 other blocking extensions, all of which break at some point and have to be disabled until they get updated. It's a *miserable* experience and I have been discouraged from looking for new streamers on Twitch.

[@iljaxox526]

I’ve basically stopped using twitch in it’s entirety because unless I’m subbed I’m generally met with 2-6 minutes of ads just entering a stream. So raids etc are just a inconvenience to the viewer now. I join a raid and I get to see the streamer in a tiny box in the corner of my ads. Why sit through those ads when I can just watch any other service and have less to no ads? They’re killing smaller streamers chance of gaining an audience as well so they’re not even lucrative to streamers.

[@ivanalves8506]

@@iljaxox526 "stream may play during your scheduled ads"

[@SyenPie]

@@Deadsnake989 Wait you're talking about smth completely different here... regardless of which streaming platform you're on, why would you even expect/want your ad-blockers to completely block any ads while watching a streamer? That's basically denying your streamer any source of income from you watching, thats being naive and inconsiderate. I have ad blockers just as you, but whenever ads start playing I don't click off and I watch them through or at least leave them on in the background, so I can do my part supporting the streamer I'm watching. What we're complaining about here isn't that we have to watch any ads at all during a stream. It's that Twitch is now trying to completely prohibit SPONSOR ads from playing, and only want their own ads to play.

[@SquaulDuNeant]

@@iljaxox526 The big problme is unlike youtube not only you can't skip the ads but also you don' tknow when there is a ads and worst the adds doesn't fit at all in the stream and cute the stream randomly making you love several minute of content or discussion . there is hundred of way to fix it and give a middle ground but nah they prefer being a shitty big corp like the others.

[@MannyMulattoPlays]

I can see a lot of larger streamers threatening to leave the second the contract is up thanks to this. If they enforce this and start banning people its gg there will be a mass exodus to other platforms.

[@MyVanir]

Actually... what other platforms?

[@MannyMulattoPlays]

@@MyVanir By other platforms I mean KZbin.

[@MyVanir]

@@MannyMulattoPlays Google's no better than Amazon.

[@TNDandTMD]

​@@MyVanir kick

[@obscure.reference]

@@MyVanir google is no better than amazon but twitch is definitely worse than youtube

[@eggmon420]

Twitch basically saying “Sorry that you’re all so stupid.” in response to the backlash is a BOLD move.

[@SomeOrdinaryJanitor]

it's what every corp says when they do some stupid shit

[@solodolo9450]

Wish they were like "we did a thing, and this is why" instead of some vague cringe- "sorry but also you're too dumb to understand" bs. Nothing wrong with wanting more money or whatever.

[@LestifyYT]

@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor lol

[@rainbowoni]

It reminds me of the fine bros “apology” after they attempted to trademark reaction videos

[@WhaddupImTopher]

"Let's see if it pays off"

[@bbvestieofthemagbloodaltar7665]

Genius move by the new CEO to destroy Twitch as fast as possible. He's going for the world record.

[@zawarudo1041]

they have tough competition this quarter

[@megashedinja9700]

Staying true to their roots, I see

[@Jason_S2211]

Their trying to speedrun this shit

[@balltavorb]

Failing upward speedrun

[@evo3s75]

damn, let's see if he beats Budlight's record lmao

[@GPS08]

Twitch: We're sorry it was too confusing and causing you to misunderstand us. Translation: We made the mistake of writing up rules that were too transparent and clear to show our true intentions. We will write up a more convoluted set of rules, filled with legal jargon that blurs the lines enough so that people can't see our true intentions.

[@xPhantomxify]

Twitch should only have people stream as a hobby like it used to. Just people sharing the same hobby which was gaming. No money hungry hyena's chasing partnership or putting up sub goals, sponsorships etc.

[@TheTravelingArcanist]

@@xPhantomxify oh no not this L take again

[@AdriCr4ft]

⁠@@xPhantomxify you mean people trying to make a living on a world which is entirely rigged to make you suffer as hard as possible? Streaming and uploading was the only good thing millennials got. Everything else was taken away and what is currently around is now being changed to not last either. No jobs and a living crisis that doesn’t seem to end.

[@onlinezwang]

But this is always what happens. Uber used to be for car sharing, now its just a taxi service that treats its drivers worse. Airbnb used to be for people to rent out their appartment while their gone. Now its mostly just professional landlords using it and most of the time far worse that a regular hotel. The original purpose behind a app is usually not the most lucrative business model. Thats just capitalism at work.

[@firmak2]

​@@xPhantomxify naah, because if this goes trough that basically will happen and nobody wants that.

[@rmt3589]

Well, this sucks. Fortunately, I'm not big enough to worry about sponsors, so I'll still stream tomorrow. Still scarry.

[@beefusdoesstuff5194]

I can't think of anyone more detached from reality than people in charge of social media

[@deeznutzboii]

I raise you the Kardashians and the Smiths……your move

[@kirinkappa5662]

people who still belive in dieties.

[@AShatteredDragonsSpirit]

@@kirinkappa5662 true, diet culture is harmful and doesnt work. the best solution is eating healthy meals and lots of exercise! if youre gonna try to be a prick, at least spell "deity" right.

[@JamesL0717]

​@@deeznutzboiiFlat Earthers

[@That_Squatch]

Its not just social media, any managerial position is full of these retards with no experience whatsoever suddenly knowing how to make that more efficient (higher ups in my job decided to hire a 9k per dog screening service instead of the my assumption free screening provided by the state police, so already more expensive. Now we have to do things in a completely different way that is not half as efficient as what we did before. Imagine finishing work at 330 and with the change its now done at the earliest by 430)

[@ExoDarko]

These corporations are going to learn soon that they aren't nearly as fail proof as they think they are, praying on their downfall.

[@Dragoonsoul7878]

Will they? What will change if everyone who cares seems to be in the extreme minority.

[@kiloo6493]

​​@@Dragoonsoul7878 What will change if all the people who care appear to be in the extreme majority???🤔🤔 A LOT or they either keep what's working the same🤓

[@MMA_spects]

just get a job lmao

[@charlesbrown4483]

@@Dragoonsoul7878 They do all the time. Twitch isn’t backed by any bureaucratic butt buddies, like the banks and airlines are for example. “Too big to fail” just means corporations that are in with the government, they work hand in hand to get rich off of the tax paying consumers. They can’t fail because the government will always bail them out with our tax dollars. That isn’t the case with twitch. And Amazon doesn’t give the first shit about twitch either, the second twitch’s revenue drops below a particular percentage, Amazon will drop them like a rock

[@flarethefolf78]

unfortunately, nothing will happen, Amazon is one of the most wealthiest corporation, if Twitch die, they can shut it down with little damage to the suits, only people affected are the employees, streamers, viewers, sponsors, basically, anyone who isn't invited to Bezo's yacht

[@montanabrown660]

I genuinely can't imagine how Twitch is this out of touch with its user base. There has to have been thousands of videos with millions of views talking about how top streamers are leaving and all of these policies are garbage yet they still refuse to change course at all. They will be shutting down with no revenue and simply won't know why. Truly a ship with no captain.

[@adaenis]

They aren't out of touch, I don't think. They understand what this will do. They're just trying to call everyone's bluff and don't think they'll leave. And if they leave, they're convinced that all the fans will stay.

[@117MasterSpartan]

Let them cook bro 💀

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

@@adaenis Well, then they ARE out of touch, because they clearly have no capacity for understanding that big streamers are already leaving, or contemplating leaving, and that many of them already have their feet deep into other platforms. Charlie will have absolutely no problem migrating to KZbin, he uploads KZbin videos twice a day, gets millions of views every week, and has a firmly established presence on this platform. If he can dodge KZbin's bullshit, and if the money's good, he will not skip a beat transitioning to KZbin. He already has a VOD channel, all he needs is a new layout, and he's good to go. I think if Twitch goes ahead with enforcing this decision, they will be sorely disappointed by how off the mark they are on this.

[@Topgorilla_]

They’re preparing for a dystopian future. Making changes now. It will be considered normal in 15 years.

[@dingerling9017]

The constant ads, sponsorships and the types of streamers those things appeal to are what ruined it in the first place.

[@CitizenTechTalk]

I'm a Twitch affiliate as well and I've noticed myself the mass exodus of viewers from the platform as well. This is truly the death of the platform for ALL of us regardless of what you're talking about anyway. Is it time to jump ship and go to KICK now!?

[@jaxryz_380]

honestly? I say go for it. Do a few more twitch streams, communicate to your following that you're moving platforms, and hopefully have as much of your community as possible travel with you

[@CitizenTechTalk]

@@jaxryz_380 that's certainly food for thought, thank you.

[@MrGamelover23]

​​​@@CitizenTechTalk what about KZbin? In fact, you should multistream to as many platforms as possible, even platforms you wouldn't think your target demographic would be on. I'll give you a perfect example of this so you'll see why it's worth it: You've probably heard of the game Genshin Impact. Anyone were familiar with that game has also probably heard of the game they made after that called star rail. Now, these are very popular games with a lot of young people playing them, and one particular meme from Star rail was one of the characters Japanese attack voice lines "KURU KURU!" Somebody took those adorable voice lines (which were already a meme because of how freaking cute they were) and vocoded it over the Super Mario world ending theme, specifically the part that you hear in the "pet the X" memes. That video currently has 2.2 million views on KZbin. Guess where the video came from? Facebook. That's right, FACEBOOK spawned a viral meme for a popular gocha game. If you actually care about growing your audience, stream everywhere at once, KZbin, TikTok, kick, and yes, even Facebook.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

The worst part is that Twitch’s response was to try and gaslight the community That’s utterly disgusting

[@envy7455]

How did they do that?

[@xandelta5306]

@@envy7455 they said on twitter that people misunderstood the changes, despite them literally drawing images of whats not allowed. Also mentioned that they will rewrite it again to make us understand better lol

[@jinnipers.3931]

@@xandelta5306 oh shit they’re gonna redraw the pictures lmao, hopefully it’ll be in MSPaint so my peon brain can understand

[@choomahbungole5964]

Lmao you would be surprised how often this happens then.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

@@choomahbungole5964 you’d be surprised by how much I pay attention I’m well aware it is a common practice. That doesn’t make it any less scummy though

[@InSaNiTyKatFiLmS]

If KZbin took this opportunity to refine its streaming, it could destroy twitch

[@flameshana9]

And yet KZbin won't. They know competition is bad for both parties. It's better to sit back, do nothing, and let people get used to having less and less.

[@indigomarine91]

It'll be outside KZbin culture, Google would rather buy a platform like twitch

[@lapetusX]

Difference between Twitch and KZbin is Twitch isn't a commercial partner with governmental mass surveillance

[@bluedrakken]

people forget youtube butchered their own content creators its 2 side of the same coin

[@InformerMaz]

@@bluedrakken At least KZbin screws everyone equally. Twitch plays favorites and wants to force people to earn money their way or the highway (until it’s no longer profitable to do so lol)

[@emberdragon4248]

Twitch: You now have to play ads to be a profitable streamer Also Twitch: You can no longer play ads

[@ShiningDarknes]

Yeah that is the actual big oof.

[@CyaLator]

im guessing that it's because video ads goes into twitch's pocket but banners ads and such doesn't.

[@KhanMann66]

*insert Jackie Chan meme*

[@Xxmjc3oh3xX]

Charlie!❤‍🩹You should make some type of membership to Moist Moguls! A monthly subscription, with different tiers for the fans like myself! Tiers could in-clue: merch sent to ur house when new stuff drops, shipped before its announced. Could include like Patreon like additions. Etc. Think that would be a great way to save the hits you might take from twitch! ♥♥♥

[@iller3]

the tiddy streamers don't seem to have the same requirements? ...do you think that's merely a coincidence?

[@harukaunderscore6704]

They fr said “If we aren’t making money, no ones making money” 💀

[@floridaman735]

For a second I thought Charlie cut his hair and I almost started freaking out. Never ever cut your hair Charlie, it will be the downfall to our society.

[@MSSMEG2005]

I made a ᴠɪᴅᴇᴏ on why being a minor attracted person is ᴠᴀʟɪᴅ ,,,,

[@JackSpasojevich]

That's why i went to the comments i can't believe how hard it hit me before i realized

[@skyhunter2816]

No.

[@Pharoax]

Fr bro his hair is like the second thing we like about him

[@TheCamSays]

It’s now a rare Charlie variant.

[@maibobbie]

Twitch is the embodiment of:"If it aint broken,break it."

[@Gilicus18793420blazingfury]

Next to Twitch is Discord.

[@prismatica8416]

Then only fix it slightly and hope they don't notice it's still worse!!!

[@Temmoie]

@@Gilicus18793420blazingfury Wdym next, Discord is before Twitch, look at how many questionable servers still haven't got taken down.

[@vikggx]

Kinda like Spotify, youtube, instagram etc. Almost a pattern here...

[@ThatsKami16]

​@@Temmoiejust ignore them.

[@Alteronx]

They literally destroyed themselves and got greedy DURING a time where their competition rose. What a genius move

[@MSSMEG2005]

I made a ᴠɪᴅᴇᴏ on why being a minor attracted person is ᴠᴀʟɪᴅ ,,,,

[@pepi560]

Link me some competition i wanna rid myself of twitch

[@Eivissabelle]

@@pepi560 you're already here

[@noahmoss]

@@Eivissabelle Yesirr

[@cryezen]

@@pepi560 youtubes ok but could be better, kick idk and i dont know if anyone uses rumble

[@spacecrash]

I remember when KZbin went through policy hell in 2015-17 with demonitization and almost entirely banning swearing and people started moving to twitch once it started advertising it’s less strictness and now it’s the opposite twitch is being money hungry and streamers are moving to KZbin for near risk free streaming

[@warrenchu5752]

Both suck. Without the youtube skip advert trick, I wouldnt be here either. Kick is winning

[@hyrumgreen2003]

Twitch and Netflix both seem to be masters at making bad decisions

[@jeggg1]

Also EA and blizzard

[@woehr6]

So are marvel Activision

[@yaB0i_Hawkx]

Nowadays disney also joins tbis trend

[@mumbullz3480]

it's what happens when a name gets big and thinks it has no alternatives

[@blackpowderenergy]

you forgot budlight

[@desi9558]

I think the craziest part about this is that it doesn’t necessarily matter if they push this through or not - big creators that have their own ties to brands and their own networking are likely already planning exit strategy just because they even suggested this idea at all

[@noahblevins9569]

As they should. The writing is on the wall regardless what goes through in the next few weeks.

[@_eeveeon_]

I know Asmongold is most likely going to switch to a different Streaming Service and Katliente is pretty pissed about the whole thing. I'm sure there are plenty more who feel the same way... Best part is Affiliates will have to pay 25$ to leave Twitch xD

[@wykydytron]

And they gonna switch to what? Twitch and yt are only platform with any real audience and YT is going same way if not worst as YT is unwatchable without Adblock.

[@Zavalas_SMT]

​@@wykydytron lol i dont have many issues with watching youtube and i havent used an ad blocker in years

[@scoobydoo2587]

@@Zavalas_SMT Thats because youre used to it now. In 2014 you had like one 30 second ad playing before a 3 hour long video and you could still skip that ad after 5 seconds or so. Now you sometimes have to watch ads longer than the actual videos youre watching. Thats because KZbin really wants you to buy Premium. Better to just use adblock. Fuck em. Twitch ads are arguably worse, though, that shit is getting close to Free-Tv ad breaks already, its only a matter of time

[@brendolbreadwar2671]

It is genuinely insane to me how companies think tightening the leash for extra money is ever a good idea, these are the people who pay your bills. They would be absolutely nothing without their creators, yet they treat them like they are lucky to even go live. They should be on their knees, begging for advice, yet they are too diluted to ever ask for help.

[@tysonvienneau1830]

As we see, this is the result of tightening the leash a bit too much, as the head popped off and now they are losing their bloodline of streamers and their sponsors

[@phelan8385]

Corporate dummies think they can treat streamers the same as a regular wage slave.

[@CorruptTypes]

​@@EUCvibes kick and rumble exist

[@ultimaxkom8728]

@@EUCvibes You say that as if KZbin and other platforms doesn't exist.

[@jabrokneetoeknee6448]

Oh noooooo! Streamers might make a little less free money playing games all day😫 Truly tragic

[@gazingsky7987]

We lost mr cow.

[@theotherjared9824]

Company: "we will do this for this reason." Company 1 hour later: "Everyone misinterpreted our admittedly unclear message."

[@gargamel3393]

Yeah, it makes normal people wonder about why some other people are getting paid more than them, ya know? Lol

[@youztuber5000]

Gaslighting is in fashion.

[@VegaNorth]

Gaslighting and shitty practice of contract language. If they really had a good idea, they should have used broader language. Twitch staff = idiots.

[@fancee5471]

Reminds me of that GTA "I want to apologise" Meme

[@wardenali523]

Less underserved money for twich streamer maybe they'll go and get real jobs :)) whats there to hate

[@DrunkTalk]

Always strange when a corporation completely doesn't understand the industry in which they operate.

[@vgaportauthority9932]

They don't need to. Literally no incentive for them to learn anything other than ways to exploit the workforce and extract wealth. Welcome to capitalism. CORPORATIONS DO NOT CARE ABOUT US and we as humans are too submissive and pathetic to ever stand up for ourselves with anything other than whining on the internet. Twitch is just laughing its ass off at all the empty threats from people who think streamers are gonna finally up and leave. If they leave for youtube, they take a straight 75%++ cut to their profits. Half as many people watching league right now, and youtube viewers don't tip. The financial incentive to stay on Twitch even if Bezos is pounding the streamers in the ass is ENORMOUS. KZbin is not a real alternative, and neither are any of the other tiny services trying to take Twitch's place.

[@lojzalojzovic9519]

always strange when people complain about changes thats makes their experience better ....

[@egghaverr]

⁠​⁠@@lojzalojzovic9519 how so

[@tomekk.1889]

​@@lojzalojzovic9519 did you perchance drink plutonium mixed with stupid juice?

[@bonjouritsready]

@@lojzalojzovic9519 seeing corporate shills in the wild is always so interesting

[@2Trundle]

I swear, all modern companies are actively competing with each other to be the worst.

[@chiphand]

Business compete concept been around long eras they even like rivalry sabotage companies. Modern business compete still a thing

[@Chaoticchips]

They’re going for EA crown

[@kitkakitteh]

They’re competing to suck the most money from both streamers and consumers. And it’s working.

[@lafeil]

Agree

[@Qwertworks]

Line must go up 🤡

[@amel888]

I've rarely ever watched Twitch, but I have definitely noticed lots of youtubers I watch starting to stream on youtube and fully abandoning Twitch for youtube

[@blarggimblies2008]

its crazy to see a company try this hard to fail

[@Jacob-ml5bp]

reactionary fool

[@billytringuyen1]

blind by greed

[@sinnerthesinful552]

@@billytringuyen1 Not really, this isn't getting them anything, in fact it will cost them a lot, so not really greed, but stupidity

[@billytringuyen1]

@@sinnerthesinful552 ya i know it stupid, but if they streamer agree to it, Twitch gonna make way more money from ads

[@mismisimognomo101]

Have u seen Blizzard? 🌝

[@jbizzle6929]

I love how every company and game studio are getting so bold in their greediness that it backfires, and results in them kneecapping themselves. Every. Single. Time.

[@whichfilmisit]

*Can he swear* _in his_ -utube video?-

[@Yasha_U]

they're testing things by "lets just pass this and see if it backfires and we'll dial it back until it fits" method and it has worked every single time

[@harpxwx]

yeah what the fuck has been happening in the last 5 years. has every company CEO had a recent blow to the fucking head? it seems like theyre just making the most retarded decisions

[@PsiRedEye22]

This one is especially wild because it's exactly the OPPOSITE kind of stupid that every other company is doing. Twitch is forcing you to not do ads, and everywhere else is forcing you to see as many giant ads as possible.

[@prismatica8416]

So twitch will force us to watch 6 non skippable ads and cut everyones pay, but if a creator gets a sponsor ad read thats the boogie man? Twitch will literally pimp out every single creator unless they don't get a slice of their pie I guess, and if thats the case their response is to ban the pie.

[@evanblake5252]

This really is one of those "I expected nothing, and I'm still disappointed in you" scenarios. Depressing how often those have been happening.

[@MrKrickitt1]

3 replies, and all of them are bots. Ouch.

[@evanblake5252]

@@MrKrickitt1 Yep. This site's a shithole.

[@Xxmjc3oh3xX]

Charlie!❤‍🩹You should make some type of membership to Moist Moguls! A monthly subscription, with different tiers for the fans like myself! Tiers could in-clue: merch sent to ur house when new stuff drops, shipped before its announced. Could include like Patreon like additions. Etc. Think that would be a great way to save the hits you might take from twitch! ♥♥♥

[@beargaming8042]

"Jun 7, 2023 - Twitch says it's "immediately" removing guidelines it announced yesterday that would have limited sponsored ads in streams." - several sites covering the changes Phew.

[@austinwilwayco]

Honestly this is YT's biggest opportunity to convince creators to come stream here

[@ClayBenTreeceJr.]

Oh I so agree with that statement

[@kman9884]

Why would you go from Twitch to YT where you’d be banned/demonetized for saying Cunt?

[@sgtbaker81]

Rumble?

[@GingerSnapper]

yeah I'm half tempted to do just that.

[@djskinnypeninsula]

@@sgtbaker81 Rumble needs a lot of work lmao

[@CataclysmicBlue]

Twitch really saw all of the bad choices that youtube gets bashed for and took that as a challenge

[@Vaultboythefightingmachine]

The fuck are you looking at?

[@MicTheOni]

The goofy corporate calarts is the cherry on top and along with kicking creators left and right it's a complete indication this decision was made by the type of people you would expect.

[@Why_Do_It_Do]

Damn, rest in peace twitch, i didnt know them personally but hope their family can get past this

[@purpleturtles3615]

Amen 🙏

[@pureprydz8319]

Prayers to the family 🙏🏻

[@OffscreenkillVA]

Underrated

[@ICREAMTOHANDTIE]

fly high 🕊️🕊️

[@fatguy4137]

Nah Dude Twitch, had a horrid personality.

[@josi_sventure1]

this is what happens when corps believe they're too big to lose and fade away, until exactly that happens

[@TheOneGreat]

It's always nice to see a big company thinking they are above it all only to crumble and die by their hubris.

[@draunt7]

This is why we can't tolerate "too big too fail"

[@se7ente3n]

anhieser-busch

[@drakemagnus9846]

Wizards of the Coast OGL moment

[@zara6854]

Companies are pretty much fueled by greed.

[@formaleggplant]

its like apple with their new mixed reality garbage

[@thefallenmyst]

Stuff like this is why I've made a hobby out of laughing at companies who think they're too big to fail, and then make decisions that cause them to fail.

[@TheHatManCole]

I do this with disney all the time!

[@thefallenmyst]

@@TheHatManCole Problem is Disney actually is too big to fail. Not sure the same is true of Twitch.

[@nashidaperv2351]

​@@thefallenmyst Disney has way too much going for it. Twitch is just a streaming service, an good one. But it has so much competition, IE youtube, Kick and Rumble.

[@OmarTFL]

​@@nashidaperv2351 but twitch is backed by Amazon, which is absolutely too big to fail

[@nashidaperv2351]

@@OmarTFL yes but twitch is still a business that has to provide value to Amazon. They can still cut them off or even buy twitch out and turn it into a Amazon game streaming service.

[@FoxoticTV]

Twitch even made Charlie pull his hair back because it took up more than 3% of the screen. They've gone too far

[@snowfoxxie]

Lol hahahaha

[@vosoryan]

I thought he got a haircut at first and I was genuinely sad

[@monikorasort]

@@vosoryan bro same

[@nostalgiaof98]

It's just Keanu Reeves

[@Cheroobian]

@@vosoryan If we worry about people’s hair then that’s kinda… eh.

[@YoavSilver]

Whoever wrote this poor 'apology' tweet is clearly a professional youtuber

[@jeez5735]

Twitch has made a severe and continuous lapse in its judgement

[@mikeehermantraut]

​@@jeez5735HAHAHAHAH

[@JohnSmith-xv1tp]

Seen so many corporate fake apologies use "Missed the mark". It's really the new corporate buzz phrase for "We pissed off everyone, but we don't care, and we don't want to acknowledge any real wrongdoing."

[@shinobuoshino5066]

@@JohnSmith-xv1tp "missed the mark" means they failed to confuse you hard enough. Good thing the apology itself still confuses people so somehow they continue using twitch despite it being shit for nearly a decade now.

[@satan3959]

To be honest, KZbin might be cringe at times, but I think it's safer to stream here than on Twitch with all their shitty rules. At least you can say "blind gameplay" on YT. LOL

[@AviKoko]

I can't exaggerate when I say corporate greed is ruining every aspect of our waking existence. Nice job continuing the pattern, Twitch.

[@herrikudo]

​@@p-__finally a bot with a sense of humor

[@kozukizaki8675]

Lol no, KZbin is way bigger and streaming is fine there.

[@StopItGarrison]

Amazon*

[@Cosmik60]

​@@p-__ truly a bot of all time

[@nateo200]

No you can't in fact I think it is an understatement.

[@gabe1034]

Big companies ability to ruin their own platforms never ceases to amaze me

[@freemoney9041]

its crazy

[@ashkebora7262]

Don't forget: These people decide the pay grades, and they think they deserve hundreds of times more than normies.

[@thepandaroux9749]

KZbin be like:

[@melz4766]

Tumblr and twitter too its insane how they manage to tank their companies value

[@BojangIes515]

fr they keep digging their own grave

[@sampletext1633]

I'm kinda tired of seeing ads on KZbin despite having KZbin Premium. This is a double-edged sword. The only solution is how the advertising sponsors change their guidelines. I don't want my fav creators going broke and I also don't want to get ads despite paying my hard-earned money for Premium. That's just my perspective

[@Taker6532]

I'm honestly baffled at how all these big platforms are making these idiotic decisions lately. It's like the higher ups at these various companies met up one day and started huffing lead paint.

[@upscale9109]

marry & Jane aswell

[@willchurch8376]

They're counting on the negative response being disjointed rather than organized. It's just the platform version of cutting shifts and benefits and expecting the wage slaves to pick up the extra slack for no extra pay.

[@ali32bit42]

the answer is pretty simple. those tech companies, including youtube are Not profitable in the first place and may loose far more money then they make. they basically survive on investment money. so they have to make crappy changes or promote politics to make money somehow.

[@sew_gal7340]

Its because corporations have ideology and that ideology is what pushes these decisions

[@therebelsheep5761]

I like to imagine the one guy walked in the meeting room and was like GUYS WHAT IF WE DID JUST ALL THE BAD IDEAS WEVE EVER HAD and then people just agreed and rolled with it

[@rossmanngroup]

This is informative, and unfortunate. I deleted my account one year ago. I missed out on tens of thousands of dollars as a result, but it was worth it to give the middle finger based on how badly they were treating loyal creators that spent a decade on the platform at the time. This feels validating, and hopefully more people do the same. I stand with destiny!

[@ScarIsBad]

That seems like the best thing to do anyway

[@pitcherrendon]

Doesn’t even surprise me from twitch

[@Coziest777]

They'll leave so fast it'll make their fans spin

[@CXLVII]

Louis Rossman?!

[@chillinjesus1013]

EYYY ITS LOUIS ROSSMAN! Haha I love it when I see KZbinrs comment on other KZbinrs videos.

[@maxvelocity07]

This is happening at the same time as Reddit cracking down on third party clients. Just plain old corporate greed ruining these platforms. Don't know if an alternative will become available.

[@0verWay]

The alternatives are already available. They've been for years. But people will still stay on Twitch, Reddit etc. because that's where the money and force of habit stays. People will stay on those sites even if those corporations send people to their house to break their kneecaps.

[@MrRhoidRage]

THETA

[@MINIMAN10000]

@@0verWay The reality is we use Reddit because it is where the users are. Going anywhere else, you will not find the userbase. Bill gates is not going to do an ask me anything on some random website, the reality is that the users of Reddit are the goldmine that we go there for.

[@meia1855]

Not really. People who use 3rd party apps are in the minority. The problem is reddit is removing freedom to customize(which alot of people dont care about). And the possibility of more ads(imo what the majority is concerned about). Honestly i've tried other 3rd party apps and reddit is just easier to use. Ads are easy to scroll past and ignore anyway(unlike on youtube and other platforms). Twitch changes is much worse because it changes the whole way how streamers monetize. The most affected from the new rules are the biggest streamers, and their big fanbases aren't happy about it too.

[@dumdum5520]

Oh itll be available once their stocks plummet and they start regretting drinking dumb fuq juice

[@shiontakanashi]

I seriously thought he cut his hair for a day and got so scared, now watching this video again I'm so relieved.

[@TyshaggyGaming]

Even if he did, Charlies power is unmatched and would cause his hair to grow back the next day

[@shiontakanashi]

@@TyshaggyGaming that's pretty true

[@blakelay]

It's crazy to think that Twitch used to be THE streaming giant but ever since other platforms have started really competing with them, twitch is just shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.

[@Ray-tx2ls]

Amazon bought it. Monopolies always suck.

[@jeancarvalho3930]

Like Netflix.

[@halal.pikmin]

yeah another thing is that charlie should sue his barber

[@trequor]

Always tickles my pickle to be reminded that Twitch is worse than KZbin. It's baffling how low the bar is

[@piranhapout]

That's Amazon for you. Look at what they did to LOTR.

[@bdablader95]

It's crazy how nearly 20 years later, KZbin is still the best platform for content creators despite all the terrible changes they make. It's even crazier how Amazon is so good at taking a successful business models and absolutely destroy it.

[@firesideshats]

Thats because there using a big box shipment manitalty in a sector of the technology that doesn't fit it.

[@ullebor]

C-suites are not the brightest, failing upwards.

[@ishabooo]

same problem tho: shit chat/stream UI. It's mostly meant for vods

[@Levyathyn]

KZbin has only been allowed to stay competitive, despite diving headfirst into the shittiest decisions possible, because every rival that pops up is trying to speedrun those same bad decisions. These companies are so busy jerking themselves off over who can be the worst that somehow none of them actually take the lead for too long.

[@wet0wl]

As stupid as some of KZbin’s changes have been, most of them have been pretty small compared to other apps just destroying themselves, and I respect that.

[@TehWhiteTiger]

Twitch is like a restaurant owner that underpays their empoyees and tells them to make it up with tips but then takes 90% of the tips too.

[@Shafiksz]

Sounds like that one restaurant from kitchen nightmares

[@randomdude189]

It’s dumb that people get paid to play video games in the first place

[@itoo4884]

​@@randomdude189 found the gen X argument

[@elongated_musket6353]

​@@randomdude189 You sound mad that you can't get payed for doing the things you like.

[@GiesbertsN]

@@randomdude189There are people that kick a ball everyday and get paid more in 1 week than a normal human being earns in their entire life. And u complain that people get paid for playing videogames? Damn

[@unchartedfire]

Unfortunately very similar to the Wizards disaster about the OGL. Hopefully the community can stand up once again.

[@WeezyTF2]

Another AWFUL change they slipped under the rug was the ability to multi-stream for non partners/affiliates. If you want to stream on twitch in ANY capacity, you are bounded to that site and that site only. KZbin, Kick and Rumble do not have this policy, so now aspiring streamers have to choose between simultaneously streaming on 3 different platforms all on the upswing, or shackle themselves to Twitch as the boat hits iceberg after iceberg. The optimal career move is becoming more and more obvious and time goes on…

[@MSSMEG2005]

im better than penguinz0

[@cheztiful9644]

bro who are u and why r u verified 😭

[@llllIIllIIlll]

​​@@cheztiful9644 dude has 100k subs and gets atleast 200k or more views in most vids, why wouldn't he be verified

[@wendyokoopa7048]

If you stream or choose to stream on kick be warned the site is full of degenerates and people who gaslight. Apparently an acquaintance of mine did a video wherein she discovered that kick was being run by perverts.

[@PoeticPhrogg]

bro a bot copy pasted your comment, they act quick smh

[@Liquid_Mike]

Its amazing how these major companies make decisions that only EVER make it worse for the user/creators. Its so extreme its almost suspicious

[@Vaultboythefightingmachine]

The fuck are you looking at?

[@bickyboo7789]

Yeah, wtf is up with that? Power tripping?

[@verinonrenthar9176]

You mean capitalism? Yeah, that's what you can thank for shit like this.

[@jonontube]

ESG is a helluva drug

[@Bennytwoshitz]

It’s not a conspiracy it’s called short term profit motive

[@TheGuardianssorrow]

I love how Twitches response is “sorry we said it wrong” but they made a picture book to show exactly what’s happening and what they meant. 😂

[@MSSMEG2005]

l m@de video about hrting my dog

[@IOhWhy]

@@MSSMEG2005 make a video of you applying for a job

[@originaljoke4502]

@@MSSMEG2005 make a video of you donating to charity

[@kosmonautofficial296]

lolol

[@BojangIes515]

@@MSSMEG2005 make a video of you talking to your dad. (oh wait...)

[@SillyKhoons]

Just coming back to see if twitch is dead. Oh its not ok then

[@Shuffles_Art]

The twitch response gives me the same energy as the Fine bro’s “apologising” for trying to copyright the term “react” and blaming the audience for not understanding what they mean

[@Wopedomer]

@SheepManYFGA bruh shut the hell up

[@what.5693]

Spot on comparison, i can’t believe they thought that would smooth things over

[@killingtime00]

If corporations did absolutely nothing, they would be thriving

[@thefierycharmeleon164]

Ironic how you mention that because Value does exactly that and well, look at them haha

[@gameoverzi]

If you're not making every cent possible you're losing money, and that's just the way they think it works

[@SnakeOfBacon]

The Luigi strategy has merit.

[@unuks9731]

​@@thefierycharmeleon164 valve is also more in tune with their fanbase so that also really helps

[@DarkDyllon]

@@thefierycharmeleon164 Twitch could literally fire 85% of their workforce, let only people who fix issues like streaming not working to chat not working work there and the company would be literally printing money. Twitch all the time is crying they're not profitable, if they weren't they were out of business 10 years ago, not just now, like when they went hardcore on ads, KZbin doesn't do that (i've heard they did, but still haven't see what Charley was talking about, and i'm 100% sure there will be a work around) then the 70/30 split which streamers had to work hard for, now became 50/50, because "We'Re NoT pRoFiTaBlE"

[@liliththefirehawk796]

God I’m so sick of greedy corporations. This has to stop.

[@trillcollins7847]

the gov LOVES greedy corporations bc thats who pays them

[@pauljerome01]

Stop using it

[@knowledgeanddefense1054]

It's called socialism (which kills less than capitalism does in just 5 years, look it up)

[@lazer2414]

I agree.

[@jordonp3149]

@@pauljerome01 good point

[@PopADoseYo]

For Streamers Twitch is Dead. For us, more specifically me. Twitch Died in 2015. I can only be so thankful that I found a decent streamer the year after.

[@TimeBucks]

I'm not surprised that this happened

[@Sachinrailfane]

👍

[@ER-fi8jh]

There's an extraterrestrial disclosure conference in Washington DC this Monday. Look into it 😊

[@kishanpatel5476]

👍👍

[@LuchiaSangma-rd1ok]

👍

[@Aseal223]

Good

[@Nick12823]

This is actually a big brain move because competition can’t kill Twitch if they do it themselves.

[@AlexanderBrown77]

🎁 salvation is a free gift of God. Ephesians 2 KJV 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 1 Corinthians 15 kJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Romans 3 kJV 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; ♥️know♥️ 1 John 5 kJV 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

[@Bodywashconditonershampoo]

@@AlexanderBrown77 aight

[@amekwee]

Twitch trying not to make an insanely horrible PR decision: challenge level impossible

[@DavidSmolej]

The new supreme boss is unlocked.

[@arcaderdude]

Doesn't youtube take less cuts when it comes to donations and stuff

[@noahmclay7073]

Yet streamers all stay until they decided to touch their money. The streamers seem greedier than twitch imo

[@cfogmoon]

What's your pfp from? It's caught my eye

[@WadieGamer]

PR meaning

[@LiamTolentino]

I was more freaked out by the thumbnail than by the title because I thought Charlie had cut his hair

[@Triple7-300]

Twitch’s ability to self-destruct is truly inspiring.

[@mackback319]

i piss clearer than charlie

[@mackback319]

@@p-__ I GOT TO THE COMMENT BEFORE YOJ DID SKILL ISSUE

[@veeseir]

everyones* ability

[@zenvio]

@@p-__ * sniffs *

[@SyIis]

​@mackback319 you know bots can't hear you, right? They have alerts off 😂

[@nathansmith8502]

Some of Jerma's most amazing events were like completely dependent on 'burned in" ads, audio plugs for products, or skits dedicated to the brands making those things possible. Very sad such creativity cannot happen on Twitch with the new policy.

[@strawberilo]

He has an ENTIRE series of JUST watching ads (infomercials) and it's one of my favorites

[@FeenieVonKarma]

​@@strawberilo God you're right. I'm glad he's already done plenty of it, but sad that his favoured platform is going to limit what he can do with it.

[@godslittlestidiot2984]

​@@FeenieVonKarma he was who I thought of instantly! How will we get another baseball or dollhouse 😢 guess on another platform

[@bradenhenry4867]

This situation is Very upsetting

[@ShadowNexis23]

I've heard 'twitch is dead' so many times over the last couple of years, but this is the first time I thought, 'damn, I know plenty of creators that this will adversely effect'.

[@Johnnyupside]

Isn't that like the last half a decade for the platform

[@vgaportauthority9932]

They'd be far more adversely affected if they left the platform.. Because doing that means you lose 80% of your viewers in the short term, and most won't come back. They have to rebuild a whole audience on KZbin, and the youtube audience is older and less emotionally clingy than the Twitch audience. Hardcore parasocial relationships are very profitable, and it's harder to get that going on youtube than on Twitch because there just aren't enough 13-18 year olds up in here. On youtube you're going to have to rely on whales, because there's not much of a tipping culture here. Twitch knows this, and they know that those who hop over to KZbin will earn WAY LESS than if they just hunker down and stay on Twitch. Welcome to exploitation. Literally what capitalism does. This rebelling against Twitch will do literally nothing, cause Twitch knows there's no alternative. Rumble is for nazis and incels. KZbin is a voluntary 90% cut to profits. Twitch is laughing its ass off at all these twitchers pretending they have somewhere to go. We will only solve stuff like this if we stop trying to defeat it one rule-change at a time... It's a systemic issue, not one of a few guys making bad decisions. They need to maintain growth, the only way to do that in a saturated market is to exploit harder, so that's what they do. This is how capitalism rots everything. Stock owners leave the second there's no more growth to find in a business. Twitch has to do this, because they need to grow or die... Capitalism.. Literally how it works. Investors don't keep their money in a dying platform. Twitch is trying to convince investors that there will be profits for them in the future by screwing over their workforce (streamers). Exactly how all the firings every year works. Investors want to see drastic measures being taken, that means the platform owner is willing to take steps. These are the steps they're taking to appease the investors... That's how it be.

[@CYR3K]

@@vgaportauthority9932 That’s the longest chat that’s not a copypasta that i’ve ever seen

[@syedhassanali5837]

@@vgaportauthority9932 ok but think about it for a second most of the popular streamers already have a good following on youtube example(pokimane, xqc, otk and mizkif) if they leave twitch it wont effect them as much as u think on the other hand twitch will take a huge blow cuz these streamers make them most money. Also a few popular streamers already switched to KZbin because they saw it coming and u know how most of their comments reacted they said: "Now i wont have to switch platform to watch and can stay on KZbin now lol" Also KZbin has also been trying to pull streamers to their platform. yeah i am confused as to why KZbin hasn't updated their streamers services. Because alot of popular streamers already switched to streaming on KZbin months ago. It almost feels like twitch has some connection thats making KZbin not update streamer service

[@salvatoresodaro941]

KZbin's userbase isn't mostly comprised of lonely mark children who are willing to spend their parents/part-time job income on a guy who they watch play video games. "Content creators" who feel entitled to constant flows of income for doing nothing need to suddenly come up with a way of actually being valuable in their own right.

[@KuroeZucredl]

Over the last day or two the group I am with has noticed that Twitch has silently made 6 different revisions in their ToS without publicly notifying folks each with varying adjustments as if they cannot decide on what they want to do. My friend legitimately went to have something for lunch and not even after that short amount of time did he press f5 to reload and they changed stuff in it again from what he's been keeping up with.

[@purplegoopguy]

What are the changes specifically?

[@KuroeZucredl]

@@purplegoopguy I wish I could tell you but I have only what ive written on here to go with from what my friend told me. Take this with a grain of salt if you'd like, you are entitled to your own opinion and conclusions.

[@JulianLetard]

The death of entertainment starts when corporations get involved. I miss the days when streaming and internet videos were starting out. It was a very wholesome time.

[@KikonSketches]

Facts, no greedy corrupt crap from companies

[@nathanchapin8445]

I mean your right but then there’s shock videos

[@sceneshootergirl88]

@@nathanchapin8445those were even better. They made sure that corporations couldn’t get involved with the internet.

[@MrJonboy]

100% agree, It was inevitable unfortunatley, as soon as money is to be made then big corps will roll on through, the days of sweaty fighting game tournaments filmed with one camera looking at the screen with a bunch of nerds shouting and cheering are gone, the days of GDQ being a passion project are gone, games being released in their full and final form with no cash shops are gone, it goes on and on, i think even the next new thing that returns to it's roots will eventually fall because it will grow too big and the cycle begins anew.

[@foreignuser_]

Corporations created entertainment and they own it. You must be young.

[@pragmaticpundit7703]

Twitch - We 'mispoke', even though we had an artist make all this art directly supporting literally everything we said.

[@audiovisualcringe]

seems like all the plutonium and neurotoxin leaked through the air vents into the artist’s studio as well

[@no-lifenoah7861]

you think an _artist_ made those images?

[@pocketabyss3990]

Whooo Charlie dropping yet another “Twitch is dead” video only for twitch to keep kicking

[@nonbasicz]

Because they backpedaled on the policy update they aren't doing it anymore that's why they are still alive. If you really think hundreds and thousands of streamers wouldn't leave as soon as they could your a spastic

[@sleepysaffron]

We really said "well at least they can't hit sponsorships" and twitch just took that as a challenge

[@Blueline3691]

This is a lil click-baity. It's bad FOR SURE but I thought it was actually platform killing with he removal of twitch primes.

[@chinghamburger2200]

@@Blueline3691 It will kill the platform. This is an absolutely stupid decision.

[@kao9349]

@@Blueline3691 this will lol

[@herrikudo]

​@@Blueline3691dude twitch has been on lifesupport for years. This is not helping

[@Hazemake]

​@Blueline watch the whole video bro.

[@nancyjones6780]

Charlie, I'm a 59 year old woman and a lot of the time i have only peripheral knowledge of whatever the hell you're talking about. That being said, I could listen to you reading cookbooks and be happy! You're the best! Have a great day everyone! ❤

[@Kiddums_]

Super wholesome message 😊

[@Lizzypoohxo]

I'm 37 and feel the same 😂. He's very well spoken and very knowledgeable about the things he talks about. Plus he has an amazing speaking voice!

[@erismason3441]

Aw, that's wholesome. As a 28 year old woman, soon to be 29, a lot of the times when he opens his videos with "I'm sure you've heard of this by now," or some variation of that, it's the first time I'm hearing of whatever he's talking about, haha.

[@Sar-ahG]

Same- I could care less about twitch but the way in which he talks is genuine and nice (and funny)

[@SeattleBones_]

This made me smile

[@QPZess]

Twitch CEO: Alright y’all we got our policy ready to push Twitch employee: Sir, what about our apology statement Twitch CEO: have it ready in the next five minutes

[@Black-Dawg-Jesus]

Replace "Twitch employee" with "Unpaid intern" and you're spot on.

[@MXALOVE]

It seems most companies now a days have gotten extremely greedy, Reddit, Twitter, Twitch, etc, are implementing new policies to gain extra revenue. They aren't satisfied with their billions of dollars they get, they want more and it's sad.

[@m1k333yy]

yup. couldn’t have said it any better

[@davidrossington9756]

They announced this right after GDQ ended too. You can't run GDQ with these new rules; you need space for the couch, donation tracker, MSF/Prevent Cancer, the prizes, the sponsors at the bottom left. It's like they specifically waited until one of the biggest biannual events on Twitch ended to kick them out

[@davidp4234]

The fear that surged throughout my body thinking you cut your hair was palpable

[@MrLeFluffy1]

OKAY BUT SAME

[@zengoku4518]

Nah fr. Watching this shit near moving cars was a terrible idea

[@Blackheathenly]

I died, but then I saw that pontyail peeking around the side and I was revived like Jesus.

[@bigjalapeno7061]

Lol

[@johnzumax]

Not gonna lie, I clicked because I thought charlie cut his hair.

[@autumnsprout1]

This man is somehow able to make me care about issues I have never even heard about. Hats off to you, Mr. Moist.

[@awlgh9045]

Mr. Moist 🤣

[@thehale_]

@MdoubleHB Don’t care.

[@ajoe.8461]

​@MdoubleHB damn bro, didnt ask

[@iZetto1]

@MdoubleHB Balanced diet exists??

[@euphoria945]

@MdoubleHB thats craz ydudeeeee

[@McKenzieStelter]

These policy changes are completely absurd and will extremely limit the content available on the platform.

[@davidfarmer4092]

Good on Twitch for anti-monopoly practices. It’s important to let competitors grow 😊.

[@Wopedomer]

@SheepManYFGA shut up

[@dionfarmer1644]

Dad?

[@EvatLeigh]

xD

[@ivankawnartist]

What's the difference between a disgruntled streamer fan and a disgruntled budlight drinker?

[@SwagbobKushpants]

​@@ivankawnartistOne is terminally online.

[@joelyt1682]

I like how Twitch's follow-up response is basically a movie director blaming the audience for not unerstanding their film when their movie is bad. They're literally saying people must have misinterpreted what they said lol

[@kevboard]

twitch: "simultaneously streaming on other platforms is now prohibited even for non-partners and sponsor logos need to be tiny now!" people: "but that means the game awards and other events will not be able to be on twitch anymore" twitch: "nah, wait... our statement was too broad for you to understand" 🙃

[@spawn302]

Or like when DesignerDave said Asmon and everyone who believed Arthas' decision was unjust in WoW and "*you're supposed to see that is evil! As the writer im right and youre wrong!!!*" when literallly no one interprets it the sMe way

[@_eeveeon_]

Kinda reminds me of: "Do you guys not have phones?!"

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

@@spawn302 it’s Amazon