iDubbbz Situation

This is the greatest apology situation of All Time
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[@RetroTaylor94]

Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.

[@419chris419]

And? So are you saying when a comedian jokes about certain subjects it attracts certain people? How's it the fault of the comedian?

[@charlietraynor-croft6393]

But you should still be able to make jokes without being called racist, sexist, or whatever.

[@nebbygetinthebag7263]

@@419chris419 no christ, Nido very clearly stated, 'Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.' Please show me where the word 'comedian' is used and also, show me where the comedy of saying slurs is.

[@benmccabe1060]

@@charlietraynor-croft6393 im with you on this but the n-word kind of crosses a line in this day and age

[@hizui7904]

@@nebbygetinthebag7263 they were making an analogy...

[@jackbizzell7136]

I don't think Charlie is fully grasping the impact iDubbbz content had on kids back in the day.

[@miguelsalazar1059]

I did commit 79 war crimes due to his content yea, all of them were in call of duty but still

[@bouldrycraft12]

Charlie’s whole point is that it’s not his fault kids watched his clearly adult content because they had no parents monitoring them anyways and idubbz made videos for older people who were supposed to understand the nuance of using the slur like how South Park is technically two white guys saying the n word but trey Parker and Matt stone shouldn’t apologize either they just don’t do it anymore which is showing their understanding.

[@nono-yw3tv]

@@miguelsalazar1059 I know right? 🤣

[@mxlcxlm1518]

Exactly. I literally had ppl in school come up to me in school and called me racial slurs all bc of ppl like Ian, Filthy Frank and Leafy. How does he not get it?

[@jaden2758]

@@mxlcxlm1518 because thats such a isolated experience and frankly i just dont believe that was the only reason why, during middle and highschool (where they were at their biggest) i had been to 4 different schools and never had that kinda stuff happen because of fans of a youtuber

[@freshrockpapa-e7799]

Making a 21 minute video about how his 10 minute apology was too much and unnecessary is peak irony.

[@cloeunderwood11]

that’s so funny😂i didn’t even peep

[@slaty50]

his apology was 17 mins

[@iggynub]

You don't understand the word irony, as there isn't a hint of it here. Watching and having a response or reaction to a long form statement isn't ironic, regardless of your feelings about it.

[@tumescent]

@@iggynub The irony comes from criticizing the long form statement's lack of conciseness in a fashion that is equally if not more long-winded and disrespectful to the viewer's time. It's the definition of irony.

[@alberteinstein8862]

@@iggynub the CEO of irony

[@saturnrain9140]

This is so tone deaf and I hate that you can't see the damage he's done and accept that he was wrong

[@vladimirgluten781]

what damage lmfao

[@عمرحليله-خ7ع]

Why are there so many crybabies whining about being damaged by words? It feels like I'm on Twitter.

[@JayDayKay]

What damage, I’m actually curious

[@theodddish1846]

What was the damage?

[@mmmmongooseiii384]

The people asking “what damage” obviously didnt watch the actual apology where he talks about very real instances of damage such as his interactions with fans and the harassment to his wife

[@microsnail2761]

When I was in middle school groups of white boys would chase me down the halls screaming “n***** f*****” because it would make me cry. Without fail. My parents and grandparents and great grandmother would sit me down and tell me stories of slavery, bigotry, misogyny, r*pe and dehumanization. That is what those words carry. I understand not all people realize this is what these words carry. So people are speaking out about it. That’s what this is about. That is the harm that was facilitated. The ignorance and the weaponization of language under the guise of apathy. I don’t mean to lecture. Im just disappointed in this take. I understand that hatred wasn’t Ian’s intention, but it is nice he is willing to take responsibility. 2016 KZbin was awful for so many children of color and there was an impact. It all feels so counterproductive to undermine Ian’s apology and reflection. Him speaking on his turn to empathy is useful for people on the fence about things. It’s just disappointing to see this vid.

[@OYJluv]

I respect you.

[@jimmybobbyjoe]

Thank you. Jesus fuck I was about to go insane seeing some of these replies. I’m a fan of Charlie but this was an absolutely shit take. I just saw a video that D’Angelo Wallace made and he did a good job of shooting down Charlie’s ignorance and reflecting on the impact that iDubbbz made on a huge generation of kids. Hearing Charlie say “you used those words for edgy shock humor,” and “you’re not a racist” takes a sledgehammer to everything that iDubbbz is apologizing for.

[@sabersin7694]

That is literally the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in a while. You have never tasted true bigotry your whole life.

[@nooneimportant8157]

This is absolutely the least convincing story I've ever read. 0/10

[@lailaauto33]

@@nooneimportant8157 why do you say that? i am not black, but I am indigenous and people would call me slurs as a kid because they knew it affected me. I wasn't old enough to understand it completely, but I knew that those slurs were wrong and carried the stories of horrific acts my ancestors went through by colonizers. try to have some empathy

[@BongwaterWG]

Charlie spends 20 minutes explaining why someone using the N word didnt hurt him personally 😂

[@lordcchancleta9579]

You do know a lot of white people do get offended for other ethnicities. Be grateful Charlie isn't one of them.

[@Ethanbilski]

And it hurt you? Words hurt you?

[@kid2788]

@@lordcchancleta9579 why be grateful for that? very pathetic take

[@Supermunchwoman]

​ @JoshuaWysocki-qr1py when the word pushes a white superiority complex i think it would hurt most people

[@kurlykayla9013]

@@Ethanbilski yes? do you not know how communication works?

[@Meji_Kohi]

It fills me with humanitarian faith that Charlie isn’t being blindly followed.

[@patrickkinnear8625]

No, but idubbbz is. He said naughty words and it was basically another Holocaust

[@Thomas_Angelo]

Let's gooo

[@Thomas_Angelo]

@@patrickkinnear8625 he is hitler basically.

[@icanbreathe9161]

Bc his audience is older and can think for themselves

[@lad5912]

Yeah, I may not agree with some comments but its a good thing to see a discussion

[@widgetfilms]

Why would you need to tell someone their apology is wrong?

[@troypowers750]

To make sure it's actually genuine or serious.

[@Tubeytime]

To let them know they're overthinking things that don't actually matter, hypothetically speaking.

[@ivonne8068]

@@Tubeytime still an L take from Charlie tbh

[@game_boyd1644]

@@troypowers750 that's not what he's doing here. He's telling idubzz that an apology not directed toward him in the first place wasn't necessary. Does that make any sense to you?

[@game_boyd1644]

@@Tubeytimeso it doesn't matter that his content encouraged people to normalize the use of dehumanizing words, and that he now regrets that and wants to apologize to the people he affected for it? I genuinely don't get it. This apology wasn't meant for people who weren't affected by his content in the past. Why do you feel the need to call it out if it doesn't affect you? Unless you think you're one of the basement dwelling losers he called out?

[@lilman227]

Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.

[@brysonius]

I don’t think he’s saying he didn’t do some things that were valid or warranted. He’s just not proud of what he’s made as a whole.

[@aaronlandry3934]

Idubbbz has clearly developed Alzheimer’s in his elderly age

[@LukeWeiner1]

Doesn’t take away from the fact that idubbbz was literally the spokesperson for a word that was uttered as black ppl were lynched, raped, etc.

[@tedtheodore5715]

But when it happens to a dude nobody gives a shit xd

[@keemstarkreamstar7069]

@@LukeWeiner1 Words aren’t magic. Saying the word that was used during these events doesn’t make them happen again. The problem with slurs isn’t that they were historically used to demean people, its that they can amplify malicious messages towards these groups. If we operated on the basis that anything associated with something bad in the past is always bad, than environmentalism and wanting rights for animals is literally neo-nazism because Hitler was fond of these things. Also he wasn’t the “spokesperson” for this word.

[@ericbancker6963]

The fact he made all of these apologies and never once apologized for that haircut, that's more insane

[@hhaste]

Seriouslyy. That haircut is way more offensive than anything he has ever said

[@Lymborium]

Yeah it's like the only thing that reminds me of old iDubbz lmao

[@markjacobson4248]

​@@hhaste let's be honest, a mullet is about as idubbz a haircut as possible.

[@Necroggore]

i think it looks pretty sweet ngl

[@donzolez9482]

Kinda gay to judge someone's looks, fashion nerd

[@benabroad8872]

It’s not like he was a child when he was doing this stuff. He was a 28 year old man.

[@Lanooski]

people get wise to shit at different rates. as he's addressed his social scope was limited compared to where it is now and his biggest period of growth was defined by encouragement and validation for whatever he was doing or saying at the time. people twice as old as him have identical views to what he had at 28 and worse yet what many people have at 17. look at Tate.

[@benabroad8872]

@@Lanooski True, but it’s just odd he suddenly got wise when KZbin started cracking down on harassment/language

[@Tibovl]

​@@benabroad8872 KZbin has been hammering down on edgy content for several years. It's not like that's a thing that just happened last month. Ian is trying distance himself from his past self. And as a result he regrets many things he did, some of them which were not that bad. This can happen at any age in your life. I think it's far more harmful to not question yourself and justify your own behaviour unreasonably.

[@aledso]

People who disliked what he used to do are just soft weird twitter people, apparently even now when he's trying to gain them as audience they still don't like him lol

[@enoch13th85]

@@Tibovl If he regrets it because YT are hammering down on it then he's not sorry. He's just a b'ch. Nothing he did harmed anyone. The only person to call him out on it is himself.

[@xae4495]

There’s a big difference between actions that are cringe and those that are downright wrong and unacceptable

[@meatystalactite531]

And idubbbz’s were just cringe.

[@trexasaurus5322]

Boohoo bro he said a joke 7 years ago that everyone made

[@ahmedkabadeh2565]

@@meatystalactite531brother no, he literally ripped the Quran book in half💀

[@Nolan-Boi]

There’s an even bigger difference between jokes and actions

[@aninelson8866]

he killed an actual real life mouse. he knew there was a living animal inside the box he was chasing it ith his fist you can find the video easy

[@coffeeenjoyer9099]

his content definitely had a much bigger impact on kids than you think back then. The same way ishowspeed is impacting todays generation of kids.

[@Dumbledouche]

​@@Gamfluent two things can be true at the same time my guy

[@edmundfredmund]

​@@Gamfluent I was 15 when idubbz started doing content cops. Everyone in my school would watch his shit, and slurs became regular vocabulary for most in my year. Although I don't blame Ian for this, like he said in his video, there is some amount of accountability for his audience, as kids and teenagers are very impressionable. I still think most of his content was great don't get me wrong but normalizing slurs is definitely not a good thing. He obviously wasn't racist or homophobic, neither were most saying it in my school, but none the less shouldn't be said in such a casual way.

[@solodolo4098]

​@@Gamfluentyeah but by that knowledge then dont blame the internet when your kids become a disaster.

[@solodolo4098]

@@Gamfluent sure they did.... then stop comparing your lifestyle to others then.

[@danielcristianescobar8157]

It really didn’t. Charlie is 100% right. Toxic people there were there because they were toxic. He wasn’t nearly close to what ishowspeed does today.

[@starriebowie]

this is a concerning take on someone owning up to their actions and trying to improve themselves. unless you were one of the people his jokes were directed at, you won’t get it. his content very much normalized the use of many slurs and similar things. im glad that he’s changing for the better

[@lunar-_-moon]

Nah bring it back

[@starriebowie]

@@lunar-_-moon ok edgelord

[@chucksneedlee]

He got ass blasted into infinity after the Sam Hyde video lmao

[@flowersintheditch]

i don’t understand charlie for this. Like i was on yt when this stuff was popular and other people didn’t feel like it was just ‘edgy’ humor. It wasn’t *acceptable* with a lot of the people at time so for him to act like it was just because it was common just feels really weird and dishonest. people probably didn’t criticize it as much back then because it felt pointless when you’d get dogpiled or worse for pointing it out

[@Mightyyy8]

​@@chucksneedlee it's the fact that he's making a strawman in the apology video rather than addressing the main criticism he's receiving, which is the froggy fresh and sam hyde situation.

[@Zuronicks]

Charlie really underestimates how much of an effect iddubbz had on the online community

[@gabriellelister7669]

Not even just online you couldn’t present any type of fruity w/ out hearing “what are you fuckin gay” from other kids in school 😭 and I watched him too 💀

[@JackTheBunny]

​@@gabriellelister7669sounds like good times

[@WrangleMcDangle]

@@gabriellelister7669 yeah it's funny to say that and still is

[@Edward-Not-Elric]

I think you overestimate. People have been vehemently offensive in the most vile ways for over a decade before idubbz showed up. They never slowed down or ramped up just because another edgy youtuber showed up. They simply took that as a place where their edgy humor was welcome. He didn't create any new edglords. He just gave them another place to be edgy.

[@gabriellelister7669]

@@WrangleMcDangle it’s cool when it’s in a group who’s cool w/ it. Going up to a stranger cause you think they’re gay and saying that is not funny. That’s being a dick. There’s a diff.

[@jacksonn5240]

i think this might literally be the only video from Charlie that's at all negatively recieved

[@UsersmiledogX-p9y]

fr all of those mad kids

[@vespine1749]

@@UsersmiledogX-p9yfor every right reason

[@personperson8563]

@@UsersmiledogX-p9yit’s justified, if you lived in a predominantly white area during the Idubbz area getting “ironically” called slurs and the N-word behind your back was supper common. Hearing it justified using the idubbz/leafy rhetoric was also common. Straight up racism and bullying, Heavily inspired by and carried out using idubbz arguments. He now realized this and apologized for it. He realized his legacy has both directly and indirectly cause so many kids to be unironically bullied, have slurs used against them. He had also directly radicalized many kids, causing them to turn into slur chucking racist edge lords, and he deeply regrets that. Charlie’s excusing him. L take from Charlie.

[@Cherry-pu4mx]

He tends to have bad takes because he goes through content too quickly

[@mommyissue]

​​@@UsersmiledogX-p9yno shhhtt they mad ain't no need to explain nothing to you causes I already know your ssttpid as ain't even gonna listen so whatever.😂🙄🙄😷

[@crashwebb4715]

An unprompted apology from an honest person is more valuable than any other apology video/statement on the internet

[@fart63]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a heartfelt apology on this app before so it’s kinda crazy. I knew it wasn’t coming but I was still waiting for the “*sniff* guys….. its been so hard to make this video…”

[@DaFifaKid]

unprompted?? hes been getting railed online ever since the boxing event.......this was very much prompted lmao

[@yamieruki]

​@Nark Formost lmao people changed and left you behind, you do you but don't cry about others

[@crashwebb4715]

@@DaFifaKid I didn't know about that

[@zebbybobebby]

It wasn't unprompted. He did this because of the CC2 drama.

[@chickencurry420]

To be fair, this is the most sincere and genuine apology video on the entire goddamn platform.

[@Quatrixjs1]

People think the fact he doesn't actually remove the videos makes it insincere

[@chickencurry420]

I disagree with that idea but I understand where it's coming from

[@end.olives]

Yeah? Why then since he wants to disown his actions, he doesnt go out and donate all the money hes made from the old videos? Talk is cheap

[@end.olives]

Yall are just easily satisfiable people, sort of person that belives short videos

[@SM-nz9ff]

@@end.olives basically yeah...and to keep the same name associated with hate and bigotry therefore triggered all those affected....talk is cheap indeed.

[@killaghxst4874]

I’ve never seen anyone try to debunk an apology

[@Ozhull]

Very reductive take, clown

[@killaghxst4874]

@@Ozhull it’s not a take it’s what he did

[@Nanamin69]

"debunk" he just called it fake and garbage, which it actually is

[@killaghxst4874]

@@Nanamin69 apologizing for saying the n word isn’t garbage

[@abcdefzhij]

Flombiggies!

[@Mattropolis97]

Yeah Idubz never struck me as a racist. I get wanting to apologize for using slurs but it was pretty clear in the Tana video he was using them to make a point that she was a hypocrite…I haven’t seen his vids in like 5+ years but that’s what I got from it

[@OnTheGo352]

This feels more like a personal confession. It doesn't seem to me like the entire point was to apologize to the people, but also just to get this off his chest since it's been bothering him so long, and it's like to set the record straight for people because his old self isn't what he wants to project to the world anymore.

[@macicoinc9363]

He's made about 6 videos so far where he does this, he is just repeating himself at this point

[@AndoBanderino]

I just find it very weird how he wants to separate himself from his old content but also clings onto it so tightly. He's removed content cop, but all the bad unboxings which still include the hateful rhetoric he's distancing himself from is still sitting on his page untouched. The one thing I just find so weird is that in the last boxing match, we walked into the ring with a boxing coat (or whatever it's called) designed after his "I'm Gay" elf costume, which clearly is just a callback to his old videos and only panders to his old audience.

[@jfoo3782]

Its kind of like kim wexler from Better call saul

[@Snorlaxsnaxx]

​@macicoinc9363 I can understand why though. People don't want to let go of of their vilification of his old persona.

[@jakobxr]

You can’t just decide how people perceive you. He has most definitely changed as a person, he went from a brash opinionated edge lord to a disingenuous, insecure, pussywhipped, spineless, (I could go on forever) Clinton-esque cretin. His new doc series he tried to reinvent himself with is just as lowbrow as his old content. Getting on his high horse, pretending he’s a legit filmmaker, while sneak dissing and exploiting his interviewee (daxflame, airsoftfatty). He couldn’t pin down Sam and exploit him so he resents him, hates him. Ian has shown his true colors yet he’s so stubbornly senseless he can’t see how much he’s portraying himself as someone who severely lacks in integrity and grit

[@fabulousfrankielee]

Just putting in my 2 cents about Charlie's "I don't think it harmed anyone" comment. As someone who had to deal with white friends I was in school with getting too comfortable with throwing N-bombs after I naively gave the pass to them, then throwing the idubbbz "either all of it's okay or none of it's okay" quote when I told them that I'm no longer comfortable with incessant their use of the N-word, I wish he hadn't made those videos, even as a fan of his back in that day. The flagrant crossing of my boundaries by classmates was certainly not helped by the culture generated by his content.

[@DannyDeVitois79]

Your experience is not irrelevant…. Idubbbz did not have anything to do with a couple dipshit white kids you happened to be around using that word….. period…… maybe reconsider the next time YOU tell people it’s okay to say that around you….. It’s called the bell curve of humanity,,,, most people of ANY NATIONALITY suck….

[@00026-k]

Ugh I can’t stand that quote anymore ive heard it so many times

[@BigReddthehebrew]

That was your dumb self for allowing them to disrespect you not Idubbz fault

[@st8vie282]

The point is should he really be responsible for the actions of others it’s obvious his videos where constructed in the confides of satire and irony as is most comedy it’s not like he specifically told people to say it or promote it

[@humuhumu776]

It really is all okay or none of it is. Your race is the same as all others

[@many244]

what the fuck i charlie talking about?? 😭😭 ive never seen him miss this hard before

[@lukastace3154]

ong, biggest miss of all time

[@gabrielcyr234]

Okay. Go ahead then. Cancel all hip hop. Its offensive, regardless of the intentions according to snowflakes

[@gabrielcyr234]

Pssst... Resenting a race for saying something but not the other is litteral segregation. The irony is extreme your entire generation missed.

[@chrisdroney8141]

With all due respect Charlie, I don't think Ian was worried he hurt folks like you and me with his "former catchphrase".

[@buddybrax]

How can anybody seriously listen to this group of twitch streamers and think "These people are intelligent, I plan to listen to them!"

[@showoofity50]

or hes worried youtube no longer will be profitable if his image is that of his "former"

[@metaltrombone549]

@@buddybrax Yeah none of them seem too sharp

[@joeyjojoshabbadoo8153]

The world would be better off if people tossed away the shackles of allowing words to hurt them, and that’s a fact.

[@keanukendrick6599]

@@joeyjojoshabbadoo8153just like the shackles that held the slaves arms back in the day huh?

[@l3ft.br4in]

i promise if you ever met an average preteen idubbbz fan in 2016, you wouldn't say his content/impact wasn't damaging LOL

[@cksupreme]

Those kids would've acted like that regardless of whether or not they consumed Idubbz's content, m8. You're making the "video games cause violence" argument here.

[@Asmodeuslvr]

@@cksupreme Normalization of using slurs and spouting casual bigotry leads to negative impacts of the community directly affected historically by said slurs and bigotry.

[@Scrinklins]

Idubbbz didn’t make them. They’re the kids that were calling you a f** in cod game chat in 2010 why are y’all acting like someone in 2016 created that it’s just internet culture by 2016 it was dying

[@TheSebi99p]

@@Asmodeuslvr what a load of horseshit

[@river-sama7681]

@@cksupreme not remotely the same dude. or are you trying to argue that young children and teenagers will not emulate what they see their role models doing? like is that seriously what you're trying to imply? because one of the most basic things to understand about kids is that they are extremely impressionable.

[@ryanside7095]

My perspective is this: I don’t think idubbbz should apologize for criticizing other creators, but I think it’s good that he’s apologizing for HOW he did it.

[@sdnmkhn]

Yuppp. He even says in the video: "I still don't like you guys" to all the content cop subjects

[@flavoredrice176]

The way he did it wasn't wrong. He had nothing to apologize for.

[@yetube6047]

Agreed. I don’t think Idubbz was apologizing for criticizing people though.

[@Vidasinvida]

This!

[@simonfredheim9581]

The way he did it wasn't even bad. Ian is saying that he made himself seem better than everyone else but like Charlie pointed out he never actually gave that impression.

[@housespider]

While idubbz and his behavior were reflective of the times, I still feel like his apology was warranted wholeheartedly. One of those axe forgets but the tree remembers type of things. Damage is done either way so to try and reconcile is always welcome

[@youforget1000thingsaday]

It wasn't okay even then. The n-word was always racist. 😂

[@housespider]

@@youforget1000thingsaday never said it was okay lol but you're right

[@Sneedmire]

Low impulse control does far more damage than idubbz making a joke. Maybe the population "damaged" by the jokes needs to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get a job.

[@arsyn8353]

⁠@@Sneedmiredude really? Are you a POC? Are you a member of the LGBTQ? Are you Jewish? Do you know how shitty it was to go to school and get targeted by the “edgy” kids who watched his videos and harassed those communities? He apologized because those same kids who watched his content went on to directly imitate his “edgy” persona and it did cause damage. Just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t real. And using the “need to get a job” thing is so 40 year old white housewife it’s stinky and lame be better.

[@Min-xw8gn]

@@Sneedmireme when racism is just minorities feeling sorry for themselves:

[@KappaRipple]

As a black man myself used to really liked Idubbz and I used to think a lot of his racist shock humor was funny. However, that person who use to find that funny also enabled others to make racist remakes about them because they wanted to fit in. Being in my 20’s I can now see how damaging casual racist jokes were to my self image and how I saw other black people were. Racist humor whether with good attentions or not still place a seed of bigotry that can grow into many things. Hate, depression, self doubt, confusion. Bigotry can do a lot when promoted which is why I personally am glad Idubbz understands the impact he could have had and why those jokes were so harmful

[@Cloudsurfer69]

This comment is a real one ☝️

[@honeyswann]

Same, as a pan poc girl, I used to think I was cool for liking his content. It also ruined my self image and I basically hated myself with everything I agreed with. I’m 20 now and I hate who I used to me, it caused me irreparable damage that I tried so hard to fit in with some guys and even some girls. I’m glad there’s a bunch of us who know the impacts he had.

[@solomon2532]

Comment i left on idubbbz video: "To be honest Ian, your content did influence a lot of kids to be rather horrible. Anecdotal but nonetheless I experienced A LOT of bullying and harassment from people i considered friends and outside of them directly referencing your content. Discussions about your content, discussions about the use of certain words, were all justified because Idubbbz said so. I was one of the only black student at my high school and the only one in my year group. It was isolating enough to be a different skin colour, but further isolating when people around me started blurting n- f-, or saying those things to my face. No amount of appealing to these kids could save me from the torment. People say blame the parents, blame the so and so, but i want people to understand that Ians content played a role, it contributed and exacerbated the intensity of my treatment. All for what man"

[@onbox6276]

Wow, this is a perfect example of self reflection done right. It’s good that you accept yourself bro

[@George-pl7eu]

​@@solomon2532 bro you can't blame idubbbz content for you being bullied really can't

[@Xinderkan]

Things don't need to be huge, massive, unforgiviable problems for people to apologise for them.

[@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe]

except for when they're bad things like you know telling people that saying slurs is okay

[@cookiesncream9158]

Sure but let’s not act like racism *isn’t* a huge problem. Like yeah, no one’s getting killed from him saying the n-word and telling his audience that it’s okay for them to as well, but it does create an unsafe and unwelcome environment for black people on the platform, and in turn, in real life as well, and that issue shouldn’t be trivialized.

[@senopai.8377]

@@cookiesncream9158 agree with this 100%, but i think the og comment was just countering how charlie started the video. like when he said “ian wasn’t killing puppies” like obviously but that doesn’t mean he can’t apologize for it. ykwim? i don’t think og comment was saying racism isn’t a big problem (because it definitely is) they were just countering charlie’s argument

[@cookiesncream9158]

@@senopai.8377 yeah yeah fs fs, I wasn’t tryna imply that og doesn’t see racism as a huge issue, I agree with everything they said, I just thought it was worth mentioning because that it could definitely be read that way.

[@senopai.8377]

@@cookiesncream9158 oh oki !! ❤️

[@cloudyyy9319]

this is like your friend apologizing to you about something and then someone who had nothing to do with the situation completely ignoring your feelings and being like “no no don’t apologize to them you should keep doing what ur doing!!!”

[@77768]

yeah when he said it was “just edgy” about racism normalization. Hate on all groups that come with a slur I had to check the video again… am I really watching charlie react to idubz apology?

[@jondavis3427]

Shows how toxic Charlie is

[@plep3718]

yeah, except your friend isn't even apologising to you, they're apologising to the people that actually were affected and you butt in to say nah its all good

[@doomedallweare5014]

@@77768 and what about the content of idubbbz was normalization of racism? his point was people give words too much power. ironcally those bitching about using the n-word without context were the first using in a racist hateful way like Tana . you can think it's wrong to use the word but don't pretend it's the same as using to a black person to insult them based on their race or use it on all people.

[@77768]

@@doomedallweare5014 read what you said again… you’re contradicting yourself. If you’re a racist just own up to that don’t try to compare something bad to something ungodly & be like “see in contrast it’s not that bad”. That’s disgusting that you have to take it that far to justify it. The n word is above all a derogatory term with a dark history behind it. It’s bad as it is. it’s not “just a word”

[@juaniarussi3118]

Bro I can’t even fathom how blind you were to this issue. Chronically online and this shows you don’t socialize enough

[@sharkattack6157]

Agreed. I guess this is what happens to your brain when you stay in Florida too long.

[@MoldyMan.]

hes got one L take now y'all hating his entire personality

[@juaniarussi3118]

@@MoldyMan. i love him lmao I still watch him everyday. This was for sure an L take tho 😂

[@hwowwhwoo]

You can be hurtful and cause damage even if that wasn't your intention.

[@crosshavoc1387]

Yes, but it doesn’t matter if it wasn’t your intention.

[@tylersargent3307]

@@crosshavoc1387 it does matter thou. If I don’t mean to hit someone with my car, I still killed someone if they died. Words matter and dubz alone helped cause a new generation of asshats just like leafy

[@joshuakohn4408]

@@crosshavoc1387 To say it doesn't matter at all is crazy but it's a huge difference that is for sure

[@hwowwhwoo]

@@crosshavoc1387 ok, so you can drive your car on the sidewalk with the intent of getting to work a little faster, the people you mowed down on the way won't matter because turning them into a series of stains on the concrete wasn't something you intended on doing my point is that your actions, whether they be casual bigotry or vehicular manslaughter, have consequences regardless of intent

[@kagemarushun7378]

​@@hwowwhwooyour analogy is invalid. Drivin on a sidewalk is illegal and you will hit someone regardless. Making content about people being useless, Idiots or generally being annoying is not something that bad if at all.

[@RustyShackleford9000]

Honestly I think if he wants to apologize for something he regrets, there’s nothing wrong with that.

[@Gcannoli1837]

I agree for sure taking acountability and appologizing is important. I just feel he's looking at everything with rose tinted glasses. The part about slurs, and hate speech 1000% agree on how he's appologizing for it. However take that away and much of the content disecting keemstar and other really bad actors, nothin wrong with that. At the end of the day it is his call and I think people throwing a hissy fit over it are stupid, but I think he is over correcting hard

[@williamburns3823]

Hate speech is just speech

[@emelgizzybruh2058]

@@Gcannoli1837that’s what I’m saying, and you just see his new fans saying that the content cops were unnecessary when it objectively made the site better. People just can’t appreciate what he did at the time anymore. Hate the double slit catchphrase tho made him sound like an idiot

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

@@emelgizzybruh2058 “objectively made the site better” i don’t think you know what objectively means brother

[@sidcitris4162]

It feels like he's going through a 12 step program and this is one of the steps, apologizing for past mistakes

[@00026-k]

Being black in middle school during those “edgy” years was absolute hell. I was constantly harassed by kids parroting the same shit he said, calling me “n-word, f-word” and following me around constantly. I’m not saying Idubbz is responsible for anyone else’s actions, but he did encourage this kind of hate and bullying in his videos, and it did hurt real life people. I believe the apology is warranted. Just because you didn’t see the affects, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

[@watch-Dominion-2018]

he was mocking people who use the N word, but you Gen Z never have the ability to understand mockery

[@keynage6693]

@@watch-Dominion-2018 mockery might've been his intention but the outcome was what was posted in the comment above, that's what Idubbz was apologizing for. Braindead take I'm ngl

[@peachnotperf]

@@watch-Dominion-2018 are you trying to say that his previous content were satirizing slurs rather than just making a joke out of them ??? thats ... interesting

[@watch-Dominion-2018]

@@keynage6693 you're clearly a Gen Z npc

[@watch-Dominion-2018]

@@peachnotperf Gen Z npc

[@findthebox8623]

I thought i was crazy. Thanks Charlie. The appology seemed like it was made by a hater who didn't see how good his videos were. I like you Charlie but idubbbz was on an another level. It felt like he was trying to get rid of every fan.

[@Adurite]

never in my life did i think iDubbbz would get in drama in 2023

[@NateMakesMusic]

I feel raw and rashed up below

[@foolishgamer99]

Athen Booth

[@katakuri5267]

Comment speed run

[@Mcburger644]

Quite the throwback

[@danielltorres5895]

How does this comment have 140likes in 2 mins 💀

[@frogsplusdogs2271]

I’m personally really proud of Charlie subscribers for not just mindlessly agreeing with this video (it’s ok if you do) I think he’s misunderstanding this whole apology and I’m happy to see I’m not the only person that thinks that.

[@cyrus2430]

agreed, i felt really weird at the beginning being like..???

[@SultanFriendlyGuest]

I don't think it's okay to agree with a bad take, but I am happy to see it too.

[@glossiangelz]

I genuinely thought it was just me 😭

[@HALF_DAY]

Ye instead they’re mindlessly agreeing with the most liked comments

[@kerosoba]

@@glossiangelz i wasn’t goin say anything cus i thought his fans were goin cook me😭

[@amitklain4199]

He didn't make an apology to satisfy some angry mob, no one was trying to cancel him. He did it because he knew it would get rid of the type of audience he doesn't want around anymore and I fucking get it.

[@poopyscoopy6984]

Not even a week ago he was in drama for fucking over another youtuber and it brought up his past.😊😅

[@fatlizard_]

@@poopyscoopy6984 to be fair, they had it coming. this kind of shit was probably hanging over Ian's head for a long time and that dragged all of it back to the surface and he felt like he HAD to get it off his chest.

[@lisztresurrected9438]

He did it because his wife and the other drama he's involved with, where he is acting objectively terrible and two faced.

[@eddievanhorn5497]

Yeah, and I think that his apology is a perfect example of how the right's idea of "cancel culture" is BS. Ian wants to change and be better, and most people are giving him the space to. The only people at his neck are the ones who he left behind as he grew and are terrified by the thought that he could be right about being wrong.

[@ArchonCommando]

He did it because his channel is practically dead and he needed some more publicity for his fighting events going forward.

[@DeathMagpyyyyy]

Why did people hate this video? Charlie was right

[@ergwertgesrthehwehwejwe]

Mentally ill twitter users have brigaded it, the average person doesn't think like this

[@homelessend8557]

​@ergwertgesrthehwehwejwe his entire comment section under this and the L Take video are full of Twitter people saying "idubbbz changed", "you didn't grow up" strawman arguments, Hasan fans etc. It's actually insane that these people exist. Hell, they probably blame video games for making people violent if that's the case.

[@Nzappreciator110]

Leftoids and black people hate this video because they worship idubbbz new "grown up humour" and liberal anti racist ARC.

[@tacobell1299]

If someone wants to apologize for something they did at one point and now they deem that thing as a bad thing.. let them apologize. The apology could just be them making amends and clearing their own mind.

[@user-fz3sz2dj4r]

Nah, he just realized he can't make money on it anymore. In the proper context, his content was fine.

[@andyabreu5627]

@@user-fz3sz2dj4r not even in 2014 context was it totally fine. he’s always been seen as edgy, even he knows that

[@Gnsd45]

except the apology isnt about all that, question is, why you care so much about a dudes reaction to someones apologies when you dont know shit about the context of that situation?

[@thisisAshtar2]

he did he never said he couldnt he just said it feels idiotic he cannot stop him for apologizing his opinion is on the apology itself 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@28_rog]

@@user-fz3sz2dj4r plus that shit was funny asf

[@shesholdingcorn]

No one was trying to go after him. He just apologized and changed cause he regretted it. This is genuine.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

he grew a small and petty person, he regressed

[@uavdoug985]

Lol

[@uavdoug985]

@@jujuteuxOfficial facts

[@pierluigiadreani2159]

Yeah, I am sure that his business and his girlfriend have nothing to do with it.

[@Supreme_Lobster]

I think he is genuinely confused

[@danskizaman]

Charlie is acting like this apology video was made directly for him lol

[@WorldJustice5]

Well, to be fair. He did put Situation in the title. But lol

[@Homer92]

I think this is striking a little close to home for Charlie. This is a commentary channel, not that different from what content cop was but less produced

[@laurax1179]

@@Homer92 yeah it does feel like that might be why Charlie is having this defensive sort of response

[@britann9539]

Yeah I think this must be hitting a little close to home for Charlie... It sounds like - I could be wrong. - he's almost defending himself in some way

[@koidayo]

@@Homer92 you really need to stop projecting your thoughts on people you don't know besides what they post on the internet.

[@JSantiago1990]

Charlie, as a 30 year old to a 30 year old. We been around long enough to know that what we see on the surface doesn't compare to what we see under the water. Meaning jus cause you didn't see the full damage of his content doesn't mean that it isn't as bad as he said.

[@nullakjg767]

Damn what kinda stuff was Idubz doing? Was he whipping slaves?

[@talb.1805]

@@nullakjg767 saying slurs for shits and giggles and being an absolute asshat about it

[@tomjohnson4822]

​​@@nullakjg767 this mindset is minimal. What if it promoted the killing of a group of people? I don't know. Don't ask me. Never watched the guy. Most I know is from Charlie. Just saying that you have no CLUE what effect his words had on people. Could have been one of the people that shot up a school. You don't know these things. 🤷 That's what the other commenter was saying just... Less extreme. Edit:TLDR. WORDS HAVE MEANINGS AND EFFECT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY. Crazy right?

[@floraljar9731]

Incredibly well written comment, thank you

[@nullakjg767]

@@tomjohnson4822 Wow how could you say that to me? You have no idea how damaging you are right now. You better apologize for this in 10 years. You cant ever know because you arent me, but just trust me youve caused me serious damage. Your intent means nothing

[@lisztdylan7846]

I think idubbz genuinely struggles with his actions in the past especially when its so well documented. Its like of every regretful thing you dod as a child is recorded, you are famous for it and made a living of it. I feel like the guilt for me would eat me up inside. This apology video was a way for idubbz to give himself closure from the past.

[@Biggleboggles]

Which was the point o his video, and apology. Charlie didn’t seem to like that

[@JTestForTruth]

It's not that complex though. If he genuinely feels this bad, quit the space. If you climbed to the top of a shoe-production company by quite literally sabotaging other shoe industries, the only way you could possibly "absolve" yourself of this is to remove yourself from the space. You can't sit on your throne at the top and act like anyone who dares act as you acted to get where you were is now somehow morally reprehensible and use your growth as an excuse to prevent others from doing what you did. It's an absurd ideology.

[@innsaanitty]

@@Biggleboggles I swear charlie is way off target with this one. idubbbz clearly mentions that he realises it was foolish of him to think he had zero responsibility for the indirect consequences of his edgelord content, leaving it upto the teen audiences to be responsible about not using his content to validate their bigoted views. like it's genuinely admirable that he takes responsibility and apologises publicly like this and then charlie is all "technically you didn't have to" 😂

[@susfringgaming4018]

He's also probably scared that since he's only 30 this stuff will remain online forever so I'd he ever becomes mainstream popular again, those clips of him saying the N word will always haunt him, so I feel like he is pre-emptively addressing those , especially with creator clash becoming more and more popular, at some point he was going to have to face the music

[@Biggleboggles]

@@innsaanitty lol

[@thelexicon7294]

Ok, but counterpoint: as a former iDubbz viewer, I felt 0% vilified by his apology. I didn't feel like he was calling me out, nor accusing me of anything. I feel like I, much like he, grew up and learned what was okay and what was too far. I can't speak on his apology because he isn't apologizing to me. But when he says that he fostered a toxic community (whether intentionally or not) and that he put a megaphone before some toxic-ass takes and amplified them, I don't feel like he's being insecure or like he's a slave to his audience or like it has anything to do with me.

[@ruminationstation4200]

The only people he vilified are people who are real world villains. They are at the end of the day keyboard bullies. Anyone who feels offended by it is telling on themselves

[@cocaineinmyvein]

Lmao "grew up". This dude is in his 30s, and the content we're talking about was 6-7 years ago.

[@Humongous_Hongonggolongus]

@@cocaineinmyvein I don't wanna defend Ian, but I'd tell you the same thing that anyone else will tell you. Neither I, you nor anyone else for that matter is the same after 5 years, we change our worldviews, opinions and beliefs rather fast, because we always learn from our mistakes and successes my guy.

[@chickennoodlesoup3301]

@@Humongous_Hongonggolongus None of those matters, because guess what? there are plenty of people who didn't or have never used slurs. So, for you to act like this is a mistake, or act that he's some recovering alcoholic as if being a bigot isn't the easiest thing to avoid, is laughable and almost embarrassing.

[@Humongous_Hongonggolongus]

@@chickennoodlesoup3301 he was clearly ironically using those slurs my dude. Tell me oh infallible one, have you not done something that you regret or cringe at, if you think about your past self?

[@davoohm2779]

Idubbbz once criticized Tana for saying "the context of the n word doesn't matter, using it is still racist" while also saying that casual racism is still racism.

[@ballisticbiscuit5706]

I dont see a contradion. Idubbbz was never casually racist. He never judged anyone based on the color of their skin or tried to say anything remotely racist. He just used words that are considered "racist" back then because he had views about the topic that he no longer holds

[@davoohm2779]

@@ballisticbiscuit5706 Well yes I'm not saying he was racist or anything, it's just that he critizised Tana for saying that the n word is always racist reguardless of the context but then claimed in his video that him just saying the n word was racist. I just find it strange that he would grow to think this way when he was right before.

[@ballisticbiscuit5706]

@@davoohm2779 Oh, i see now and yeah I agree

[@botersause3627]

He isn't doing it for you Charlie he's doing it for himself.

[@mxdungeon7312]

common boter sause W

[@KiwiHavok777]

Yeah he is ruining his life sure

[@inmyhead00]

@@KiwiHavok777 charlie's take was dumb but not life ruining bro relax

[@drkchoco6061]

@@inmyhead00 Lmfao 💀

[@Cat_Magic811]

Doing*

[@thecharlemagnekid9997]

Ive gotta say its shocking to me that a man can scream the n word in someone's face, apologise for it 7 years later and somehow its the apology that people consider "controversial"

[@christhomas3035]

Tana had called him out for using the n word after she ahead used it 10 billion times herself so idubbbz said what he said he wasn’t “screaming the n word” in anyone’s face lmao

[@pkpokeman]

@@christhomas3035 brother you obviously didn't watch enough of his content, he had full videos defending the use of the n-word

[@pokeystar101]

Must of watch it with eyes closed

[@Notlordstark]

And even Charlie, who usually has decent takes on this stuff, then tells us that it wasn’t hurtful or hateful for him to say the n-word. Extremely rare Charlie L

[@andydelatorre4290]

@@Notlordstark context always matters, granted, not a nice word but he never used it in a harmful matter compared to Tana. Not defending it but context always matters.

[@MellowJelly]

Since people like Charlie don't believe it, I'm here to testify that I infact, as a 19-year-old when Ian's content cop videos were coming out, was influenced by him normalizing slurs and misogynistic language and thought patterns. It affected my beliefs and I had to unlearn it. Ian didn't solely cause that effect on me, he was just one piece of a larger narrative in society. Now he's actually realizing that type of programming is very negative and is used to tear others down, which is what he was doing, and that's what I used to do. So if you're like Charlie and you don't think that type of content is harmful, it definitely can be. Maybe not to you or anyone in your life, but honestly it does make an impact. Criticizing people with wit and mocking people who are really out of line and probably deserve it (keemstar, leafy, tana, etc) is not what Ian is apologizing for. He's apologizing for the slurs and the harassment. Not sure how Charlie missed that. i'm still unlearning the 2016 era vibe of "it's cool to bully others because it makes me feel powerful" which ian definitely gained a large following from. i was 19 and i'm 26 now, and my ego is still arrogant online and fall into the bully stereotype instead of having educated and well-thought-out arguments. tl;dr ian did in fact contribute to creating an army of bigoted edgemeisters. it's cool that ian is realizing certain aspects of his past content were very misguided. charlie missed the point of ian's apology

[@mesaplayer9636]

Since you apparently don't believe it I watched his videos laughed and then consumed the next piece of content without turning into someone that hates and picks on people. It's pretty common sense to not do that.

[@notevenironicallyfunny204]

@@mesaplayer9636 you may or not be aware that younger people, especially kids, might not always have common sense

[@TrafalgarDWaterKid]

@@mesaplayer9636 you may or may not be aware that everyone isn't you

[@Crazyclay78YT]

yeah same, except i was 10 then and im now 17 and trans, so i think me trying to hurt other people and calling them the f slur was my internalized homo/transphobia. once i realized that hurting people didnt actually make me happy, i just stopped. i could tell people fucking hated me and i was lonely. luckily in high school things have changed and people have forgiven me after showing ive grown drastically.

[@Crazyclay78YT]

@@mesaplayer9636 yeah and how is a child gonna know better, and my racist parents didnt help either. i definitely did not know better and i definitely regret it. i cant really blame myself because i didnt have a good role model, but now that i have an actual consciousness i can think and know whats right and wrong

[@darknessfred4856]

Tbh as a black person and someone who was a young teen watching his videos it didn’t really bother me that much what he was saying. It didn’t change me as a person or anything it was just videos on the internet. I feel like most people are so hypocritical when it comes to this stuff. Most of you find it fine when shows like family guy and South Park make some really racist and messed up jokes. But when it’s someone you can actually see and blame them you’re all against it.

[@Nexter-Lie]

Well the difference is when racism is portrayed in something like sout Park it's typically ridiculed, or the concept of it is mocked. Such as the episode where randy says the n word. Idubbbz on the other hand didn't portray these things in a subversive manner, the joke was often just the racism. Obviously your opinion is just as valid as mine, just my thoughts on the situation

[@darknessfred4856]

@@Nexter-Lie that’s fair everyone has their own views, I personally don’t feel idubbz was or is racist it was just the jokes he was making but of the same people think hes racist when he really wasn’t. Only part that bothers me tho is penguinZ making a video on his apology trying to dismiss everything he said I don’t feel it was needed

[@shaunwagner6529]

isn’t it possible he is just genuinely reflecting on his past and how he’s dealt with it? Like Charlie says “this wasn’t so damaging that his career would be over” but maybe he just genuinely feels bad in his own opinion and wants to reflect. You don’t always need an exterior motive to apologize. Idk maybe i’m crazy

[@ceffyf1938]

Nah man I 100% agree with you. I like Charlie but this video was kinda weird

[@macandfries6765]

yeah, charlie is a human though and everyone is entitled to their opinion

[@phoenixflambe3319]

In the internet? People always assume more untrue than anything that there's an ulterior motive when apologizing.

[@platty9237]

Has his girlfriend taken over? Like is he going to become Steve shives ? Jk, I shudder just typing that guys name.

[@loveliestlies]

For real! Most people have actually forgotten about IDubbz, so that just further proves that he wasn’t just doing damage control, he genuinely feels bad and wants to make amends.

[@lunar0275]

content DEFINITELY has an impact on younger children, and also teenagers and adults. the way andrew tate has an impact on the way men act.

[@bobbart-uq5xd]

andrew tate doesn't make jokes, he's a serious person and people take him seriously. Idubbz was never taken seriously, he was a jester

[@jasminee253]

@@bobbart-uq5xd yeah a racist jester…

[@orangejuicehater8]

⁠@@bobbart-uq5xd youre not getting that children (or stupid people) dont understand the difference. the intent doesnt matter when your audience is young enough to copy everything you do

[@facelessguy23]

I mean he just critique bad content and I don't see anything bad about that

[@lazorpie]

@@orangejuicehater8 It's like WWE where they tell you "Don't try this at home" yet you would still act like a Wrestler and fight with your friends

[@arko3709]

Whether or not you think the apology was “warranted”, you have to admit that these are his genuine opinions about himself and he’s got the right to change himself. What I can’t understand is why people think his wife is behind all this, I’ve seen no proof of his wife doing anything to influence his opinions in a negative way, or what she’d have to gain from it. I feel like the people saying this kind of stuff just don’t like women or can’t get a gf

[@em-ef8be]

this.

[@richarddavies5674]

The 'this' comments are unbearably cringe. Stop

[@isolated.J]

​@@richarddavies5674This.

[@dragonprism]

'Cause the concept of the 'female manipulator' is a deeply misogynistic trope that hits home hard for the 4chan crowds and those with similar beliefs. It can't be that the dude wants to change himself (regardless of opinions on why he's changing) but it has to be the unseen hand of the all powerful pussy. That's why they say he's a simp, why he's a cuck, etc to these people. Those types of people are, to put it mildly, cringe.

[@eljasmakinen]

​@@richarddavies5674 this

[@28toxicdavid38]

Rare footage of Charlie's first bad take.

[@drewpott]

Based take actually

[@aspebb]

He's never actually had a take. He sits on the fence.

[@lukastace3154]

agreed. 90% of his takes i agree with entirely, but every now and then he'll have an astronomically bad take (in my opinion) whether it be on situations like these, moral topics, games, content, etc

[@newvision4l314]

@@aspebbgetting mad at someone for apologizing for something that doesn’t even effect you is jumping off of the fence, ffs

[@2goblinsinatrenchcoat]

Alternate title: I Can Excuse Racism, but I Draw the Line at Animal Cruelty.

[@hana-rv6ru]

lmao i remember when he did his celebrity tier list and one guy (football player i think) had a dog fighting ring and critikal and matt were talking/joking about how much they hate animal abuse compared to “more serious” crimes

[@greensabr200]

When was idubbz racist though lol

[@allybrookeaf79]

@@greensabr200 a good vhunk of his youtube career 🙄

[@greensabr200]

@@allybrookeaf79 so everyone who ever used the word cracker is also racist

[@2goblinsinatrenchcoat]

@@greensabr200 you win the award for dumbest question asked in a KZbin comment section

[@scottm99]

imo as long as the apology is sincere, there’s no reason for anyone but idubbbz to decide whether it was necessary or not. it was his own choice to make based on his personal growth. also, the impact of idubbbz old videos was very real, regardless of intent, and to minimize that fact is harmful

[@andrewesau51]

It's a free country. If people want to criticize a decision they can. Just like Idubbz was free to apologize Charlie is also able to criticize that decision. I feel like Idubbz apology comes off as moral grandstanding. To me personally. That's just my opinion which I'm allowed to have. As I said free country.

[@DarchrowTheEnigma]

I've been on KZbin for years but I really never watched any idubbz videos, can you tell me what kind of impact he had back then ? Like, what was his content like ? I just need some sort of context as to why he would need to apologize and be brought up into drama after many years.

[@yonicepaprika7534]

Pewdiepie to this day hasn’t acknowledged this lmao

[@Vidar93]

​@@DarchrowTheEnigma He was essentially the stereotype of "edgy" in like 2015-2018. He would call out people who were being shitty to others. He would say really profane things but not from a place of hate but for the sake of being edgy. An example was his content cop on leafy. Leafy was essentially a commentary channel and he would bully random people and kids on the internet. He would say all sorts of cruel and hurtful shit even for like 2016. So Idubbz made a video basically calling leafy out for being a bully and making fun of him the same way he would to others. Idubbz can choose to apologize and feel bad about the content he made but I very much feel like charlie here that some words he used may not have been the best but he wasn't the harbinger of hatred and bigotry that he was making himself out to be.

[@ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord]

@@andrewesau51 💯 Idubbz is another Ethan Klein, imo. His content stagnated and this is a way to keep himself relevant. Watching him desperately try to convince the internet that he’s fine with his girlfriend’s OnlyFans is disturbing, too. She’s the reason for this apology, if you ask me. When you see them on videos together it’s like he has Stockholm syndrome. He’s got the same tattoos as she does. She also answers any questions he’s asked, whilst he sits there looking like a scolded puppy. She’s a wannabe breadtuber, and he’s dutifully copying her attitude; because he’s cucked. It’s pathetic, frankly.

[@lucasmorales2379]

Of course you don’t see the scope of the damage Idubbz had because you’re not on the receiving end.

[@infoscrolls]

uhh uhh muh mean words

[@GarbyBoi]

i dont really get what's going on in the comment section here. this was barely an appology it was a way to fight back the people who say they miss the old iddubz, many people from the 2015 crew like maxmofoe and chad and many others like ksi or even pewdiepie slowly changed their content in different ways without having to shit on their old fans (who also were young and edgy and also might've grown out of it). You dont need to dedicated 2-3 videoes and go podcast after podcast to appologies for being edgy 8 to 9 years ago when everyone else was. you dont see all of the 2016 edgelords saying they'll never forgive themselves for being edgy 8 years ago. be realistic.

[@vindikaktus]

@@infoscrolls Preteen youtube commenter doesn't think bigotry is real. More news at 11.

[@Trynt33]

Yeah, that's how perspectives work? It's why empathy exists to help us understand each other in ways some might not have personally experienced but we can still understand each other and try to make some positive change for those who are affected negatively

[@bobafett4452]

​@@vindikaktus cope

[@zimmerman1031]

I disagree with the weaklings that think this is a bad take. I think it is nuanced, and compassionate. If you are offended, you are the type to race bait, and stoke the flames of racial hatred. Idubbbz seems like he's being brainwashed, and it's sad. It was a moment in time where he might have made the wrong choices, but it was funny to a certain extent. It may be offensive, but that is how humor works. If you can't see that, you should just take a seat and keep your whining to yourself.

[@jayfike2315]

Idubbbz: Genuinely apologizing for wrongdoing and past actions Charlie “Well actually that’s a bad take” 🤓

[@fumomofumosarum5893]

you should get yourself checked, man, you're brainwashed...

[@joshstubs2927]

Another iCuckkkz fan coming out of the wet works.

[@Dctctx]

When Charlie unironically is the one with a bad take

[@stupidvaniial]

So what you’re saying is that someone can’t be wrong? You know he’s not an ai you get to judge and make fun of when it’s wrong, he’s done stuff like this before and when he got criticized for it; he apologized. As he most likely will with this situation

[@renerebbase7050]

idubbbz didn't do anything wrong though, the society just went wrong after 2020

[@MonieNez]

It's not your apology to accept man. It takes balls to accept that you may be part of the problem and he did that. As someone who watched his videos when i was a preteen i genuinely thought saying slurs was okay. intent does not matter he was setting a bad example regardless. Slurs make people feel unsafe/uncomfortable.

[@L-Bird-s3r]

Them, not the newer generation. We're trying to break that mold. Why do you want to perpetuate boomer problems?

[@fandyus4125]

Slurs make people feel unsafe/uncomfortable but they really shouldn't. Not unless the person in question is a kindergartener.

[@ouroboros8529]

@@fandyus4125 if I'm walking down the street and someone calls me a slur I'm going to feel unsafe and uncomfortable. if I hear someone saying slurs in a hateful way I am going to feel unsafe and uncomfortable. on the flip side, if I hear someone reclaiming a slur, then that's their own right and that's cool too. it's not all black and white dawg

[@anthony452]

​​@@L-Bird-s3r lol, gtfo. The newer generation has zero concern about using slurs and hateful rhetoric against those they consider their political/ideological opponents.

[@Ollybollyk]

A lot of people from that time forget that these slurs meant nothing when they were being used. Slurs only make people uncomfortable when they've been taught to feel uncomfortable hearing them, and that shouldn't ever be normalised. Part of the reason they are so common on the internet is specifically because people give those words too much attention in person. Trying to pretend these slurs are genuinely harmful is giving power to meaningless letter combinations and breaths of air for no reason other than to refuse solving a bigger problem. It's like using medication to survive debris from a penetration wound, but refusing to remove the debris. The problem never ends if you don't address it.

[@jackiehedges320]

It's kinda weird to critique someone simply telling us how they feel.

[@phrog4331]

THIS‼️‼️‼️‼️ agree so much!

[@hwabag7]

Well, if you post a public video of yourself on the internet, you are asking for people to critique you

[@KrunkCobain]

It's kinda weird how so many people in your age group all say the same exact things in the same exact way

[@samuelhong4272]

if you feel like a bitch then I think criticism is fair.

[@pussydestroyer69285]

​@@hwabag7 obviously. And ofc there will also be people criticizing the critiques. That is the interest lol

[@zeno3062]

If that's how iDubbbz truly feel, then he has every right to apologize. And it's up to the community that would be affected by his content who can truly accept or reject his apology. At the end of the day, the apology video is only for those who was negatively affected by his old content.

[@feefeedee9865]

He’s just in damage control mode from banning froggy. This is how he’s furthering his justification for it. Nothing he said was that bad, he never called someone a slur. He literally only said the words to make fun of people who used them, or in a context where he was saying the words just to point out they shouldn’t have any power over people, and all words are okay to use, and only hateful intent is bad

[@femboyfoxfurry2603]

@@feefeedee9865 you gotta be brain dead to think all this is just a distraction from froggy 😭

[@feefeedee9865]

@@femboyfoxfurry2603 the timing of the apology was. He’s been backpedaling for years now. Ever since he married that one girl and took her last name, he’s been a broken man. Just a virgin who got trapped by a snake - sadly

[@cynicat74]

If you were "negatively affected by his old content", you don't belong on the Internet.

[@mrcool1519]

I'm brown, I use edgy humor all the time...what now cuck?

[@GBart]

If you're able to cringe at your past self, that means you've grown. That's a good thing.

[@nickbrowning3270]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[@brunemmm]

@@nickbrowning3270 bro thinks hes a sith lord💀

[@pricklypear3625]

No, it means you've changed. That doesn't necessarily mean "grown".

[@rottensteak508]

When I cringe at my past self I wonder if I’ll always be cringey, just growing to recognize the past and not noticing the present, which is terrifying

[@pigboy2402]

@@brunemmm it's a joke goofball

[@lefatrat2598]

I agree with the idea that he doesn't *have* to apologise for the content he created 7 years ago, but I believe if he *wants* to apologise for it then he should be allowed to. If he genuinely feels bad for the impact he had on people then he has every right to apologise. In my eyes he didn't make this decision to satisfy his audience, he did it for himself

[@NinjaFresh]

Yeah but it is gay and cringe. If he was really sorry he'd just move past it, but no he must prostrate himself on the alter of societal mainstream wokeness. Now he has his good boy points and morons lap it up.

[@cobblecola]

@Bozo Central no the point that charlie made was that the apology was unneeded and that idubbz is over exaggerating the effect he had on people back in the day (which is not true)

[@kazujaja]

Definitely agree that Ian genuinely did this for himself, (which is a good thing)

[@Kimmaline]

Charlie legit said that Ian spammed slurs, and that isn't hurtful. Huh? I agree that Dubbz took down some good people with ContentCop, but having been the target of a lot of targeted harassment I can get why he feels like he does. Watching what his audience has done to his wife? Holy shit.

[@cookiesncream9158]

I mean I don’t have trouble comprehending the idea that he might have also done this to make it clear to the racists who already subscribe to him, and the future ones who may watch is older videos to denounce their ideology for the sake of the actual people who have to suffer because of them? I get what you’re saying but at the end of the day, his guilt for his past will never compare to the abuse marginalized have had to and will have to face, and that he’s spent his career promoting, and it’s tone deaf if you can’t see how anyone but he can benefit from his platformed apology for and denouncing of bigoted ideology.

[@yamama847]

it feels like he didnt even watch the video at all....

[@syn_tax940]

Let’s be honest, idubbbz made vids that essentially advocated for the use of slurs. Kids at my school would literally quote his vids to justify their use of these words, so I get why idubbbz feels like he should apologize.

[@TheCthulhucakes]

this is exactly how it was at my highschool 5 years ago as well.

[@Sqeaky6969]

I think what makes me skeptical is why now? No one has really brought up his past or called him racist at least en masse, it's been a few years since he's been like that but why is he apologizing about it now and not when he was trying to transition his content? To me it seems like he's deflecting people are criticizing him for the way he is now and all the creator clash drama and not wanting to take accountability, he should be apologizing for that and trying to make up with those guys. It's good that he'll be donating to help people who could be affected by things like slurs amongst other things but it really feels like a hey look at the shiny thing and not the mess over here

[@xTom4Tomx]

No. He advocated for context over content. It was right then and is right now. If people misrepresent that for their own nefarious purposes then they willfully CHANGE the context. Thus its still right.

[@ultimaxkom8728]

Our future selves disappointed at our past selves just per usual. **Cough** Yes this is my projection.

[@andrewolfgang389]

just because you say nigger doesn't mean you're racist.

[@LomaGnome]

Regardless of the side of an issue you're on, expressing regret for your past is totally normal. Power to him for seeing something he doesn't like about himself, and deciding to change.

[@theolympiyn8670]

@The Wandering k huh?

[@CultishLamb]

@The Wandering k what are you on?

[@SSelkie3]

@The Wandering k ...what

[@PeruvianPotato]

​@Puzzle Pottage This and the fact he was 27 when he was in his heydays

[@Meta9871]

@@CultishLamb took me exactly 5 seconds to google it, he's not wrong

[@billputney2533]

I personally interpreted what Ian was talking about a little different than Charlie. By apologizing for “normalizing that kind of behavior”, I don’t think he was solely referring to criticizing bad creators like how Charlie interpreted it. I think Ian was referring to how he would normalize his own edgy behavior and that would lead to terrible behavior from his fans in real life. Ian himself wouldn’t act with hatred, but he did encourage impressionable fans who don’t fully understand the nuance of edgy humor to act hatefully and spread slurs. He understands that it was a different time, but he can still apologize for what happened. And by just subtlety changing his content, he felt it was “weak” cause it wasn’t enough to make up for what he did. This was an opportunity for him to officially shake off the toxic fans of his past and to admonish that kind of behavior for the future, instead of only allowing people perceptive to the changes to his channel to fully recognize that

[@senismarsenis9678]

Meh, poeple got their own heads. If not him - then someone else would "inspire" those dumbasses to do dumb stuff :3

[@humphreybiggins8295]

i think this is a good way to sum up this “situation”

[@eleonarcrimson858]

I mean it is not gonna change the people who he already, I guess, thinks he influenced in a bad way. This was more of a video for himself to take burden off of his chest and feel a little bit guilt free. At least thats what i got from that.

[@Reneux]

@@eleonarcrimson858 I don't think so. I get the impression he doesn't think the burden will ever really be gone. "it is not gonna change the people who he already, I guess, thinks he influenced in a bad way". Exactly, he completely agrees with this statement, and that's what he regrets.

[@eleonarcrimson858]

@@Reneux ya exactly. Thats why i said it is for himself. If you realize you are not changing anything, then the only possible reason would be for yourself.(not saying thats bad btw)

[@TheShadowPenguin911]

The internet is too soft these days man, Charlie is right, cry about it nerds

[@me61840]

the Internet is too accepting of racism and bigotry, go cry about it freak.

[@TKdrizzle]

@@me61840 Yeah, like 7 years ago. Nowadays, it's too sensitive. If you make one dark joke, people would abolish you to the 9th circle of hell. And now that I think about it, 7 years ago, the US wasn't as focused on race. And it wasn't as close to being racist as it is today.

[@Heebie-Deebies]

I feel like Charlie's coming at it from a perspective of Idubbz "needing" to make an apology, but he didn't have to. He wanted to, and I think its extremely mature for him to acknowledge his past content, openly move on from it, and be clear to his fans that never grew up that its cringe as fuck to stay in that 2016 era

[@ALynn127]

Pretty spot on. If you knoe the atrioc situation, it's like when people defended him. He didn't want people to do that because he knew what he did was bad and wanted to hold himself accountable. So it's not really a question of whether or not they needed to.

[@JJMcCullough]

Agree completely. People have taken Ian's agency away from him, portraying him as if he's simply doing what some other external cultural force has "made" him do, when I think there's no evidence of that all.

[@connoryup574]

Nailed it. I wouldn’t even say it’s the content itself he’s apologizing for, at least from what I’ve seen so far, but more the culture his content created. He was pretty much the face of internet edginess, and a lot of people, specifically people who were in middle school/high school at that time, picked up his humor and ran with it. Even though a lot of those people have moved on, grew up, and no longer hold those views, there is still a sizeable portion who haven’t, and still act that way, and constantly shittalk Ian because he no longer makes that type of content. I completely understand why Ian would come out and make this video. You can still feel the effect his content had online to this day.

[@blades6351]

What's more cringe is being in the 2023 radical leftist era

[@kattnappe]

@@JJMcCulloughhi JJ I luv you!!

[@shanealex4782]

As a black person that grew up watching idubbz, I understand yet question some of Charlie's points. I found enjoyment watching his content cops and i do believe they called out people where they were wrong. However, I feel that his use of slurs led me to grow up thinking it was okay. It led me to accept a lot of racism from people as I didn't think it was wrong. I think Ian's impact on young viewers led many to echo this rhetoric in their daily lives, though im sure many people matured out of it as the internet changed. I think it was entirely fine that Idubbz felt the need to officially address his past content. Charlies critisms didn't feel necessary. It can be easy to label the use of slurs as not offensive "shock factor" humor when they aren't targeted towards you. Edit: i dont think idubbz is a bad person, i was a fan growing up and i support him changing as a person.

[@victoria-9307]

thank you for putting this out there, because i had the same sentiments and didn't really know how to express them.

[@its4bekah]

fully agree

[@mohammedabdul4832]

Go back to da cotton field

[@zusurs]

So, what's your point then? You were not offended, nobody else was offended, everybody got some laughs out of that and just moved on with their lives. But these days everyone seems to rethinking every single word they read/hear, getting butthurt and offended every time someone says "nigga" or "cracker" or "fatty" or whatever, and cries about that on the internet. What the f*ck have happened to the internet I loved so much in early 2000s?! No stupid self-censorship, everybody openly told what they though, and nobody was butthurt all the time. It seems that society have lost balls and get weak af.

[@evaaa1929]

Exactly, plus honestly, Charlie isn't really the target audience that idubzz apologized to, so its weird to me that he tries to make it about himself

[@tiagobonella1727]

man.. the guy was talking about how he feels. nobody should be allowed to tell if the way he feels about his past is right or wrong

[@end.olives]

Thats a bunch of nonsense. People cant have opnions?

[@end.olives]

Seem like every comment supporting idubbbz is made by children or twinks

[@ughust]

@@end.olives Charlie can have an opinion but it genuinely holds no weight or value to Ian's own experiences. Like another commenter said, Ian's video feels like a confession and an honest show of remorse. There's nothing to be criticized here, to be honest, that's why Charlie's video seems off. There's not an opinion to be had over Ian's own feelings over his own past. They are his feelings?

[@popninja8658]

The way he feels about his past is very, very wrong.

[@tiagobonella1727]

@@end.olives sure, you can have opinions.. but this situation was so personal. it is not like someone else can understand his feelings better than him

[@vinay1476]

this comment section is hilarious. The amount of softies in this comment section is crazy

[@-Scrapper-]

You're so cool and manly

[@zh.4394]

Most of the are not even subscribers just came here to share their precious criticism and thoughts with us lmao

[@Leaf4825]

@@zh.4394They came from twitter and reddit lol they don’t care they just want to bitch about it

[@CalinJohnson-jh7oh]

@@-Scrapper-fr, a real sigma

[@Wow-vw6ws]

@@CalinJohnson-jh7ohur weird asf for not wanting someone to apologize for being racist. Get mental help.

[@eris_522]

this apology feels like a good closure for idubbbz and his past. if he felt this video was necessary then so be it.

[@xqzqcv7950]

He should have explored his feelings of Imposter syndrome with a licensed professional, not trauma dump on the internet what a evil monster!?! he used to be and how everything he used to make was EVUL*tm* ontologically. And pretty much saying the people he made videos on were like.. beyond reproach? What other take is there really

[@saramwaqas]

Nah yall are just too sensitive now and need to make everyone feel like they can’t make a joke

[@beter21137]

Basically, for me this video is the same as like if he would say he would stop making videos and follow other paths. This just close the iDubzz channel. And what will be next woll not be iDubbzz

[@lavendersvenus]

@@saramwaqas sensitive to what? Racism?

[@worldblazin4209]

Yes I agree. Thanks some could verbally explain what I couldnt put to words. Thank you mister/misses.

[@pennclick]

I don't think he did this out of a place of obligation, he did it because it was making him uncomfortable. This apology video *was* the video he wanted to make, essentially.

[@slothschewgum]

he did it because his “wife’s” boyfriend told him to*

[@lobsterairsoft499]

Can't it be both? That he feels guilty for the pain he has caused, and therefore obligated to address it?

[@OriNyte]

@@slothschewgum Source?

[@yeyeyeyeyeyeyyeyey]

I agree. The fact he’s more critical of himself than others are of him is not surprising, it’s human. If I did something I saw as bad, I am going to be the one to carry that full burden of guilt, but anyone else will just see it as another thing

[@mishaaskar]

​@@OriNyte me

[@lynxbelow6922]

Leafy was a bully, Keem was a liar, RiceGum was a shithill. Frankly worthy of the criticism he gave them. Leafy especially just struck me as a menace because he didn't care about civilian casualties.

[@carterellison699]

Cuz you making leafy sound like a war criminal 💀😭😭

[@kartickdornahalli8637]

Civilian casualties 😂

[@h.n.r_funi3324]

You're just soft af lol "civilian casualties" 🤓 "leafy is a menace" 🤓

[@edclink5068]

Dunno why we're talking about them, that was a while ago, we're talking about what Idubbz wants to do now

[@charlestint7721]

I feel like everyone that u have mention have grown up and matured to an extent, especially rice. he was doing it all for a money grab tbh.

[@emilydeze9930]

If he’s uncomfortable he should apologize. That’s what you should do.

[@MikeOcksmallClips]

Idubbz is right, you shouldn’t ever be mean even if it’s for comedic purposes. YT should be a safe space for all people and no one should have freedom of speech.

[@emilydeze9930]

@@MikeOcksmallClips I agree being hateful is never the answer

[@TaylorYdg]

@@MikeOcksmallClips freedom of speech means the government can’t censor you, how are you slur-desperate weirdos STILL not understanding this?

[@xTheBOISx]

​@@emilydeze9930 so if someone was trying to kill you and your family, you wouldn't be hateful towards them?

[@sceptumrook8538]

​@@xTheBOISxwhy would you choose to hate someone. becoming blinded by hate in that scenario would leave you senseless and crazy. And this is a stupid scenario you chose, everyone would react emotionally since you're at a chance of losing an emotional attachment, it's a normal human reaction. But it is not ok to hate others regardless, you can live a happier life without hate.

[@TheNINDLE]

This generation is so damn soft

[@Paul180]

Yes wtf. I can't believe the soyness in here

[@Gta4isgarbage]

It's soft to not have racism normalized? You boomers are such clowns

[@Gta4isgarbage]

God forbid people not having the same humor as me.

[@meatystalactite531]

Holy shit I know. I’ve been scrolling through and it’s just hordes of perma-online people.

[@solnassant1291]

Apologizing doesn’t mean he meant harm, or it’s unforgivable. I think a point of maturing is to realize harm happens even when you didn’t mean to? And if it keeps happening, you can notice there’s a pattern, you’re at the source of it, and be sorry for it. He’s probably sorry for causing harm and that’s OK.

[@bidenonabender5903]

why does he even asume it was a insult? he seems to do this for conntent so people watching him might actually be curious what his wifes boyfriend thinks about the videos... he knows it is a insult because he is aware how messed up everything is, but he is trapped between this life and not having anybody.

[@_melodyx]

yes like why is charlie treating an apology from a content creator that was clearly the source of bigotry towards marginalized groups as someone being sent to his doomsday? what's wrong with some people thinking you are being held against your will if you so much so utter a much needed apology coming from an individual who has truly matured?

[@bibimbap5917]

​@@_melodyx probably because deep down Charli is also a bigot and he feels called out

[@_melodyx]

@@bibimbap5917 true

[@squibble8524]

@@bibimbap5917 Why would you think Charlie is a bigot? Are you just inferencing from the video or does he express bigoted ideals in other videos?

[@AstrixCloud]

IDubbbz making an apology while looking like an 80s movie cop was pretty funny lmao.

[@captainforrix956]

Dude is looking kinda rough, like a cross between a deep-Appalachian redneck and your average overnight gas station clerk

[@bluz1864]

Kurtis Connor twin

[@megadouche]

​@@bluz1864 Yuh

[@JCTrev13]

80's GAY PORN movie cop.

[@tsurie6634]

Hey, the moviecop community is now seriously hurt. Please dont make fun of them. I demand an apology.

[@bnvs1024]

What an unbelievably stupid take to have on the RARE occasion someone tries to take responsibility for their shitty behavior

[@sometimeslol5578]

i feel like ur going on the opposing side now, its his audience that responsible for their own actions ur arguing that art belongs only to the author when as soon as its created it isnt people will do whatever with it and that's on them.

[@lumenla]

@@sometimeslol5578 bro that doesn't even make sense

[@StuffAndMemes]

Nothing shitty about being funny

[@GoldenWreck]

@@StuffAndMemes *Nothing funny about being shitty. Fixed the typo for you, bud.

[@thebigbrownrat2669]

​@@lumenla refer to the concept of "death of the author"

[@moizm2]

As a brown person writing this comment, I actually agree with critical. This comment section rlly is just full of snowflakes lmao.

[@aAnubis7281]

dude idubbz was literally racist and homophobic… people aren’t snowflakes for being offended by the shit he would say what the fuck are u saying 💀💀

[@quEEnbItch999]

As a fellow brown person, it's beyond disgusting to me how ud disregard the impact Ian's content has left behind, just to appease a rando internet influencer...

[@moizm2]

@quEEnbItch999 BRUH Ian didn’t impact anyone at all lmaooo I went to a primarily white school and yea there was racism but I knew why they were doing it and it wasn’t cuz of Ian. Ian wasn’t that mainstream at all hardly anyone knew him, it was like only kids that were just on the internet or youtube all day that knew him. Yes what Ian said was wrong but I don’t think he impacted like the amount of ppl this comment section is making it seem like. I was in 8th grade-10th grade around this time and I mean barely anyone watched his videos it was like only the gamer kids, which I was one of them and I was in the minority

[@camharkness]

Except if your precious Charlie didn't cut out the reasons Ian felt the way he did you wouldn't call everyone snowflakes. He had a trans fan legit be afraid to approach him, because they thought he instantly hated them. That, and every time one of his white fans saw him, they'd scream the n word. And that gets to a point that, especially as a grown adult, you want to distance yourself from that.

[@moizm2]

@@camharkness BRUH do not be speakin to me with a persona pfp lmaoooo. Ur game publicly hates gay people and trans people. Second, I agree those white fans that would scream the n word is wrong and the fact that the trans person that was too scared to come up I understand why they were scared to but my point is that people are making it seem like Ian committed a genocide. Idubbbz was not popular at all when I was at school you had to be either a gamer kid or just an incel to like idubbbz. Ppl are making it seem like he was like the biggest content creator who was just responsible for making an entire generation edgy which is NOT TRUE at all. I knew racist ppl at my school and I would try to talk to them and Ik why they were the way they are and it isn’t cuz of idubbbz.

[@angeldelgado7120]

I always thought it was funny how Ian acted like he didnt know his fanbase was extreme 12 to 15 year olds. So, when he came out with his girl being on onlyfans he acted like he expected better from his fanbase. He cultivated those fans, he made that community.

[@lukeblue7700]

yeah but he was slowly changing as a person + his views were too, he probably expected his fans to grow with him? Idk I aint a tuber

[@andrewacacia9851]

@@lukeblue7700 and yet he still makes fun of fat people, it's really fun how everyone that was edgy started to change when the edgy shit didn't make has much money anymore.

[@satzbau9185]

@@lukeblue7700 He changed because he's an easily manipulated person, first by the algorithm and society, and then by his succubus wife

[@lil7725]

To be fair, it’s not really an “extreme” thing to mock someone for having an onlyfans.

[@eleonarcrimson858]

Weren’t his fanbase like 18-20 by the time he announced his onlyfans thing?

[@MusicJunkie37]

16:24 "You didn't ruin anybody's life, you didn't create an army full of racists and bigots" intentional or not he helped normalize such language and as a result spawn more people like that

[@hyperviewed]

and he quite literally did help to create an army of bigots. i was like 14/15 when idubbbz was at his peak and damn near every friend i had was watching idubbbz and spitting slurs on the regular bc of how he treated them LMFAO. idk why charlie is trying so hard to say absolutely nothing of substance

[@fart63]

It was well known that Ian and that general group of people had an extremely bizarre and gross fanbase. At least for those years, fanbases didn’t use to be so outspoken or widespread like they are on twitter now

[@masterqookie7660]

There will always be people like that he had no effect

[@hyperviewed]

@@masterqookie7660 of course there will always be people like that thats not an argument, but someone like younger me would NOT have ever been that person if not for his contrnt. i can say the same for basically anyone i knew in like my first two years of high school, his videos directly influenced us to act in awful waysand say horrible things

[@Lawnmower737]

@@hyperviewed That’s not Idubbbz fault though, that’s like saying we should censor out scenes of Good Fellas or Spaceballs because kids might be watching.

[@lukechase6346]

Glad Charlie has takes like this that I 100% disagree with to keep the parasocial relationship at bay

[@micalzoncillo249]

amen

[@airanator1212]

Too real

[@adrian-js9zw]

you’re so real for that

[@jazzlynnoel3265]

Fr

[@anemicVeins]

So true

[@legion8649]

There was a really sad part of the video where he talked about an interaction he had with a trans fan. The fan assumed he wouldn’t like them because of it, but still wanted a picture, and he said that was a major wake up call because he realized that not only was his perception among others, that’s what others were getting out of his content. I think that’s the core of what this video was about, and I think it’s true

[@whck]

right!! that part of the video was so important. weird thst charlie cut it out

[@Elenuay]

That's incredible. Good on him for owning up to it, I respect that a lot. I can't believe people are shitting on him for this now.

[@plasmanip3998]

@@whckmaybe shows how Charlie doesn’t understand the reason why Ian is apologizing. I don’t think Charlie understands how harmful casual racism & bigotry can be.

[@xjadasimsx]

@@plasmanip3998 I mean, why would he? Most (not all obviously) white people are casually racist every day without even realizing it. It’s so intertwined with society that people don’t care. Like Charlie calling it being “edgy” is crazy enough lol. Being racist isn’t edgy it’s racist.

[@Nothisndhdudjdjdj]

@@xjadasimsxexcept when it’s against white ppl. Nah save ur shit intent matters

[@buubaku]

Wow, its almost like he addressed the fact that you can do harm regardless of your intentions IN THE VIDEO

[@Devin7Eleven]

What harm? Did he shoot someone? Death threats with validity? Stab? If people got harmed over words, they got some actual growth and maturing to do. I’m not excusing him being “mean” if he was being authentic but if it was funny edgy humor, then you all need to get over yourselves and laugh at yourselves.

[@admiralkaede]

lol

[@thatcorpse]

​@@Devin7Eleven damaging someone's mental wellbeing with words 'can' be harmful. Is it always? No. But if you contributed to ruining someone's self worth, that's harmful. Even if it wasn't your intent.

[@buubaku]

@d-7113 he cultivated a community of dickheads who think its ok to call people slurs. He made racists more comfortable expressing their verbal bile. If you see someone verbally abusing another person and you blame the victim for being emotionally affected by that abuse, you are an anti-social, apathetic loser. Have some humanity you prick. It's the cunts who think it's ok to resurrect dehumanising, degrading terms for their own putrid entertainment that have "some actual growth and maturing to do". Tldr: grow up

[@francescawhite4166]

​@d-7113 the harm was cultivating a fan base that would literally commit hate crimes 😭😭 I like Idubbz but every content creator is responsible for the community they create

[@MrAkabane1]

Idubbz: "Here is what I feel about my own content that I made. Here is WHY I made it, here was my intent when making it, here's what I'd hoped it would do and this is why I regret it." Charlie: "I disagree"

[@Nootlest]

Ok is there anything wrong with disagreeing?

[@elledena4732]

LMAO literally

[@botanicalitus4194]

basically 😂

[@WolfenDay]

@@Nootlest No. It's just kinda completely useless and superfluous when you do it like this.

[@pinkmatter8488]

Disagreeing with someone saying "I'm sorry and I've changed" is pretty crazy ngl, and it feels like a projection. This video is an L overall I'm sorry.

[@GordonFreeman420]

I still cant believe the top comments mainly talk about how idubbbz content had an impact on kids and therefore he should be burned on the internet stake. My guy, blame the parents that let their kids watch ADULT CONTENT. If you wouldn’t get mad at American horror story for having an impact on kids because its adult rated, why would you be mad about kids finding KZbin adult content💀

[@mandoy2080]

No ones saying he should be burnt to the stake, they're saying Charlie totally underestimates the consequences of Idubbbz actions, because he's downplaying them. They're criticizing charlie for not realizing why Idubbbz is addressing his past behavior.

[@GordonFreeman420]

@@mandoy2080 im exaggerating obviously, and Charlie is well aware and isn’t downplaying it at all or failing to grasp the seriousness. The point is that idubbz content isn’t for kids anyways, it’s moreso the parents fault that they weren’t present enough to prevent their kids from seeing adult content. Idubbbz is addressing it because he doesn’t make that content anymore because he is aware of the impact it had and wouldn’t want history to repeat itself. It was a different time at the time he made it, because back then it was just edgy KZbin jokes that everybody understood was a joke. Its undeniable that there are probably people who were genuinely racist in the audience, and its clear that the effect on children was immense, but again, this was edgy KZbin content in the past, and the people who wouldn’t understand that are children who shouldn’t have been able to watch the content in the first place. Charlie didn’t underestimate the consequences of it, hes choosing to understand that Idubbbz wants to learn and grow from it. Nobody can foresee that adult content would have an effect on younger audiences.

[@mandoy2080]

@MY_F4DEDLIFE again no one is criticizing idubbbz here, they're criticizing Charlie

[@GordonFreeman420]

@@mandoy2080 sorry, misunderstood you. But i still dont think that Charlie is failing to understand how bad the consequences of idubbbz actions or downplaying them. He speaks pretty fine about it in my opinion

[@SaltySparrow]

I’ll miss the food reviews in the sewer the most.

[@theofficialrafff]

He confirmed he’ll still be doing them in the pinned comment of his apology I’m pretty sure

[@Keurgui1]

YOU BITE THE PEACH THE PEACH BITES BACK

[@nothorren]

@@Keurgui1 THE PICKLES

[@ripred]

@@Keurgui1 lmaoo

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Haha classic.

[@isabellanutella5]

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Charlie. I agree that he didn’t HAVE to make an apology. I think he wanted to make one, which is great! Good for him. But yes his style of humor has an impact. I was in middle school during that time period and kids looked up to personalities like his and used that humor against other people.

[@whitedrone4698]

then you should blame them and not the old idubz. It's like providing guns to the masses, gun is dangerous but it's up to the individual to use it for self defense/security or crime. another one is WWE where they hv warning to not imitate them, but you'll still see some kids imitate them leading to death, you can't blame WWE for providing violent entertainment, and even lil ol me back then wasn't dumb enough to imitate something dangerous. so yeah I think it's still up to the individual for what they do, if those ppl used the word to degrade/shame/bully other ppl, then it just means they are inherently bad ppl, no matter from where they learned the words from, as simple as that.

[@pumpkinclown]

@@whitedrone4698 you missed the point. your gun example isnt entirely accurate. idubbz didnt give anyone guns and let them choose how to use em, he had one himself and then showed how he used it. (if we go based off of your analogy metpahor whatever) because of the sheer amount of his fanbase and how parasocial relationships work, people looked up to him and copied him and the way he acted. the way he acted was harmful, and then there were a bunch of people doing the same harmful shit he did. its like giving someone a gun and then committing a crime, and not expecting ppl who look up to you to do the same because they see it as Acceptable Role Model Behavior.

[@pumpkinclown]

@@whitedrone4698 the individual is still at fault, but you have to think about where they learned the behavior from and how the behavior was treated in the content. wwe is consensual, wwe gives a warning not to imitate them. idubbz did not.

[@dipperpines209]

​@@whitedrone4698 nope, he's a grown man. he's responsible for the impact of the media he creates in bad faith and posts publicly. he inspired an entire era of bigots and racist teenagers.

[@tobene]

​@@whitedrone4698Ok but in your gun analogy, if idubbbz would have sent his 13 yo fans guns and someone would have committed a crime with it, obviously he would also be partly to blame. (At least in most countries)

[@bob_joe48]

the people in the comments are defending the new idubbbz who literally pissed and shit himself over sam hyde possibly coming to his event

[@Jzit-Animations]

i was going to agree bro but your profile picture

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

Why did you omit the parts where he brought up situations involving his past harassment of Tana and how he hurt some minorities in his community? Like when he mentioned a trans person who is a fan of his going up to him and saying "I know you probably don't like trans people, but can I have your autograph?" Really, Charlie? I think you missed the whole point of his video.

[@SM-nz9ff]

That says more about the Trans person actually. So she judged someone who wasn't anti trans In terms of Tana she was known for saying the n word herself so yes a comedian doing something like that is only something all sorts of comedians do. Def no reason to apologize to Tana of all people.

[@Listed_Gamer]

Because it didnt benefit his point

[@cytwama]

For real. I normally love Charlie's videos but this one was just extremely out of touch and missing the point. I hope he's able to look at the criticism of this video and recognize that it really was not the right move to make it.

[@supergorillaz]

@@SM-nz9ff i think it says more about the fear trans people face when coming up to others. people are so hateful to that community, existing in this world as a trans person is a scary thing. there’s something called the “trans panic defense,” which has held up in court..

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

@@SM-nz9ff For one, do you know what era of KZbin that was when Ian was an edgy asshole? He was calling people the f-slur left and right, so that trans person probably thought that he would also call them an f-slur. How are you so dense as to not get that? Also, what does Tana saying the n word when she was a teenager have to do with some random dude you didn't know harassing you in public, even if it was for the purpose of criticizing her? You're not doing a good job defending past Ian, and I'm pretty sure he'd clown you for this exact reason. Like that is such a mentally [redacted] argument lol

[@grunkleg.29691]

This feels like a generational difference more than anything. Like Charlie was well outta the schooling system before Ian came on the scene. You wouldn't know how bad it got unless you were there

[@nameymcnameface1834]

Then that's a parental failure thing.

[@superdomo9671]

I agree a lot of kids were influenced by Ian's behavior

[@cwjdog57]

​@@nameymcnameface1834 Claiming it's a parental fault when children are allowed without their parents in school is ridiculous. It's not the parent of child A's problem when child B starts saying slurs because of some content they saw and child A starts picking up on that same habit.

[@pintolerance785]

@@cwjdog57 A parent cant put messages into their kid so that they know saying slurs is bad? Do you not understand how parenting works?

[@kylesmith7413]

I wasn't, and it didn't. You are blaming video games for violence, boomer.

[@math1ass10]

He definetly did negatively impact a generation of early teens. Cuz a lot of young, Impresionable dudes were watching a guy who made good content, also normalise use of slurs.

[@Cobble01]

Bro I was called a n-ggerf-ggot all the time because of iDubbbz back in high school. Not just that but students would go out of their way to find me and make fun of me for being “different”. The dude normalized bigotry. Some of the guys who were iDubbbz fans in high school ended up harassing me as adults to the point where I had to get police involved. I’m 22 now.

[@JamesBarton-Johns]

@@Cobble01im sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately idubbz would say these things for shock value but anyone who actually watched his videos would pretty quickly realize that he never actually spreaded bigoted messages. Unfortunately a lot of his viewers weren’t smart to realize this and just his use of the words was enough for them to have ammunition. Just remember though, that these kids who harassed you would have done so regardless of what idubbz may have said

[@88WearyExile]

​@Cobble01 That sucks, dude. I'm sorry. Hopefully, they didn't call you things like "p-ssy re-ard" or "J-zz junkie." That'd be hurtful. Good luck, mate.

[@Cobble01]

@@JamesBarton-Johns Actually no, I’m pretty confident they were all directly influenced by iDubbbz and any similar KZbinrs at the time. Hate is learned. I wasn’t even extraordinarily different - I was a black, skinny, quiet kid. Their favorite KZbinr taught them making fun of minorities was acceptable behavior and they grew with that mentality into adulthood.

[@JamesBarton-Johns]

@@Cobble01 once again. Im sorry that happened to you. But I just want to point out that idubbz never spread any kind of hateful message. He definitely said certain slurs too much, but he never actually preached hate against any group of people. These kids that copied his words already had that hate in them. I actually liked idubbz during that time and that never translated to me harassing anyone in person or online. But hearing one guy say n***** f***** didn’t make he hate gay black people suddenly. And none of this makes it okay to say things like that and obviously too many of his viewers were too stupid but I always just saw it as shock value/ satirical

[@perfectenrager]

The funniest thing is Charlie has been right about him. In the comments section there are so many iDubbbz stans that can't stand what is Charlie saying. iDubbbz is nothing but a complete liar and a fake person. He did this only because he can not make money due to KZbin's ad suitability and also due to new KZbin policies. He always called out simps but turns out is one of the biggest simp ever. Saying that he hurt people and won't do it while at the same time laughing at his opponent's dead mother before boxing match just really shows who he has been all along.

[@icedoutjj977]

yeah your brain is clearly rotted 😭. the original video is him GENUINELY apologizing for the things you said. this video by critical is literally him saying that there’s no reason he should be apologizing for those things(implying that the things iDubzzz did in the past are not racist , or not worth an apology).

[@BeanerMan13]

Idubbz: I made this content with hate in my heart. I'm sorry. Charlie: *I* don't think his content seemed hateful...

[@A1phaz0ne]

Charlie: "it was normal to say that back then" Bruh, is Charlie okay? How'd he come up with such a horrid take? Dude's logic in this video is so flawed 💀💀💀💀

[@fart63]

That’s what makes this so dumb is that Ian is straight up saying “I made this content to be hateful. It garnered a hateful audience” about his OWN content and intentions and Charlie and many others are saying “well no I don’t think so”

[@ultimaxkom8728]

I don't like strawbe- No, you do.

[@ka7rwkarma]

​@@A1phaz0ne it was normal though, I'm pansexual and I agree with that take.

[@HeyItsStephx]

Because he doesnt want his comment section to be be like that apology video

[@immagamer11]

When I was a kid being shown idubbbz videos from classmates, it made me and other people feel okay to say things that hurt others, the people that were hurt then, is who idubbbz is apologizing to, not his fans, the people affected by his impact.

[@TchSktch]

me too. ive been very proud of myself to have grown into the person I am now, and it's made me pretty happy to see him come out and admit the same while condemning his past behaviour that we all used to justify our own.

[@cadem.1017]

Well said

[@TheCalmPsycho]

Which is really unfortunate. Most of the harm done wasn't by Ian himself, it was done by kids and teens who lacked parental engagement in their lives. And this isn't me saying that you are or were stupid, but that kids are stupid. Kids don't have high concept functionality, kids tend to take things at face value and go along with things. What we are seeing with Ian is the adults in the room knowing that he isn't responsible for parents neglecting their children, and a bunch of very young adults blaming Ian for their decisions as children who simply couldn't know any better and who didn't have parents teaching their kids values. It is not up to the rest of the world to intuit the values of invisible children they don't know even exist who aren't being raised by their parents. Let me put it this way. If a parent allows their child to spend the parent's money on a video game that is made for, marketed to, and rated for adults, is it the video game company's fault for raising a kid who isn't acting properly? Or is it the parent's fault for not paying attention and not being involved in their child's life. Any adult could tell you back then that you shouldn't have been watching his content, that it was for adults only. I disagree with a great many things Ian has said and done both past and present, but as an adult both back then and now, I don't place him on this impossible pedestal that no one can ever hope to achieve like you seem to placed him on. Those people you hurt could have not been hurt simply by your parents instilling you with values. You were a kid, kids do stupid things, but you shouldn't blame strangers who don't even know you exist for your actions as an individual, child or adult, that just isn't right.

[@Slypooch]

It is ok to say those things depending on context.

[@Frikcha]

he didn't make content for children, if I'm 11 and watch django and then go around saying the n word its because I'm a dumb child not because of a movie

[@badkss]

No pets, no sighs, no fake crying, no dancing. 10/10 apology

[@fart63]

When is the idubbz interpretive dance in his underwear apology

[@badkss]

@@fart63 I'm looking forward to that one!

[@SeminarioMAE]

Damage control because his previous got ratioed. 1/10 apology.

[@angelelelelalalalalelae]

dancing, naw those fake apologies are sometimes crazy 💀💀💀

[@NYTROPROTOGEN]

I'm so glad someone brought this up

[@xxghastlytonerxx]

People being mad at Charlie for this is the most pathetic thing I’ve seen in a while, y’all need to log off Twitter

[@asmrtpop2676]

Charlie is the one being pathetic. 🤡

[@pinheadlarry553]

You blindly follow him.