People are WRONG about Thrill of the Hunt...

[@dmoorf]

New Thrill being more oppressive than it used to be doesn't automatically make it OP when Calm Spirit/Counterforce literally means every single scream build in the game is void. When there is a literal perfect counter build for something, then it can't possibly be OP, people need to get a reality check on what OP and uncounterable actually mean. Is it oppressive? yes, but not OP. Does it suck that Calm Spirit takes it from 46 seconds to over 60, sure, then bring Counterforce to bring it back down to just over 50 and then even further the more you cleanse. If at least half your team is doing gens, while you're giving a good chase/doing totems, then the hex builds do nothing. I've already seen scream hex builds get demolished in low to mid tier games from quite a few people running Calm Spirit/Counterforce. People just need to stop bitching because they have to change their build and add in a perk or 2 they'd prefer not to, you don't always get your way, get over it. Keep in mind that Thrill at 10% was completely useless, ergo hex builds for the most part didn't work, now at 14% gives the ability to actually go over and defend a totem that was almost undefendable before, therefore just figure out a way to counter it, if screaming is the prime way that killers abuse it, then Calm Spirit is your friend. If they are constantly patrolling back to totems and not letting you get near them, then just focus gens because they can't properly patrol both. There's only like 5 or 6 killers that can actually abuse the totems and screaming properly anyway, and you're definitely not going to be going against them every game. As soon as killers realize a lot more people are bringing those 2 perks, and a bunch of others are just focusing on gens, then Thrill will stop being used, because it's really not hard to counter. Also if you keep coming up against Devour, then start insta unhooking, the killer will never get stacks and never get devour going. People are mainly unhappy because they have to temporarily worry about hex totems again, which they haven't had to for a very long time. It's honestly more to do with people finding totem builds unfun to go against rather than actually being super strong, and that's really disappointing to see. If they really want to nerf it down a bit, then going to 12% at the absolute lowest would be fine, any lower than that and the perk dies entirely again.

[@ELChapoXtra]

What an incredible breakdown! Brother nothing but respect for taking the time to write such an in depth comment and speaking facts. Firm handshake🤝

[@mattiacicchetti3778]

Finally an intelligent and well constructed comment. These players are such hypocrites, both killer mains and survivor mains, they moan to every strong thing the other side has and instead of learning the counterplay they moan even more, ruining the player experience. I hope Thrill of the hunt won't receive the same treatment of Eruption. And now it's just a starter. Think if NLB will receive a nerf because it's too macroptimal, or Distressing because it will make Amanda, Myers, Wesker and Doctor even stronger. We are now in the deep ocean of sadness

[@alecvigo5520]

Best counter is to ignore totems and genrush

[@Tantemify]

its the scream that interrupts the cleansing. this is the part where survivors find it oppressive

[@ELChapoXtra]

Indeed but in my experience even when i played doctor. They used calm spirit. Not to mention Counterforce perk from Jill Valentines and bring a map to find totems if you must. Or just ignore them and gen rush bcz there is no gen defence. The point of the build is to be oppresive but that is not broken is just good. And în my last game i didn't even use Thrill just to show that is not Thrill that makes it so good neceseraly is just bad plays. Is just my opinion în the end

[@dezignatedkiller1359]

Screaming builds take exactly one perk to counter. The reason so many people complain about them is because they would rather run meta second chance builds than replace one single perk. Killers don't find all the second chance perks to be fun to play against but that doesn't seem to stop survivors from running them so why should this build which is easily counterable if even one person on your team runs Calm Spirit/Counterforce be any different. Killers have 4 perks to work with where survivors as a team have 16.

[@ErickDarkArts]

You are not even running the houndmaster scream addon nor is defending the totems periodicaly. They take 47 seconds to be done, you just need to harass each totem every 40 seconds or so. With her scream addon its hella easy. Either that, or face the darkness with the stealth addon. Dont say the perk is shit when you are not even trying

[@ELChapoXtra]

Valid point i agree.

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@ErickDarkArts did some more playing amd research and you can counter pretty ez if you are gonna encounter a Singularity or a doctor. Quick exemple . Calm spirit from Jake or Counterforce from Jill Valentines. Bring a map to find them totems if you must and yeah not as broken. Is still oppressive but that is the point of a build. Gen rushing on the side while one is doing the totems and then the killer jas nothing. Bring a map offering somthing like Erie of crows and is Gg. Your feedback is much appreciated and looking forward for more interaction🤝

[@fatestriker123]

​@@ELChapoXtrayep that's exactly what me and my swf do at least one of us bring counterforce and it's easy enough to counter

[@jinxdbd]

You're one of my favorite creators. But I gotta say you're just flat out wrong. It's the combinations you can run. Stealth killers running face the darkness make the totems uncleansable. Houndmaster has an addon called fatty meat that makes you scream every 15 seconds when affected by houndsense. It's not some ace in the hole that'll win games for you but to claim it isn't a massive over tune is a just incorrect lol

[@ELChapoXtra]

Thank you! I just ran the build people used online lately but i agree is a very good build. I might need to try more the ones you mention for more clarity🤝

[@jinxdbd]

@ELChapoXtra Singularity brown key add on reduces biopod by like 15% when they're emp'd it virtually makes the totems uncleansable becsuse cleanse time takes longer than it takes the biopod to come back up. Grab three hooks in the meantime. Boom. Devour.

[@ELChapoXtra]

​@@jinxdbd indeed it is a problem in that case a saw it i beliebe on Otz but you can still gen rush and basically lately has been dead by map ofering and if survivors are good at looping by the time you get to 3 tokens on devour for exemple the gens are almost done. Is still strong don't get me wrong but bringing Jill Valentines Couterforce is a big counter also not no mention a map to find them quicker. Is still an oppresive build but not broken. Just my opinion. Appreciate the feedback brother🤝

[@win.10pro]

i mean dracula literally has no synergy with thrill so dont be surprised, using killers like pinhead with chatterers tooth or singularity with broken security key would work a lot better for you

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@win.10pro i agree but you can still counter so easily. You can use Jill Valentines Counterforce to cleanse 20% faster and gain 20% per totem cleanse and you can bring a map oferind to find totems if you must. You can also ignore totems bcz there is no gen defence so gen rush is a legit option. Is still an oppresive build but that is the point however is not broken. And not often you gonna see Singularity in a night sesh. Is just my opinion in the end.

[@win.10pro]

@ yeah jill's perk is perfect for this build i agree

[@EleaticStranger]

You're good at the doggy! I really like the new killer.

[@ELChapoXtra]

Still learning but thank you!🤝 I'm also having a lot of fun with her

[@tophatwolf]

Yeah no, you are wrong. Try playing a killer that can abuse it and you'll see how dumb that perk is. Houndmaster is not the best for that but even she can be annoying with her addon that makes people scream + houndsense duration, making it so as long as someone has been sniffed by the dog, they cannot cleanse anything until the effect ends

[@ELChapoXtra]

It is but even without toth you can get not often but you can and lately people been running calm spirit or counterforce from Jill. Bring a map to find them faster and also gen rushing is still an big factor.

[@jeanmarc6517]

​@@ELChapoXtra Calm spirit with Thrill makes cleansing totems almost as long as a generator. And if the killer is running undying, wich most of them do in the combo, then all this time doesnt even help. The Jill perks is good but require to be against a hex build to be useful, only works for the survivor using it, and needs you to clean totems before being strong enough to stop killers with this build, wich they often stop you from doing, putting you as a target, stopping you from using the perk. Also yeah they can do gens, but it's a gamble, as if anything happens, they will be too late to do anything about the totems. And since 4swf pro teams are rare, there will always be a weak link that can be exploited for DH

[@ELChapoXtra]

​​@@jeanmarc6517 The point is to be an oppressive build did not say is not a strong one. Is just not broken and you are talking about a killer using 4 slot compared to 4 survivors that maybe one will use 2 slot to counter it and the rest can still run meta perks like DS. Against high mmr you will lose more often than not as a killer. În the end is just my opinion and my experiemce from playing and everbody can have their own and I think is good that we can discuss stuff like this about the game we like.

[@jeanmarc6517]

​@@ELChapoXtra Nobody is saying that this is impossible to counter. People are saying that this is breaking the game as it stomp solo Q or non full 4 swf teams has near 0 counter once the game started, and contrary to 5 pentimento, require 0 effort to be used. By your logic, the old 3 gen skull merchant wasn't an issue because strong survivors could beat her. Or that Nurse/Blight isnt an issue because strong survivors can also beat them. The point is not that it can be beaten, it's that it's boring to go against, gives giant rewards without a lot of inputs, and nothing can be done without the proper perks loadout beforehand, wich should never be an argument for how strong something is. A game should never be a guaranteed loss if you don't have a certain perk with you to counter a possible meta build.

[@jeanmarc6517]

​@@ELChapoXtra "But it's my opinion!" Yeah and if your "opinion" is that the Earth is flat, don't get surprise if people dont take it seriously. If you said "I dont like this" then it's a personnal taste, it's your own preference, if you say "you are all wrong" then you better start showing real proofs or else don't expect people to agree with you.

[@SilentW01f119]

Otz and a few others have already proven why the extra time added to cleansing a totem can make it impossible for survivors to kill totems against certain killers, aka Doctor, Hound Master, any stealth killer with a scream based build. Not every killer can abuse the extra time to the same extent.

[@ELChapoXtra]

Saw the video and i agree is oppressive but that is the point. Broken however is not. So many ways to counter that build that you will rarely see anyways but they don't want to change their meta builds. And is like one slot on one survivor and the rest 3 slots can be whatever perks and the rest can gen rush and loop the killer. The killer needs to use all 4 slots and a few killers to be oppressive.

[@mukistuff1049]

Don't forget, "top tier survivors" does not apply to 90% of the playerbase, i face strong all p100 swf squads all the time but you have to remember that this game is not build with the sole interests of the top 10% in mind.

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@mukistuff1049 As i said in the video is a strong build but not broken. Thats why you will not encounter this build so often in a night sesh for exemple as a survivor.

[@cosmeticboot]

I could be wrong, I don’t play high mmr killer, but it seems too powerful to me. If thrill of the hunt with undying allows you to nearly force something like devour hope and blood favor (random perk choice), there is no easy counter for survivors

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@cosmeticboot Is still a strong build but the idea is that is not broken. 4 slots consume for the killer to run a build like this however as a survivor one is enough to occupy 2 slots at most to counter then you can run meta ones. Try using counterforce from Jill valentines and a bring a map to find them easier if you want.

[@cosmeticboot]

@ true, but at that point, the survivor needs to bring a niche perk, potentially ruining a build they have to beat this build. All of this also ignores the fact there are many easy ways for killers to camp/monitor totems with various powers

[@ELChapoXtra]

You proved my point but still no disrespect in the end is my opinion and is ok if we are not on the same page.

[@cosmeticboot]

@@ELChapoXtra I don’t understand how I proved your point, but I agree in the fact I don’t want to argue. I still respect you, and you did change the way I see this perk

[@ELChapoXtra]

​@@cosmeticboot Still appreciate that you took the time to watch the video and write a comment on my small channel. 🤝

[@julien-2848]

To me it is not strong nor bad tbh, it just becomes a bit stupid - as everything in this game - when stacked with some stuff, ie players finding a way around it to abuse

[@ELChapoXtra]

I'm on the same feeling with you. It's just that the top% are the ones that are abusing in some way. Casuals don't even bother

[@anemite2]

Lol no, that extrs 20% make any hex build almost unstoppable

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@anemite2 bring counterforce from Jill if you must and others can gen rush.

[@Legend27999]

P50 Dracula bro is grinding💪

[@ELChapoXtra]

You noticed🔝🤝

[@Azumgi9]

It’s not strong but it’s very annoying to deal with as a survivor, especially when trying to find the totems and having a killer like doctor on a small map💀💀 I just give up because of that😂

[@ELChapoXtra]

It is i play more survivor than killer usually in a night sesh and honestly it is when it comes uo however it's rare and for that one game that i die bcz of that build to call it op then what about the other games were sometimes I die and whas a different build. Is just oppressive and do think the way thrill was back in the day were you get a notif was better and not as frustrating imo

[@Azumgi9]

@ Yeah calling it OP is strange, same with Myers “buff” it’s a huge nerf in my opinion. I think we just like to see the words OP and INSANE because it’s exciting 😆

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@Azumgi9 these are the players that only look at stuff from one perspective. They don't play killer at all or just for daily rituals so therefore they can't give an unbias opinion.

[@JoaquinCoetsee]

WTF with the soma in the corner 5:37

[@ELChapoXtra]

I did not spot him but you are right WTF. I mean i was lucky he was not doing gens much otherwise i think i would've lost the game

[@honeybadger5835]

I used Thrill of the hunt/ Other Hex Perks /Sometimes Dominance / Sometimes Thanatophobia builds on Clown and pretty much every game the totems would disappear at some point. Not OP at all. Once I went to my previous clown build without hexes, I went on a moderate win streak. Even with Ruin, the generators still went flying without any other anti-generator perk to help.

[@ELChapoXtra]

Not everybody will experience this and also admit it that have no idea. They just play survivor. I play survivor at the same level is so rare to find killers using this. And there are counters but surviviors want to counter every build with no perks if they can lol. The point is that is not broken in the video but people don't get it somehow😂

[@lukesenesac]

Survivors complain about having to sit on generators, now they're upset that they can't just sit on generators? There's no winning when it comes to making killer builds more diverse/viable. 😂 Btw. There's no hex perks that outright prevent survivors from doing generators. They could ignore the hexes until they caused enough of a problem, or ignore them outright until they finished gens. It's not game breaking....at all. 😅

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@lukesenesac Indeed. Thats why is important to play both sides more often. Same lvl same MMR. Great take🤝

[@lukesenesac]

@ELChapoXtra yeah. Totems are a side quest. They're not the main objective. We even call Hex builds 'side quest builds.' 🤷‍♂️

[@ELChapoXtra]

​@@lukesenesacin the end Luke every have their own experience with the game and i just shared mine.

[@Leonardo.ohime.i]

100% right

[@fuuexthreesevenseven4189]

It seems you are having strong survivors compared here in asia some of them are acting worse than bots. It is just the MR is so out dated in DBD.

[@ELChapoXtra]

Glad someone get's it. Is just super sweaty and survivors have so many options to counter a 4 slot totem build. One of them can use just one slot like jill valentines counterforce and the rest do gens and is over for the killer. Is still an oppressive built but that is the point. Broken? Not even close.

[@doompunk64]

You’re picking killers that have terrible synergy. Killers like doctor, singularity, and pinhead are far better choices because you just need to interrupt once to reset the progress. The perk didn’t need a buff at all, this was BHVR applying their obvious favoritism towards killers as they have been this whole year.

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@doompunk64 I disagree but the point of the video is to prove is not broken. Is still strong but that is the point. Broken is not. You as a survivor should know better how to counter this. Perks like calm spirit counterforce on only one survivor can destroy the killer. 4 slots consume for a build and 4 survivors can use basically what ever meta perks they want. Gen rushing is still an thing. Map offering for a small map that survivors do it all the time regardless, map items to find them easily. We are talking about killers you never see take a look at the pick rate. Is just an oppressive build now not broken. But if you want to talk about that we csn. Insta heals, borrow time in a bottle, flashbangs, soboing hooks. These are exemple of clear favoritism not thrill of the hunt c'mon man lol.

[@doompunk64]

@@ELChapoXtra am I talking to tru3 on an alt or something. “borrowed time in a bottle” lmao Sure, I’ll just take a chance and run perks that could be totally useless and a waste of a perk slot if the killer doesn’t bring hexes! I didn’t bring counterforce not expecting a thrill build? Guess I just can’t do totems then! You see how this is a problem?

[@ELChapoXtra]

​​@@doompunk64I understand that it may not come into play but that means is not a big problem or broken as people say online bcz is rare and you can still counter it without a specific perk. For that one game from time to.time were you face a build like this to just say thrill is OP is not fair. Before it was absolutely useless thrill, now is somewhat oppressive. What about the other games were you may not escape against a killer with a different build? Is that OP? No. I did show în my second game that you don't need thrill for hexes to work but is a big caviat to it idk if you watched it but the point is that is still a gamble. And if the killer patrols the totems then focus on gens. Objectively is not that big of a problem but if they nerf it is whatever bcz it wasn't use beforehand anyways.

[@Jonathanmlfltr]

Survivor mains crying like spoiled brats whenever one of the least played killer perks gets a small buff LMFAO. 😂 And I love how people bring up the 2 or 3 addons in the game killers have that make survivors scream to be like : "bu-bu-but It MaKeS mE sCrEaM sO i GeT iNtErRuPtEd iN mY cLeAnSiNg 😖😭" - just STFU, don't try to touch the totems and genrush like you usually love to, then. 🧐 Personally I love how killers are finally able to get a bit of value from Hex totems before they all get cleansed. It's a nice change from the current Pain Res/Dead Man's Switch meta.

[@ELChapoXtra]

Love the take! And even so just run calm spirit if you are a survivor main. This is only popular bcz of big youtubers making a fus about it against mid lvl survivors but in my person and is just my personal experience, survivors cleansw, gen rush like crazy. Not to mention map oferings.

[@Jonathanmlfltr]

@@ELChapoXtra Exactly! 💯It's crazy to know Thrill of the Hunt will most likely get unfairly nerfed in the next couple of weeks but survivors got to enjoy like 9 months of ultra broken Made For This. 😒

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@Jonathanmlfltr Sadly yes. This is an oppresive build but not broken. If survivors would actually pay attention to their perks they would know the counter. Counterforce from Jill, calm spirit, bring a map to see them faster and so on. But they don't want to let the meta build like DS or OTR. They want to counter with no perks basically the killer😂

[@Jonathanmlfltr]

@@ELChapoXtra Words of wisdom have been spoken! 💯

[@DreadBoi504]

Look…I’m all about healthy perks needing to be left alone either it’s killer or survivor but the current Thrill is definitely not it my dude. That perk is beyond unhealthy. Even anti hex builds aren’t very effective against that perk along with dominance, pentimento, undying, Face the Darkness and other crazy hexes to go along with. I honestly just thought survivors that complained about it were just exaggerating (as usual)…..but nah Thrill is beyond busted.

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@DreadBoi504 Thank you for your opinion and even tho I don't necesarly agree 100% with you i can understand your point of view. I did tested more and i'm gonna do a shameless plug on my video. It is a follow up to this but from the survivor pov.

[@Ghady-1]

Loved the video haha it was so fun and nice.🤣 Gg bro🔥🙌🏼

[@ELChapoXtra]

Thank you😂🤝

[@SilentW01f119]

The one comment that didn’t tell him that he was wrong. Lmao

[@Ghady-1]

@@SilentW01f119 funny how most of you guys never commented anything positive on his video and now suddenly you all came to hate… This video was very fun.. It is all about having fun and enjoy your time, why so stressed and heated about a game who cares 😁. However i do agree with him, most builds doesn’t matter much it is always survivors mistakes that determines the game…

[@Somalia2005]

7:50 😂

[@xacoswso6976]

You're just bad lol

[@ELChapoXtra]

Or you don't play killer on high MMR😂

[@DoubleTMatt]

You’re not using the right add on. She has an add on that makes survivors scream when u send dog out

[@ELChapoXtra]

Not the point tho. You can counter even thst with calm spirit. Not to mention Jill valentines counterforce and bring a map if you may choose to find totems pr just gen rush. Is super high MMR so you will lose as a killer even with the best build. The point is that is not a broken build or perk is just oppressive and that is the point.

[@Lucy2744]

@@ELChapoXtra calm spirit makes cleansing take even longer

[@Lucy2744]

@@ELChapoXtra ur absolutely brain dead

[@DoubleTMatt]

@ calm spirit makes it even slower. It’s so abusive against solo q, shouldn’t be in the game imo

[@ELChapoXtra]

​@@DoubleTMattsolo q is indeed very oppressive but like I said in my video, against high mmr survivors/teams this build is not an issue for them so therefor is not broken. Still strong tho

[@Adam-vy3mk]

Skill issue

[@ELChapoXtra]

Or not

[@mattiacicchetti3778]

It's 2017 all over again: Moaning from both killer mains and survivor mains, unused good perks that nobody uses, clickbaiter youtubers (Otzdarva and his crew), lobby simulator and worst of all Zeb89 (the laughing stock of dbd) made a video dissing and bashing the game and whoever loves it

[@ELChapoXtra]

@@mattiacicchetti3778 full circle😂

[@Ashy_Slashy3]

This perk is still poop, indeed

[@ELChapoXtra]

It is better but calling it BROKEN is a stretch

[@Lucy2744]

Your just terrible lmao

[@ELChapoXtra]

Don't forget handsome also

[@Lucy2744]

absolutely not

[@Ghady-1]

@@ELChapoXtra perfect way to handle this hatred. Awesome job respect for you bro 🔥🤝🏻. Let them hate. They are all minions just because their favorite content creator recommend this build they are all here to hate funny. I have nothing against the KZbinr it is his opinion but coming here to hate on your opinion make them sad ….

[@pawe365]

soooo the perk does not work on my main. Hmmm it's not a problem then🫠

[@ELChapoXtra]

A few killers that you will rarely see anyways lol Just look at the pick rate but people like to complain for maybe one time they face this style of build.