Perfect Preservation Of The Quran? Or Contradictions? Discussion with Fadel Soliman

[@apologeticsroadshow]

"Allah didn't leave the preservation of the Quran to any human being. He left it to Aisha's goat, who ate the parts of the Quran that Allah didn't want anymore."

[@inkyfingers3447]

It was Abro -Goat-Ed!😂

[@inquisitivemind007]

​@@inkyfingers3447😆

[@holyarmor578]

😂😂

[@napoleonlaguerre5587]

and Taqiyya ibn Islam

[@napoleonlaguerre5587]

A great Comment

[@sura_65.4]

When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6

[@Hail.layla-ym3sh]

😂

[@Edwardthe208]

More that agreed 😂

[@paulkoroma6065]

Trust me they lie so much that they believe in their own lies but forget that they debunk their self by just answering question

[@ericfisher1360]

The irony is they have all those Qurans and will say there is only one Quran. At the same time they have issue with the Trinity. 😂

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

Listen u think google makes you an expert then let chris preform open heart surgery on yuh 3 year old child simply because he googled it look the man got obliterated to the extent he lost sensation and contact either perceptible reality let me give u an example go pick up a copy of cantiberry tales by Chaucer written in MIDDLE ENGLISH read it sed if you understand it th Ed n let’s discuss the genius of the Islamic system of preservation … the incredible Chris does not speak Arabic does not know stzbic grammar or vocabulary and word usage and there variations and with a straight face he has the balls to think he wax credible this video is actually shameless and a commentary on the dead head Christian’s and there tragedy incredible

[@lahleholivia7398]

Q4:152 Hafs version says WE! Q4:152 Warsh version says HE! Don't tell the black stone.

[@inquisitivemind007]

Variants are found in pre-Islamic poetry - they're nothing special and are made a big deal out of by Muslim Apologists as if it's some unique feature of the Quran.

[@humanafied7303]

We, in Arabic, 1 - It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu, ‘We’, for respect or glorification. 2- He may also use the word ana, ‘I’, indicating one person, or the third person huwa, ‘He’. All three styles are used in the Quran, where Allah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue.

[@inquisitivemind007]

@humanafied7303 go to p223 of Shady Nasser's 1st book and look at the table comparing the variants found in the Quran and a piece of pre-Islamic poetry - it's the same type found in both.

[@sura_65.4]

@@humanafied7303 The royal We was never used in the time of muhummud. Taqi-yya exposed

[@humanafied7303]

@@sura_65.4 There are more than 15 places where the Quran uses the we of power during the time of the Prophet Muhammad Pbuh and before the Prophet Muhammad, 76:23 76:28 56:35 What do you do for a living more than making your own happiness and lies about Islam May Allah Guide you

[@itsmichaelakin5421]

If multiple qiraat can belong to the 'one Quran', Muslims should have no problem with the Trinity :D

[@inkyfingers3447]

7 🟰 1 Koran.

[@DanielApologetics]

Gonna be honest, some of these explanations of his to harmonize are EXTREMELY ad-hoc (among other things)!

[@TheOtherCaleb]

Anybody notice how he (the muslim) just begged the question the entire time?

[@OrdoMallius]

They have a problem with 3 being 1 but 10+ Qurans is one Quran.

[@raphaelfeneje486]

"3 beings." You mean you believe in three beings??🤣🤣😂😂

[@aaronmusa234]

only one quran. it is recited in congregations worldwide during this month of ramadan start to finish as has been the case for centuries. no other scripture preserved in this fashion bible was illegal to be in laity hands from 325ad to 16th century. 1300 yrs of darkness where the church added in trinity. man/god. are salvation if you believe their nonsense

[@raphaelfeneje486]

@@aaronmusa234 Keep quiet. You're clueless. Why are they missing verses in your Qu'ran??🤣🤣 Do you know the Qu'ran they use In Morocco?😂

[@aaronmusa234]

@@raphaelfeneje486 o t bible ' god is one ' n t bible ' god is now 3 coequal godheads ' quran ' god is one ' quran had to come as final revelation preserved for eternity. bible confessed Jeremiah 8 8 ' scribes falsified the Bible with their lying pens ' probably under cover of 1300 yrs of darkness 325ad to 16th century when it was illegal for folks to own a bible. William Tyndall last man burnt at the stake by church for owning a bible

[@sura_65.4]

@@aaronmusa234 When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6

[@sura_65.4]

How the qurans were altered to make them look like a miracle: Most Muslims worldwide today-whether Sunni or Shiite- trust the 1924 Quran and consider it the only Quran that has ever existed. To them, it is not only the official Quranic text but also, and more importantly, the exact documentation of the revelations proclaimed by Muhammad in the seventh century, codified by Uthman decades after Muhammad’s death, and transmitted perfectly throughout the fourteen centuries of Islam. The 1924 Cairo Quran is Islam’s scripture; this is the reality. However, critical thinkers must remember how this text reached us. It is hardly a reconstruction of what Muhammad proclaimed. The 1924 Quran is a purpose-designed and manipulated text built on one selected reading that ignored many other legitimate texts that existed throughout Islamic history. We CANNOT be confident in today’s Quran as a true representation of the text that initially appeared in a seventh-century Arabian desert. (Ayman S. Ibrahim, A Concise Guide to the Quran)

[@murielpucoe9213]

But then you must ask them, did Hafs know muhammad? Whrn did he die? 769?? Not sure of the date but more or less .

[@murielpucoe9213]

Some historians even question if there was really a muhammad ? Because he was alive in 634ADduring the battle of yarnik august 634

[@jaybjay4121]

The same arguments this sheikh is using is the same christians use, but when christians explain it using the same arguments muslim dont accept it even though they use the same approach

[@DenialistsConundrum]

Everytime i see a Muslim argue its like the Sketch from the "Naked Gun" where everything explodes and Leslie Nielsen denies that anything is happening at all xD Yes and No in the same verse is the most extrem form of contradiction that is even possible. " I dont see any contradiction at all" xD

[@snazzy176]

"Move along. There's nothing to see here!"🎆 🚨👀🙄🤥😵😵‍💫🤯🤖🙈🙉🚨🎆

[@sura_65.4]

one quran says "you", another says "I". Dawah script: "they are different accents" 🤣🤣🤣

[@inquisitivemind007]

Fadel Soliman is such an incompetent individual that Chris had to remind him that Umar and Hisham were from the same tribe hence their argument wasn't about dialects!

[@sura_65.4]

@@inquisitivemind007 Fidel Castro Solo-man got scared of Chris that Chris was using his own book to school abduls like sneako at Hyde park. He was so upset that he had to go on the deen show to try and debunk Chris but ended up agreeing with Chris on almost everything 🤣

[@inquisitivemind007]

​@TAQIYYA_ALERT Fadel totally misjudged Chris. He thought Chris would come on, ask him the standard stuff about the variant readings he has heard many times before, counter it and then Chris will convert to Islam. What he got was a guy who had done his homework, came prepared, asked him questions Fadel never thought one would ask and ended up making a fool of himself when Chris exposed him for the charlatan he is.

[@humanafied7303]

Prove it

[@sura_65.4]

@@humanafied7303 sura 37.12

[@sura_65.4]

muslims back then: "there is only 1 quran everywhere around the world, word for word, letter for letter, sound for sound" muslims today: "every edition, version and variant of the quran is perfectly preserved in allah's Android tablet in paradise" 😆

[@inquisitivemind007]

The funny thing is that they think variant readings is a unique linguistic feature of the Quran. You can find the same types of variants in pre-Islamic poetry!

[@sura_65.4]

@@inquisitivemind007 According to muslim scholars like hythem sidky and apologists like shabir ali there are multiple qurans. Even yasir qadi admitted that there are holes in the narrative in the preservation of the qurans

[@inquisitivemind007]

@@sura_65.4 those Muslim Apologists who accept there are different versions claim that they don't contradict each other but compliment each other. Chris will his brilliant example of Lot's wife using Marijn van Putten's tweet showed Fadel that he is a charlatan.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@inquisitivemind007 How does that disprove preservation?🤓 How do two different sounds of the same letters disprove preservation?🤓

[@Mgbizkut]

@@inquisitivemind007it’s not a unique feature it’s proof of corruption lol

[@inquisitivemind007]

Chris has just proven that Fadel Soliman is a charlatan. It's time for a tougher opponent for Chris: bring on Farid!

[@raphaelfeneje486]

Farid is a clown. He's not up to Chris level

[@inquisitivemind007]

@@raphaelfeneje486 I think it would be a good debate: Chris vs Farid

[@sura_65.4]

​@@raphaelfeneje486you are right. farida is on the level of zakir naik or ali dawah

[@sura_65.4]

​@@inquisitivemind007farida is a cartoon character

[@raphaelfeneje486]

@@sura_65.4 Farid is like Zakir Naik, exactly!! He's not even in the position to talk about this topic

[@tchilino78]

So uthman burnt a bunch of accents? Excellent work Chris. It's a spiritual battle. Intellect and common sense go out the window in order to defend this cult. God bless you brother. Thanks for what you do 💪✝️

[@inquisitivemind007]

He burnt variant words not accents as Chris pointed out in the hadith of Umar and Hisham that they were both from the same tribe hence spoke the same dialect.

[@tchilino78]

@@inquisitivemind007 yes brother I know I'm just being sarcastic and asking the muzlems this ridiculous question.

[@inquisitivemind007]

@tchilino78 if Muslims can learn something from this interview it's this: you've been lied to so leave Islam ☪️

[@inquisitivemind007]

​@tchilino78 Variant readings are found in any orally transmitted text whether they are religious or non-religious like poetry just like silent letters are found in many languages and not just in English. Saying that variant readings (Qiraat) are a unique feature of the Quran is like saying silent letters like the letter "k" in the word "knight" is a unique feature in English - no it's not! Silent letters are found in other languages as are variant readings like in pre-Islamic poetry.

[@tchilino78]

@@inquisitivemind007 nobody said that. Are you ok man? You've misunderstood the video and both of my comments. Take a little break bro

[@maxirice3554]

Uthmun wasn't very happy with one of the versions either ,so he burnt the lot . So wen does burning something suddenly become a preservation?

[@christopherquinn5899]

The errors and contradictions are preserved in them, whichever variant they are in.

[@MU-we8hz]

1924 quran 😂😂

[@soctejedor-qh3kd]

Thank you for all that you do.

[@englishtofrenchchristianap8314]

Muslims are the only ones who keep saying the sky is green while everyone can see that is factually blue.

[@SentinelApologetics]

At 26:00 onward, the "meteor" hypothesis is ridiculous. Yes, that was recently published in the Nature journal, but it has been heavily debunked by subsequent Nature articles, and it has nothing to do with the event. Also, the fact that she "stayed" contradicts Jesus, because he clarifies that "looking back" means to "go back down" (as used in regards to the Romans destroying Jerusalem in 70 AD).

[@chrisatspeakerscorner]

I did wonder where he was getting this from - I decided not to pursue no matter how tempting it was

[@bowrudder899]

If I have to skip a day of fasting, do I have to feed one poor person or multiple poor people? Apparently it depends on which version of the Quran you read. Different versions disagree.

[@chancevonfreund9145]

Great job Chris as always. 🙏🏻How can the Quran be perfectly preserved and Devine when the Arabic parchments didn't use Vowels And Consonants. I don't see how they can make that claim .

[@frankly.speaking]

Out of the 7 Ahrufs of the quran, 6 have been abbrogated... but is there any quranic verse that states it?

[@jakefrost8017]

Reply is: In practice, but not in writing 😄

[@pa21thebeast]

In the science of the Quran by Yashir Qadhi or one of the Ahruf books (I might be wrong on the book but I have the pdf saved somewhere), they reference early scholars that say it’s impossible for the Ahruf to be dialects because the hadiths mention the sahaba who were arguing over the Ahruf spoke the same dialect. The dialect explanation was likely redacted to line up with the early Islamic centers where we can confirm historically the Quran and Hadith proliferated from, ex. Medina, Basra, Kufa, etc.

[@chrisazure1624]

If abrogated by forgetting, why would the hadith about the ahruf be preserved.

[@inquisitivemind007]

That's an excellent point!

[@chrisazure1624]

@@inquisitivemind007 It seems like Allah's neuralizer was used on himself. He forgot.

[@inquisitivemind007]

​@chrisazure1624 9:43 Fadel sounds like a magician 🎩 when he says "it's gone"

[@chrisazure1624]

@@inquisitivemind007 Poof.

[@XiagraBalls]

Allah sent the MIB down with their mind-wiping device.

[@pebblesintheshoe4438]

Quran 2:115 is abrogated by Quran 2:144 (this is one example) Both the verses are in the quran. If as mentioned at 9:44 the previous verse has to be forgotten and it vanishes, then why is it in the quran? Why has it not vanished? How can one forget when it is in the quran and people can read it? And are the abrogated verses completely ignored in their prayers?

[@holyarmor578]

That was a decent load of 🐎💩 The funny thing is that he tells himself he's making sense.

[@inquisitivemind007]

15:36 "..sometimes I speak in a Lebanese dialect...I like that...just because I visited Lebanon 🇱🇧 several times..." 😂 what a weirdo!

[@holyarmor578]

@@inquisitivemind007 😂😂😂 These muzlems are on another level of shamless dishonesty

[@inquisitivemind007]

15:36 "..sometimes I speak in a Lebanese dialect...I like that...just because I visited Lebanon 🇱🇧 several times..." 😂 what a weirdo!

[@sura_65.4]

Scholar Marijn Van putten agrees with scholar Gabriel Reynolds that there are grammatical error in sura 5.69 or the possibility of a scribal error: Words of scholar Marijn van putten: The reason why is actually easy to show here, This verse has near doublet in Q2:62 and Q22:17, where the wording is basically identical but the case inflection is as expected: *ʾinna llaḏīna ʾāmanū wa-llaḏīna hādū wa-n-naṣārā* ***wa-ṣ-ṣābiʾīna*** *man ʾāmana bi-llāhi wa-l-yawmi l-ʾāḫiri ...* (Q2:62) *ʾinna llaḏīna ʾāmanū wa-llaḏīna hādū* ***wa-ṣ-ṣābiʾūna*** *wa-n-naṣārā man ʾāmana bi-llāhi wa-l-yawmi l-ʾāḫiri ...* (Q5:69) *ʾinna llaḏīna ʾamanū wa-llaḏīna hādū* ***wa-ṣ-ṣabīʾīna*** *wa-n-naṣārā wa-l-maǧūsa ...* (Q22:17) The particle *ʾinna* should trigger the accusative, but for some reason it doesn't in Q5:69, while in the other two verses it does. Since these are doublets, I don't think you can make a plausible case that a different meaning is intended, it's clearly the same wording. This verse is also well-known from a hadith attributed to ʿĀʾišah which calls this a scribal error in the Quran.

[@inquisitivemind007]

Marijn van Putten has written a paper on this on his academia page.

[@joseyglesias3743]

Brother Chris, Is just amazing how much effort they take to cover the sins of their fathers. They should accept Jesus christ, our lord and savior. Thank you Brother Chris for being a protector to our Christian faith. God bless. Looking forward to see the full video.

[@murielpucoe9213]

Chris does well in such debates ,not at speakers corner because he is not a noisy guy. 😅😅

[@joseyglesias3743]

@murielpucoe9213 Brother Chris is a great strategist. People screem because they have already lost the debate.

[@murielpucoe9213]

@@joseyglesias3743 yes it is true. I like him,he is like Avrry of Godlogic, 23yrs old , a gentleman and just like Chris.

[@murielpucoe9213]

@@joseyglesias3743 avery is coming to London . I hope Bob and his crowd will protect him from the ryde dawah team.

[@joseyglesias3743]

@@murielpucoe9213 The brothers would. Even Brother Johnno . Although last time I heard of him. He was misbehaving with Amy. I am not sure what his doing now.

[@sugami82]

I'm just hearing a lot of mental gymnastics by this dude 😂

[@jakefrost8017]

But you learn how to get Gold in the olympics 😅

[@oliverdavid3465]

the issue with qiraat is that if you have multiple different "ways of reading" that will in turn make the tafsir or exegesis of these verses different and thats exactly why cairo in 1924 standardized it

[@sanjaymalwe3529]

The only thing amazing is the sumersaults needed to manage the terrible holes in the narrative.

[@cartoonmo5976]

Fao brother Chris (Iceman), It's interesting that the Shia (source below) admit that there was only the rasm during the time of Muhammad. Calligraphy, Orthography and Diacritical Marks Used in the Qur'an The first and second copies of the Qur'an were written in Kufic script at the time of the Prophet. The very basic nature of the script, without diacritical marks, was suitable for the reciters, relators and scholars who had learned the Qur'an by heart, since only they knew the precise pronunciation of the words. Others found great difficulty if they opened the Book and tried to read correctly. It was for this reason that at the end of the first century after Hijrah Abu al-Aswad al-Du'ali, one of the companions of 'Ali, with the guidance of the latter, wrote out the rules of the Arabic language and on the orders of the Umayyad Caliph 'Abd al-Malik produced a Qura'nic text with diacritical marks. This, to a certain extent, removed the difficulty of reading the Kufic script. Several difficulties remained, however; the diacritical marks for vowels, for example, were for a time only points. Instead of a fathah, a point was placed at the beginning of the letter and, instead of kasrah, a point below and, for a dammah, a point above at the end of a letter. This led to ambiguity. It was not till Khalil ibn Ahmad al-Farahidi set about explaining the maddah, i.e. the lengthening of certain words, the doubling of letters, the diacritical marks of vowelling and the pause, that the difficulty of reading script was finally removed. www.al-islam.org/quran-islam-its-impact-and-influence-life-muslims-sayyid-muhammad-husayn-tabatabai/part-5-order

[@euanthompson]

I'm even more confused why muslims have an issue with the Trinity. They have 70 qurans (7 aruf per each of the 10 qirat) that are one unchanging quran that has never been different.

[@inquisitivemind007]

I'm confused too: if they are happy with the doctrine of 10 in 1 or 7 in 1 [referring to the Qiraat and Ahruf] then why is 3 in 1 an issue?

[@EasyDriver891]

They blame us for having 3 Gods as they say but they have at least 7. They have satan/allah, the black stone, the quran, mohammed, and the 3 daughters of allah/satan/the moon god. They are allat, alluza, and almanat. They worship all 7.

[@ahnafchowdhury619]

Qirat is the style of reciting. It doesnt change the meaning of Quran. Every Quran is same. 114 chapters. All words are same. Not a single word is added, or taken out. Unlike Bible with different number of gospels and apocrypha. The style of arabic accents varies. But just because the accents vary, doesbt mean the word is changed. Theres only 1 Quran.

[@inquisitivemind007]

@ahnafchowdhury619 Variant readings are found in ANY orally transmitted text whether they are religious or non-religious just like silent letters are found in many languages and not just in English. Saying that variant readings (Qiraat) are a unique feature of the Quran is like saying silent letters like the letter "k" in the word "knee" is a unique feature in English - no it's not! Silent letters are found in other languages as are variant readings like in pre-Islamic poetry.

[@ahnafchowdhury619]

@@inquisitivemind007 Please read my comments again. I never said its unique to Quran. In fact, you just supported my statement! Varaition of reading doesnt change the meaning! There are hundreds and thousands of Qari(reciter) on youtube, reciting the same verses with different Qirat.

[@pebblesintheshoe4438]

9:44 - Are the abrogated verses in the quran? If they are and people are reading it and applying it as per their convenience, then how have they forgotten it?

[@oliverdavid3465]

same problem happens in surah al qiyamah where it says god curses in one qiraa and god doesn't curse in another

[@UpTech]

I’m beginning to think that islam requires mental gymnasts as members.

[@napoleonlaguerre5587]

and Earlies Muslims believe that there are 7 Pillars in Islam: 1) To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but allah and mo mo is allah's messager 2)To offer Prayers 3) To pay Zakat 4) To perform Hajj 5) To observe fast during the mouth of Ramadan 6) To do Jihaad for the cause of allah 7) to use Taqiyya for the cause of allah. AND THIS IS TRUE PILLARS OF ISLAM

[@bowrudder899]

A and non-A is literally a contradiction, the very definition of a contradiction

[@bowrudder899]

1 Quran + 1 Quran + 1 Quran = 1 Quran

[@blackmamba6253]

What i have learned from this Guy in the last few minutes of the video about his attempt in trying to resolve the contradiction is That allah is the worse communicator of them all ,its humans who need to fix and add words to the quran verses to fix his words,so much about Quran being a perfect book ,a literary miracle ,when without humans adding to it ,Quran is incomprehensible(whether you put it into brackets or just add words straight forward). ....Not long ago such things were called corupting the text .......you can resolve any contradicition by adding words to the sentence ...i can write a book and write in it "It was monday, 11:45 in London and the sky was blue " and in another edition of the same book "i write It was monday,11:45 in London and the sky was not blue" and people who read both editions and have great opinion of the book and just cant believe that its a contradiction ,they put in the brackets(there were three or four gray clouds) poof contradiction resolved ....Sky was blue and it wasnt blue because it had few gray clouds....Take that Allah....

[@canusapak7535]

When you brought up the main contradiction he seemed to lose his cool. He got louder and and started stuttering and also said bismillah several times

[@inquisitivemind007]

Fadel received a schooling of a lifetime by Chris!

[@realLsf]

They have an answer for everything that answers nothing. I’m way more likely to believe somebody who says, “I don’t know”, than somebody who claims to know everything

[@robinmichael2260]

They have no other option but lie.

[@napoleonlaguerre5587]

Materials for the History pf the text of the koran by Arthur Jeffrey, my Brother in faith tells Muslims to read that book, THERE ARE MANY KORAN AND ALSO THEY ARE CONTRADICTED TO EACH OTHER

[@rashshawn779]

Muslim logic: I cannot remember what the prophet recited. Allah must have made me forget it, definitely not because I'm stupid.

[@AsHumbleAsPossible]

😅 😂

[@Timeone123.]

I think for most Muslims the very thought that words are different is inconceivable. I was raised to think this and believe this lie.ex Sunni Islam is not perfect just like the followers. It’s too much to admit it will take you out of the fold of Islam.

[@inquisitivemind007]

I blame people like Ahmad Deedat and Zakir Naik for this

[@jma7600]

To presuppose that it is Allah who is talking to his messenger is just an Islamic exegetical supposition. The dialogue could well have been between any person in authority to an envoy of sorts.

[@economician]

I just saw the debate on his channel. He must really want you to take the sunny shahadah because they never show us Quranites that level of tolerance. Have you had the chance to do a deeper dive into the works of dr Luxemburg? I think his work is much more intresting than the Qir’at variants.

[@chrisatspeakerscorner]

I haven't yet - but it's on my list

[@economician]

Here is a link to his book: ia803107.us.archive.org/11/items/TheSyroAramaicReadingOfTheKoran/The%20Syro-Aramaic%20Reading%20of%20the%20Koran.pdf And Here is the link to his youtube channel: m.youtube.com/@christophluxenberg6242

[@AlonzoHarris235]

Who is Luxenberg? Is that the anonymous person who makes non academic claims?🥴🤣

[@sura_65.4]

@@AlonzoHarris235 The authors of your 37 qurans are anonymous too 🤣

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@sura_65.4 They spoke a hybrid language in the Arabian peninsula?🥴🤣 That’s the claim of Luxenberg.🥴🤣

[@Md.Kamarussalihin]

Why do you called it debate while you titled it discussion?

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

How desperate is Soliman? The contention of that Qiraat in Surah 11:81 is regarding the command given by the angels to Prophet Lot, what happened later may help indicate what happened and confirm which one is the correct but it ultimately doesn’t matter in light of the meaning of the 2 recitations. It is was also a quote from a historical occurrence, for the Quran was recounting what the angels spoke to Lot. He was also utterly delusional regarding Surah 10:17, Surah 10:17 is about responding to the disbelievers but one can easily tell that the different “options” will lead to different responses and carry different theological connotations. The first variant puts a clear emphasis on the uniqueness of Muhammad and how he is the chosen one and that without him, no message will be delivered and Allah will not choose to deliver the message at all. The second variant however does not have this emphasis on the uniqueness of Muhammad and that the choice of messenger is secondary with the delivery of the message prioritised over the nature of the messenger. If one is to argue that Muhammad could have obeyed both and that it is merely a second option, then he or she will have to contend with the following: 1. Why only this scenario even though every other scenario has only one option? Why is he allowed to be essentially 2 faced here but always ordered in other cases to only convey one message and one divine intention? 2. Why phrase the options in a way that reveals 2 different intentions, with one praising Muhammad’s character and the other not doing so? Finally, what is Fadel’s position exactly? He believes that all the Qiraat descends from one Ahruf for 6 of the 7 Ahruf where destroyed by Uthman, shouldn’t then this be essentially a red flag for the other claim of his which is that all of these Qiraat, which descended from this one Ahruf (hence one recitation), for any variants in this case will be a contradiction is we to assume perfect transmission?

[@qandachristian7614]

@38:09 4,000 variations? 😳😱

[@jakefrost8017]

So Lala is like MIB with Flash Abrogation? 😂

[@markscheepers9908]

It is clear, irrespective of the Muslim, they just don't know how to be honest.

[@ahnafchowdhury619]

Accents dont change the message. The Quran is one. 114 chapters. Word by word. Letter by letter. Its only the style of recitation that varies depending on people from across the world. But bible has different versions with different numbers of gospels and verses taken out or added. The Quran is preserved with not a single word/letter taken out or added.

[@MaxStArlyn]

26:18 Persephone.

[@canusapak7535]

Isnt it suspicious that the event with Hisham and Umar which happened close to the death of the Prophet, and Umar who was an intimate companion of Muhammad had no knowledge the qiraat??

[@inquisitivemind007]

That's a good point!

[@Christangel342]

The standard Islamic narrative has too many holes in it. The Quran itself makes certain claims but these claims themselves destroy Islam because. -claiming that the Quran is preserved word for word letter for letter and dot for dot. - woe to them who write a book with their own hands and claim it is from god. This statement is mainly for the Muslims and d Quran. - there was also a challenge to produce a sura like this. But shaitan produced a better sura than Al lah. Is Satan Al lah? Or Islam is satanism. Etc.

[@EasyDriver891]

allah and shaitan same demon.

[@sura_65.4]

*Scholar Marijn van putten doesn't believe the qurans are perfectly preserved:* What do you mean by "The Quran today"? There are 10 different reading traditions with 20 sub-narrations adhered to today. *They are different from one another.* About 500 years ago, yes we more-or-less have the same 10 readers with 2 transmissions each. But go back a little further, to al-Qabāqibī who dies 849 AH/1445 CE *we have fourteen reading traditions, 4 of which have completely fallen out of use.* Go even further back to al-Huḏalī's *al-Kāmil* (he dies 465 AH/1072 CE), and *he has 50 reading traditions, forty of which are no longer in active use. And of the ten the he has, there are countless sub-narrations that are no longer adhered to today.* This problem really only compounds the further you go back. If you include manuscripts from before Ibn Muǧāhid (d. 324/936), you will find countless readings *that do not fit with any of the canonical ten and not even with any of al-Huḏalī's fifty... None of these traditions are in living use, many of them have wordings that are unique to them and no longer present in any of the recited forms of the Quran.* And of course, ultimately, the text of Uthman is a bottleneck for *most* of these traditions. Uthman commissioned his standard text about 20 years after the death of the prophet. *We know for a fact that the companions of the prophet had version of the Quran that differed much, much more than the amount of variation that you find in Uthmanic text. Whole words and phrases replaced and added or reordered, in codices such as those of Ibn Masʿūd and ʾUbayy.*

[@chrisatspeakerscorner]

Can you show sources for this ? Would love to be able to quote these in future

[@sura_65.4]

@@chrisatspeakerscorner I have a request for you. Can you please get the abdul Alonzo Harris banned for constantly spamming on your channel "Chris believes in 3 gods"

[@sura_65.4]

@@chrisatspeakerscorner Marijn van putten has an official page on *"R 🇪 🇩 🇩IT."* I took it from there

[@sura_65.4]

@@chrisatspeakerscorner Marijn van putten's official username on R 🇪 🇩 🇩IT is "Phdni 🇽"

[@sura_65.4]

@@chrisatspeakerscorner I have more quotes from marijn: Marijn van putten has no confidence in the chains of narrators of the qurans: The chains cannot really be independently verified (nor can any chain back to the prophet for any of the canonical readers). Hythem Sidky presented a nice paper on the topic at IQSA last year, comparing what is reported for Hafs against what is reported for al-Sulami. Didn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's significantly transmitting data from al-Sulami. But Dr. Sidky hasn't published the paper yet

[@BalooBearYeah]

You can get Abdool to say anything about the Quran - different meanings, multiple readings, word variations etc ... but Abdool will never say the Quran is anything but perfect. In spite of it being nonsense, to say so would mean Allah is not perfect, and is therefore not god, and in turn would render Abdool as kuffar ... the true miracle of the Quran.

[@ebakindeji5941]

About the Quran is nonsense, eh?. Prove all of this to be nonsense then?. Quran 22:5 Embryology kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpXUoauaesp3mrc Semen comes from backbone and ribs (Surah 86.5-7)* Where is the seminal vesicle that makes most of the semen?. Between the backbone and ribs and which flows through and is released through his loins. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6rEZI2Bgsmtf9Usi=ZsCbO1Y-ih7flIXE The separation of two seas (salt water and fresh water) in the ocean 25:53 He is the One who merges the two bodies of water. This is fresh and palatable and this is salty and bitter. He made between them a partition and an inviolable barrier. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eovUqHqrmqemhrM kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqbaf5aPm5iggrc kzbin.info/www/bejne/omrPpmmjo9V1Z5Y *The Big Bang in the Quran? There Is No Clash* kzbin.info/www/bejne/omLZc4t8ndiYg80 *THE QURAN UNLOCKS SECRETS OF ANCIENT EGYPT* kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnPXoa2BbtZ6htE kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX6bh4p-lJhrqKcsi=b72b52uamaUSe2LJ kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnLMl6Ondqx0hKcsi=JVcDwomMyYEN3EX6 15:26 We have created the human being from hardened CLAY of aged MUD. www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2488467/Scientists-believe-beginnings-CLAY.html www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131105132027.htm Even richard dawkins agrees with that. www.express.co.uk/news/world/752936/Humans-evolved-from-MUD-says-Richard-Dawkins-bible-was-right-evolution-bible DNA CODE kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKPLg5SEmtmcqa8si=lq3tOAzK5ZZ3Rzyi Was muhammad a scientist?. Did anyone during the 7th century know about this?. NO, yet the Quran described this 1400 years before scientists actually discovered the reasons for this. Now, who did all of this, if not GOD?. Deny that you stupid idiotic islamophobic piece of 💩.

[@GeraldmapangaPhiri-cv1cx]

They will never fill the holes, it doesn't matter how much they twist it to look like

[@147dsb9]

It's started when u cant differentiate between audiotory word of "the al quran" and "mushaf alquran".but off course they dont have understand cause they would never find one thing simillar to quran.

[@chriszekableyat9886]

It doesn’t matter if the quran is 💯 percent preserved, it’s not from God of Abraham, Moses, Noah.

[@dpdizzy6766]

🤣🤣🤣 What de hell.. you Allah give verses and then he makes you forget and make it vanish...so did he make a mistake and needed to delete? 🤣🤣🤣

[@aaronmusa234]

quran ' we replace a verse for a better one ' bible Jesus starts out with verses of love ' turn the other cheek. love thy neighbor ' then abrogates them with violent verses ' I come not with peace but with sword. go buy swords kill my deniers. attacks rabbis in temple with a whip. threatens to return at end times [book of revelation ] to kill all but 144k righteous je--' David koresh 10x

[@tanzilmuslehudd9403]

ya it makes no sence i thought allah was perfect if so then that cant happen if not he is not all knowing therefore islam fails

[@yennguyen-uj3ri]

The fairytale about Cinderella, Snow White, the three pigs are perfectly preserved just like the Koran. Is flying donkey and flying carpet in the Koran?

[@XiagraBalls]

His explanations made zero sense.

[@flatearthrealm7846]

If anyone is honest enough they will see that even their best scholars have to lie and they feel no way cause they are allowed by their God to lie for their religion and this is another thing they got to lie about...what God(as they think their's is) allows u to lie to protect it....theres only 1 being and we all know who is it...

[@tryjesus749]

Wow the level of deceit is mind boggling

[@yajujmajuj1739]

In d debate, every contradiction was called sth different like a miracle, and that's d izlmic mindset, even with "I was surprised" and "u were surprised", both aeen as d same and miraculous, so what's d point...

[@jakefrost8017]

If they were different dialects and synonyms and meanings... then how is it preserved at all? 😂 Of the 7 original ones sent to Momo, they butchered the order and mixed up the dialects. But it is still perfectly preserved? 😅

[@user-yy3vd9vx7y]

🏃‍♀️🏃QURANAWAY from it!

[@firstclass444]

When someone have sold his soul to the devil 👿 it is very evident because whatever that comes out of such person’s mouth 👄 is of the devil 👿

[@aaronmusa234]

pastor Bosworth smith after learning arabic and researching aura for 11 yrs concluded ' the quran is the only scripture preserved in its original language ' while biblical scholars ehrman Owens. metzger concluded ' there are 57000 biblical manuscripts. no two alike. none of the gospels were written by any apostle. all are in greek that no apostle spoke. John 3 16. and mark resurrection story were added in much later ' I left bible for islam/monotheism in 2002

[@Christangel342]

You were never a Christian. What did ehrman say about Mohammed?

[@You.are.boring.me.now2024]

aka @ etzal Kaplan & many other aliases. Another change of identity , same old ignorant and dishonest script!

[@sura_65.4]

“The position I argue for in Misquoting Jesus does not actually stand at odds with Prof. Metzger’s position that the essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament.” -Bart Ehrman

[@sura_65.4]

Islamic tradition argues that the Qur’an’s transmission was firmly controlled by the practice of oral recitation; the revelations received by Muhammad were learned from him as recitations by his followers, and were sometime later written down to form the Qur’an text we have today… Doubts have been shed, however, on this traditional view…Moreover, there is mounting evidence that the Qur’an text, or parts of it at least, must at some stage in its history have been transmitted in purely written form, without the benefit of a controlling tradition of active recitation.” -Fred M. Donner, “…the standard Egyptian edition of the Qur’an, first published on July 10, 1924…in Cairo [is] now widely seen as the official text of the Qur’an.” -Gabriel Said Reynolds “In the early twentieth century…the shape of the Qur’an would have seemed anything but clear. In fact, the Egyptian government was motivated to begin the project that would lead to the Cairo Qur’an edition due to the variations (or “errors,” as an appendix to the Cairo edition describes them) found in the Qur’anic texts that they had been importing for state schools.” -Gabriel Said Reynolds, However, the Cairo [standardized] text is often at odds with manuscript evidence.” -Gabriel Said Reynolds The common belief that the Qur’an has a single, unambiguous reading is due in part to the bravado of translators, who rarely express doubt about their choices.” -Gabriel Said Reynolds, “In response [to the variant Quranic texts], the [Egyptian] government destroyed a large number of such [variant] texts by sinking them in the Nile River and issued its own text.” -Gabriel Said Reynolds,

[@Akhgy]

You have a problem with the authors of the Bible Who wrote the Quran? Am not talking about the those that compiled it. Who wrote it.

[@lesmen4]

This guy doesn't get the concept of contradiction and difference

[@Weissguys6]

Why can these Muslim men not have a calm, civil discourse. They are always on the verge of completely losing their cool. It’s really not a good look. Whether they realize it or not, their desperation is obvious and exposes the deceit.

[@chrisazure1624]

The Quran is preserved like a cucumber is pickled. Brined, boiled, canned. Not a fresh cucumber anymore.

[@ebakindeji5941]

So the Quran is not preserved, eh?. Quran 22:5 Embryology kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpXUoauaesp3mrc Semen comes from backbone and ribs (Surah 86.5-7)* Where is the seminal vesicle that makes most of the semen?. Between the backbone and ribs and which flows through and is released through his loins. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6rEZI2Bgsmtf9Usi=ZsCbO1Y-ih7flIXE The separation of two seas (salt water and fresh water) in the ocean 25:53 He is the One who merges the two bodies of water. This is fresh and palatable and this is salty and bitter. He made between them a partition and an inviolable barrier. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eovUqHqrmqemhrM kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqbaf5aPm5iggrc kzbin.info/www/bejne/omrPpmmjo9V1Z5Y *The Big Bang in the Quran? There Is No Clash* kzbin.info/www/bejne/omLZc4t8ndiYg80 *THE QURAN UNLOCKS SECRETS OF ANCIENT EGYPT* kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnPXoa2BbtZ6htE kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX6bh4p-lJhrqKcsi=b72b52uamaUSe2LJ kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnLMl6Ondqx0hKcsi=JVcDwomMyYEN3EX6 15:26 We have created the human being from hardened CLAY of aged MUD. www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2488467/Scientists-believe-beginnings-CLAY.html www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131105132027.htm Even richard dawkins agrees with that. www.express.co.uk/news/world/752936/Humans-evolved-from-MUD-says-Richard-Dawkins-bible-was-right-evolution-bible DNA CODE kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKPLg5SEmtmcqa8si=lq3tOAzK5ZZ3Rzyi Was muhammad a scientist?. Did anyone during the 7th century know about this?. NO, yet the Quran described this 1400 years before scientists actually discovered the reasons for this. Now, who did all of this, if not GOD?. Deny that you idiot.

[@canusapak7535]

Just have fun with Allahs words change it up add a little here take away a little there 😅.

[@denatriusofastora7777]

Damage control on muslim part. The Qur'an is still preserved, but the concept of word for word, blah blah is obviously not the case.

[@KazzC]

Great effort Chris but Fadel lost me at YANNI

[@lientforjuve8118]

1 = -1, scholar of Islam ladies and gents 😂😂

[@moorfim]

All these different Quran. Yet no muslims can tell which one is the one who is in heaven. Is it hafs Quran who is in Heaven? Islam also say its only one sect who goes to heaven and rest 72 of isamic sect goes to hell. 😂 They are in a loose loose situation.

[@jaiteim]

No.no.no.no ..no that is only thing this guy can say...NO.no.no.no😂😂😂😂

[@WaqasAhmadZindabad]

This is really a success for Islam ! In other words, Christians admit that today's Quran traces back to Uthman 🙂 🙂 🙂 You don't even realize what you're saying; the Sahaba lied during the first 1-10 years, and then truly preserved the Quran in its complexity for nearly 1,400 years, i.e., incl. the Qiraat...(which makes the preservation even more difficult, this is the irony 🙂) The most important thing, which eruopeans lacks to understand is, that the oral-tradition is much more robust. Who do you think the reputable Publisher of any Quran-Book goes to in order to check whether its correct ??? ALWAYS TO MEMMORIZERS, THEY NEVER CHECK IT AGAINST AN HARDCOPY !! Wake up or keep sleeping, it's your choice... ........................................ *Here's a bit more detailed:* The problem is simply Chris's competence, or rather, the difficulty. It was clear to see how Chris, the pseudo-Islamic scholar, tried to pick out errors but unfortunately without success. Chris talks about one verse there or not there, when all knew its from the Quran 🙂he always makes me laugh, Christians lost their whole book, even from the corrupted bibles they throuw away whole chapters and verses, 🙂its just surreal... Ahruf or Qirat, you can derive thousands of Qirat from the Quran, but they follow certain rules and must be traceable back to Muhammad (peace be upon him), THAT IS THE KEY because he was the teacher of the Sahaba. Chris demands that Muhammad (peace be upon him) reproduces the number of Qirat 🙂 Chris simply lacks knowledge; its like saying, Muhammad as. should have mentioned the amount of Verses revealed 🙂you can choose the combination of readings yourself. This means you have to read the verse (there are over 6,000) in ONE valid Qiraat, but you can reread all the others in another Qiraat; this means you could theoretically come up with tens of thousands of Qiraat. (known in maths as the Cartesian product) But it suffices to combine those that encompass all readings, which is realized with 10 readings (a combination of all possible Qiraat) directly attributed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Because every Sahabi who learned the Quran and was taught it by a Companion of the Prophet as. (who himself learned it from the Prophet) or directly from Muhammad (peace be upon him). In other words, the oral transmission was personally endorsed by Muhammad (peace be upon him). If now other Sahaba or descendants of the Sahaba mix the various readings (valid) together, then that is still valid. What is always important is that you have an uninterrupted transmission chain back to the Prophet (peace be upon him). Qirat is simply a combination of readings in one! If you really want to understand this, then read Karen Armstrong, or Professor Angelika Neuwirth - you're begging for errors in the Quran, yet you haven't even seen 0.00000001% of Jesus's writings. Why do you desperatly try to find a Muslim without shoes when you dont even have any clothes anymore 😞sad... Look what Prof. Neuwirth even further says, and she is a Non-Muslim expert, not like Chris a Christian-Bias Speakers Corner Out-Of-The-Context-Debater: An interview with Professor Angelika Neuwirth, who is a professor of Qur’anic Studies, argued that the Qur’ān has never been successfully challenged by anyone, past or present: *“…no one has succeeded, this is right… I really think that the Qur’an has even brought Western researchers embarrassment, who weren’t able to clarify how suddenly in an environment where there were not any appreciable written text, appeared the Qur’an with its richness of ideas and its magnificent wordings.”* Listen, let's go the other way around, currently, there is only one Quran incl. Qiraat, now trace them back, when do you find another Quran 🙂 Never 🙂 If there had been other Qurans, they would have spread because Muslims were geographically widespread beyond the reach of Uthman and his call to bring all manuscripts. Do you reallly think he was a magician and got all manuskripts by clapping in his hands... you really believe in Aladin... But now, a different question, which of the Bibles (translated library) is actually the true one 🙂 Eastern Orthodox Bible Coptic Orthodox Bible Ethiopian Orthodox Bible Syriac Orthodox Bible Russian Orthodox Bible Latin Vulgate King James Version (KJV) New International Version (NIV) Revised Standard Version (RSV) New American Bible (NAB) endless-loop.... May Allah s.w. guide your christian friends !

[@helligusvart2384]

All of those bibles agree on one thing the incarnation, death, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, the quran comes 6 centuries later and tries to do historical revisionism, don't fool yourself

[@WaqasAhmadZindabad]

@@helligusvart2384 no, all of those bibels agree on one thing: that you cant trust them because of contradictions - pls my friend, remove your bias. its a book about Jesus as. but not from him. the early followers of Jesus as. werent christians and did not believe Jesus as. to be a god, etc., but they kept the Law of Moses i.e. the CORE BELIEVE, which was completly the opposite of what Paul brought you. Your religion is Paulism....

[@helligusvart2384]

@@WaqasAhmadZindabad mate what bias do i have? I read the book as it is, none of those translations contradict each other, in all of those bibles you'll find jesus death and resurrection for the atonement of sins, it's you who has the bias Because a book that came 600 hundred years later told you so, and what's the issue with "about and not from him" the bible has direct quotations from jesus just like your quran has with the words of muhammed, i dont know who told that the early followers of jesus did not belive him to be God, that cannot be more far from the truth, the early church fathers already affirmed Jesus claim to divinity, just like St. igantius said: "(AD 50-117) .....God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father and of Jesus Christ our God;"

[@WaqasAhmadZindabad]

@@helligusvart2384 you dont have to convince me, I know for sure, neither Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses or Jesus as. were trinitarian, belived in a blood-thursty god who lets his so-called innecent child to be killed for criminals benefit my friend, you dont have any foundation; you are 100% dependent on humans who decide what is and what is not from God - if this is your foundation, then your foundation is not devine but man-made its really simple, Jesus as. never claimed to be God, refered to his Father as the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus as. ??? WHOM YOU HAVE SENT, they followed the Mosaic Law and Paul changed everything in accordance to the pagan-believe of the Romans. your doctrin is full of pagan rituals, the churches are full of idols, and you let humans decide what is the word of God...this is called: you worship (i.e. submit to the law) which humans dictate to you... to put it in simple terms, in reality, you are a Pagan and Abraham, Moses and Jesus a.s. are TOTALLY free from your religion my dear friend... May Allah s.w. guide our lost christian friends !

[@WaqasAhmadZindabad]

@@helligusvart2384 Did you know that the resurrection is not mentioned in the gospel until 350 years after Jesus as. Can you believe that, 300-350 years after Isa as. and you are trying to criticise Islam 🙂 my dear friend, your whole religion has been cobbled together within decades

[@lilnallie05]

😊s

[@QueenQaffir]

Ur being awfully generous when u say any Q was preserved. Right outta the gate there were at least 80 ways to read it. Then to compare its preservation like the Bible? I don’t even know how u can make those statements, Chris. Ignoring their own early scholars admit to MULTIPLE ways of destruction, nevermind “let none of you say you have the whole of the Q as much has been lost,” I’m curious how u came to this conclusion? Correct me if I’m wrong, but they’ve not got a single completed book until 1924 so help me understand. It’s easy to preserve anything within the last 100 yrs.

[@jaybjay4121]

The same arguments this sheikh is using is the same christians use, but when christians explain it using the same arguments muslim dont accept it even though they use the same approach 3 ahruf 1 Quran 3 persons 1 God

[@karenthompson1337]

Chris. You are a saint!! ✝️ What drivel, cognitive dissonance by these Muslims eh!!😂😂😂😂

[@maxirice3554]

Doesn't even matter if q'uran was preserved or not . Q'uran isn't even Allah's words, because Allah is seperate to his words 😂 so it doesn't really matter ,q'uran isn't Allah's words or speech. 🙋‍♂️. The claim = Messed up 😂...what's the big fuss about . ??

[@mario.migneault]

Allah can not clearly explain himself, he needs to rease verses, abrogate them. Clarity is not one of his attributes, the author of confusion. Think of his 20 years, memorized 7 modes, 13 wives, sex slaves, ruler.and commander of wars. this is notfaith but a flying carpet fairytale.

[@j2shoes288]

It shows the dishonesty of kuffar. The so-called expert, wanted to show a contradiction. But it just shows, his misinterpretation. Alhamdulillah Muslims have the preserved Qur'an. Whereas, the pathetic New testament, as Bart ehrman said, there are more errors than words.

[@helligusvart2384]

That shows how dishonest you are, picking and choosing according your convenience, what Did barth erhman also said? The position I argue for in Misquoting Jesus does not actually stand at odds with Prof. Metzger’s position that the essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament. Misquoting Jesus (New York: HarperSanFrancisco, 2005), 252-3,

[@j2shoes288]

1 John 5:7. You've been destroyed in 1 sec. Pathetic

[@helligusvart2384]

@@j2shoes288 what are you talking about mate? Are you blind? Didn't you read the quote i give you? Why are you appealing to barr ehrman? He doesn't support youe islamic view, and about 1 John 5:7 thank the real Triune God that we don't base our understanding of God On a Single verse

[@morlewen7218]

Perfect preservation of the Quran. Inerrancy of the Bibles in their entireties. There is only one Quran and one Bible. Ludicrous claims form Christians and Muslims

[@inquisitivemind007]

Variant readings are found in any orally transmitted text whether they are religious or non-religious just like silent letters are found in many languages and not just in English. Saying that variant readings (Qiraat) is a unique feature of the Quran is like saying silent letters like the letter "k" in the word "knight" is a unique feature in English - no it's not! Silent letters are found in other languages as is variant readings like pre-Islamic poetry.

[@kotamrajuprasad2742]

Preserved or not, worst ideology..

[@inquisitivemind007]

Variant readings are found in any orally transmitted text whether they are religious or non-religious like poetry just like silent letters are found in many languages and not just in English. Saying that variant readings (Qiraat) are a unique feature of the Quran is like saying silent letters like the letter "k" in the word "knight" is a unique feature in English - no it's not! Silent letters are found in other languages as are variant readings like in pre-Islamic poetry.

[@TigistTakeleAdmasu]

Quran is just wasted paper 😮

[@moetezbouazra3245]

Choosing to add your opinions after editing the video instead of debating them with andul is cowardly act from you

[@inquisitivemind007]

Cowardly? I think you're confusing him with Hamza from Hamza's Den. Go and check out the clip he made of him and see what a real coward looks like P.S. making comments on a debate is a standard thing that even Muslims do.

[@jahangirnawab1534]

you spent an hour with a scholar just to justify your own issues with the bible.. did you not listen carefully? they are transmitted oral, you do not have have an ORAL tradition. keep crying.

[@gondala]

Actually, Quran never mention that "there is no contradiction in Quran"... It actually says, "if Quran is not from God, then they will find many contradictions in it"... Which is simply mean, there is contradiction in Quran, but it is not many.

[@ebakindeji5941]

Show us the few contradictions in the Quran then?.

[@gondala]

@@ebakindeji5941 to name a few is about islamic calendar (lunar calendar vs lunisolar calendar). According to quran 17:12, the sun (day and night) is used to determine the year and for calculation. Furthermore, in 10:5, the sun and the moon are used to determine year and for calculation of time. However, in 9:36, it is said that the number of months with allah is 12. So, in muslim understanding, to count a year we only use the moon (not the sun), which is contradict with verse 17:12 and 10:5. In short, according to two verse, muslim should use lunisolar calendar, but according to 10:5, muslim should use lunar calendar.

[@ebakindeji5941]

@@gondala 9:36 The count of the months with God is twelve months in God's book the day He created the heavens and the earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them. Fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. Know that God is with the righteous.* Where in that verse does it mention to count a year by only using the moon (not the sun)?. 10:5 He is the One who made the *sun an illuminator, and the moon a light*, and He measured its phases so that you would know the number of the years and the calculation. God has not created this except for truth. He details the signs for a people who know 17:12 *We made the night and the day as two signs*, so We erased the sign of night and We made the sign of day manifest, that you may seek bounty from your Lord, and that you may know the number of the years and the count. Everything We have detailed meticulously. The Quran uses the lunar solar calender, not the lunar one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKfYh6anprWSotk So wheres the contradiction?.

[@ebakindeji5941]

*Who wrote the bible?.* kzbin.info/www/bejne/epu6XpecbNZ9l68si=T-tW_eJj_B7PJNZD ​ If your bible is true then answer these contradictions in it?. " and JACOB the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah." (Matthew 1:16) Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of HELI, (Luke 3:23) So who's the father of Joseph the foster father of jesus?. Jacob or Heli?. And these ones: Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1) In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel? Eight hundred thousand(2 Samuel 24:9) One million, one hundred thousand(I Chronicles 21:5) How many fighting men were found in Judah? Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9) Four hundred and seventy thousand(I Chronicles 21:5) God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine? Seven(2 Samuel 24:13) Three(I Chronicles 21:12) How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem? Twenty-two(2 Kings 8:26) Forty-two(2 Chronicles 22:2) How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem? Eighteen(2 Kings 24:8) Eight(2 Chronicles 36:9) How long did he rule over Jerusalem? Three months(2 Kings 24:8) Three months and ten days(2 Chronicles 36:9) The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time? Eight hundred(2 Samuel 23:8) Three hundred(I Chronicles 11: 11) When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after? After (2 Samuel 5 and 6) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14) When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture? One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4) How many stalls for horses did Solomon have? Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25) In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die? Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1) How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple? Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16) Solomon built a facility containing how many baths? Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5) Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab? Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11) How many were the children of Zattu? Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13) How many were the children of Azgad? One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17) How many were the children of Adin? Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20) How many were the children of Hashum? Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22) And more here kzbin.info/www/bejne/roGlhmB6qLVmnZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4C8f4yPbcZ-qbc Also the "trinity" verse (1 John 5:7-8) is a LIE and a forgery. 1 John 5:8Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.8 And there are three that testify on earth: the(not found in any Greek manuscript before the fourteenth century) See footnotes in the link below www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John+5&version=NIV bible.org/article/textual-problem-1-john-57-8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXetZmudd8iBjtk

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[@shafee1891]

You defend the bible, and put your salvation on it knowing that: 1 - It’s not memorized from the time of it’s writing or at any time, 2 - The earliest full manuscripts are from the 4th century. Hence no way of ensuring that what you have is indeed what was written. 3 - Later Greek manuscripts and the ones used today have verses that are not present in the earliest manuscripts such as codex sinaiticus and codex Vaticanus, e.g: - Mark 16: 9 - 20 is not in codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus (most ancient and authoritative), these could be later forgeries - John 7:53-8:11 are not in codex Sinaiticus, could be later forgeries 4 - The most ancient complete manuscript Codex Sinaiticus has doctored and sexed up verses, e.g., Matthew 28:19 “…. Baptise in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” is in 4th Century Sinaiticus, but in the 3rd-century writing of Eusebius where this verse is mentioned many times don’t have these trinity bits. Read the Quran, be sincere, and reflect. This is the word of God.

[@kiko8u]

They can’t accept the fact the Quran wasn’t perfectly preserved, their cult literally falls apart. Quran 15: 9 - “It is certainly We Who have revealed the Reminder, and it is certainly We Who will preserve it.”

[@inquisitivemind007]

Variant readings are found in any orally transmitted text whether they are religious or non-religious like poetry just like silent letters are found in many languages and not just in English. Saying that variant readings (Qiraat) are a unique feature of the Quran is like saying silent letters like the letter "k" in the word "knight" is a unique feature in English - no it's not! Silent letters are found in other languages as are variant readings like in pre-Islamic poetry.

[@helligusvart2384]

​@@inquisitivemind007did you watch the video? There are variations, conflicting contradictions between the readings is not just the "accents"

[@inquisitivemind007]

@@helligusvart2384 I agree 👍🏻

[@ebakindeji5941]

About the Quran is not preserved?. Then explain how it gets all of this 💯 % right?. Quran 22:5 Embryology kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpXUoauaesp3mrc Semen comes from backbone and ribs (Surah 86.5-7)* Where is the seminal vesicle that makes most of the semen?. Between the backbone and ribs and which flows through and is released through his loins. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6rEZI2Bgsmtf9Usi=ZsCbO1Y-ih7flIXE The separation of two seas (salt water and fresh water) in the ocean 25:53 He is the One who merges the two bodies of water. This is fresh and palatable and this is salty and bitter. He made between them a partition and an inviolable barrier. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eovUqHqrmqemhrM kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqbaf5aPm5iggrc kzbin.info/www/bejne/omrPpmmjo9V1Z5Y *The Big Bang in the Quran? There Is No Clash* kzbin.info/www/bejne/omLZc4t8ndiYg80 *THE QURAN UNLOCKS SECRETS OF ANCIENT EGYPT* kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnPXoa2BbtZ6htE kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX6bh4p-lJhrqKcsi=b72b52uamaUSe2LJ kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnLMl6Ondqx0hKcsi=JVcDwomMyYEN3EX6 15:26 We have created the human being from hardened CLAY of aged MUD. www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2488467/Scientists-believe-beginnings-CLAY.html www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131105132027.htm Even richard dawkins agrees with that. www.express.co.uk/news/world/752936/Humans-evolved-from-MUD-says-Richard-Dawkins-bible-was-right-evolution-bible DNA CODE kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKPLg5SEmtmcqa8si=lq3tOAzK5ZZ3Rzyi Was muhammad a scientist?. Did anyone during the 7th century know about this?. NO, yet the Quran described this 1400 years before scientists actually discovered the reasons for this. Now, who did all of this, if not GOD?. Deny that you idiot.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

Chris believes in three gods.

[@sura_65.4]

Abdul fidel Castro Solo-man believes bismillah al-rahman al-rahim is three gods and his profit muhummud believed in 3 allahs, lat, manat and uzza

[@sura_65.4]

Abdul Alonzo Harris is upset because Chris schooled his shake fidel Castro Solo-man using his own book 🤣

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@sura_65.4 Chris believes in three gods.🥴🤣

[@sura_65.4]

@@AlonzoHarris235 we all know you are upset because Chris schooled your shake fidel Castro Solo-man using the shake's own book 😂

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@sura_65.4 I’m not upset. Chris believes in three gods. Christ is upset. Because he knows his bible is problematic.😆

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Chinese wispers are not convincing , Abdullah!