Performance Pack by Iftah - The Video Manual (Ableton Live 12)

[@nicoschmitt9857]

As a german, i love that you neither smiled nor showed any other emotion in the video :D love when germans do the germaning :D:D:D

[@anonymousbrowser4448]

He’s not german :) Iftah is a hebrew name :)

[@nicoschmitt9857]

@@anonymousbrowser4448 tbh, I don't care where you're from 😘 if you behave like a picture perfect German, to me, you are German hahaha

[@scole402]

@@nicoschmitt9857 LOL what in the 1930s

[@nicoschmitt9857]

@@scole402 uhm, wot? Is it now anti semitism to consider a Jewish person German? Or what is it you're trying to insinuate?

[@scole402]

@@nicoschmitt9857 Are German people really that un-expressive??

[@jasonzdora]

Performer device is killer. Having a singular floating GUI with customized controls that span across the entire live set... awesome! Well done, Iftah!!

[@Wargvl]

THIS is the best feature of ableton 12. Great stuff

[@rccli]

holy crap this is really something. i've watched this a couple times now, and i'm convinced that Performer especially is a really major improvement over any option we had in 11, or honestly even existed before this.

[@jasonzdora]

100% agreed. Having a centralized "hub" for all your specialized controls over the entire set is just awesome.

[@flomotopia]

This is a serious contribution to the Ableton toolbox, Mr Iftah. Thank you very much.🙏

[@perevelasco8682]

Hi Iftah I have a question. How are we so lucky to have such a genious person that make this next generation of Max devices? This Is the most game changing live performances devices improvements since session view was invented. I achieved to do something like the pre-arranger using IAC drivers and "dummy clips". But it was so tedious. This is a dream come true. Thank you for this gift, you are great Iftah, as a person who started using ableton live 5, now 21 years later i can say that, at my eyes you made history. What a blessing, thanks.

[@iftah_fow]

hey, thats a really nice thing to say!

[@watercolourmark]

Wow, I've completely overlooked the power of this pack till watching this. Can't believe I found this out late, better late than never. I have a good excuse of having my head stuck in Push 3 stand-alone for a year. I need to watch this a dozen more times.

[@chinidadian]

This is an astounding achievement in M4L especially when you consider it works in standalone mode. Fantastic work!

[@ghifardebs6728]

Another amazing Device !!!. would love if the rename function in performer actually changed the names also on the push screen for a completely screen-free experience. 🔥

[@-ukiyo]

He told the way to work around that in the video

[@arturflor]

Truly a great contribution to the Ableton Live ecosystem. Thank you 🙏

[@gear7057]

Aamzing, thank you for everything you do for the Ableton community.

[@michaelfitzsimmons6273]

Variations alone is going to change the game for me! FINALLY, I can recall presets in stock instruments! Thank you so so so much for making this Iftah, you're a total LEGEND!♥

[@ianjojo]

This video has made the Performance Pack the thing I’m most excited about from Live 12 - really nice work!

[@TR-707]

prearranger is pretty insane and i can't live without it now

[@richardseymour6091]

I didn't quite realize what the prearranger was until the demo video. That's something I've always wanted and now it's real. Can't wait to use it. Thanks for creating it.

[@engeomusic]

This is awesome. Glad Live hasn't forgotten their own name!

[@zankmusicofficial]

This is incredible! Thank you so much. This will allow me to undo all the convoluted work-arounds I had to "invent" over the years and never felt good about. Amazing! 🙏

[@blobmusica]

This will open up so so much for me. Thank you for your work and great tutorial !!!

[@shieldrumrecords1228]

Hidden Gems in Live 12 discovered tonight !!! will practice before ask smt , as it seems so clear and complete , Best manual ever , Thanks @Iftah

[@jorgemartinez42069]

This is a brilliant device! Thank you for all of your effort with this demonstration and on the tool. It is very easy to see the many possibilities, and the interface is very clean 👌

[@alfonsoleon3805]

I love these devices, thank you so much! As a feature request, please add the ability to see every curve in the Performer device at the same time. If you colour code them for each slot, it will make the device much easier to use when you have many different curves. Danke!

[@iftah_fow]

✍️

[@alfonsoleon3805]

Thank you​@@iftah_fow 🙏I will follow up with a second request, I was just trying replicate my Roland TR-8s as a midi controller in the Performer device and ran out of controllers at 48 with 5 knobs remaining. Maybe in the update it would be possible to add more? I hope so. With your permission I will continue to suggest features on this thread as I keep using your devices. Danke ☺

[@iftah_fow]

sure, perfromer is a long time project and im planning to maintain and expand it as much as possible

[@alfonsoleon3805]

​@@iftah_fow Thats amazing, Im very happy to hear you will continue to work on these tools which in my mind give Live the functionality it is lacking. If I may ask ask for a third feature request: Please add midi mapping to the variations of the "Variations" device. Thank you so much 🙏🙏

[@HilbertSpacersson]

Thank you so much for your devices, Sting is amazing to get me inspired for solo jams. And this video is very informative and I can't wait to expand my soul into the new depths of Ableton12!

[@fridmanator]

Thank you for this long awaited pack, all live performers thank you!

[@NiElsir]

This is so good. Fantastic work - thank you

[@muchomacho79]

I am so excited about all this. Variations being my fav so far. It's like a superior CTRL-all function from Elektron devices embedded into Ableton. This is my favorite new feature in Live 12. Iftah = GOAT!

[@aboxinthesea]

Phenomenal work and exquisitely designed.

[@neonvoid]

Variations is a much needed an incredible powerful concept / device. Too bad that the Push API is so poor that the current implementation feels like a workaround, and the most important controls, such as 'new' or 'delete' or even switching through variations is currently not supported on the Push. It would be amazing if we could store variations on the fly for scenes and automatically recall them on launch.

[@claudiongleur]

yes ! been waiting for it. love it before even watching it. but i will now. im excited

[@fromherebeyond]

Awesome work! I don't do any live performances but I can imagine how nice these devices will be for performances. When producing, I often thought it would be nice to have something pinned to top like performer with lfos and (midi) shapers. I guess this way it would be easier to map and manipulate all the different devices in an instrument.

[@MalacaMusicLab]

This is amazing! loved everything. Thank you for your excellent work with this! My fave 12 thing!

[@maikvanrossum]

Using multiple apps including Loopy Pro and MIDI FX on my iPad Pro for this… very pleased to see this kind of performance focused surface building is also available through my favorite DAW (and controller) on Mac 😊 🙏🏻 👍🏻

[@maikvanrossum]

Macbook, audio midi interface, Ableton Live, Push 2 and my APC40mk2… couple of cables and a pair of headphones… all in one bag 💼 👋🏻 😊 #excited

[@randomVEL]

this is awesome just found this. this fits perfectly for what i’m looking for with my embodme erae 2 when it arrives

[@iamtarpinian]

Edit: could just be my setup but there seems to be a bit of a delay of the parameters changing. It doesn’t quite hit on the 1. This is even with it set for clips to trigger the variation. -- Wow I think variations will be the answer to globally resetting all my effects with my controller between sections during a live performance. I had a much more complicated m4live set up for this before, but this looks like cake. Amazing! Thank you.

[@GadiantonsRobber]

You, kind sir, are a LEGEND. a true legend.

[@KorhanErel]

This is the best thing since sliced beats!

[@MikeCerdaMusic]

Amazing contribution!! Thank you!! I haven´t been able to figure out how assign to a Macro on an Audio Effect Rack! Thank you once again

[@nicoincertezza5763]

Thanks for this inviting experience! I'm looking forward to try all this amazing stuff

[@veiss8801]

This is quite compelling.. Great work! Would love to see an OSC integration/mode for interfacing with other software more easily than MIDI.

[@wilhelmschmidt4194]

Yoooooooo🎉 how does this only have 18k veiws in a month, people are asleep. Amazing stuff, can’t wait to integrate into my workflow.

[@nbr2737]

I have been waiting for this for a decade. Well done. I always called this sort of third mode of ableton "sandbox mode". I would be great to be able to make it full screen, so everything else disappears like in a video game. Cheers

[@greeklamb]

This absolutely amazing! One amazing feature would be a way to assign the switch between two variations to a CC so that the transition between two variations could be continuous instead of a hard switch toggle. Any plans to add such functionality?

[@IDEIYIONI]

+1

[@jg648]

Thanks for creating the prearranger! For those of us who used to used a similar (now defunct) app in the past (ZenAudio ALK2), this is a very welcome addition. Unfortunately, I think it still needs work (I'm on Mac mini M2, Sonoma 14.2.1). A few bugs have been reported to the Live 12 Beta site. For example, a clip will be recorded under the record clip on the "To track" clip. If you want to record a second/different loop on the same track by using a "To track" loop by a different name, this clip does not record (or repeat later on the "play clip") most of the time (only works about 5 % of the time). If I want to restart from the beginning without erasing the recorded loops, the loops will not consistently record again (have to manually erase the loops before hitting play from the beginning again). Not sure if you were aware of these, but I just want you to know because if this work perfectly, it will be amazing. Thanks for your work!

[@iftah_fow]

hi, please make sure to download the latest beta, and if you still have issues please make sure that the placement of the clips correlates with the quantize settings(i explain it in the video) if you still have issues (works fine here) please report it on centercode so i will be able to have a proper look

[@jg648]

@@iftah_fow thanks. The latest update has fixed those issues!! Thanks so much. I was wondering if instead of playing say, a 2 bar loop that was previously recorded, we could size the play loop to just 1 bar later in the song (or, for example, copy bars 2 and 3 of a recorded 4 bar loop and paste them on the timeline to play them later...or grab 1/4 of a loop, or what ever length you want); right now the "play clip" seems to be a trigger for the whole length of the previously recorded loop no matter how you size the play loop. This would give excellent arranging flexibility. Thanks!

[@lemonhscott7667]

Thanks so much for the video! So excited to use the pack

[@ArthurKlisiewicz]

Absolutely fantastic tool. I will certainly dive into it. Great presentation. In a future I suggest to add more cameras and move around a bit so you do not look like a robot - haha! But you did absolutely marvless job! I wish all LIVE tools have an ability to detach them from the bottom panel and resize tham. Addin ZOOM or percentage scaling to these popup windows would help a lot in readability

[@johncaccioppo1142]

Right now, I want to say that watching this video is one of my best memories of 2024.

[@Hammer2Bammer]

Thanks Iftah I can use this for Live jamming.. Fantastic🙏

[@mraymond77]

Wait a minute... If YOU can use it for live jamming.. maybe I can too!

[@ruthlessproducer]

Iftah! You are a magician! Loving this so much and as others have already said THIS is one of the best new features in 12… so liberating for live performance 😎🤩👊🏻🔥great work mate🎵

[@RandomRabOfficial]

I spent hours preparing a set using the Performer and also on different computers and different beta and standard versions of Live (both mac). Unfortunately it is super glitchy and does not properly save whatever settings you put into it. When you open the file with Performer, the knob settings are often random and not assigned properly. This can only be corrected by opening the Performer window and clicking through each number on each macro which somehow resets each knob to its proper setting. Occasionally though the, percentages will be reset to strange numbers and each needs to manually input again. Once it's all set up, it seems to be stable, however this whole process needs to be repeated each time you open your file. Unfortunately this makes Performer completely unusable. I LOVE the idea of Performer, but sadly its just not there yet.

[@iftah_fow]

hi, this might have happened because the set have been saved on different beta versions. it def does not happen with sets that were initially saved using the release version. if this still happens please send a report (and the set so i can try to reproduce ) to ableton support so we can have a look at it

[@RandomRabOfficial]

@@iftah_fowThanks. Submitted

[@studiodespenates]

Killer devices you've made! Thanks a lot. I'd be really interested in your ways of optimizing your live set for small controllers. Any deeper look on what you explain at 19:32 would be very useful. Anyway, i'll keep digging the features of variations and perfomer of which I've only scratched the surface. Thanks again.

[@markcrowley65]

This man's a generous genius! Thanks!

[@Belle-sy7ik]

I would LOVE to know how, at around 14 mins in, you have the same device controls visible even when selecting different clips (and thus tracks). In standalone especially, as "select on launch" cannot be disabled, this behaviour makes integrating performer very cumbersome for me at the moment.

[@leonnaffin]

Unbelievable. I know your work and music since a long time. I love what you do. But I never imagined you would come up with a solution for my midi mapping struggle with ableton. ❤ thank you ❤

[@PieAreSquared]

I love this so much, thank you for creating it and for the great demo!

[@gladstonedeluxe622]

Really amazing work. I'm definitely giving performer and variations a go for some upcoming shows. My Push 2 has finally given up on me so I'm gonna see what I can do with the APC

[@xDenneyx]

Amazing ❤ what an enhancement of live

[@tanguypaschal6657]

Great ideas. Is it possible to map variations to an external controller ? I can only map Stash and Recall, but it could be handy to recall more variations.

[@Sheilabobeila]

Excited to applly, will make Ableton a true contendor against some of the others esp with their live monitoring latency improvements. Great work!

[@samprock]

It can’t be! Stunning to see it all after waiting ages for smtg stunning like this beaut…. but getting nervous trying to click around where and how to get it to make my own?!?! ❤

[@iftah_fow]

hi, thanks for the nice words, its currently on beta alongside live 12, so if you can, get it on centercode. the official release will be out when live 12 is out

[@samprock]

@@iftah_fow Great! Tried to “ignore” 12 until getting Push 3, which arrives tomorrow. Also preordered 12 and will install Beta. More exciting with Performer! TNX

[@illGatesMusic]

This is the greatest thing since sliced bread!

[@lookmomonlycomputer]

need to replay this video a couple of times to really understand what just happen to my brain... the only missing thing for variation is maybe a morph possibility between snapshots, I'm not really good in max programming, don"t really know if it's something complicated to implement.

[@iftah_fow]

its not complicated, but it will trash the undo history, hence why i chose to leave it out for now. i can imagine to build it in once itll be possible to exclude things from the history

[@carlosbtlr]

I love the Variations device, but I've found that once I have a couple of variations programmed, the device won't allow me to make any permanent changes in the rest of parameters within the same track without having to add them as exceptions. Whenever I make a change in any other parameter without adding it as an exception, the device switches the parameter to its previous state whenever a variation is triggered. This makes the device's functionality rather limiting, cause having to add exceptions for any other parameter I want to change or automate outside of the variation snapshots is a whole lot of work. I tried setting the device to Set mode, but this is even worse, as it does the same with all the parameters in the whole set.

[@JesseBengold]

Hey, is there by any chance a way to map a control within Performer (knob, slider, toggle etc...) to an input midi CC? My intention is to set up a layout like that of a midi controller (here Novation LC XL) and to have it ready to go just by setting up the right midi channel to it without having to manually map everything. And later on be able to transfer it from one project to another without having to manually remap it all the time. Aaaaand if in the future there could be an implementation to have the midi controller only affect the selected Performer device (in the case of several inside a project), to make it fully independant of Ableton's stiff midi mapping, this would be a banger. A hybrid solution between a custom script and what the amazing device that Performer is already provides in other words. By all means this is great work. Well done and many thanks.

[@allthismagic5772]

Thank you for this amazing pack!

[@rjamesm]

This is sooo next level~!!!

[@PilzE.]

Seriously, your levels of creativity, technical ability, imagination, drive, and craftsmanship are off the chart!!! Knowing that your ideas and passion have driven so many to create and produce works of art beyond their own capabilities must be amazing and inspirational. I salute you, Iftah, for all the possibilities you have gifted to us mere mortals. 🫡

[@ruairi98]

recently starting to perform in my band with ableton and the past few days i've been like "hmm what if there was an easy to look at screen i could pull up and i could put buttons on it and the buttons do pre-defined things, particularly the ability to map macros to multiple parameters across the daw, and i can arrange the buttons to look and behave in a way that is easy and intuative to interact with in a performance setting, negating the need to constantly manouvre around the rows and columns of tracks and fx" and then boom hey its coming out soon.... thanks lol

[@SHUCKELofficial]

13:18 You say we can put the performer into a Audio Effect rack and map the macros to the "controls" but it's impossible to do this... Is this a future Update?

[@musiclabouratory8828]

Incredible work! Thank you!

[@rockallknight]

This is so great! Needed this!

[@VNDM-MUSIC]

Great pack. Esp. Variations, since Kapture finally stopped working for me in Live 12!

[@ginotubbo1531]

Hallo! Very interesting, useful and performance friendly tools!! I wander if there'd be a way to use Performer for expanding the possibilities of a small hardware midi controller: using few real knobs/buttons/sliders to control more of the virtual ones, perhaps using different profiles?

[@aaalvaroantonio]

thanks man

[@FlorentGhys]

this is a game changer, thanks so much for this!!!! ❤

[@secretgrooverecords1671]

The performance pack is great. I really wish that knob positions in performer could be recalled with variations though. As it is now I kinda have to choose which of them I want to use in my set.

[@iftah_fow]

knob positions of performer can be recalled with variations (working fine here). if this for some reason not working for your please report it to ableton's support.

[@secretgrooverecords1671]

That’s great to hear😊 thank you for the quick reply. Will try again with a project from scratch and report it if issue persists 🙏

[@horseonthethirdfloor3643]

performer is a game changer

[@DoniqueMusic]

Hey ! This is so nice. A dream comes true ! I really love your work. Is there a plan to integrate MIDI Input Mapping also to the device? My wish would be; even if I add the Performer to a Track, that the corresponding MIDI mapping from an external controller has not to be done in the Ableton project. It would be nice to save that also to the device permanently. Apart from that; very very good work. One of the best Max plug ins I've seen. 💓

[@DrumBuss909]

Thank you for making this!!

[@kevinfrey4710]

Some questions about the performance pack: -will it be possible at some point to omit full tracks instead of only parameters and devices? -have you thought about another abstraction layer where you have a variations device in set mode (parent device) interacting with variation devices in track mode (child devices), for example to create a variation for a whole song (in parent device) and have several track variations (loaded via the child) -can you share any info if Clyphx will be able to steer the variations device? ;) -is it possible in the performer device to launch envelopes (e.g with a momentary button and slew set to 1bar), but quantized to global quantization. E.g to launch a quantized 1bar filter sweep? Thanks for taking the time and keep up the great work. Those devices will make Ableton THE live performance tool it always was supposed to be. I am truly excited.

[@iftah_fow]

thanks for the kind words. - excluding tracks will def. happen, probably sometimes post release. for now another way of doing this is putting everything you want to control inside a group and then setting variations to control only the group - i have never used Clyphx so im not really sure - as for synced envelopes, yes, absolutely! just create a momentary / toggle button, draw your A/R envelope, set the slew to sync mode and select your beat division.

[@kevinfrey4710]

Thanks for the feedback. About envelope triggering, will it be possible at some point to start the envelope on global quantization? E.g. trigger it on beat 3 and have it launch on the 1 of the next bar?

[@iftah_fow]

@@kevinfrey4710 good idea!

[@youraveragejosh]

amazing pack that i am so excited to explore! im curious how to activate the "performance mode" you talk about at 12:49 on the push 3 to give global control to all of your tracks? can't seem to figure that part out...

[@WytoldMusic]

wowww this is incredible, thank you so much!!

[@YU4X]

really nice work! Q's: How would you approach mapping layers with momentary and toggle buttons? Is midi led feedback, colors, blinkings, working in these mappings? Are the mappings saved in the device when saving? Are other gestures possible, i.e. fast double click, Long click etc

[@HansEberbach]

I am just now discovering this and you are amazing! I want to be you when I grow up. :-) But I'm 54 years old already so it might be too late.

[@3lackwoodmusic]

Can you use arm / disarm and record on the same track? I’ve tried to do this and it’s not working.

[@JJ1NE]

Not sure if you saw my reply to your comment but the performer device can’t be mapped to the ableton crossfader. Is this a technical limitation?

[@iftah_fow]

hi, performer can map to everything which is exposed to the API, i dont remember, but it might be that the crossfader is not "traditionally" exposed. either way please report it to abletons support and i'll have a proper look

[@Noldy__]

I'm not a performer but I'll do a use case with producing. Just wondering if you could add an option to randomize the curve generation? That would be a cool feature to add on.

[@soundlab7755]

When I watched this I was hoping it could replace my Preditor2 M4L device as a way to make your own control layout for both native and plugin devices on Push 🤞But if the only way to name the controls is to put them in an effect rack you're limited to 16 controls instead of 64 (8x8) and it doesn't seem like you can name the bank pages :(

[@studiodespenates]

Hi May I ask why you choosed to ignore disabled chains in the process of saving racks in Variations ? It's part of the "state" of the rack in a given variation. I find it more visual (and simpler) than tweeking the chain selector which is more tedious and invisible most of the time in a rack. Of course many more things can be achieved with the chain selector but for simple "synth or fx swap" in a rack, the chain activator is enough. Anyway thanks for this excellent device.

[@zombiestepler]

Midi In function in performer would be a great feature

[@RonTheFlyingDutchman]

I want to have a momentary button that can do two things sequentially (instead of doing two things in parallel). How do I do that? In my case I want to select the next (or previous) scene and after that directly launch the scene with my foot controller (the Nektar Pacer). At this moment I have created a midi clip and three tracks for this which is kind of polluting my session view. Then I can send these midi notes with Loopbe1 back into Ableton and midi map these to the scene controls. I could also create a custom Max 4 Live device that is just generating two midi notes in sequence, but I haven't got the time to dig deeper into Max4Live. You've come a long way with this device and it is very close to do almost everything without the trouble of having "global" midi clips. So I hope you read this and that you will understand it and also benefit from it. If you can build custom envelopes and defining stacks of notes, then I guess it would not to be much effort for you to build defining a sequence of notes as well.

[@zankbennett8340]

Hi @iftah, this is such a huge pain-solver for me! Thank you for making this freely available to us all. I have used it now for a few weeks and I noticed some bugs, particularly using Variations. Is there a forum or group somewhere where we can post and discuss bugs? Thanks again!

[@iftah_fow]

hi, please report it to ableton support directly, thanks!

[@adknon9631]

Please integrate a morphing option between variation states. Thank you.

[@tiosolo7525]

This is great! but I can´t make work variations o P3 standalone, there is a way to make new variations and rename it without the pc? thanks!

[@NilsMango]

Great work Iftah!

[@illegalgiant_]

this is really excellent looking

[@RobertKgma]

Nice one Iftah! Just playing around with Variations, I know I'm breaking the rules here, but it would be great if 'Link to Clip' would allow the variations be triggered by triggering the clip rather than triggering the variation... my artist brain wants to use random follow actions with legato mode and record sporadic variations of synths 😛

[@nickbean693]

Hi iftah. This is absolutely amazing and thank you. However, 18:48 I’m having real issues with the variations device. I set up a stash of my live set the way I want it before ramping up tension through filters and reverbs and filtering out a kick. I take the snapshot before do anything when I have a nice state for my track But when I hit recall, devices all seem to snap back to the stashed variation at different times no matter how I set the quantization. Like my kick filter will snap back a bar or 2 bars before the filter and reverbs reset on my synth and sends and I can’t seem to get it to work properly. Really disappointed as I was really excited about what this offered in terms of possibilities for live performance. I’m trying to do what you demonstrate at 18:48 but everything snaps back at different times. Help! Is this a known bug? Also the snapshot and stash is very slow even on a fully loaded MacBook M1. Please help. Please fix if it is broken!!!!!! This is so important and one of the main reasons I upgraded. Also, should I set a trigger or toggle for the midi controller. Anyways I love what you’ve done. This is an amazing service to the music community!

[@iftah_fow]

hi, thanks for reporting! can you please report this to ableton support so ill be able to have a proper look?

[@bartdemuynck2410]

It would be great if this were midi mappable within the plugin itself. Ableton midi mapping cannot be saved across sets (eg in track / device presets), so you're stuck with using this within set templates. Some m4l devices can workaround this but those solutions so far bulky and in any case limited to 16 macros.

[@TorpidScorpionMusic]

This is fantastic. @iftah, when using the prearranger, can you suggest some way to create ‘indefinite looping’ over a portion of the arrangement (perhaps activating the arrangement loop) until released by a control action? I would like to use the prearranger to build a track until a ‘bridge’ that has audience interaction and thus needs to loop until I let it proceed. Any advice much appreciated. Regardless, this pack is a triumph and will be really useful.

[@absurdpoet]

Ok, in the mid perf break (13:41), does anyone have an idea as to what is going on with the pads in rows 5-8 column 4? They blink constantly throughout the performance but I can't figure out how that relates to the audio I'm hearing. Does performer somehow augment session view too?

[@iftah_fow]

this is the drumbeat, which resides jn a group of 2 channels playing different clip slots

[@absurdpoet]

@@iftah_fow Thanks. Appreciate it.

[@TR-707]

@@absurdpoet the blinking seems to be a bug once you recolor the clips and the clips are also in gate mode i believe

[@studiodespenates]

Hi For a reason I can't explain, curve editing doesn't seem to function on my version of Performer. I can use the curve presets but modification of the curves is impossible. I'm on a mac (12.7.4) with Ableton Live 12 Standard (12.0.2). I downloaded your pack (PerformancePackbyIftah_r59831_v1.1) on the ableton site I tried all key/click combination possible and couldn't edit the curves. I tried to save the set and re-open it and rebooted my computer. I tried with and without something mapped in the slot (all slots).I checked on a shaper device that curve editing was ok in the function object of Max and it is. Do you have an idea to solve this issue because curve editing seems really powerful and I can't use this features of your nonetheless very good device. Thanks