PERKINS DIESEL Generator Upgrade ENGINE GOVERNOR IMPROVEMENT Pt.4

In this video we replace the governor spring in the injection pump. Unfortunately this does not yield the performance I am after. We then proceed to add an electronic governor control to augment the mechanical and keep the engine speed steady.

[@lanwickum]

Have plans for that generator?? Been looking for a 35-60kw generator for use on my farm. New is pricey and used is used. You do good work making used like new.

[@onefastslimjim]

Man that Perkins is a happy little engine under load! Sounds incredibly healthy, great video!

[@haydenc2742]

Barely smokes at all even under full load!

[@pinecone01]

This has been a very interesting series thus far. Seeing the limits of the old mechanical governor Vs. the electronic one, as well the modernization of an older diesel genset like this. I look forward to seeing the next parts!

[@artpatronforever]

Suggest placing a low force tension spring across the levers bearing the linkage rod to take up any lash that exists or inevitably will develop in the linkage end bearing surfaces. A tension spring will also minimize vibration that will gradually cause wear and increasing free play and will preempt any hunting from wear of the linkage. This is a good way of preventing slop from affecting the governor linkage.

[@franklinrhodevelt6441]

Genius. I like to see water temperature, and RPM's also. Excellent mechanic.

[@michaelandrecht7508]

A perfectionist with life experience and brains - my type of guy.. Plus you how to teach. Love your channel.

[@KDuboutdoors19]

Garrett from the Tactical Repair channel sent me here. I messaged him about making a multifuel engine and transmission from a deuce and a half drive a tractor pto generator set. Thanks for your information.

[@sweetpeaz61]

great video I had the same problems with my perkins 152 24Kw genny when i blew the stanadyne pump up (snapped input shaft) and fitted a CAV pump..useless governor compared to stanadyne, so fitted exactly the same electronic govenor as you, only difference is i totally REMOVED the entire mechanical govenor (removed all the weights/actuators/arms etc) as i found it was fighting the electronic one ( i think thats what was going on in your video with the wandering under load as that was what mine was doing) that fixed the issue and its snappy and sharp in response now under all load conditions. To connect the throttle arm to the metering valve its a simple case of drilling a small hole in the top of the metering valve and pressing in a bit of spring wire (cut from a straight section of spring the same size as the mechanical govenor spring) into it ..the internal throttle arm folds round internally and fits over the new peg you made on the metering valve, then simply fit a light tenson spring to the metring valve pin and one of the top cover mounting studs so when power is cut it pulls throttle shut assisting the govenor actuator. my genny has now run over 12,000 hrs in this configuration with no problems.

[@RobertFay]

*- Hurrah for the electric governor installation, Mike.* *- I wish I knew why the old mechanical one would not work. Maybe it never could or did work well.*

[@1997cr80r]

At my work we run a screening plant with a 90kw perkins t6.354 powered gen that also has a lucas cav pump. The generator we run only has 4000 hours as it was originally a portable medical trailer gen. Our screen plant pulls 70-80kw. When the load is applied (never all at once) it will pull the engine down 3.5HZ. It's all 480v 3ph electric motors it's running they are pretty forgiving, so I always manually set the HZ to 63.5 then apply all the load and it ends up right about 60-60.5HZ. I think a CAV pump is a terrible pump for generator application and if that's what they wanted to use should've been factory equipped with a electric generator like Mike installed

[@TonyLing]

Glad that you enjoy our lovely old Perkins engines. The P4236 is a favourite of mine.

[@reinhardstebner6299]

Mike, I want to thank you very much for describing what you are looking at. I am a blind individual and am enjoying listening to your videos. Once again, thank you so much for being so descriptive on what you were doing with a Projects you’re working on, this helps tremendously!

[@adamfletcher4262]

Brilliant video your work is far beyond the best work I have ever seen making things better than when they left the factory that's something to be very proud of I have a couple of generators that would be massively improved with electronic governors and now I know how to set them up properly and to preform at their absolute best thank you so much for sharing your vast amounts of knowledge and explaining it in such an easily understandable way it's absolutely priceless keep up the good work it makes my day every time i see you make things so much better !👍

[@overbuiltautomotive1299]

i been going to get this kit for a project that i ant dove into yet thanks you for buying and covering this governor kit sir .Thanks and be blessed .i need to buy you a coffee or a beer man !

[@Trains-With-Shane]

Doesn't even really smoke when you load it up! Good job! That's going to be a fantastic unit once you get the control system all updated! That governor is working great!

[@JSchrumm]

On todays episode Mike shows his wizardry in controlling magnetic fields.

[@Imwright720]

I’d buy a generator from you. You really know your stuff.

[@chrisssmallengines7163]

Love the videos, like seeing all the different steps you go through to adjust and maintain these generators . I like how you take pride in doing your job .

[@Kenny-rn2xc]

The control board was probably designed by the American company and they have the Chinese company manufacture it for them. They both get to sell it. Works really well.

[@LAP1050]

Mike, it’s really enjoyable to watch you work your mechanical skills. Your filming is excellent keeping us engaged as if we were there at your shop. Can’t wait till the next project 🇺🇸👍

[@starcruiser9325]

Perfect timing on this video, thank you. I’m just about to attach the exact same governor to a small diesel generator project and wondered whether the mechanical governor could stay in circuit. I was hoping you would go the electronic route and you went one better with the exact same governor. Good work and explanation as always. Thank you.

[@somerandomguy3868]

Fascinating and excellent narration, can't argue with that controllers ability to control the generator

[@somerandomguy3868]

Very much looking forward to seeing this unit in tip top shape, it will be better than new

[@MitzvosGolem1]

"Old Forge power" in Pennsyvania has a huge amount of gensets and diesel engines of all makes. Even weird bizarre ones. Amazing salvage yard. PS : I found that the mag pickups get metal chips on them and lose Hz signal to gov module. On JLG manlifts . Starter gear and flywheel metal chips collect on magnet of sensor.

[@keithtpullin]

Thank-you for these great video's, cheers Keith ( UK )

[@hiteck007]

Excellent job old mate. I found that throttle controller very interesting because at some point I got a small 7.5 Kva to build that's been sitting around for a decade. That throttle controller will sharpen up the response of my Kubota motor. Your Perkins given how old it is runs very clean, the Greenies should be happy Sniffing the exhaust of that. lol but an old GM might knock E'm out.

[@garydb1643]

Thank you for your time and effort to explain everything. I find your videos to be very educational and look forward to them all.

[@nicovosje]

Nice to see you got it working! Maybe put a little hot glue on the potentiometers to keep them in place. There is always a change they change because of vibrations from the engine. Greetings from the Netherlands

[@thefixerofbrokenstuff]

Nooooo the pots will need tweaking over time as resistors and capacitors drift.

[@aforman1951]

I used to use fingernail polish!

[@nicovosje]

@@thefixerofbrokenstuff If you put just a little drop on the top you can pull it off easy, been using it for years now :)

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

You made that Engine run sweet Mike ! Really enjoyed the electronic governor install ..

[@28YorkshireRose12]

Very nicely done, and I think that electronic governor could be just what we need for a small automotive diesel that we want to repurpose to drive a generator. We could replace the pump with a mechanically governed one, or we could go the electronic way instead. - I like it it anyway!

[@richardbradley961]

THANK YOU. REGARDS RICHARD .

[@josephpegram1]

That's awesome, looking forward to the voltage regulator upgrade.

[@GrandsonofKong]

Stellar Job Mike! You always give detailed explanations, I almost feel like and expert and didn't have to spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express!

[@martyb3783]

Very satisfying to watch. Thanks for the very interesting video. I look forward to the controller replacement.

[@gacgovernorsamericacorp1383]

It is definitely not one of ours - GAC. Thank you for letting people know it is a fake.

[@SmallEngineMechanic]

I am happy you commented. I use your equipment quite often in my regular job. Have always been pleased with the quality!

[@williamgurtner4759]

Thanks for taking the time to explain it all, to us. Like the fact a unused, thought of as, JUNK unit, can be made useful once more.

[@simonilett998]

Nice work as always Mike. My guess is G.A outsource their manufacturing to China. Bit of a bonus that you were able to source it direct from the 'actual' manufacturer or a seller over there. G.A would have to charge more to cover shipping and turn a profit etc, and/or simply for the convenience to the customer having them locally available on the shelf. Shipping time = more $$ in down time than the additional local price equates to for most businesses.👍

[@achgreentree]

as i understand it, the original gov is in use and the electronic gov is doing the fine tuning. cool !

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

Modern electronics certainly improved the performance of that generator. Great video!! Thanks!!

[@colin_5839]

Nice job as always Mike!

[@taketwophoto2206]

Hi 👋 I really like the way you are creating your videos now. Informative but to the point. I think you have hit on just the right formula that will attract many more followers! So be prepared for what I believe might be an exponential expansion of your channel. I have gained a great amount of knowledge from you. Well done and please keep making more videos like this series. Thank you! Best regards, Ken.

[@andybonneau9209]

Hall effect switch gives a square wave DC signal. What you've got is a reluctance sensor, which generates its own signal, an AC sine wave that increases in amplitude with RPM. A hall switch is unaffected by RPM.

[@MitzvosGolem1]

Interesting ..Thanks Most Automotive ignition triggers are hall.

[@happyirishman4683]

Nice troubleshoot Mike chasing the Spiders out of it .

[@SOU6900]

I like how the engine sounds when it takes the load.

[@giggiddy]

That generator runs wonderfully. That would be tough for me to get rid of even if I had no need for it lol. Well done my friend. Cheers!

[@unobono]

Please upload more especially engine electrical works thanks!

[@MattBrownbill]

Glad to see you progressing with the control mechanisms. 😊

[@Qwerty1235945]

Thanks for posting this fantastic series. I love learning how these things work and you approach a task. Best wishes from Nottingham, UK.

[@oscarxx75]

excellent work with this generator I saw all your videos of restoration of this machine and the electronic governor was the best idea, that way it is possible to give these fine adjustments that the team occupied good work friend

[@christophermarshall5765]

One happy Perkins engine.

[@chainsawsandgenerators9952]

I’ve been looking on picking up one of those governor setups, thanks for biting the bullet for me lol. Also, this is a very good example of setting up a basic governor. Biggest thing I tell my guys is, take your time, adjust one thing at a time.

[@randylenart9674]

Very impressive changes I have a old ARMY 5kw air cooled that could use the same changes 👍😎🇺🇸

[@corywillbanks6348]

I’ve got a mil surp 15kw gen with the white/Hercules 4 cylinder and a roosa pump. On it they have the throttle wired back and the electric actuator controls the shutoff lever. To do that the arm inside the pump is changed to have a little roller on the tip of it so it doesn’t wear a groove in the linkage for the metering valve. It’s got the same actuator as you put on and it had a different brand controller on it when I acquired the gen but was non functional. I replaced it with GAC controller as well. Im following your build closely as I intend to install this gen as a backup at my house and I need to update the controls in it. Thanks for the videos keep up the great work!

[@awptech3248]

Great job Mike always look forward to these update videos

[@williamgibb5557]

Perkins are great, very dependable engines. Enjoy your hard work.

[@arthurbiringer5676]

Great job! Running perfectly.

[@kerrygleeson4409]

Fantastic Work Mike thanks for sharing your knowledge 🦘👍

[@kandkmotorsports]

awesome video Mike!! That gov is pretty impressive

[@willrobbinson1]

that new gov sure is better than before , nice work lov ur channel

[@hotpuppy1]

Older generators didn't have to power sensitive electronics in most applications so the mechanical governors were good enough plus I'm sure there weren't these electronic governors around. It's nice to be able to upgrade old equipment and keep it in service.

[@larrydavidson3402]

Great job on the governor Mike. Sure is working a lot better now then when you first got it. Once you get the new control panel installed it will be like new.

[@jimmybritt9537]

Nice demonstration Mike 👍👍🇺🇸

[@BerlietGBC]

Good work fella , those DPA pumps where never popular although there fitted to so many things there very sensitive to air leaks and partly block fillers and there horrible when old and warn out like yours, you speak to old boys here most will tell you they were not great from new lol

[@theessexhunter1305]

Very well explained.

[@3cl1]

Great video, whenever your ready to check out my Cummins MB17 genset I'll send the Lear jet to pick you up.:)

[@fanofoldfans9238]

The electronic governor really keeps the speed stable. Recover rate is quick with load changes. Too bad the old mechanical governor isn't responsive enough to keep the speed stable. I wonder how well the mechanical governor functioned when it was new and was the generator originally intended for electronic devices that need a steady 60hz sine wave or just inductive/resistive loads in 1980?? Waiting for Pt. 5 electronic voltage regulator install...

[@thetinkeringold-timer6934]

Another awesome video. I would like to see your opinions on modern "consumer-grade gens" 1800 vs 3600rpm. What to look for, care and feeding. Advice from an expert.

[@8068]

Great to see the unit running again. What's up with the 1930's Cat Genset?

[@wotnoturbo]

Informative, thanks for sharing 👍

[@rickjohnson1632]

Engine sounds good. Great video 👍👍

[@TurboVisBits]

Generally refer to those speed sensors as "VR" - variable reluctance

[@AE-lk3uc]

Awesome...nice job! I have a controller but need the pickup and actuator for mine. Cant wait to see what you do with the voltage regulator.

[@AL6S00740]

Damn i am learning more and more every day nice

[@ScoutCrafter]

Outstanding series Mike!

[@DieselFuelOnly]

that perkins sounds good!!

[@johnbaker1039]

Keep them coming, very interesting project. Thanks!

[@jasonketchum4052]

I would love to pick tour brain on a generator set up for our off grid cabin that's tied to solar .

[@banderson5144]

Reminds me of PID tuning for my RC Quadcopter

[@alanworland9478]

Excellent control, well worth the effort!

[@somerandomguy3868]

This unit is ready for service, and I'm sure it can carry it's rated load without issues

[@ty250z]

Great fix,dialled in nicely.Well done

[@chuckb9867]

Great video Mike all that electronic Governor work on a gasoline engine

[@Digital-Dan]

"out of phase?" Just 90 degrees rotated. And the mag pickup doesn't look like a Hall Effect device, but just a way to use simple magnetic pulses to count the rotations. Excellent device and video. Needs an AI to do the gain/stability optimizations, although you seem to have reached a totally satisfactory local optimum.

[@Bowhunter1300]

Thing of beauty! Looks like Ron DeSantis, because that’s great governor performance.

[@phooesnax]

Excellent results Mike

[@Okanagan48]

Real nice unit. You did a good job.

[@mold1999]

nice job can't wait to see the rest getting finished

[@anthonymartinka7712]

Our fire station has the same Empire generator except powered by a 440 Chrysler on propane. It worked flawlessly since 1975. It was recently replaced by a Generac diesel unit due to its age. I bet the Empire unit will be operational long after the Generac units parts are obsolete.

[@johndean7618]

In my 40+ years working for a Caterpillar dealership, I have converted hundreds of generators to electronic governors. In today's environment with critical electronics, even home backup should be isochronous governor equipped in my opinion. Good job. On a different subject, have you ever used what I call a power ohmes test to measure generator winding resistance? The idea is to put a fixed current through the winding and measure the voltage across that winding thus giving a accurate resistance reading. I use a regulated power supply. I thought of this when you were working on the 35 kw Generac for your friend. I would like to contact you privately because I have much equipment to dispose off.

[@SmallEngineMechanic]

John, my email is on my channel under the “about” tab. You may not be able to see it if you are using your phone to view KZbin though. My megger has a Wheatstone bridge function which is pretty much what you are describing for the low resistance measurement.

[@AJ-wj9ij]

Just thought about you mike good on you

[@jjock3239]

What an irony! That is the same control unit I bought to govern an engine I swapped into a Bobcat loader. I couldn't find the parts to repair my mechanical governor. The replacement worked great. Very interesting video. I have a couple of generators to play with when I have some time, and I have learned a lot on your channel. BTW, I have a 90 KVA 400 hertz generator. Any ideas on how I could put it to use?

[@danielsimpkins9662]

Might wanna buy that copy of Cyberlink Power Director my man. The watermark after 22:00 givin at away.

[@Fatamus]

❄️❄️😁❄️❄️ You make that stuff look easy.👍

[@citichap]

Nice job. thanks for the update.

[@wes3428]

Pretty good result. Not to be negative nancy but I do wonder what the first thing to fail will be.... almost certainly something to do with the new electronic governor setup. But I guess in an emergency situation with the existing governor still operating it can still generate power.

[@jonas2431]

I bet his wife is happy knowing They'll never be without power

[@FishFind3000]

Are you still using that low pass filter?

[@roberthammond2637]

Nice job and video, Mike....!

[@derina.maleek9408]

great

[@marshallsayre58]

Hi Mike, I really appreciate how you stive for perfection with the genset but im not sure why and would appreciate an explanation for my own knwledge. I undrstand govenor droop=slow response and electrical equipmnt will make it quickr. It sounds good to me. Thnks for your expertise

[@bashirmohamed1489]

Awesome