Perma Death Roblox Games Need To STOP

[@KasaiChoz]

This Is My Unpopular Opinion and there are a lot of games that do this well but a lot of them don't and it keeps some players from ever getting into the game because of it. There are other ways to implement lose after death than a complete wipe. Such as getting rid of player inventory but it really depends on the type of game. SKILL ISSUE ON MY PART. I have horrible luck so it might be a bit worse for me than other people but everytime I get on a game like this players hunt me down fast asf LOL ANYWAYS SUBscriBe and Like if you understand and enjoy my unpopular opinion and check out some more on my channel. I Love to rile up the masses.

[@Noctivagant_the_2nd]

In my opinion i think that permadeath in most roblox games isnt done right but i think a good one is deepwoken with the echos system

[@timetellnolies9425]

@@KasaiChoz no because thay actually get irrating because why you killing freshie qhen your old max level, or mad max, go fight people your skil level. Like really if you want freshie attack your devs shoudl might as well make it so the weaker get more levels are exp from killing stronger players or like smh like thay

[@timetellnolies9425]

Barely play game like deepwoken and shut when I jsut get attack outta nowhere or gank on when I just spawned in

[@ryanfrazier6750]

I agree with u for the most part(Also I just don't like perma death games) Like they could just have permadeath be a option/togglable but have permadeath progress in the game faster(If they really wanted permadeath without losing players for the most part)

[@ryanfrazier6750]

also groups of players targeting you for no reason(besides they can)

[@reisenfer1]

I stand by the fact that permadeath really only works on Roguelikes with short runs. Take Isaac for example. you essentialy have a run lasting 30 minutes to an hour, potentially having a god run and getting your dopamine out. If you die, then yeah its sad, but it doesnt matter that much, because you only lost 30-40 minutes. Also Proper roguelikes have meta progression, giving you the feeling that even if you die you "progress" to an overarching goal. Now we look at Deepwoken. The problem with Deepwokens permadeath lies with the amount of time you spend on it. A slot is essentially a "run" in other roguelikes, and you progress that character slot over multiple hours, getting really attached to it. This leads to dying feeling extremly frustrating and not something which should inspire you to try something new most of the time. Deepwoken also has a lot of grind with proper Gear for PVP or PVE which adds to the time spent on the slot, leading yet again to more frustration if you die. Technically you have to make leveling in Deepwoken and getting loot blazing fast (20 minutes to reach max level, 15 minutes to grind out the best gear) to make the permadeath actually feel fun, but obviously they aint gonna do that. Im 100% sure that if Deepwoken would remove the permadeath out of the game, it would not affect anything substencially at all, especially because nowadays progressing is so much faster and easier.

[@KasaiChoz]

If you took the time to give an indepth opinion and analysis on this subject I'll have to ask you to subscribe sir you are my target audience. And generally I agree most games recently are putting perma death in games that don't make sense.

[@DogGaming506]

deepwoken permadeath is very ez to avoid i havent wiped a slot on accident in about a year

[@Alwanoth]

@@DogGaming506 yes its very easy to avoid when you're a sweat whos already played the game for 1 thousand hours and have already mastered pve and pvp, the main problem is the fact that deepwoken punishes you for being a new player by being wiped whenever you try to progress

[@Hahawewwss]

Reason why perma death games usually work outside of Roblox is because 1. After death you obtain smthin like you talked about to make grinding easier, have special bonuses etc based on how much you achieved and 2. It’s short progression with a variety of things to go by Hades and binding of isaac does that amazingly and most people who say “you don’t like perma cuz bad are usually just people who play the rapidly produced perma slop most Roblox games are because they believe they are ”better” than the people who play other genres it’s honestly hella odd and these mofos be treating it like video game eugenics 💀

[@KasaiChoz]

Dear God thank you for understanding

[@O5trava]

someone finally said it 🙏 i got a decent bit into deepwoken but i cant stand permadeath man. it incentivises dcing whenever someone comes near you not to mention permadeath games have such awful communities of just losers who gank you or attack you for no reason

[@KasaiChoz]

LOL I have no fear I'm about to get bashed

[@DogGaming506]

permafreshie mindset a game having permadeath makes it more fun because there are more stakes when ganking

[@NumbKuzo]

I got my account deleted by an unfair poison ban and haven't played roblox in months which will turn into years. If I ever make a new account I sure as hell am not coming back to any of the other games I played but I will buy deepwoken and play it. i remember losing an absolutely stacked slot with godroll accessories ironsing heavyplate helmet boots rings weapons while escaping the ethernal gaze. That slot had over 250 hours on it and drowned teleportation craziest thing is that was 95% of my lifetime playtime on deepwoken all dedicated into this one slot until it was perfect was lost. Thats the only time the game made me consider quitting but after that it was mostly fun exploring what I was limited to by my main slot

[@pegasusrr3156]

@@O5trava u cant stand permadeath bc u dont get the thrill of high stake fights

[@bluez3r140]

To be fair, deepwoken is one of those games where if you want, you can completely avoid permadeath even without dcing to every soul in a 100m radius unless you've got no idea what you're doing

[@internet_denizen]

It's weird, because I rarely use this account for commenting, let alone on roblox content that I never really consume. That being said, I'll throw my hat in the ring. Issue with roblox content as a whole is the developers are often in it for the money, and if they're not, they're following a trend or a 1:1 plan given to them by the community (obviously this does not mean all creators, but the vast majority of them do seem to have this problem); issue with this, is that these things need balance. Permadeath in things like roguelikes/roguelites makes sense, as they're generally limited to a very short lifetime, with even complete runs ranging to a maximum of a couple hours for the much harder ones; that isn't to deny games that do involve Permadeath (Minecraft, No Man's Sky, and Project Zomboid just to name a few) exist, but the issue is that the central game is tailored towards more casual players, with Permadeath being a secondary gamemode added for those who seek more of a challenge. In essence, Roblox as a whole is becoming a microcosm of the gaming scene at large. Obviously there is issue with this to some degree, as replacing those that truly innovate or care for the space will kill the platform. In short, I think many of these games would generate infinitely more revenue if there were a casual space alongside a hardcore space; obviously, making this is easier said than done, but if you're going to put in the work for something that may already have good popularity (i.e. Deepwoken), why not try and make it more accessible to a larger audience through removal of a feature that only servers to alienate an entire playerbase? A playerbase, that may I add, may be alienated even with the feature around due to the already existing community, as mentioned in the video. There are many ways to mitigate this kind of thing, through penalties, protections, etc. A system that doesn't allow players to progress early without heavy knowledge of the game or a helping hand is not healthy, nor can it realistically facilitate a constantly growing audience. Wonderful video, by the way. The little chat about progression is extremely important, even in many of the most difficult games, there is always something you get, whether you win or you lose. There seems to be a misconception as of late that, in the event that you do lose, you should not gain anything, when in reality lots of the time you will be given something regardless of whether you win or lose; there are just more benefits to winning, which then encourages the player to get better, learn, farm, fight, or do whatever they can to progress and become strong enough to prevent that outcome where they lose. In a sense, you want losing to only be considered a punishment because winning is a better option. Made this at 4 am, so forgive any logical loopholes or typos please! Alright, that's probably going to be my only comment on this account for the next couple of months. Wonderful video man, everyone take care, and have fun with games. Please remember that first and foremost, this is our hobby, so we should all do our best to protect it to the best of our ability :)

[@KasaiChoz]

Bro I love this community so much 😭 Yall all have the greatest opinions and a lot of you actually do understand what I was trying to Articulate even tho I'm p bad at helping yall understand. W COMment and thanks for throwing your hat in the ring LOL

[@100klocs]

it feels like usually they only put permadeath as an after thought, or have a permadeath game but the systems around the game dont really compliment the permadeath notion that they are trying to push.

[@KasaiChoz]

Bruh subscribe you have to be in one of my interview videos Shoot me a message on discord @kastielzark

[@MiniBinguss]

-theres a community for it -people get a connection to their character and often are willing to spend to keep their character a bit longer -it adds replayability, even if not the best kind of it i.e. : -guaranteed players -profit -easy boost to playtime, thus increasing average player count logically speaking, youre probably better off just putting it into the game, unless youre making a slop game for kids.

[@rebagaming775]

I’ve never played perma-death games because I don’t wanna lose all my hard work. As soon as I hear about a game being perma-death, I avoid it Xdd.

[@KasaiChoz]

SAME BRUH I BE DODGING BULLETS NOT TO PLAY THEM

[@Usersoupagain]

feel like as an example of a decent permadeath game, deepwoken yes, has perma death where if u die enough times u can get sent to the depths and if u die there u die 'forever', however, i feel like even if it is extremely frustrating to wipe a build to people you hate, i think it also adds a sense of excitement, for example, see a guy you hate in the depths, maybe put your own character on the line in order to *maybe* wipe theirs forever, and yes deepwoken does have a bit of a toxic community sometimes, but a lot of the times its just 1 or 2 stray players in each guild which are bad apples and the rest just play for fun. another problem beyond that do is that a permadeath game in roblox is a bit risky due to the fact that roblox as a platform can sometimes just insta kill people due to bad physics or have terrible, terrible servers and optimizations that the devs cant do much to fix

[@Brook_is_awsome]

W paragraph guy I also agree with everything you said

[@KasaiChoz]

Deepwoken is prob one of the ONLY good examples of a perma death game.

[@Usersoupagain]

@@Brook_is_awsome 😭

[@ineedalife6]

deepwoken also gives you the ability to restore your slot if you died unfairly (for example roblox glitches that kill and so on) on their discord.

[@MiniBinguss]

@@KasaiChoz deepwoken is a terrible example of perma death, because it simply doesnt have it. after some threshold of skill, you practically become immune to wiping. getting ganked in overworld? dont care. getting sent to depths? just get back to overworld in a couple minutes. someone trying to gank you in depths? just menu or jump into void and do layer 2. with even a casual amount of skill, you just wont wipe unless you are actively seeking fights in the depths or you are someone who isnt using a guide for layer 2, meaning exploration is punished by the game.

[@seven2404]

WHAT IM SAYING!! Permadeath just feels like a tacked-on afterthought to these roblox games, and everytime people ask for permadeath on an upcoming rpg it irks me a bit

[@KasaiChoz]

Tanjiro disgusting immediately but ima be honest now we re just hating LOL

[@Shrekmanx]

I play deepwoken quite a lot and I completely agree its so stupid making a character for hours and hours (with no shortcuts to make it faster) and having a sweaty #1 clan member come over and kill you. Plus the builds are just stupid 3 hits and I'm 40% hp Its just really demotivating and can make your day feel terrible. I really enjoy roguelikes but this kind of approach just doesn't make any sense what I wish is just some kind of shortcut that allows you to make builds way faster not everyone wants to grind 10 hours just to loose it all knowing you will have to do that ALL again.

[@venade9997]

I HATE permadeath games so much, not because the game itself, the game could be kind of interesting in its concepts like for example deepwokens talents and attunements and oaths, or stuff like having a specific method to get a mangekyou sharingan on an no2 copy, they DO have cool ideas but all they can muster to do with it is lazily implement the permadeath system so you can keep losing your stuff and keep coming back like ants to sugar, you never actually get there you just suffer trying to do so, and 99% dont have an actual system where getting further rewards you with faster ways to get back to where you were, you dont gain anything from dying you just lose what you've already gotten, its so infuriating that so many devs opt for this HORRIBLE system instead of working towards making a game everyone can enjoy and actually innovate on the platform.

[@KasaiChoz]

YESS BRO ALL WE WANT IS ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT. THESE DEVELOPERS NEED TO TAKE A RISK BRO Male sure you're subscribed bro because I plan on doing a lot outside of youtube.

[@ODs457]

As a person whos never played a perma death game on roblox this makes a lot of sense

[@KasaiChoz]

LOL

[@sushitv1041]

Lets be real people only like perma death games for the adrenaline rush u get while ruining others progression. Its not fun it just makes the person who won feel alive while the person that lost is considering smashing his keyboard cuz he lost 2 days of gameplay.

[@KasaiChoz]

😭 shits so true

[@Vyke_Dragonspear]

Perma death works in solo games or games that have a very short life like i hate to say it but sweet home, being so short to complete only like a few minutes and all of it based off survival means if you die it's upsetting losing progress but no bigge

[@KasaiChoz]

Yup it 100% depends on the game

[@thechipgod]

I'll keep it simple, it only works if it's something not based on a anime, and also can heavily depend on combat system.

[@KasaiChoz]

Tbh I find rogue likes most fun when the combat is simple or a shooting game like robo quest easily best rogue like

[@byroncharles6092]

before i even watch lets just be fr, permadeath is simply a way for devs to not have to work as hard given the fact that players will not take as many risk to wiping their character, especially when late game progression is "do or die" devs don't have to put as much effort in when their playerbase is constantly wiping , and I think this is what differs a lot of these new rogue likes compared to something like deepwoken those devs take time to release a decent amount of content knowing that because theyre a rogue like they have the time to do so; whilst these new rogue likes are simply adding perma death just to be lazy with their content. i have no problem with permadeath, but as of rn it just feels like these guys throw in a "3 life" system just for fun i'd say the only permadeath game I'm hyped for rn is TOKYO:RE simply because it seems to have a competent team behind it, and the perma death doesn't seem forced

[@KasaiChoz]

Yeah I said that in the video actually so W forecast Perma death is just a way to make the game easily replayable. And I used tokyo re footage just because it's related to the topic LOL

[@jacksonmcgilvray4332]

bro wiped once in deepwoken and went to do allthat

[@KasaiChoz]

Easy content

[@jacksonmcgilvray4332]

@@KasaiChoz content farm era is now 🙏😭

[@KasaiChoz]

@@jacksonmcgilvray4332 LOL I'm on that grind bro and my opinions are prob the most controversial roblox anime opinions out there

[@zushisushi5805]

nah i love permadeath games. if i get wipe i do get mad but ill just make the build better than it was before and if i wipe someone i feel amazing that i get to make someone start there build again. i would say deep have a very good permadeath system you cmt really wipe in deep. u got 2 renewable lives that can get back all the time bye escaping the depths (which is easy). if u die on your last life well thats tuff. it dont take much time to make a build. Ofcourse i know not everyone thinks like tha but this is just my personal opinion.

[@KasaiChoz]

You're the type of person that's reasonable a lot of people actually do like perma death 💀 I'm not gonna say otherwise but what a lot of people gotta realize that's not what i was yapping about in the video LOL And all of this is my opinion aswell PERMA death is fun if done right anyways To me

[@Crimson0047]

Worst offender: Monad studio's orginal game, (Ik of Arch's "Tales from the valley" but that anit perma death, and not Monad studios,) Rogue Lineage in its prime. Another type of game I hate more than perma-death, (bc I kinda like them outside of the communities,) the ones that you gotta PAY to wipe your data, just make it NOT an option instead of having me pay just bc I wanna make another god damn build.

[@KasaiChoz]

😭 me finding out I'm not the only person who dislikes these poorly made games

[@portl1298]

It’s not that permadeath games can’t be fun, it’s that every single one (especially on Roblox) are designed by people who didn’t put enough thought into the concept. (I didn’t watch the video before commenting so hopefully that was your issue)

[@KasaiChoz]

EXACTLY mb if I came across as saying "it's not fun" like you said it's often not well thought out which is really annoying and most people don't put in thought into making a game that fits perma death rather than just slapping it on last minute. W understanding of the subject.

[@darling..............]

Deepwoken players acting like that their game is dark souls level of impossible 😭 bro like its not because someone is bad at the game but because majority of permadeath games on roblox never even have a good reason to have it because it really fit in the game in question and it just becomes an afterthought or more of a system that discourages players to pvp which isn't a good game design because that just takes away the fun

[@KasaiChoz]

Lowkey all of you guys have extremely interest perspectives and can Articulate my thoughts better than me LOL

[@timetellnolies9425]

It jsut the players who play it. it not even the devloper fault most of the time. Unless the developer make it so that higher level player can't battle weaker player it'll be better

[@KasaiChoz]

Nah I forgot to highlight it doesn't fit most roblox games anyways

[@timetellnolies9425]

@KasaiChoz no no I understand what you mean. And it a good topic that needed to bring up.

[@c-man162]

Bro lost his power 20 slot💀💀💀💀💀

[@KasaiChoz]

Ngl I got murdered like every time I hopped on the game LOL like I'm so unlucky it's as if I have a tag on my back saying "come get some"

[@c-man162]

@@KasaiChoz Brooo the first time i went on deep i got jumped by a fucking voidwalker that game is so ass i swear

[@Arden_t]

I feel like the point of a permadeath game is to literally just be hard. They are catered to the type of player who likes permadeath games. The only game that I can say gives the same rush as a permadeath game is Escape from Tarkov. EFT (and permadeath games) aren't for everyone. If you don't like it, don't play it. I can say though, there is a whole community of people who like permadeath games. (ALSO: Fun fact, a lot of developers come from the rogue lineage community. The developers who are making these games LIKE permadeath. If you don't like it, make your own game)

[@KasaiChoz]

The problem isn't that perma death games are hard it's that they do not fit the majority of games they are created on and there is no good way to mitigate the downsides to the game. Although I get where you're coming from do you believe perma death is the only way to make games "hard" ? Also it does seem like you have not watched the video before commenting due the fact you clearly do not have a clear understanding of what I was communicating in this video. Consumers are the ones we play the game and producers need to make sure it is the best viable product for consumers. Which is not the case for most of these sloppily put together games. Ty for the comment

[@twoforalex5713]

i feel like you just dont enjoy perma death games and thats ok dude 😭

[@KasaiChoz]

Well no I don't enjoy most of the ones on roblox I play other games that integrate the system better alongside that im a game designer and studier myself so When these game devs don't understand what they're doing it erks my soul. If you know what I mean but what makes you think I just don't like them? Had to keep the tone of the vid that way to get comments rolling

[@CookieMan-h8l]

Hey bro I see in gpo trade hop I did subscribe to you

[@ItzS1lver]

Also let me add on to this because theres something i dont think you went over, and as someone whos been playing like this for years it annoys me, low end pc/mobile players: Imagine losing all your progress in a game just because your fps averages like 30 and dropped to like 10 during a fight, its not fair, its inconsiderate, and basically forces you to have a good device to play and not everyone has the money to get a good one

[@KasaiChoz]

Bruh most of the time the games aren't even compatible with low end devices and other platforms which is crazy

[@ItzS1lver]

@@KasaiChoz fr bro, like for example type soul, soooo unoptimized like if they ever had perma death i just wouldnt play cuz my fps would drop down to like 15 and id lose everything right then and there

[@KasaiChoz]

@@ItzS1lver 💀 bro I just hope the newer games coming out will be playable on other devices because I'm tired of not playing with a controller. We better pray holy war x and rell seas is optimized

[@ItzS1lver]

@ yea 😔💔

[@blacktk2821]

saw you in gpo i subcribed#zoro

[@KasaiChoz]

WWW

[@olgadeleon9996]

Sound like a skill issue ngl

[@KasaiChoz]

Dw I'm the worst pvp player in every game unless it's a specific type of game that values more strategic play Won't even lie Like dawg I use jesterbox

[@cranktop]

You’ve definitely never played jjbad 😂

[@KasaiChoz]

Jjbad? Never heard of it what Is it

[@ItzS1lver]

Can you tell me what that first game was? Also i agree

[@KasaiChoz]

It's an upcoming perma death tokyo ghoul game called Tokyo re: the game actually looks p good except for the perma death factor. I think it also goes by type ghoul.

[@ItzS1lver]

⁠@@KasaiChozohh, im in the server but didnt even realize that was it, yea it looks pretty good but perma death is not fun

[@anichu4460]

Permadeath is fun

[@KasaiChoz]

Ofcourse until it isn't

[@ZaneShinigami]

*cough cough* deepwoken

[@Usersoupagain]

REAL

[@byroncharles6092]

deepwokens perma death doesnt really negatively affect the game as a whole tbh

[@mandem8201]

ok perma

[@KasaiChoz]

Perma

[@GrimFirek]

I like perma death games cause they encourage pvp

[@KasaiChoz]

@@GrimFirek I enjoy pvp too but I'll be honest it's not that they just encourage pvp they encourage annoying behavior 🥲 Btw do you think perma death is the only way to encourage a pvp incentive or do you feel those types of games have more depth in fighting or something? Elaborate, if you don't mind me asking.

[@GrimFirek]

@@KasaiChoz I like it because it adds a risk to when your fighting people which makes it more enjoyable for me there definitely other ways to encourage fighting people but I think having the risking of wiping makes you try harder also like you said some people are annoying so turning it around and killing them makes it even more fun

[@KasaiChoz]

@GrimFirek LOL won't argue with that yeah it's truly enjoyable when they try ganking you on your nightly stroll and they instantly regret it while you're gripping them. The risk is super fun if done right but I will admit sometimes it doesn't fit the game. It really just depends on the game It is and how they built it/ what's the idea behind making it perma death. What do you think?

[@GrimFirek]

@@KasaiChozi think if the only thing that makes a game replayable is perma death then it’s probably ganna feel just kinda annoying but if you combine having a lot of options of things you can do with perma death it could make perma death less of a annoyance and more of a opportunity to try a new build

[@KasaiChoz]

@GrimFirek people like you are what I live for "pause" Couldn't have said it any better infact I most likely should have included that in this video Ty for the chat and subscribe fr. My opinions are peak content. If you're already subscribed thanks fr

[@octavious515]

skill issue tbh jst parry block dodge nerd

[@KasaiChoz]

Nah only nerds parry block and dodge I take it like a champ then complain later

[@MiniBinguss]

why add perma death to a game even if not initially designed for it: -theres a community for it -people get a connection to their character and often are willing to spend to keep their character a bit longer -it adds replayability, even if not the best kind of it i.e. : -guaranteed players -profit -easy boost to playtime, thus increasing average player count logically speaking, youre probably better off just putting it into the game, unless youre making a slop game for toddlers. someone could probably do the math but this is what my intuition tells me

[@KasaiChoz]

Nice points it depends really on the playerbase the financial benefit of perna death games is often limited because the ones on roblox aren't very widely accepted or fun most roblox players avoid them. Accounting for more than 99 percent of target market The guaranteed players from perma death is very limited and niched making the financial profitability of the game overall mid. It only adds replayability to games that are already fun without the perma death system and some games are more fun without them anyways. Speaking from both a player and studied developer point of view its more sloppy to add in an easy system for quick niched audiences than to make a game that's generally playable for a broader audience. This is all just my opinion tho 🤷 and if we were to talk about it statistically perma death games on roblox usually don't get over 2k player so it's obvious these games aren't very fun. Logically speaking developers would be better off creating a game with a fun game play loop than just adding a system just for the hell of it.

[@pegasusrr3156]

You are bad.

[@KasaiChoz]

Bud I'm prob the worst player out of all youtubers. Tell me som I don't know 💀

[@pegasusrr3156]

@KasaiChoz lmao fair enough Anyway wanna bet ur left nut in a 1v1 on deepwoken?

[@ondrakotouc1389]

I am not gonna listen to a some dude who cant back up his claim. My reason? Unlike you not in agressive way but if you say there are other ways to give you reason to replay the game other then permadeath without any examples kinda makes you fall short. Try to get that next time maybe you will win me over back but honestly I have a feeling we let a permafreshie here yap. Dude even my friend who sucks at these games kept saying "Whats so fun about playing for hours and then losing the progress?". You guys NEVER ganked in rogue lineage, you guys never experienced the true collective wars. I do take into consideration this is your opinion but I think backing your opinion isnt a bad idea. However opinion without claims may seem flawed. and opinion based on more results can be more enticing.

[@KasaiChoz]

Eh there were other points I made but if you you're not gonna listen that's cool next time I'll make sure to give proper examples.

[@ondrakotouc1389]

@@KasaiChoz Yeah I am gonna straight out say also that you just gradually lost me and I lost interest mid way. Thats a flaw on my part and I absolutely dig it, don't you think thats a great flaw? Nonetheless I tried to give you some criticism that would help you and ease me at the same time so I hoped I helped at least a litle bit.

[@avuury]

bro u play gpo u dont have a say

[@KasaiChoz]

I play gpo because it's easy content blud. 🤓

[@Valentinooseg]

You're just bad at the game

[@KasaiChoz]

Tell me something I don't know I'm bad at most Games LOL 💀

[@ProphRod]

Deepwoken has been the only permadeath game I liked on Roblox. I've yet to find any other that was fun and whenever I see another permadeath game. I actually actively have a look of disgust on my face because I feel the game will just be bad not every game needs perma death it doesn't make it hard in my opinion it always boils down to tedious, boring, or just a game that doesn't need it at all why tf am I wiping just to do and feel the same thing or wiping in a game that mechanics I know I wouldn't be super mad at if i wasn't wiping. This is why deepwoken works there is SO MUCH build diversity people can say what they want about meta but you can make WHATEVER build you want in deep there is so many options its actually fun. Making a build isn't slow anymore and you have options therefore wiping isn't so bad you have options you first build can look completely different from your second.

[@KasaiChoz]

Same here deepwoken is legit the only perma death game that has worked on the platform

[@CookieMan-h8l]

Hey bro I see in gpo trade hop I did subscribe to you