Permanent Paint Unlock, Clan System, Gear Progression - Dev Interview- The First Descendant

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Hey there! Thanks again to Clyde for the initiative! If you want to see the full interview, click here! 👉kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ7bqHdjbdaYp5I Have a wonderful day! ❣

[@KeanuChrist]

You rule for keeping us all updated on The First Descendant.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

You rule for watching!

[@echelon8913]

We been needing permanent paint unlock. It’s the only thing that felt awkward to me.

[@MechaMan2012]

If it does happen, and it's a pretty big if, it's only something that's going to happen if people keep asking for it respectfully while still supporting the game in other avenues. For all we know, they may see dye usage (and lack thereof) to be working as intended as a sort of controlled, lightly used aspect as opposed to something they expect people to unlock all the colors for. Not how I would have done it, and I much rather would have done permanent pallet unlocks like Warframe, etc., but I have the feeling the devs just flatout don't agree that there is anything wrong with the current system, and they want that color system in particular to be how they generate a good chunk of revenue.

[@rinslittlesheepling1652]

@@MechaMan2012 I think ultimate bundles, that cost x2 times as much as AAA games (at least in my region) is already enough of the support. Selling one-time paint is just milking at this point.

[@MechaMan2012]

@@rinslittlesheepling1652 you would think, and it very well may be the case as Digital Extremes have stated in the past for their game Warframe that the Prime Bundles were indeed their bread and butter revenue. It could very much be the case here. However, it could go the other way, and the amount of players who buy just a couple dollars worth of dyes, buy time skips, a couple skins, could far outweigh the impact of the people who buy the full bundles. Yeah, they cost a lot, but if people only rarely buy them, then they aren't making THAT much money off them. That said... It definitely does feel nickel and dimey, obviously. It's not the preferable option, but, hey, here we are.

[@silvertaken]

@@MechaMan2012 I agree that it's on one hand they don't see it as bad as we see it, but at least they were sincere by telling us that it's working as a good source of income to hire more devs and start pumping up more content. I'm not sure if I heard this clear, but according to the interview, once they hire more people and see if the income stability is enough to keep going with a bigger team, they'll change the paint system.

[@MechaMan2012]

@@silvertaken if that's true, that'll be great. I would much rather have true unlocks as opposed to this system currently, so here's hoping they sort the MTX out.

[@hydrathorn3082]

It's pretty cool that content creators had this interview. I'm also happy that both Clyde and mosxy were able to be apart of it as well. I hope the devs keep this community interaction up, it's enjoyable and refreshing to see.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

It's nice to see that the devs are trying to listen and compromise

[@searchresults6713]

thank you so much for covering this, i love how willing the devs are to directly interact with content creators and the community at large :D your awesome biscuit

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Thank you! You're awesome!

[@deadRabbit710]

Thanks again Biscuit !!!

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Anytime Rabbit!

[@deadRabbit710]

Thanks for getting this out Biscuit!

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Anytime!

[@A2theC]

Sweet! Interviews with the community members, I see Moxsy also released a 41 min dev interview couple hours ago... Though I doubt there's time to summarize this as the official dev stream will be in 1 hour, they'll likely cover many of the same topics. Thanks for the short n sweet video!

[@drakoontag]

There needs to be a way to earn Kalibur in game, even in small amount!

[@a.maricely]

The permanent paint unlock is something I’m looking forward to

[@IdiawesKara]

one of the things I dislike, paints being optional is good for the game BP extra shop should have paints and hair colors instead of p2w itens

[@OrneryBiscuit]

As long as the devs figure out other ways to sustain the game haha

[@sarcasm-83]

@@OrneryBiscuit High pricetags, intrusive monetization and losing 40% of their players every month sure isn't it at least. If they think raising prices is the answer, that's the deathblow and the servers will be shut in under 12 months as the projected decline in player percentages would mean that in Halloween 2025 the game would have 5 players.

[@richardpell]

I really just don't think this game needs trading. It will heavily skew how we approach things and throw a wrench in everything. They just need to smooth out the progression curve and grind, which they seem to be doing.

[@Qballiz2kool]

Agreed.

[@sarcasm-83]

Then it needs earnable caliber. Anyone who is into cosmetics and buys multiple per season will be 100euros/dollars out of pocket every season or more and this game is not giving enough to be worth that in it's casual and mindless grind. (I'm 450 euros in and I've never bought anything but cosmetics and nowhere even near all. Just multiple for my favorite one and one or two to some others to mix things up. It's just that expensive.) I'd only want trading so that I could sell the meaningless dupes for a bit of caliber to try and "put money in the bank" and sometimes get a skin here and there. Right now, absolutely nothing in this game feels like you're "at least accumulating something" and putting money in the bank. You either get your 6% drop for the whole days of trying... or you don't. Repeat the next day... and nothing will ever contribute towards the kind of a goal that gets you something nice down the line for the days when you didn't get anything. That is a huge issue for me at least. Trading would give me "at least something to sell for caliber" (like in Warframe), but I agree that for those who would just buy the items they are after, it would then take away all purpose from the game... and that too says a lot about the flaws of this game, that the only thing you have as a purpose to earn is the tedious grind.

[@pseu6491]

Great video! To the point and love getting my information from you!

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Thank you!

[@marshallosantos9035]

That hey there soothe my soul.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Ahahaha

[@sarcasm-83]

A bit rich that they say they need some sort of sustainability for having the paints be consumable, when the cosmetics that are heavily sought after by players are so expensive. Right now this game would easily cost 100 dollars/euros per season for anyone who is into grabbing cosmetics they like. Then on top of that the paints, the descendant unlocks, boosters, the time gated research speedups.... they have every single attempt for monetization in. I can't help but feel AGAIN that if things were more affordable in the cosmetics field, many more players would purchase them and more of them, not to mention many more players staying in the game. I've bought all the skins I've liked because I love cosmetics and realized I've spent 450 bucks on the game. Counted the paints I've used and it was already over 80. I haven't bought any boosters or help items... and that's right now making me think it'd be better to "cut my losses" and stop playing, because playing this in the way that I would play a game in a satisfying manner of switching things up and purchasing several cosmetics, would mean that it is simply way too expensive for what it's worth in return. Their hesitance to alleviate any of that (as well as ignoring all feedback or questions about the monetization or chances of ever being able to earn even small amounts of caliber) is just discouraging in a way that makes me convinced nothing will change in regards to the expense. I get sustainability and the need for it, but I feel like very often less would be more in that smaller prices would keep more paying customers around for longer term. I've heard several people who have spent hundreds say the same thing.. too costly for what it gives back. Yet with smaller pricetags I'd stay around and keep spending every time there are cosmetics I like.

[@cainednd]

Couldn't agree more. Send them your message by closing your wallet. Much of their business practice revolves around the fear of missing out. So, as a player, ask yourself this question: Do I need this cosmetic to play the game? The answer will always be No. Sure, it's a cool skin, color, whatever. But you don't NEED it to play the game. I've spent some money on the game in support of the good work that they have done and a stellar job of responding to feedback. But, I also keep in mind that I have home and work expenses to pay as well. I find that the Battle Pass is worth your money, and maybe a skin or two for a couple of Descendants you enjoy playing. But aside from that, the rest just isn't worth it at the asking price. So to sum up, yes. Less is definitely more. MICROtransactions will always win out over MACROtransactions. Charge less, and more people will purchase. Charge more, and most people will think long and hard before they make a purchase. Wouldn't hurt them either if Nexon did a regular discount on Caliber too.

[@HaruhiDream5339]

From western standards only. This is a KR game and Asian countries have a much different gaming culture. They are no strangers to spending, and is part of the reason Gacha games do so well.

[@Ih8theleft-q8x]

its typical korean gatcha slop

[@Kennedy_1710]

Damn. I was really hoping they reconsidered changing the painting system. Is not good, brings back memories of Destiny 2 vanilla and the shader system.

[@MechaMan2012]

It's not great, but I have a feeling that this system is one of the areas that are "non-negotiable" when it comes to MTX, especially when you consider this is a Nexon game. I think we should keep asking for improvements and for them to reconsider, by all means I don't like it either, but I get the feeling that this is going to be an aspect where they put their foot down, at least for the time being.

[@Mksuper9]

Making paints permanent/universal would be perfect also letting us customize the default outfits would be great

[@mattiaperry95]

already confirmed that in season 2 we will be able to dye default skins

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Season 2, we will be able to customize default skins, weapons, back attachments

[@MechaMan2012]

First off, great video as always. By all means, people should keep pointing out areas of friction and give feedback, but it's pretty clear that the devs (and publisher) view the current paint system and crafting timers as a main source of revenue to support the game. It's not how I or many others would have done it, but judging by their answers and how the rest of the game is structured, it's pretty obvious that these are the "terms" they are presenting for their free to play game. Personally...I'm actually not bothered by any of it. Paint or timers. However, we'll just have to see where this goes in the future.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Thank you! I am also not bothered with it too, I understand in business perspective the need of revenue now that they are allowing single purchase for skins. Maybe soon more players come back and would generate significant revenue for the devs to be able to make paints permanently unlocked.

[@T1374]

I unlocked ultimate Freyna this week and found that I couldn't keep her braided hair style with the stinger on the black and green premium skin. You can, but you'd have to wear the helmet also, which doesn't look very good. I hope they fix this cosmetic issue.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

The dev plan to expand on cosmetics so wait a little longer haha

[@T1374]

@OrneryBiscuit I keep forgetting about that patience thing 😆

[@BMcAdory1984]

A field event would be good while unlocking permanent paint is a W.

[@corndog9482]

Thanks for the update!

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Anytime!

[@isidrocalderonjr]

Imagine if they added researching from your phone. This way, you can keep cooking and collecting research while on the go. This would be a tremendous quality of life improvement.

[@IdiawesKara]

you can. just use cloud service

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Oh wow I hope the devs think of that especially that they are making TFD app

[@LIVEYoutubeShorts]

We definitely need a better paint system

[@Phantosh]

Hey, Biscuit! Do you stream gameplay or plan to?

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Maybe haha

[@MrTomemac]

So no perma paints then….sux….

[@hanneswiehager2421]

Great summary. Tnx! Moxsy also did a Dev Q&A call. Not up on YT yet but available on Twitch. Had a few highlights :)

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Will try to cover Moxsy's vid as well! Thank you for letting me know!!

[@wheeljork]

Man I was really hoping they would give a little on the paints. That sounded like a hard no.

[@Glaz-]

Higher difficulty is very much needed

[@OrneryBiscuit]

This is very much true :/

[@sarcasm-83]

The kind of difficulty that will offer a challenge even if your gear is up to par is desperately needed. Now the only kind of challenges this game has is that either your gear has the stats to do it, or it doesn't. Under-upgraded gear = invasions impossible. A week of upgrading later = invasions a complete afterthought and the only thing that changed was my gear, not skill. That's a bit boring in the long run.

[@miloudaissat5215]

Thank you for your hard work.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Anytime mld!

[@yoteslaya7296]

Hey Hey there

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Hey there!

[@joywonderful5804]

I'm satisfied with the free paint. When profits get worse, games get ruined.

[@jhiieri7812]

Personally, I am looking forward to the companion and the pity system. Getting the Ult Lepic BP has been the bane of my existence, so after 25 failed tries to get a 10% drop, I'm saving the mats for season two. It'll be nice to be able to use the paints I've gathered through the journal and the vouchers

[@OrneryBiscuit]

i seldom buy paints because the game already gave so much free paints xD

[@jhiieri7812]

@@OrneryBiscuit same! My money is exclusively going on the battle pass and Descendant slots. I have yet to buy a skin and I doubt I will.... unless something crazy happens... like... an Iron Maiden skin... or I win the lottery... lol

[@roykiefer-tr1dr]

Really solid updates, but I do want the game's performances to be a bit better as far as stability. I get crashes at least once a day or twice playing this game for a bit. Console side has significant issues for frames and performances to for both new and old gen. I love this game, but don't like the crashes and framerate drops when there's too many enemies spawning or abilities being used.

[@mattiaperry95]

playing this since closed beta. dont remember from that time, but since release I never crashed once. Performance wise, i agree that a little improvement would do the game good

[@OrneryBiscuit]

If you can, voice this concern when qna opens up again, there were people who asked about performance issues and the devs were happy to help, even had their technical team look into it. Just make sure you give specifics and Platform specs to help the devs a little bit. Doing this might also give them ideas on how to improve optimization.

[@Chaplin001]

Man... permanent paint would be so nice.

[@DSIK]

BRO! I want to collect all descendants but im stuck at the paywall! You need to pay real money to buy more slots.

[@blastie89]

It's just a dollar for a slot...

[@iand3402]

They have to add something to sustain the game...currently, people that have everything or close to...have nothing to do other than login for events or crafting. Something like riven mods in Warframe give something to chase and continuously grind for while also changing up gameplay and build crafting.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Maybe in the near future they will. Currently, there are no contents that can generate repeat revenue. Maybe when they nailed adding contents down, they can think of something else.

[@iand3402]

@OrneryBiscuit Hopefully not too long or it'll die out and people will move on to other newer games

[@StatPadder22]

For question 3, the grind is so bad/hard i dont even know what an ult descendant is.

[@DeathstarMXR]

Every day this game gets closer to being a complete copy of warframe and not just a clone. I already have thousands of dollars and years in that game. At least I got wh40k games to play.

[@frankierosario6981]

Ngl no immunity for new bosses sounds so fun but I feel like then there’s nothing stopping us from one bursting bosses even with their increased stats 💀

[@OrneryBiscuit]

I wish the dev explore more on multi-phase bosses

[@AscendAndSee]

An informative video as always 🍪

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Thank you!

[@UltraStyle-AI]

Well to be fair, invasions were too difficult. Unless you play one or two certain descendants.

[@justforfun7112]

we have to buy the same color several times just for different parts, that's a form of developer greed.

[@blastie89]

Nexon greed. The dev team (Magnum Studios) are awesome but It's not them who control the monetization aspect.

[@AWESOME4710]

i came here to learn some information about game's future but instead i was blown away by your bunny build, is it possible to share your bunny build please.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Sorry for the late reply! I have a Bunny build video it might explain a bit better hahaa

[@justinfaulcon9498]

Earnable cosmetics improve player rentention as well

[@MadaraLUchiha]

By the time we get trading most of us are gonna be nored with this game lets be honest

[@wheeljork]

Clyde has the squarest jaw in TFD.

[@youhou21]

Lolz

[@CronusTheGreat]

hey 😄 hey there 😏 bro why you looking at me like that

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Hey there!

[@ndfreezy]

This intro was as solid as a stale biscuit 🎉. Much love to you biscuit, Clyde, and the devs for the consistency and free flow of information and updates

[@Blitz_Zayne04]

I don't recommend clans/guild. Fake friends will go ghost mode and just hop onto another account. People like that just want to lurk and catfish and then plot.

[@WhiskeyTango0420]

I have 13 presets I use.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

I need more slots :/

[@varsinzo4844]

Oh hey, hey hi! I saw the video I love these devs they're always listening and improving the game. I can't wait for season 2, I have my caliber ready. Trade is not a top priority, more content and game modes are. I really hope they improve the assault riffles, all of them suck, and thats bad because I love the Fallen Hope (i use with Freyna) and I think the Excava is the most beautiful gun in the game so please, MAGA Make Assault Riffles Great Again.

[@OrneryBiscuit]

I already am catting DP and FH hahaah

[@scatta99]

I support the chargeable dyes. They are very cheap. The game has to produce revenue to develop content and for the cost of the servers. Skins may produce revenue but how many times are you gonna buy a skin? Re-dying a skin can totally change the look of the character at a nominal cost. If you play the game a lot, you shouldn't complain about supporting it for a few bucks!

[@rinslittlesheepling1652]

I don't want clans, at all. I don't want to be gatekeeped out of content because I don't participate daily in some stuff I may don't like to do, or because I don't hit certain score by using certain OP characters\builds. Game is fine in this regard, you have people in the main hub, we go together in public lobbies, we bow to each other Dark Souls style on missions that we happens to do together in the wild. That's enough.

[@MechaMan2012]

No. It's not enough. Getting an in-game clan feature would be great.

[@mattiaperry95]

they said that they will look at the clan system from warframe. if they actually go that way, you dont have to worry. Clans will be a place to customize, to socialize and maybe getting some goodies

[@cookiebandit101]

No Japanese intro followed by maniacal giggling. I feel ripped off 😅

[@OrneryBiscuit]

hahahaa soon xD

[@cookiebandit101]

@@OrneryBiscuit RIsk it for dah Biscuit. Put it in randomly to confuse people briefly mid video XD

[@Ih8theleft-q8x]

the fact that paints only unlock for 1 character is unacceptable, thier prices are bullshit, like drop rates. Im done with the game until its all fixed.

[@carlosg.6537]

Hey

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Hey there!

[@Tenshi_Sora]

Aww :( I was excited to see if we get a new “Hey, hey there”. It was fun to not know what to except

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Ahahahahah

[@ramonaltamirano340]

What about trading only on Christmas? It might bring many more back to the game.

[@Finesse0916]

I actually watched it earlier today Unfortunately they going to keep colors the same 😢 I call it the pickpocket purchase. You pick one out of that purchase however i think it's a good idea the devs should sell the colors in bundles And put them in the shop. You get 20 colors for $15 etc. instead of paying $5 for caliber just to get Three or 4 colors

[@overlordtrazyn861]

trading has been a thing in warframe for ages, and it hasnt ruined the grind in any way, i dont think i can agree on that point. trading is one of the BEST parts of warframe arguably. people that wish to play for free can still earn premium currency by farming for thinks to trade with other players, while paying players support the free part of the community

[@bartz_man]

Trading wasn't in Warframe at launch. And they're not saying there will never be trading, it'll just take time for the dust to settle. Just like it did take Warframe almost a year to finally add it.

[@overlordtrazyn861]

​@@bartz_mani was specifically adressing how biscuit said at 2:10 that it would kill the grind. i dont think thats correct, if anything it would give you more to grind for. lets say you get ultimate viessa, you now have her, any additional ultimate viessa parts are mostly useless, eta did help a bit, but it still isnt enough. once you have everything youre simply done. now with trading, you could continue to farm, get more ultimate characters and sell them to other players to buy whatever cosmetics you want. meanwhile paid players could fund the economy and simply get what they want easily. or hey, missing a mod? simply buy it from another player! trading in itself adds a LOT of stuff to do

[@bartz_man]

@@overlordtrazyn861 I get what you're saying, and it's the right take. But it's not the priority at this point. Do I think they should do it instead of focusing on skimpy outfits and jiggle physics first? Sure. Yet the latter is what brings them cash. After that, I'd rather see new content first rather than trading. Having nothing to grind IN doesn't incentivize me to grind FOR it. And again, they've already mentioned multiple times that trading (using caliber) is coming anyway, and probably sooner than Jayber ever becomes viable. Anyhow, it's just me, but I totally get what you're saying :)

[@overlordtrazyn861]

@bartz_man oh yeah, i do agree, it isnt a priority, i would still prefer seeing it sooner rather than later

[@OrneryBiscuit]

@@overlordtrazyn861 When TFD will have 1000 weapons, 100 descendants then trading could be a thing. In the current situation, trading would just kill the grind because there are so little to grind.

[@sajethan]

Tactical comment

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Tactical reply!

[@dasanistar3284]

I don’t care about no fking paint are you guys kidding me 😂

[@zomfgeclipse]

I dont get the constant discussion around paint... it can already be reapplied to thay skin multiple times. And if you really need a colour its like $0.50. Really seems fine

[@adriandsilva9250]

First!

[@OrneryBiscuit]

Competition keeps getting harder and harder hahaha

[@Finesse0916]

Oh no! I have been defeated😢

[@adriandsilva9250]

@@Finesse0916 this will be the only time. I only wanted to do it once :)