Skydiving Fail | This Never Should Have Happened

This is important to share. Last year, I was on a jump with a 3-way group, and a CRW jump went out before us. We went around due to cloud cover, and then we jumped after they did.
I had always thought that high pulls go last and that would include CRW jumps, however, I learned that they usually ask to get out first and have two miles prior to the drop zone in order to fly back.
Well they didn't get two miles, and we jumped after the go around. I saw them the entire time, so I felt safe that we had enough distance.
Anyway, listen and learn from my failure! I learned a lot from the CRW guys that day and am doing my best to stay humble.
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[@keeponwishin]

Be careful with the “more experienced” skydivers because some of them can fool you. I was a tandem instructor and I had another tandem instructor with thousands of jumps more than I had try to convince me it was a good idea to take a tandem student up with 34mph ground winds into a very turbulence-prone landing area (trees on all sides). I was the least experienced instructor and I refused to jump, but two other TIs took students on the only jump that day, despite my warnings. Unfortunately it resulted in one tandem pair being dropped out of their flare, breaking the student’s back and the instructor’s tailbone. The lesson: Never be afraid to speak up if something doesn’t seem safe. Ask questions if you don’t understand the plan, and never be afraid to sit out a load if something doesn’t seem right for any reason. As much as we all are responsible for each other’s safety, we are even more responsible for our own.

[@PernDog]

Good points! There’s no one that can push me outside my limits at this point. I got three young kids and make no apologies for being a super conservative jumper. Thanks for sharing your story 🤙🏻

[@tedbates1316]

Sounds like they sorta pulled rank. High pullers should know better.

[@connorcarroll7677]

Yeah 34 is way too fast!! Plus the turbulence is sooo sketchy!! I hate turbulence!! That was really dumb!

[@MrScottChristie]

Endless respect for owning a situation and turning it into a teachable lesson! Stay safe and Blue Skies! 🌌

[@PernDog]

Thanks Scott just trying to stay humble and keep jumping safely

[@marksmith9176]

I appreciate when you put yourself out there in the name of coaching, thank you!!!

[@PernDog]

Thanks, I’m a coach but still not very experienced so I just try to share what I’m learning but always with the caveat that you should seek out more experienced and more knowledgeable instructors 👊🏻

[@rorytanner]

Thank you for sharing your experience with us. The lessons you provided are valuable and your delivery of them is fantastic.

[@kirkbauer2]

A veteran CRW jumper here. You are both right and wrong. If you have freefall jumpers with a mix of pull altitudes or even freefall and a hop-and-pop then yes the higher-opening people should go last. But the challenge with CRW is that they generally have to exit significantly downwind from the DZ. Assuming you are heading into the winds for the jump run then that means they'll need to exit first, typically way before everybody else. For example, if they exited 2 miles short of the DZ and then you exited over the DZ it would have never been a problem. You are correct though that the go-around causes issues here. Depending on the details and the duration of the go-around the situation will be different. If things go as planned for the CRW jump they should arrive at the dropzone area at more or less normal altitude (

[@PernDog]

Thanks for your input, Kirk. This jump was the first I learned about CRW getting out significantly downwind. Again it shouldn't have been an issue but the cloud situation put the out over the drop zone, which then made us have to rapidly decide and act on our decision. Without having the knowledge prior of what to do, things happen fast on jump run and decisions had to be made. I learned a lot and appreciate someone with your experience chiming in!

[@kensegel5909]

Any learning experience is a good one, Thank you for putting this out there, Looking forward to the 100th vid! I just got two jump's bought for me, my first, I am so looking forward to this, Love the channel, keep it up!

[@PernDog]

Thanks Ken I am always trying to learn more

[@TheFireGoose]

How did your jumps go?

[@marksmith9176]

You are a good coach, here’s why. This sport attracts a lot of type A-personalities who would never admit any mistake. A good coach understands they are built on a mountain of experience and training. More experiences are mistakes and if you can set your ego aside and admit and “learn something”, (your words) and pass it on. You do that very well with sincerity in hopes of teaching others. You are a good coach. Shaka brah.

[@PernDog]

Thanks man that means a lot. I try to find mentors who embody those traits. The most experienced and professional skydivers are very humble and always learning so I do my best to follow that example 🤙🏻

[@anthonyrutten4018]

I’ve only jumped once so I know nothing but you seem like you know what’s up and it looked safe to me. Looking forward to my next jump😎

[@fireman4362]

Thanks man, that was actually really informative. I've never really heard how an incident actually happened before just what had happened in them before so it was cool to hear that. I'd actually love to see some of your AFF jumps if you have em, Amber's as well!!!

[@PernDog]

Yeah I mean there were no collisions or anything so we were all safe, but the conditions were there for something to go wrong, especially if there were more jumpers. I don’t have any AFF jumps recorded but I think we have a first jump and coach jump somewhere. At $99 each jump I figured a bit expensive for video!

[@jackfrost2146]

To me, the "high pull last"rule is as important as the "strap your 'chute on before jumping"rule!

[@PernDog]

Yeah but they ask for two miles downwind of the dz so when they get that distance it’s not an issue. If they got out last they’d be flying downwind and drift a lot more. That’s my understanding anyway.

[@johnkeyes8633]

Thanks for sharing. Fractured my left ankle on landing a week ago so I'm out for the season. In the meantime I figure I can still absorb a bunch of good skydive info while I'm healing.

[@jeffgoodin4966]

Thanks for sharing this. Never seen a high pull not be last out. This was helpful.

[@CaffeineMark]

loved this vid man... cheers for the lessons. Blue skies dude...

[@PernDog]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[@KeepinYouUp07]

Good learning experience. Jump order has changed on me a FEW times in the plane by more "experienced" jumpers than me. Also, july4 boogie at my DZ I made 10 jumps & CRW got out 1st every time without incident. Never had any go arounds & CRW is fully aware of jump run. But if I wanna do a solo high pull I get out last, which makes sense lol.

[@PernDog]

It happens, it should never change in the plane that just means something didn’t go right at the loading area. But hey things happen fast ok jump run regardless of experience. Time is compressed and the nervous system is very active so things can slip! Ever since then I’ve made it a point to make sure I know what every jump group is doing and where everyone plans on deploying. 🤙🏻

[@skydive1424]

No point in getting upset to anyone. In Skydiving there is a lot of ego boosting and chest thumping. Bottom line is that everyone needs to know what everyone else is going to do BEFORE you board the airplane. I’ve seen loads of very experienced skydivers focused on only themselves and nobody else and come exit create confusion and screaming to others. Especially if you’re doing crew and doing things out of the ordinary, make sure at least the spotter knows or spot yourself and clear it with the pilot. No rules, just common sense. I’ve just seen too many eager beavers running around trying to get in as many jumps as they possibly can, completely losing the plot in the process

[@PernDog]

Good points!

[@Jmassey003]

Love your videos man, they're pushing me to get my AFF certification!

[@PernDog]

Thanks for watching 👊🏻

[@mercyshaver5264]

Thank you for your experience and wisdom 🙏 ✨️

[@madeinheaven8768]

You are alive that all matters ,be safe 🙌

[@literaryartist1]

Valuable info. Thanks

[@RobbieBackpacking]

PernDog I'm making my first jump for my 30th birthday this September! Thanks for helping me feel less stressed about the jump!

[@PernDog]

Glad you liked the video. I did my first AFF jump on my 30th as well. Enjoy!

[@RobbieBackpacking]

@@PernDog no way, that's awesome!

[@a.raimondo4183]

Man. sometimes someone will post a video and never get back any feedback that it made a difference. Last week I did a sunrise jump in significant winds. My group wanted a little freefall. Virtually everyone else did a high pull. Because of jump run and the winds the high pulls wanted to get out real early and first. So we pushed to the back of the plane. On the way to altitude this video came to mind and we all confirmed that there would be no go arounds. Having said that, I am still unclear as to procedures if the spot becomes bad for the movers? Are we supposed to land with the plane, fly circles till the high pulls land? How does it play out? Thanks for sharing the video. If planned properly, why not flip jump run, let the flyers get out closer to the DZ and then let the high pulls get out "down the road" upwind?

[@mazinalmaimani7291]

That so great when someone admits his mistakes. Please Be safe and May God preserve you all from dangers 🙏🏻🤍

[@PernDog]

Thanks I appreciate it and I’m always learning!

[@jonramsay5123]

great video, just had a crew at Z-Hills, getting out first, 2 miles out, we had one pass.

[@swat4hire]

You're not the one who was wrong in this situation! No way! The experience jumpers who were doing canopy knew knew that they were the last ones that should have been out of the plane! I think you are pretty safe they were already at least a mile away from you they were unseen so you weren't not in their way way but they were awfully wrong for jumping ahead of everyone else it was selfish ithe selfish it was wrong and they are to blame not you.. Great teaching moment though thank you for sharing it

[@PernDog]

Totally agree with you but now I’ve got three kids and if I start questioning the safety of a jump I will take that as a clear sign to not jump. Everything needs to make it through my checklist or I’m riding it down! Thanks for your comment

[@jtazevedo7104]

This is some info to take into account next time I jump thanks

[@unsavedfiles3007]

Well done mate! Great video 👍

[@PernDog]

Thanks 👊🏻

[@angelsimperfi1999]

I just became your you tube student! Thank you for this

[@PernDog]

Glad you like the videos 🤙🏻

[@maldi_tof2910]

the drop zones I've been to that had CRW gave them their own pass. They will get out higher than a hop and pop, but well below 10k when four way teams get out (again on their own pass). High pull was considered something else where you get out last after the wing suits (unless you are trying XRW I guess)

[@airbornemike380]

I swear I've seen this video before ages ago!!!! Btw what exactly is a 'turn around' in skydiving?

[@PernDog]

Yeah it’s a repost. Go around is when you don’t get all jumpers out in jump run, the plane will do a 1/2 mile turn and drop the rest.

[@ponderwonder]

Interesting. We sometimes have high-pull canopies go out 1.5 miles short of the DZ on jump-run at 13k so they can do their stuff with the DZ in front of them for their whole flight (rather than flying a pattern). Although, we've denied their request before when we have students/tandems on the lift, or any risk of needing a go around. In your case, it looked like they got out on a separate, lower pass. I can't see that being a good idea generally. Maybe they should get out on the way down?

[@joshuaneaslage2118]

Thank you for sharing your mistake I learned tons from it!!! Thanx bro Blue Skies!!!

[@PernDog]

Thanks glad you appreciate the info 👊🏻

[@dwaynejones8669]

CRW, Should always go last!, Good job for looking out!

[@mason_in_paradice7757]

I would love it if you could put a clip from the endless summer vid or a clip from your birthday vid:]

[@andypervin1197]

I live in the UK and have jumped your lovely DZ. I've Hopped and popped from the top and have been next to a CRW group as a fun Jumper. The CRW Groups always go out last if they have been on any of the loads I've been on and you have made the correct decision with the go-around pass. It is also Important for the JM in organizing the groups and pull heights, never taking anything for granted or ASSUME anything. If they can't get back from 2 miles then there is something wrong. When we have done CP work and I have been made JM and Spotted if it's not rite I make Him/She make another pass ?.. I watched a load before our group land way off and asked the group why? This was down to a new Pilot and I also Blame the group for not being Vocal enough Your first jump is as only good as your last.

[@gotrox1]

I'll see you, as you drop by.

[@PernDog]

Well I will hopefully be avoiding that in the future! I learned a lot that day

[@GodDammMarine]

Super tough spot to be in. I dont know any skydivers who would have taken ride down. I dont think your group is at fault. CRW dogs are larger cultprit. Who is ever gonna challenge the crusty, nasty, kooked out CRW dogs, I wouldnt.

[@rickybradshaw6867]

I love your drop zone man

[@PernDog]

We all do!

[@rickybradshaw6867]

Good to know

[@razor75250]

I just started jumping again after 27 years!!! My last jump was a military HALO. It may sound crazy but I was to stay pretty stable in free fall!! I guess my body remembered some of the training I had!!! I can6wait to see you and your wife a Sébastien!! If you don't mind jumping with a born again noob!!!!!....LMAO!!!!...A license complete! Im halfway to a B and getting my own rig. I'm also 6'7 so I have to become the human gumby in the plane!!!

[@PernDog]

No worries I’m always down to jump

[@TheFireGoose]

Damm I didn’t realise people so tall could skydive. That’s awesome, if not a little intimidating.

[@razor75250]

@@TheFireGoose i have my own chute. But most drop zones don't have chutes for large people

[@TheFireGoose]

@@razor75250 ah ok cool. What size is it? The largest My drop zone has is 300” I think. they are used for tandems though.

[@supersand7502]

Why did they jump first instead of last wouldn't they still have been able to get the 2 miles instead of disrupting other peoples jumps?

[@PernDog]

They wanted two miles downwind. I learned that this is actually super common for CRW, just never been on a jump like that before and it’s not in the literature. If it was a clear day it wouldn’t have been an issue but they dropped right above the dz due to that being the only clear hole

[@getmorecontent.]

Everybody should wear some type of tracker with sound. Just like airplanes are tracked on flight radar.

[@mrzuniga98]

which city is that one?

[@jumpmasterjm]

That was 20 seconds of information crammed 7 minutes 😅

[@intothemystic5223]

I'm confused...was any of the video the actual jump? And did anything bad happen or are you just saying the jump had the potential for something bad to happen because of the mistake?

[@PernDog]

No not the actual jump because I don’t wanna get anyone in trouble. There was definitely the potential for something to happen and after looking at USPA guidelines nothing clear to help avoid these situations. That’s why I wanted to share.

[@intothemystic5223]

@@PernDog thanks for the reply! I'm very inexperienced in this so that's probably why I was so confused. I just started watching skydiving videos a few days ago because it's the closest I'll ever get to doing it lol

[@jesskerr8734]

Listen too the pilot,almost dead u don't decide them good to gos lost track nervous stop now your so LUCKY....

[@yuriyumanskiy3916]

Wingsuiters always go out last. What if you have a high puller, with a malfunction, falling through airspace I am about to fly through? If high pullers want to go out last, pilot must alter the jump run and I will have to alter my line of flight.

[@PernDog]

I didn’t mention it because there were no wingsuits on this load

[@yuriyumanskiy3916]

@@PernDog you said in the video that CRW/High Pullers go out last, after wingsuiters, which is not a correct order. Something about how you were told that in training. I had been on a number of loads where CRW were doing their thing. Only once a CRW group asked to go out last and they asked pilot to alter direction after I exited with my group. We also kept an eye on a plane as we flew away to make sure we are well clear.

[@Tinroofdeals]

Those glasses were your first mistake.....

[@mikefinley4367]

Jump nightmares ... Multiple cloud layers, idiot commercial flight goes over DZ unseen & no radio communication RW group comes through cloud layers so close to the damn plane one guy actually waived at a passenger. 2 .. French guy non English speaking rattles something in the plane to student none understand, student does hop and pop and guy damn near falls into his canopy wanting to do a two man, speak the language , guy held world record most jumps 1978, bit it later. 3 .. Clouds so thick can't see the DZ or where the hell we are yet DZ owner / pilot tries to rock and push student out.

[@evertkleynhans2617]

If these guys were as experienced as was stated, why did they go out first?

[@theprivyninja]

Shoulda told those guys back of the bus!

[@PernDog]

They were already back of the bus lol but you can’t exit two miles prior if you’re not getting out first 🤔

[@madvidz9819]

Can anyone learn to tandem jump even if they afraid of heights ??? Is it possible ?

[@PernDog]

Everyone has a fear of heights. It’s natural. Anyone can move past that though with the right mindset and a little courage 👊🏻

[@ericjenevein376]

I know a guy with 8,000 + jumps who can barely go 5ft. up a ladder bc of his fear of heights. Anyone who says they don't have a fear of heights (to some degree) is lying. It's a basic human survival instinct. And actually, It's think it's more afraid of falling, than afraid of the height... Yes, you can overcome it. And so that you're aware; if you decide to get into the sport, you will have to find your own way to deal with and overcome fear. Just generally speaking. However, if you love the sport, and you're determined, it's not that difficult to overcome.

[@sailorman8668]

Why did the high-pullers not know themselves, that they should have jumped last?

[@w-roxieclumber4227]

God Bless everyone you can turn to Jesus before it’s to late you have free will!

[@DLehrke]

too*

[@knowledgeexchange428]

Man u look like AB Devillers. F.Y.I - He is a legendary south african cricketer.

[@PernDog]

I hope that’s a compliment!

[@yj10guy]

Sounds like the pilot messed up and didn't give them a proper spot for what they were trying to do. Pilot probably gave them a good spot for freefall and that resulting in giving you a long spot. CRW teams can go first if the spot is correct but generally speaking they should go last.

[@PernDog]

He did what he could, there was cloud cover where they wanted to drop and just a mile wide hole over the dropzone. Considering the circumstances, this was as good as it was gonna get.

[@OslerWannabe]

I'm not a skydiver; I just sort of caught the title while cruising by, thought "Oh good, a chance to see video of someone screwing up and dying." After watching this a couple of times, I am intrigued, but not for the reasons intended, I think. So this guy screwed up and this is his mea culpa. He is, by his own admission, inexperienced, and yet he's a "coach"? How's that work, anyway? And he has a video series on skydiving? How's THAT work, huh? It's starting to sound like a little more than the sport is unregulated. Last, he does what seems to be a nice job of taking responsibility -- to a point, anyway, when he starts fudging a bit, backpeddling on the responsibility thing, and slipping a few hedges and excuses in there.

[@gregggillott8551]

Hey Boobie... maybe you should move out of Mommies basement and experience the world outside of your Safe-space.

[@ericjenevein376]

The only thing that is required to become a "Coach" (which is not the same as an instructor) is to have a minimum of 200 jumps, hold a USPA issued "B-license" or higher and have completed a USPA approved "Coach course". Some jumpers (along with myself) feel that 200 jumps is not enough for someone to obtain a coach rating, as evidenced by this video. However, there are some really good (meaning really smart and heads up) jumpers with 200 jumps that are great coaches. Generally speaking, I personally believe a jumper should have to have a "D-license" and 500 jumps before being eligible to become a coach. Per USPA guidelines, you must have your coach rating and have performed a certain amount of coach jumps before becoming eligible to obtain you AFF instructor rating. You must also have a minimum of 500 jumps and hold a "D-license" before you are eligible to receive your AFF instructor rating.

[@bridgerwallin4355]

i would have just done a high pull also

[@PernDog]

That's a good idea that just did not occur to me while on jump run. Things happen fast in the sky

[@mtnman1]

Sounds to me like the CRW team was definitely in the wrong.

[@patmccaffery1543]

Are you wearing those glasses for a bet..??

[@PernDog]

Nope

[@Reaperdeathpunch]

I mean if they were going to do a HIGH PULL they SHOULD HAVE without a question asked gone LAST not first LAST. He even says that he's had people fall through the group before, you think that would make him realize he should go LAST it's not fair to everyone else on the plane that because they want to do a high pull everyone else has to wait.

[@kirkbauer2]

Unless the airplane/DZ is willing do a separate pass for CRW, then CRW can't go last. CRW needs to exit downwind of the DZ, in this case by 2 miles based on wind speeds. If they went out last on a single pass then they'd be significantly upwind of the DZ. The trick is that you can't easily change headings while doing CRW, and you can't spend ~10min going downwind which is what would happen if you started upwind of the DZ.

[@Reaperdeathpunch]

@@kirkbauer2 but they have to make a go around for everyone else on the plane anyways because of that crew so what's the difference between making the CRW HIGH PULLS go last while all the normal skydivers go first? Nothing.

[@kirkbauer2]

@@Reaperdeathpunch If the CRW jumpers exit first and then everybody else exits on the same jump run then they don't need to go around for anybody. There is no risk to freefallers on the same jump run from CRW jumpers exiting first precisely because they deploy immediately. The only risk is if there is a go-around then you have to be careful of where the CRW jumpers are. If you want the CRW jumpers out last then you would have to do a go-around every time. In the video he stated that they had to go around due to clouds and that's where the potential problem came from. I suppose if you knew the clouds were questionable then it would make sense to just automatically assume a second jump run for CRW, but to do that all the time is just wasting fuel.

[@earldavebob]

we can't land in the AIRPORT BY THE PARACHUTE!!!!!

[@wingsuiter2392]

Do you own this video? This video is a year or two old.

[@PernDog]

Yeah that’s true I had taken it down because the footage was...not in compliance with certain FAA requirements. But the message is worth it so I recut it.

[@wingsuiter2392]

@@PernDog It is definitely something that needed to be shared. The problem started with the CRW Team wanting to go out first. When a group on a load wants to do something so unorthodox and unsafe, the best thing to do is to just not get on the plane.

[@jesskerr8734]

I've been skydiving since 2002...kk

[@jesskerr8734]

Fast

[@unelectedleader6494]

Wear a shirt that says Meat Rocket.

[@PernDog]

I like that 👊🏻

[@renanreismartins]

great clickbait. apart from that, good info

[@PernDog]

Five reasons skydiving rules (number 4 will blow your mind!!!!!)

[@renanreismartins]

@@PernDog ?

[@PernDog]

Lol that was an even more clickbaity thing to title a video

[@brandiholt447]

I had to fast forward his talking

[@PernDog]

The whole video is me talking...

[@studiowithankz1958]

That’s the point, fast forward the whole thing = not having to watch it

[@PernDog]

You got time for negativity though lol thanks for commenting

[@studiowithankz1958]

Me? I didn’t comment it? I was simply explaining in more context.

[@ceezb5629]

so nothing happened? yet another clickbait video. KZbin should really add a third button ie like, dislike, clickbait... this way videos like this get removed from people's watch lists.

[@jesskerr8734]

Anyone can DIE

[@claudiofranceschi5778]

Oh you shouldn't of jumped

[@jesskerr8734]

Stop evaluating your low experience

[@PHATTSTER]

the biggest mistake was that orange fake tan duuuude !!!

[@chupacabra4897]

That music blows donkeys 👎

[@skyfool981]

"no hard feelings"????? You could have caused a serious tragedy. Very irresponsible