Persona 3 FES: Final Boss Erebus [The Answer]

[@myheroacademia4718]

"People aren't that hopeless" - _Akihiko, clearly never having seen Twitter before_

[@alexandersmith4731]

Would be funny if they referenced Twitter in Persona 6 😅

[@physicsismelody5581]

@@alexandersmith4731 But P5R is already cancel culture

[@alexandersmith4731]

@@physicsismelody5581 P5 as well tho

[@Archon3960]

Hey, f$ck Twitter. Akihiko can live without it. xD

[@samuraiboy497]

Twitter is just where all the worthless specs of humanity go to be worthless together the real people ain’t in the web like that

[@dgameskidHD]

“We all wanna die so much, we made a dog with a head on it ass” -SmashMasterShow (Top 10 persona boss battles)

[@WL-bs4nc]

Love that video

[@CRAgamer]

This game tackles themes around death in such an interesting way. Hearing what that boss is kinda threw me for a loop. If I lived in that world apart of me would be in that thing...that's crazy....and this games answer to prevent the human desire of death being seeked out, is to seal away the only thing that can do it. The idea that humanity willingly wants its demise. Goddamn I don't remember this game being so complex in its depressing themes.

[@CountDVB]

More like Erebus is born from the idea that Death means the end of suffering, hence that

[@michaeljames6737]

p6 repressent evil

[@roleemack1535]

@@michaeljames6737 wouldn't mind imagine we get a Protagonist whos anti hero

[@Carcosahead]

Shin megami tensei common core plot stories in a nutshell

[@Voldrim359]

Erebus is something born of the Collective Unconsciousness, he represents the malice of the humans, the hatred, the wish to kill... And the wish to die. Because twisted are the ways of the Collective Unconsciousness.

[@FlyingTacticianMorgan]

Metis: “It’s just too big” Me: Well Ridley was too big for smash and now look at where we are now

[@waterized_bottle]

Well, ask Yaldabaoth or Adam Kadmon

[@ssgss3kalijah846]

It will fit

[@Joker-jz8gw]

void termina agrees

[@IrvingIV]

"if we can hit it, we can kill it!"

[@slandboi495]

Mainly cuz they finally realized that everyone's canon sizes are very far apart from each other.

[@gorblintown8836]

4:30 What really gets me is that Erebus looks like it’s crying. It’s everyone’s pain and fear and loneliness and the desire for it all to stop incarnate. It’s horrifying… yet it looks so sad.

[@nazurin5982]

Also Erebus' makes a crying sound when attacking...

[@RedHandsRedKnife]

I think this boss fight is super creepy. The fact that ALL of humanity wishes for death deep down and in turn creates Erebus is so disturbing. However, I do have a theory that Atlus is linking all these games together (P3,4,5) and is slowly building to the fact that humanity is gaining the will to live. In P5 you change the whole public's cognition. However, we still dont know if Mementos was/is the entire planet's cognitive palace or if it's just Japan. I could go on but I think it would just be way to long.

[@vanessachowjiaying4423]

Kind of close. Even though the themes of the neo-era mainline games are different, they are interconnected in terms of psychology. Persona 3 give a concept of the evil within humanity's heart. The Dark Hour is a worldwide event as proven in the movie, though the Shadows were concentrated in Tatsumi Port Island, the place of the Shadow research. The Abyss of Time kind of reveal part of the truth of the researchers motivation to bring the fall; letting Erebus to make contact with Nyx to end all lives. For the P4 and 5 teams, the events are concentrated on the towns/cities they live. The Midnight Channel/TV World is the domain of Inaba's collective unconsciousness/cognition, while mementos is the domain of Tokyo vice versa. However, considering how the themes, though different but interconnected, if the dark influence spreads, it might lead to disastrous results by chain reactions. In a sense, the generations post 3, making the right choices kind of ensure that the past teams efforts won't go in vain. It was kind of proven in Arena when the surviving SEES were alarmed by the high Shadow reading in Inaba December 2011, but put to an end by the Investigation Team lead by Yu. Royal and Scramble suggests researchers attempting to pry into/access the cognition/Shadow world, even worse, might try to initate their events out of their selfish desires. This also enforces Jose's statemts of more beings watching over humankind and "they" can't humans be. What he likely mean is the past generations, the Velvet Room residents and past/current/future enemies that the generations have to face.Considering the events, it can be assumed that the P5 gen stories will continue for a while.

[@jamilgonzaga7081]

If you would think of EVERYONE's mementos, I have the theory that it's going to be the Earth itself, and underneath it.. below to the depths of Hell

[@dylanattix2765]

@yoyo But there's a difference between human' accepting death as an inevitable eventuality versus wanting to end everything now, forever. The upright Death card represents not just physical death, but also metaphorical death and change. It forms the boundary between "normal" mysteries (love, kings and queens, strength and sacrifice) and more esoteric ones (heaven and hell, sun and moon, final judgement). Individual humans may die, but humanity as a whole must retain the will to live, thrive and grow, as more and more passing generations continue to build it into greatness. What SEES was trying to stop was the will of humanity as a whole giving up, and letting Nyx end the world as a result, and fretting over one man's sacrifice almost dooms humanity again.

[@Voldrim359]

​@yoyo3725well, destroying everytime one of this creations change humanity, but a new one born again, like Nyalatoteph, Erebus, Izanami and Yaldabaoth...

[@Fleshlight_Reviewer]

That's interesting AF ​@@vanessachowjiaying4423

[@kowalskimaybeanalyze144]

That moment when Akasha Arts missed

[@Scanvas3]

Oof

[@connerzed3588]

A power charged one at that.

[@DonatelloKavehrsace]

And your pfp describes that emotion

[@lorelo.]

Should have begged Atlus for free Hassou tobi.

[@croak535]

Twice.

[@bossystoneham9319]

why does aigis look like the airsoft pro that just shoots all the children trying it out for the first time

[@Sm0nkyB0i]

Maybe Because She's Fully Decked Out With Combat Gear?

[@Yun_denn]

24:11 I found this to be really funny for some reason.

[@LowIntSpecimen]

B O N K

[@cpl.targrein1793]

I want non-canon spin-off where Elizabeth saves Door-kun...

[@gabrielmoreth4482]

I want it canon dude. Door-Kun MUST be saved

[@shibeking1809]

@@gabrielmoreth4482 that would ruin the ending of the game if it was canon so no dont make it canon

[@crimsonskrub8984]

@@shibeking1809 People always say this, but it really wouldn't. Death is the theme of the game sure, but it's one of the many themes. People harp on the idea of idea of "death" as the game's theme, but it's a lot more than that. The themes of choice, responsibility, and how you choose to live your life are even more important to the message the game's trying to get across. If the Protag came back to life it'd be fine honestly

[@yondabigman4668]

Persona 6: door

[@filipevasconcelos4409]

@@crimsonskrub8984 imagine if he was ressurected, but became one of the attendents of the Velvet Room? We could have him pair up with Elizabeth and be the receptionists of one of the new gamea

[@paperluigi6132]

A change of heart to make humanity accept death and live their lives to the fullest... Atlus, Persona 5 Royal. Make it happen

[@Shadow_Wolf_190]

Paper Luigi Atlus is hinting at it every game

[@jacobodosdos6468]

This

[@Evil_Beauty]

Paper Luigi you might wanna rephrase that... a change of heart where ppl DON'T accept death and live life to the fullest...

[@monsieurLDN]

truthseeker ikr

[@Pie_The_Man]

They already stole the heart of the general public

[@angriestjoker]

I know people have their issues with the Answer, but man no boss has ever yanked at my heart out of no where like Erebus has. It’s such a shockingly sad, yet tragically obvious, reason why it exists. All people, at one point or another, wish for death in some way. Even if for the briefest moment, entertaining the idea of dying helped give birth to this thing. It makes me tear up every time the characters come to that realization. It also makes this interesting dichotomy between the Journey and the Answer. In the Journey, the lesson is that even though death is inevitable, we shouldn’t live every waking moment in fear of it. In the Answer, the lesson is even though death is inevitable, we shouldn’t be yearning for it so much that we forget to live. This game is something else man

[@ThisIsABadIdeaSrsly]

Every year, Erebus grows larger. It just feels like the seal is going to break anytime now. So many wishing for the release of death. So many wishing for it all to end already. It didn't feel like this back then. Or maybe it did?

[@anonviewerciv]

He died For Everyone's Souls. 6:00 Impossible like Nyx? 11:50 Immobile.

[@patchyluna]

The timing of the music with the first Ragnarok being fired off was great.

[@theheadguy1212]

Coda Via time stamp?

[@Not-Batman]

That shit was downright sexy

[@fancyshoes002]

@@theheadguy1212 7:40.

[@hearty-dose-of-ranch6]

3:06 Looks at PERSONA 1: Oh shit wait they defeated Nyx.

[@jackour8167]

Another one of here avatars

[@genericname4168]

Erebus is legitimately the most disturbing thing I think I have ever seen in any video game. Two human torsos attached to each other at the waist with goat horns? Fuck that!

[@pavise6333]

Nightmare version of Catdog

[@bloodyidit4506]

Man then Silent Hill wouldn't be your bag lol

[@-Hee_Ho_Hey-]

Nyx's true form in cgi form would not let me sleep for quite alot of months

[@whydty]

@@pavise6333 or if Girafarig have a Shadow

[@darkmirrornightmaren8980]

Nyarlathotep from Persona 2 is also disturbing

[@nickbarlas5544]

I wonder if the phantom thieves killed erebus completely inadvertently? They stole mementos's treasure which is humanities palace isin't it? If that's the case humanity's hearts will no longer wish for death. Futaba wanted to die and thought she should die but after the change of heart she did not want to anymore.

[@TheNapster153]

Doubt it, Erebus is humanity’s subconcious will, no human realises this. The memento’s treasure on the other hand, people will admit to some degree.

[@nickbarlas5544]

TheNapster153 fair enough. It’s better off that way anyway it would kind of ruin the message of persona 3

[@lasrohapanjaitan2914]

Beside, The Holy Grail came from humanity's wish to be ruled by unknown power so they can lead their life without worry while Erebus came to fruition from humanity's wish to touch death, to embrace it, to know it, think of those suicidal people, Erebus born from such minds. The thing is, human fear death but they seek salvation in it too. Erebus becomes twisted because of it

[@NIHIL_EGO]

Mementos isn't the Palace of humanity, just the one that belong to Tokyo's masses. And The Holy Grail is the representation of the desire for perfectly orderly society, not for death.

[@zafool4997]

Put this way. Royal added a new section of Mementos in the third semester. The reaper still haunts the halls of this new section despite the theives taking Humaity’s treasure. Ergo, Erebus still lives, and Door-kun is still the lock.

[@lfvgamerbro]

This man kept using Ragnarok with no Mind Charge (Concentrate), this guy’s a legend

[@sunshinemonster0780]

24:10 Aigis:Everyone needs a Change of heart!

[@chaos_blue1089]

Phanton Thieves: *DID SOMEBODY SAY A CHANGE OF HEART?*

[@Scanvas3]

@@chaos_blue1089 *YE WHO EFFING SAID THAT*

[@fearhaunt6097]

@@chaos_blue1089 *ONTO MEMENTOS WE GO*

[@paperluigi6132]

Atlus has one chance with Persona 5 Royal. Maybe it can be the true final boss or an epilogue with better writing and characterization than The Answer

[@Evil_Beauty]

I highly doubt it tho. The next theme for P5: Royal is stopping an unknown entity from granting wishes, thus abusing such power...

[@nickbarlas5544]

Mitsuru: 25:08 Phantom Theives: Hold my coffee

[@neutralplayeroflol5722]

I think Mementos is just a part of the "Collective Unconscious" if they really want to have a big effect, then they need to go at the very center of the Collective Unconscious

[@justjoking5252]

Neutral Player Of LoL ...... Didn't they already do that?

[@Asehhar]

@@justjoking5252 no they didn't. Yaldabaoth was a god that messed with the people and the PT took care of the trouble he caused. But it didn't stop everything (sorry my Englisch is bad)

[@veemon9009]

@@Asehhar Your english is fine.

[@NIHIL_EGO]

@@neutralplayeroflol5722 They would need to go to the Palace of humanity to go there. Now the question is, does it exists and where is it ?

[@onlyespeon643]

The overarching themes of P3, 4 and 5: 3: Death is inevitable 4: Fate is not set in stone 5: s o c i e t y

[@k45oz29]

Exactly, people really Overshadowing P4 and 3 just because P5 is all about society

[@gachagav_gc]

I would argue P5 is about rebellion along with abuse of power, not just society

[@eziarc2080]

4: Something something, the truth

[@hanszhou6543]

I, uh, don't know about that one. 3 deals with death and its inevitability, yes- but it's also surprisingly optimistic. Life's too short to mourn about death- so live your life to the fullest and, when you do pass on- don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened. 4, in contrast, deals with truth and accepting yourself- it's arguably darker in some aspects then P3 is, in the sense that the truth in P4? It hurts. The truth is ugly, it's terrifying- it's all those things and more- but it's still the truth. Be honest with yourself- even if you don't like it, you still have to accept it. And once you accept it- once you accept the ugliness- you can move on and live happier. 5 is... simultaneously incredibly optimistic while being incredibly depressing once you take a look back at it. Let's break it down real quick- 5 deals with society and freedom- the corruption of society and how it's so corrupt, it needs kids to fix it. And they do! They convince humanity to simultaneously reject Yaldabaoth and believe in the PTs and restore order to society- bringing about peace and happiness- Except not really, because turns out society just sucks and the status quo continues. Joker gets arrested by the cops and government, who, even absent Yaldabaoth's influence, still want to put an innocent man away and ultimately only gets out because of his Confidants- and it's the point that Atlus acknowledges, that society's just too huge, too large to change completely without needing an enormous amount of power. It's frustrating, but simultaneously, it's *realistic*- because society's not something you can fix 'just' by stealing hearts- and it's hugely different then every other Persona Game, where there's no real answer given as to how one ought to address such an issue- because as it turns out, Atlus can't fix society. Not unless Yaldabaoth or another Demiurge shows up.

[@vgbcp3rs0na41]

What about P1 and P2?

[@InktheImpassive]

You know what? I can't even tell if Fuuka is being sarcastic anymore.

[@rattango9819]

I hope The Answer also gets a movie

[@corruptedteka]

After al this time ? There's no possible way.

[@player2-lightwater914]

@@corruptedteka OVA would suit more better. The Answer is too short to adapt into a movie.

[@Cando01]

I would like to think of that, too. We should get a scene of Aigis hugging Yukari when she apologizes to her.

[@despxir7897]

HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES

[@cmv_1869]

6:03 tell that to Ridley

[@novaxlii901]

Thats a really cool boss design, btw.

[@somerandom6883]

Atlus needs to bring my boy yuki/minato back or something because technically he's the only persona mc to be dead.

[@atlasreborn7221]

Well when he became the seal, he pretty much sacrificed his own life to protect others, so...

[@somerandom6883]

I know that much but the thing is that Elizabeth is trying to find a way to bring him back. That's the reason why she left the velvet room

[@secretiveplottersupremacy2043]

Umm..Tatsuya's dead too.

[@cry9297]

@@secretiveplottersupremacy2043 not really, he's just chilling on the Other Side for who knows how long

[@neutralplayeroflol5722]

@@somerandom6883 In order to do that, Elizabeth has 3 options 1.Try to separate all 12 shadows and contain those shadows without killing them in some way 2.A wild card user that has a power which is exact same of the universe arcana and switch places(or use herself instead) or 3(for a more convoluted story line) 3.Every Persona User joined forces and enter the Collective Unconscious and there they can make a big impact to the world and using all of their strength to free Door-kun

[@Demi-fiend]

So, based on this DLC can we say that Yukari was in love with Minato?

[@nerothewateruser8030]

Pretty much

[@Max1996YT]

This wasn't DLC. This was a story continuation added to only the FES version.

[@Demi-fiend]

@@Max1996YT it's just a way of referring to the story using the terminology we have today with the DLC. I'm pretty awareness that this story isn't a DLC though.

[@atelierbagur3831]

@@Demi-fiend still an inaccurate way to describe it, since even in modern day terms, this isnt a downloaded thing. Just call it an extra scenario.

[@player2-lightwater914]

@@atelierbagur3831 Just call it an expansion.

[@xhenjinndk2810]

Erebus used Mabufudyne Fuuka: "mettis needs help" "Yukari-chan!" "*Gasp* AIGEIS!" Mitsuru:...... Yep.

[@youtubewanderer3347]

I had some mayor problems with Erebus, but not THIS Erebus *Traumatized in 5%*

[@MonoChromaticNineball]

Final quote of the battle Huah

[@noticeme6412]

So many clutches

[@lislex11]

Just one question. How did I turn out to be the final boss! Yes I know it’s not a real me but still HOW!

[@cobrasalphas8752]

Makoto Yuki why not?

[@КирьяОрёл]

Cuz you died.

[@-king-1230]

Just because

[@sunshinemonster0780]

Magic and the original plot was so boring they threw you in.

[@MyoclonicJerkCough]

Erebus is a Registered Nurse? Who the hell certified him??

[@imaginternet]

Then in the fighting game Elizabeth was able to one shot that with megidolaon... Wtf

[@pavise6333]

That's because Erebus hasn't fully recovered and reached power like what we see here.

[@jackour8167]

​@@pavise6333nah, the game doesn't imply anything like that. Erebus came back because so many people wished for death. Elizabeth is just strong enough to take out Erebus/Nyx level threats. Yeah, don't be surprised.

[@Picarou]

Should've added Akihiko to your party instead of Yukari, you also don't have Makarakarn in any of your personas, making the battle difficult.

[@airbor3.12]

24:13 wow Metis defeat erebus Just with ONE HIT

[@sunshinemonster0780]

Indonesia TDM And it only had around 80 health.

[@airbor3.12]

@@sunshinemonster0780 ok

[@brandongreenland9632]

wack

[@sera_venus]

@@sunshinemonster0780 ok

[@Shadoxas]

If only the phantom thieves could do something ya know to change everyone’s hearts of not wanting death all the time.

[@Brian.lol445]

Honestly I don't want them to ressurect Makoto, saving his soul and letting him rest is enough, but doing so is just ruining the theme of the game honestly

[@nanami1594]

It would be cool to see though if he becomes like an attendant in velvet room

[@MuSICisLiFman]

Cant wait for a remix of this bosses theme

[@dfquartzidn6151]

This game is probably the darkest of all the Persona games so far...

[@matt4280]

Probably because the theme of it is death

[@dfquartzidn6151]

꧁༺matt༻꧂ Yeah...the canon deaths of the team members were also extra salt for the wound...

[@cardcaptorsylveon]

pretty late but i'd say persona 2 is darker, but 3 has some really dark moments and as said before the theme is death

[@dfquartzidn6151]

Sylvious Was the overall theme of Persona 2 death as well?

[@cardcaptorsylveon]

@@dfquartzidn6151 not really but its the only persona game where the characters fail at saving the world, and the protagonist has to live in a completely destroyed world alone.

[@Cando01]

26:04 That should be made as a 'what if' episode. "What if Yukari Takeba gained the Wild Card?"

[@mitchelljulius5875]

It's possible to do way more damage at this level, broh.

[@MrRaui]

Why does Erebus do a finger gun pose whenever he's charging dark embrace and uses an ailment move? It's a little funny to me.

[@pablovillatorogabriel392]

Makoto became the great seal with Nyx all himself to die on the journey

[@prorpgplayer1695]

akasha arts : missed me : *visible frustration*

[@Xel_ss]

Is this going to get animated??.. goddam Altus

[@bobochunkies6740]

Hopefully there is like Persona 3 Reload DLC of this !

[@k.w.pillsbury4070]

I actually won’t get the game unless that happens. Not out of spite, but because Persona mainline games just aren’t my jam.

[@ZA-TRUE-ZA-WARUDO]

Well well if this aged like wine

[@BeowulfFGC]

DOOR KUN!

[@Ginko1396]

anyone know the theme that plays during the Erebus cutscene?

[@cordonazo1089]

I think its called: darkness

[@xhenjinndk2810]

24:00 that last hit.

[@palpamemer]

Metis: "It's impossible, it's just too big!" Also Metis: "This axe will do nicely."

[@Enciodes_Silverash]

@@palpamemer metis goes bonk

[@jobsidian4219]

3:17 persona 1 protagonist: are you sure about that.

[@akositrinity7798]

If catdog has a shadow...

[@joelgonzalez5732]

So basically he became a door

[@adenji5776]

Yea door-kun really became a door

[@apollyonnoctis1291]

More specifically, he became the chainlocks on a door.

[@justmehere_]

thats girafarig

[@SenjumaruShu]

You will win at life

[@Yes-qv3nr]

Man

[@NIHIL_EGO]

Who's da man ?

[@brandongreenland9632]

4:45 That is *deep.*

[@reeznevhater]

7:13

[@PoisonSpecs]

It's so strange for me to see people switch Personas while playing. I beat 3 & 4 with Orpheus and Izangai only. I beat 5 while playing normally, and I don't know how I managed so many at once.

[@slonik0002]

Did you play FES or P3P with Orpheus only? Because Spell Cards make a huge difference

[@PoisonSpecs]

Portable

[@King-ww6ni]

now i wanna see erebus in reload

[@Valenciaga.CrocHeels]

19:50 music sync go crazy

[@lukerosales5879]

The Phantom Thieves blew an opening for you guys to save Minato. Don't waste it.

[@ZA-TRUE-ZA-WARUDO]

Kinda late but no they didnt. What the Phantom Thieves defeated was the wish for humanity to be controlled, a wish far more weaker and less vital than the wish for death. This is also why the PT could kill Yaldbaoth without any worries (since the desire for controll is not a vital desire) while Nyx cannot and should not be killed. Nyx psyche stand as the basis of the human unconscious, the moment Nyx dies humanity does too.

[@jordynisboredyn]

Bop, and he’s dead

[@ratnaandrajveerGaming007]

Yukari shouldve had Mediarahan by now

[@ziddars6282]

this is too big we its so hard to fight him so you four go beat him up while we watch -the left out team

[@mattimeister1100]

For clarity, Elizabeth is finding a way to free Minato’s soul, not resurrect him entirely. His soul is stuck as the seal and never truly passed

[@_Joci]

yep

[@retkun6958]

What is you're character level

[@gorilla3698]

i can see door-kun

[@ratnaandrajveerGaming007]

I had to say 2 things how are your moves just so weak I mean you are level 70 You could've used Akihiko because he has better stats than Yukari

[@mitchsz]

Catdog from the deepweb

[@TheOtherLPer203]

6:01 thats what she said

[@lfvgamerbro]

24:30 Jerry was here

[@ivonnesaysmiau]

misses akasha arts twice it's over

[@fullmoon9163]

The battle song is such a bop 🔥

[@thexslayer820]

Soooo the seals true purpose was to hold back erebus? How is that supposed to make sense? I really don't get it

[@cry9297]

Late but Erebus is humanity's subconscious desire for death, and nyx is a being that if reached by Erebus, will make that wish come true. So, door Kun sealed away Erebus

[@Alan-cm7ye]

Door kun sealed Nyx

[@pavise6333]

Think of it as a barrier that prevents Erebus and Nyx from connecting

[@jackour8167]

Both him AND Nyx

[@lainhikaru5657]

Atlus dropped the ball with Erebus. Would be cool af if they made Erebus be the sealed form of Nyarlatothep who gotten put to sleep in the end of eternal punishment. Would make sense in the lore and make people link the older games and checking them.

[@soluteserviceshousekeeping8705]

So there are saying I should die

[@razrsrealm]

So wait, if I remember correctly, aigis is metis, so how the fuck does metis knows things that aigis doesn't? Man this extra episode is trash.

[@ashadow4313]

games dont make sense i mean you beat a god so really does it need to make sense

[@phrinus]

Uuhhhh.... because Metis is her discarded humanity. That comes with memories. How are your reading comprehension skills in general, fam?

[@razrsrealm]

@@phrinus Does discard humanity usually materialize?

[@phrinus]

@@razrsrealm No, it doesn't. What is your point? This is the situation she's in, it's ALL explained in the Answer dialogue. Calling something you lack knowledge in "trash"... is, well, foolish at best.

[@razrsrealm]

@@phrinus ngl i didnt read that, just another triggered persona loser. there's a reason why normal people no longer want to be associated with this franchise.

[@ch1ckenballs]

If Elizabeth manages to one shot this thing but has trouble fighting the reaper and Zeus then is Erebus that weak compared to Zeus and the reaper ?

[@treanaharris2724]

I think that those two events took place at different times. Elizabeth fought Erebus three years after the events of P3 it's implied that she had gotten stronger. I don't remember when she fought the other two, I'm assuming you are talking about PQ? That takes place way earlier. Before Shinji even died.

[@blackchase6732]

when she fought the reaper she sealed all her personas and abilities and legs and arms power and was one shot away from killing him

[@ultimate9046]

@@treanaharris2724 Plus she was only a single level weaker then him so they were pretty close in power back then

[@davidlarkin1040]

Elizabeth heavily restricted herself against the Reaper and still was very close to winning, and for all we know she could have let Zeus take control.

[@pavise6333]

This Erebus was thousands of years in the making, with countless people feeding him with power from their desire for death which explains its immense power.