Peter Hitchens: Britain 'hasn't realised' level of incoming ideological shift under Labour

[@MrPuppypups]

I never liked Peter Hitchen. But looking at his interviews given hindsight, He seems to be a oracle. Everything he's been saying is now happening. He knows the workings of hard left socialism , he believed in it completely, until he saw it unfolding in reality. Listen to what he says, he knows more than you could imagine.

[@grahamdhv3812]

There's no hard left socialism in this country. This bloke said the Tories sacrificed the country for the party. Really, he's just an establishment right winger.

[@groovysoca]

What does Hitchens even stand for? He is arrogant, dismissive, patronising.

[@d-rex8223]

Who knows, he's against everything and everyone.

[@drmodestoesq]

Yes....this former communist stands for his own moral and intellectual superiority.

[@morsmagne]

The only time Peter Hitchens cheers up is when he talks about his memories of visiting Russia. He has a 'chocolate box' view of Russian culture.

[@SquireBozorth]

Indeed

[@candyman5912]

The guy (Hitchens) hates to be challenged. Check out his interview with KZbinr Alex O'Connor. It's fascinating to watch an old man behave like a toddler.

[@uapuat]

Peter Hitchens calling anybody 'dogmatic' is beyond irony.

[@grahamhireme9283]

But he isn’t running a cuntry

[@towhichwayout]

Why? He changes his mind frequently.

[@hypsyzygy506]

He did say that neither Cameron May, Johиsoи, Truss nor Sunak really believed in anything.

[@Rootle2]

Hard to call him dogmatic when almost no other public figure says the things he does and most people don't agree with him

[@yancowles]

@@towhichwayout So does Keir Starmer.

[@lols12169]

It'll be great if the country is run very differently from the last 14 years of disaster.

[@nemz7505]

25 years you mean

[@valuetraveler2026]

You have not seen anything yet

[@markfraser4254]

Yes 4 years of misery coming, wait for the increases in council tax; fuel duty and other stealth taxes. Then at the end they will probably leave the country bankrupt just as Brown did.

[@adam7802]

I understand what you mean but if you think it isn't possible to stoop any lower... well don't tempt fate.

[@Jessjoe1956]

@@nemz7505No he stated fourteen years, learn to bloody read.

[@craigwrightson6474]

Hitchens is brilliant.

[@airconlover]

Am I the only one that thought Peter was incredible and the "left leaning journalist" (so leftist activist for lack a better word) came off as a bafoon, Idiocracy comes to mind, Peter being the one making sense and everyone else completely missing the point and making dumb comments. I'm amazed.

[@ehnowthen]

He was right

[@eddesa5134]

Well time has proved Peter correct and those two idiots arguing with him wrong.

[@daviddavies2945]

Hitchens disappeared up his own orrifice many years ago, and shows no evidence of re-emergence.

[@alst4817]

Yes, I’m a way it’s quite impressive to be so far gone. I admire him!😂

[@rwo5402]

It's unbelievable that he is the bother of the great Christopher Hitchens

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@rwo5402 It's the other way round.

[@davidmacdonald1695]

@@Ruda-n4hNo it isn’t, this man is an incompetent pro-russian troll.

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@davidmacdonald1695 Read his books.

[@overlordddrp]

It's nice to be able to listen to this in retrospect, so you can fast-forward through Stadlen

[@Jezza_One]

Starmergeddon is coming.

[@piccalillipit9211]

*YEAH ITS GOING TO BE STRANGE* LIVING UNDER A GOVERNMENT THAT IS NOT INEPT AND CRIMINALLY CORRUPT...

[@paulmatley8818]

Your kidding, right? That vacuum between Statmer's ears will soon get filled by every minority group collective taking a dump there. Starmer is extremely dangerous in that he has no idea what he's going to be expected to do, but he'll do it any way.

[@Rootle2]

You're very optimistic

[@TheToonMonkey]

They will be inept and corrupt. Just a different kind of inept and corrupt.

[@ÆthelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333]

When Labour's on the same crown corporation payroll? Thank goodness Labour won't be able to do anything in office with only 20% of the electorate's vote.

[@davidgreen6490]

HUH? Labour are going to get in!!!!! The last time this happened the leader was wanted all around the world for war crimes!!

[@ThomasMadden-hd1oz]

I have my own dislikes about Starmer but it is the Conservatives own fault that they ended up in this mess.

[@freshwaterspaceman7194]

@@wulfhere83 😂😂😂

[@GODOURSALVATION.]

Vote Reform

[@benwratha6628]

@@wulfhere83🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@micdev42]

@@wulfhere83 I sort of know what you mean, but some of these stats don't seem to ring true in the real world. I don't feel I live in that 6th richest country

[@Shen89890]

It was as they abandoned conserving anything after Blair,maybe earlier.

[@CodeCancerLab]

It's crazy out of touch Hitchens again !!!! This is his fourth interview saying Starmer is a danger to the country just in case you haven't watched the others.

[@factstrumpprejudice6740]

This Hitchens has always been crazy, unlike his brilliant brother Christopher an absolutely beautiful human and greatly missed.

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@factstrumpprejudice6740 You need to read his books. Pete's the brilliant one.

[@MAC_ABC]

I have watched them all & loving how unhinged, panicked and defeated he comes out as. When Fraser Nelson can’t believe your Labour scaremongering then you’ve truly lost the plot. I’m just watching it for entertainment 😂

[@scepteredisle]

And he's right. That others are too low IQ to realise what's happening, they don't like hearing the reality of the situation.

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@MAC_ABC Nelson is like all mainstream commentators - he's clueless about left wing politics and what's going on around him.

[@DisleyDavid]

As a Labour sympathiser i do hope Mr Hitchins is right. I was resigned to the new government having very little power to change society largely because of lack of funding. He seems convinced Starmer has deep idealogical beliefs. The rest of us await confirmation.

[@shaun906]

funny how the election has been turned on its head lol

[@JagdgeschwaderX]

Lack of funding is an understatement, we have a huge deficit, as the government has to pay back old gilts/bonds they have to borrow more money at higher interest rates to pay the original bond holder back. That means the percentage of the tax receipt spent on interest will sky rocket further. I am saying this from a non political perspective, there is no more money to be borrowed unless you would like to see interest rates in double digits. This country is in a severe sovereign debt crisis and without cutting spending on something and getting it under country it will get worse and worse. Who ever wins this election is going to be handed a ticking time bombs and it will probably go off before the end of the year. I wish our so called leaders had been straight up with the country and told them how bad the issue is but instead they called an early election so they could get out of dodge before the bomb explodes. Did you not find it odd at how they called an election with only 6 weeks notice or how they seem to be doing everything they can to lose?

[@duncanpoundcake]

The lack of funding is a lie they tell you. Since 1844, the UK Govt has had the legal monopoly on the creation of the pound. The UK can never run out of its own currency. Even the BoE have repeated this many times and written papers on money creation being adding zeros to bank balance. Buying resources in Sterling is never a problem. If the Government can issue it's currency it never needs to borrow it's own currency. We had 250% debt after the war yet here we still are in 2024 and the sky didn't fall in. Japan took out a 'loan', form the central bank, the Central Bank it owns, to pay off it's own 'debt'. Any loan payments made by the Japanese Govt, are returned to the Government account in BoJ. That's how ridiculous it is. It's just a book-keeping exercise. This is how Govts and Central banks work.

[@Ti-up3dv]

How are you sure the “deep ideological beliefs” you so hope will be put into practice will bring forth the kind of wonderful world you are hoping for?

[@DisleyDavid]

@@Ti-up3dv I can't be sure but I definitely know the Tories will continue with their incompetence if re-elected. I am not expecting a wonderful world.

[@user-bu9nb8wr6e]

The man was right.

[@juanitoingles9853]

This man has lost his marbles big time. For goodness sake stop taking him seriously and giving him air time.

[@Rootle2]

Yes, get rid of opinions that challenge your own

[@kityhawk2000]

​@Rootle2 there's a difference between opinions that challenge and opinions that are nonsense. Do you want to hear a flat-earthers opinion in a scientific documentary?

[@Rootle2]

@@kityhawk2000 If he has anything interesting to say. Depends if it's relevant or not. Of course I think most flat-earthers are silly but there was one guy who actually was genuinely curious, did calculations and even flew up in a plane to see the curvature for himself. That's more than can be said for most lay people who just accept scientific consensus without learning the science themselves. So fair play to him

[@gareth2736]

He was pretty contradictory in his view that Blair was both deeply ideological and just a puppet of Alistair Campbell. Ridiculous statement that was just meant to sound clever and cynical (Blair's biggest detractors never thought he was just a puppet)...

[@Rootle2]

@@gareth2736 So you can't be both ideological and take orders from your supervisor who has the same ideology?

[@andrews1376]

He just waffles on without saying anything noteworthy

[@Edward-cv2gw]

He says something more interesting and original than you'll find anywhere else.

[@oojimmyflip]

Miserarable old sod, cheer up mate, its an election not a bloody funeral.

[@PoppiesAndPride]

ITS NOT A JOKE LABOUR WILL FINISH US

[@fasteddyuk]

People who use all capitals aren't taken seriously.

[@willtricks9432]

@@PoppiesAndPride Too late the Tories have done that.

[@samuelfawell9159]

It’s a funeral for the Tories, that’s why he’s trying to scare people

[@samuelfawell9159]

@@PoppiesAndPrideand the Tories have been bleeding the country for 14 years, time for them to go

[@randomnesspersonified]

Interesting reading the comments at this point in time, with Labour in power and what's happened already.

[@Bruno-ho5jl]

Hard to believe that the same mother who birthed the great Christopher Hitchens also birthed this pretentious poseur.

[@Ruda-n4h]

Read his books. Peter has decades of hard experience of politics around the world.

[@willtricks9432]

@@Ruda-n4h He is still only a writer, and has one vote like the rest of us. As distant from humans as Sunak.

[@RasmusDyhrFrederiksen]

Still, he is interesting person and willing to have discussions about big subjects. That is valuable in it self. Even if he is a conservative old fogey in many aspects ;-)

[@_Stroda]

The half sensible things he comes out with are so massively outweighed by nonsensical drivel that it's really not worth paying much attention to him.

[@TheLucanicLord]

With the Kennedys the wrong brother died twice.

[@GarethMachin-rb2sg]

Listening to this again he just goes on with himself. Can't you wheel out anybody with something more interesting and relevant to say. It's like watching paint dry.

[@Suggsonbass]

you're a bit tough on paint

[@binkyboobosh1]

He's a columnist for the Mail so Dacre is telling him what to say... Was there ever a more vile man??

[@Edward-cv2gw]

It's because you don't understand any nuanced or intelligent commentary that you find it boring. You need slogans or chants for you to absorb the info.

[@antonysmyth2464]

Peter’s ideology met it’s natural end in the 1920s.

[@adampowell5376]

He never seems to say anythin sensible.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Yes. Christopher would run rings around him if he were still with us.

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@rogerphelps9939 Pete's a genius on what has happened to Britain since 1964.

[@aclark903]

Really?

[@briannewton3535]

Do you mean the "seriously dogmatic" doctrine of the bible, and the "seriously dogmatic" universe creating wizard arbiter wielding this power? I think Christianity is still rife currently.

[@MarjorieStoker-oj8fh]

They will regret voting Starmer in

[@moomin7461]

Who's they?

[@Sandwich13455]

​@@moomin7461voters?

[@kalaharisurfer9605]

Not as much as people will regret for again re-electing the Tory party.

[@JesusLovesYou-w4s]

Fake News

[@louispearson8306]

What will we regret? Explain your hypothesis please as opposed to this vacuous posturing

[@TwelveTwelveEightTwo]

I've never been able to get a sense of Peter's moral compass. I'm settling on the idea that he's an absurdist performance artist.

[@Jack-e5t]

hes a tory, he doesnt have one.

[@samargles]

He’s not a Tory. He’s conservative

[@tobiastrier]

Isn’t it just being a contrarian as long as it brings attention?

[@TwelveTwelveEightTwo]

@@tobiastrier I think that's pretty spot on.

[@lokensicarius9347]

He's amoral, he only cares about himself and his.

[@JeromeDeschamps1]

From outside the UK it looks as though no government could do worse than the conservatives have. I'm hard pressed to think of anything they got right.

[@heathen-greaser]

Don’t know if Labour will do worse but they won’t do any better than the Tory’s. Different faces of the same coin. Neither care for the people

[@heathen-greaser]

Don’t know if Labour will do any worse than the Tory’s but they won’t do any better! Different faces of the same coin. Neither care for the people and both are compulsive liars.

[@heathen-greaser]

Don’t know if Labour will do any worse than the Tory’s but they won’t do any better! Different faces of the same coin. Neither care for the people and both are compulsive liars.

[@heathen-greaser]

Don’t know if Labour will do any worse than the Tory’s but they won’t do any better! Different faces of the same coin. Neither care for the people and both are compulsive liars.

[@heathen-greaser]

Don’t know if Labour will do any worse than the Tory’s but they won’t do any better! Different faces of the same coin. Neither care for the people and both are compulsive liars.

[@CeticWales]

Peter Hitchens is barking mad and this proves it.

[@scepteredisle]

facts don't care about your feelings

[@CeticWales]

@@scepteredisle Yes and the fact is that PeterHitchens is barking mad.

[@captainbadger1013]

​@@CeticWalesHe's a shadow of his brother.

[@mrcockney-nutjob3832]

@@captainbadger1013 Agree, loved how Christopher Hitchens went after those Isl*mic fascists.

[@SagaciousFrank]

​​@@captainbadger1013, his brother who liked Tony Blair and Stephen Fry, and invading foreign countries illegally? Yeah, top bloke that CH.

[@adampowell5376]

I cannot understand why Peter Hitchens gets invited on these programmes.

[@patrikfloding7985]

Mouth stuffed with plums, is why.

[@D_isco_D_ancer]

England is a class system country. Upper class no matter how mediocre you are will always be treated like the rulers.

[@YUDNSAY]

They invite many who parrot the narratives of the murdochs.

[@Rootle2]

​​​​@@D_isco_D_ancer Have you not experienced the last 60 years? This comment section alone is evidence that nowadays someone with too plummy a voice is ridiculed by assigning them to the upper class (he's not), something now seen as bad in an of itself

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

He is well established in the media. Plus - despite his view of himself as some sort of outsider or rebel, his views are actually still stuck firmly in the Overton Window of acceptable political debate.

[@xgonne]

Christopher Hitchens was a great man.

[@adrianhughes7515]

His brother, less so.

[@d-rex8223]

Hitchens (Peter) called him a Stalinist!

[@sirrodneyffing1]

Yes. His brother Peter is useless.. a sad sibling living his life in the shadow of his older brother.

[@mogzybuster]

@@adrianhughes7515 Peter the (less) Great, not a vey punchy title however accurate 😆

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@sirrodneyffing1His brother just had a better speaking voice.

[@lucasjames7524]

As an American, Peter Hitchens has the vibe of someone who dropped out of the Victorian Era. I'd say that he invented a time machine, but his would only go backward.

[@jondarbyshire-s7k]

Look up Rees Mogg he is even worse.

[@Rootle2]

Because past=bad and present=good

[@motorcyclemadness6006]

😂 😂😂😂😂

[@73elephants]

​@@jondarbyshire-s7kHitchens and Mogg are complementary reactions to the left: Peter Hitchens rings the bells of doom as he bewails the leftists' imbecilic attraction to imbecilic theories. Rees Mogg, meanwhile, represents a response to the anti-traditionalism and anti-natalism of the Left: He and his wife have babies while the left refuses to do so. They dress elegantly while the left (by and large) refuses to do so. Hitchens highlights what wrong with the left, and Mogg shows a way out of the Slough of leftist Despond.

[@Ti-up3dv]

Why do so many people think this is some kind of clever argument. The age of something has literally zero bearing on whether or not it has value. Why don’t you debate his ideas rather than commenting on whether he is fashionable? Conformity to fashion has enabled some of the worst events in global history. Why is it an insult to say “this man doesn’t sound the same as everyone else”?

[@Teddysounds]

Why does this man get any airtime?

[@vincentblack7467]

What about Mathew is he OK for you...

[@nelch]

Riding his brothers coattails

[@Ruda-n4h]

He's speaks uncomfortable truths which people don't want to hear.

[@briannewton3535]

Flat earthers can get airtime, Young Earth Creationists get airtime also. People with outdated and dogmatic beliefs such as Peter Hitches, do seem to believe they have credible ideas and claims, such as believing that a magical deity is the only power allowed to be "seriously dogmatic".

[@gio-oz8gf]

@@Ruda-n4h Which uncomfortable truths did he speak in this interview? I only ask because most of what I heard was his usual incoherent clap-trap.

[@mrpocock]

The Blair years, in the round, were good to us. Especially so when compared to the last decade and a half of Tory rule.

[@bakedbean37]

But Peter only cares about conservative type people. He was projecting in this interview when he said Labour would only work for Labour voters. Projection. Pure and simple.

[@wongfeihung9724]

If you've not been affected by the consequences of unprecedented immigration, constitutional changes to how you're governed, devolution of Scotland and Wales, over-expansion of university education and student debt, war in Iraq and Afghanistan, plundering of gold reserves and pensions, punishing levels of national debt through public/private financing of services/infrastructure.... then yes, in the round, those Labour years were good for you. The Tories, to their shame, continued the motion to bring a total of 27 lost years for the UK. New Socialism, Multi-culturalism, Woke ideology, DEI and overall lack of vision and courage has finished the job. Britain is now a shell of its former self and weaker than it has ever been on every level. You've been hollowed out. Good luck with that. WFH

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@wongfeihung9724 I was just going to mention all those myself but you got there before me. I would add - politicised the police force, judiciary and civil service, and surrendered to the IRA under pressure from the U.S., oh, and ruined dentistry as well.

[@stevend9960]

Agee on all points. The masses just remember the 90s positively and associate that with Bliar. They don’t realise the mess we’re in is because of Bliar, Brown and Campbell.

[@mrpocock]

@@stevend9960 we've had 14 years of the tories in power. They've had more than enough time to put things right. Instead they've made everything worse.

[@peterprice6035]

If you get a Labour leader / potential PM who believes in a bit more state intervention but is essentially centrist, he's called 'dogmatic'. If you get a Tory leader / potential PM who is a rabid free marketeer, they're not labelled 'dogmatic'.

[@jackdubz4247]

No, they are hailed as a sensible chap who understands how the real world works.

[@eddyd63]

Yep we've had 10 years of pure Tory dogma and nothing else.

[@ntr0pic]

@@jackdubz4247 Which is more than a little ironic.

[@liamgallagher3477]

Starmer was a member of a trotskyist sect know as pabloism while he was training to become a lawyer, they strongly favour Green policies and sexualised cultural propaganda policies, left wings views hes admitted to still holding, that would be the Dogmatic views peter refers to because they heavily influence his politics. You don't have to like him but Peter has a great understanding of these marxist ideologies and understands their consequences better than most.

[@rolandhawken6628]

No they get called far right ,it is all media BS that the mugs fall for

[@owlsrace]

Dominic Cummings became PM with Johnson as his glove puppet and as soon as he sacked Cummings, Johnson nosedived and spectacularly crashed.

[@randomcamerajunk6977]

Well this aged well😂

[@IainG81]

Matthew Stadlan adds nothing to this debate, I would have rather have skipped over all his contributions which was general waffle.

[@The.Authoritarian.Overwatch]

Hitchens should crawl back into whatever sinkhole Time Radio found him in!

[@loyalroyal]

Hitchens is a right wing windbag. All his concerns are what I want.

[@RocketRenton]

[@Dunbar0740]

Blair's government was continuity Majorism. He took Conservative policy to its logical conclusion by taking politics out of the BofE and leaving rate setting to the technocrats. To blame Blair for the "breakup" of the UK is inverting reality.

[@newsgeekus1216]

Agree!!!! it will be a cataclysmic change; shifting from incompetence to competence.

[@willempasterkamp862]

no

[@laurencefegan1875]

The Labour Party that people vote in will NOT be the same a year from the election. I feel more than a little sorry for Angela Rayner because she is a principled person who will have to face some very unpopular truths. I'm really not sure that she will be up to backing some very unpopular choices.

[@veggie42]

Yes she's been f over

[@dannymurphy1779]

This guy Hitchins is just so flaky it's unbelievable, what is his actual qualification for giving out opinions??? What has he actually done in life??? He's never been a politician or a SPAD, nor is he an academic, he has no expert knowledge or authority. It really annoys me when people present themselves as experts when they haven't walked the walk. Don't tolerate it.

[@michaelmccomb2594]

Like most people on these programs he has been a journalist for his whole adult life. He would actually probably consider himself an expert on left wing politics because he was part of the Trotsky movement during his youth and later lived and worked in Soviet Russia as a correspondent for the Daily Express

[@patrikfloding7985]

@@michaelmccomb2594so he’s projecting his own earlier naiveties on everyone else?

[@michaelmccomb2594]

@@patrikfloding7985 I assume he would said on the far-left side, that he has experience being part of the movement, so he knows how these people think, in a way that people without his experience don’t.

[@Rootle2]

He doesn't present himself as an expert, in fact he often points it out. How can you assume he has no credentials when you know nothing about him and haven't bothered to find out?

[@theant9821]

Hes a journalist and disillusioned former far left socialist, he knows a fair bit about the far left that isn't obvious from near the centre.

[@johnwebster5005]

He's right about lying Starmer - but what a shower the Tory party is.

[@Stephanie-wf6xr]

Hitchens scared, all tax loopholes closed😂😂

[@advocate1563]

Money already left and us too. Smiling.

[@ÆthelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333]

Labour won't be able to do anything with only 20% of the electorate's vote.

[@marknaisby7384]

No loopholes will be stopped ..there are 22 thousand pages of tax avoidance in the uk . No government ever dissolves them .regards

[@SagaciousFrank]

If you weren't so bereft of grey matter, you'd understand that more tax and no chance of escaping it is bad for you as well. I'm working class, and I'd legally avoid the government taking my hard earned money if I could, considering the little I receive back in return for such monetary misappropriation.

[@MrSensible2]

Any ideological shift away from what we have now is to be very much welcomed. The last 14 years of Tory rule has been nothing short of disastrous & everyone can see it!

[@gillianslater9227]

HAHAHA.!! AND YOU THINK IT WILL BE BETTER UNDER LABOUR, YOU NOT SEEN ANYTHING YET,100% ONLY YOURSELF TO BLAME.??!!

[@MrSensible2]

@@gillianslater9227 Ridiculous person!

[@gillianslater9227]

@@MrSensible2 HAHAHA.! 100% MORE SENSIBLE THAN YOU, SUNSHINE.!!! YOUR NAME NOT WORKING FOR YOU. AH.!!!!!! VOTE REFORM, REFORM, REFORM.100%.!!

[@quintinphillips]

The rich gready horder class have taken so much currency from the country that the economy is struggling to make ends meet.

[@jeffsimon9594]

*greedy *hoarder

[@Ruda-n4h]

The pigs at the welfare state trough have done that. Oink.

[@llarmerfarmer5905]

@@jeffsimon9594maybe if tories hadn’t funnelled money from schools it would be spelled write ( also jokes dyslexia and typos exists)

[@jeffsimon9594]

@@llarmerfarmer5905 Some kids simply don't want to learn no matter how much taxpayers' cash is blasted into schools.

[@beaufryer2042]

@@jeffsimon9594Might as well just get rid of school altogether then and those that want to learn can find their own way, if the argument that a small percentage of children don’t wish to learn.

[@johntwohats.1479]

reading these comments now I month later. Hitchens was spot on.

[@IWAYAE]

What’s this guy on?

[@chickenbites8877]

He’s a Daily mail writer, says it all

[@nelch]

Nothing, I think that's the problem

[@alexhenderson1312]

His own ego and narcissism! 👎

[@jondarbyshire-s7k]

@@alexhenderson1312 A bit like that other Mail writer, forgot his name, had numerous kids and is quite mad.

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

On his bicycle(as he loves riding it) - and not an E-scooter, as he thinks they should be banned. Definitely not drugs though - as don't get him started on debating that.

[@barriewilliams4526]

Labour is already cozying up to Islam. Vote Labour, get Islam! Vote Reform, help get your country back.

[@petefl1818]

Perhaps Hitchens isn't ready for the shift but most of the country has been for years.

[@Edward-cv2gw]

No the country doesn't want to become more woke,more crime ridden and more green.

[@thegoat11111]

Whatever Peter Hitchens suggests do the opposite and you can't go far wrong.

[@Ruda-n4h]

Hitchens is always right but people don't realise until about 10 years later then it's too late.

[@Jessjoe1956]

@@Ruda-n4h And now can you tell us all what he predicted 10 years ago that has turned out right. You will be fact-checked. I’m sure we all are eagerly awaiting your response.

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@Jessjoe1956 Off the top of my head If you wanted to save the Conservative party you should not have voted for Cameron in 2010. In 1997 Blair was actually a dangerous radical not some nice moderate. The lockdowns were a riduclous panic, and masks were not effective. That one took less time. The next one is net zero.

[@susannamarker2582]

Then you are a fool.

[@chrisgoblin4857]

Tonali

[@harveybrant3352]

One respect in which Hitchens is consistent is that he never has anything positive to add except maybe to his bank balance. It's beyond belief that he actually gets paid for spouting such irrelevant drivel.

[@jackdubz4247]

After 14 years of Tory nonsense, I can't wait for some boring sanity once again. Then maybe I can stop drinking myself to sleep every night, praying that this right wing nightmare will end.

[@SwindleUK]

I hate the tories as much as the next guy but I don't think they are right wing in practice. They've conserved nothing.

[@ericdelf]

Replace it with a left wing nightmare?

[@stleonards1066]

"right wing" lol. We're about to go from far left to very far left

[@Philcopson]

What "right-wing nightmare" would that be? You are truly idiotic.

[@moomin7461]

​@@stleonards1066Good.

[@TrueDemocracy-s4k]

Proven correct.

[@oldmanbanjo]

Peter really does a good job at selling me on Labour.

[@MontyCantsin5]

Indeed.

[@mrcockney-nutjob3832]

Google Labour 25

[@SagaciousFrank]

More fool you and woe betide all of us then.

[@Edward-cv2gw]

If you're a dogmatic leftist you will like labour

[@mellowtrinidad]

What a tool.

[@advocate1563]

Like all sons of toolmakers ....

[@adam7802]

@@advocate1563 🤣

[@rolandhawken6628]

No Starmer is the tool his dad was a tool maker don't confuse your tools CH is more of a lemon

[@zog97xy]

@@rolandhawken6628 This is peter not christopher.

[@rolandhawken6628]

@@zog97xy Oh Peter Rabbit?

[@fifab82]

Peter Hitchens is like a Christopher Hitchens patch. I don’t agree with him on pretty much anything but he’s fun to listen too

[@khar12d8]

A lot of the comments underneath are very unfair on Peter. Peter comes across as strange to a lot of people because he is a genuine social conservative that opposes economic neoliberalism. This puts him both on the left and the right at the same time based on our current political spectrum, which makes a lot of people confused. He supports nationalised railways, he thinks a lot of economic Thatcherism was a mistake but he also opposes social liberalism. He supports traditionalist type laws and values, basically he thinks it all has gone wrong since the 60s. And he would like to see a return to pre 60s social values to a degree.

[@cabcitychelmsfordtaxi1584]

Totally agree. People don’t seem to realise that problems are complex and so solved via a nuanced as opposed to extreme approaches

[@badcarlos551]

Nothing will change

[@JohnSmall314]

Actually people have realised the potential ideological shift under Labour, that's why so many people are going to vote Labour. And probably most of them think the Labour Party is not socialist enough. That it needs to stop pandering to the right and do something useful for ordinary people.

[@carelgoodheir692]

@@Standwithisrael67 That's just playing tricks with the definition of Socialist. West Germany has had a Social Democrat government so presiumably it's an ex-socialist country. Much the same can be said of every European country west of the old Iron Curtain. But, if you say, "No, I was talking about ex-Warsaw Pact states," then a somewhat socialist democratically elected government isn't equivalent, is it?

[@JohnSmall314]

@@Standwithisrael67 "Says someone who has clearly never been to a former socialist country" Sweden seems pretty good. |'ve been there a few times and it's extremely well run. Housing is cheap relative to the UK, the health services works, people get free university education, public transport is fully integrated between buses and trains, crime is so low people don't lock up their bikes. The social housing estates look like luxury accommodation compared to the UK, BMWs parked outside etc. Finland is very similar. Ultra organised, low crime, low cost of housing, free university education, working health service. If that's socialism then I'm all for it.

[@bwilliams572]

@@JohnSmall314 Have you really seen what socialism did to Sweden ? They are now governed by a right wing party. And Finland have a National Coalition government after liberal Marin got kicked out.

[@tomasrocha6139]

@@JohnSmall314 No that's not socialism, the Soviet Empire where 7 families shared an apartment was socialism

[@alexanderstefanov6474]

​@@bwilliams572Finland's right wing is still to the left of starmer

[@edmund184]

When farage stood in Thanet the support for UKIP was overwhelming especially in Ramsgate. It was very strange how he didn't get closer to winning the seat.

[@veggie42]

Iromy of Craig mckinlay

[@Waterhouse1666]

Thought Peter thought everyone including the Tories are socialist these days. Not much of an ideological shift then? 🤔

[@michaelmccomb2594]

He generally does. But he believes that tories will move less quickly to the left than the tories. The Tories are useless Blairites in his view, while Labour are ideologically fully committed to the Blairite project and will permanently change Britain

[@kityhawk2000]

Lol everyone is on the left if you are on the far right

[@michaelmccomb2594]

@@kityhawk2000 not sure it right to call him ‘far right’. He’s more a traditional religious conservative

[@Dimona_UK]

I listened at 2x speed and he was still a bloviating mess.

[@peterlinfield8707]

Hitchens the Bloviater.

[@Kafkabinkles]

After reading your comment I started watching at 2x speed and discovered comedy gold.

[@joannasimmonds3706]

​@@KafkabinklesI just tried it and I agree

[@danthsmith]

One of the small pleasures of the Starmer government will be how much it triggers people like Hitchens

[@grahamt5924]

We will start by growing the reform youth into a group that terrifies the left and Stamer is going to be a great recruitment agent for reform youth wing.

[@Edward-cv2gw]

Hitchens is a true patriot. You aren't,and neither is starmer.

[@danthsmith]

@@Edward-cv2gw I suspect I am a good deal, more patriotic than Peter Hitchens. I wouldn’t have sold everything we own in the public sector to foreign banks and foreign governments. He totally approved of that policy. Also, he approved of wrecking our economy for the benefit of a few city types by removing ourselves from the biggest market. I actually believe in sovereignty I would like it if we owned our water companies and our railways

[@grahamt5924]

Reform youth will take care of this

[@NJackDunkley]

The days of the convincing posh bloke tone are over. The Dunning Kruger effect.

[@bluedoughnut1334]

Hitchens fell off years ago, how the mighty fall.

[@stereomagic1]

He does appear to take a dump in the morning, read its runes and then appear to present it as someone who seems to believe it is still 1953, bless him. I loved his late brother, Christopher and if you can pick up the latter's book "Arguably", it is a fabulous collection of his essays - exquisite stuff.

[@Matt-cz6ti]

The wrong brother

[@turbolevo8703]

Actually you are wrong. I’ve bought and read all of Christopher’s work and was very sad when he died of cancer. But he smoked and drank very heavily. Peter has looked after his health so, the right brother died. You seem to be propounding some absurd hypothetical system in which the more harm one does to one’s body the stronger and healthier one becomes. How would that work?

[@freebornjohn2687]

@@turbolevo8703 From the perspective of who looked after their health but from who I wan to listen to I would much prefer to have Christopher about rather than this curmudgeon.

[@jeffree9015]

​@@turbolevo8703Wtf are you going on about.

[@turbolevo8703]

@@jeffree9015 I’m not here to provide remedial assistance to amoeba.

[@turbolevo8703]

@@freebornjohn2687 And you think it’s acceptable to wish Cancer on Peter Hitchens because you preferred to listen to his brother?

[@geoffroberts1131]

If we didn't have Labour coming in we'd be stuck with the Stories forever. With £4.5 trillion debt, energy, food, water, social care and the NHS in foreign private hands, and war on the table we are in big big trouble and all of happened under the Conservatives.

[@enigma7791]

VOTE REFORM

[@Badgerbeard]

Starmer: "Country before party"............ but which country did he express his unqualified support for?

[@ltrots2030]

Peter Hitchens is an absolute clown

[@Ruda-n4h]

He's a genius.

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

Clowns are funny. I see no evidence of a sense of humour from Hitchens.

[@patrikfloding7985]

@@Ruda-n4hhe believes in a fairy in the sky.

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@patrikfloding7985 It's no fairy.

[@petersmith9689]

In the manifesto Starmer has somewhat straitjacketed himself in terms of spending.

[@veggie42]

You were right because of a the things needed to improve he needed investment from private sector who don't want taxes rises on any NI

[@devonboygonenative6683]

I think we’re all aware of the ideological shift to the right that Britain has been subjected to for the last 14 years!

[@jesusistheonlygodamen3406]

Cons have been left wing Blairites throughout.

[@BjørjaBear]

Peter Hitchens wouldn't have been ready for Darwin or Newton.

[@stephensumner8041]

If you are a proffesional journalist, you report the news.This character isn't a journalist.

[@jimjam3877]

I can't imagine what type of government Peter Hitchens would have us living under. What a rude and brittle bore he is.

[@jikkh2x]

One that let you get on with your sad pathetic life in peace. What more do you expect?

[@1701enter]

Who is peter Hitchens? and why do you keep letting him on to spout this drivel?

[@jesusistheonlygodamen3406]

He's an actual social conservative, so the Times thought they'd get one on for once.

[@jefferson2310]

Mojority of the Uk was always Labour and always will be, Britix is over now they coming home. VOTE LABOUR. The party of the working class 😊.

[@xavierhucklenbruch1798]

Peter really should keep his gob shut... he is boring 😴

[@Edward-cv2gw]

It's because you can't argue with him that you want to shut him down.

[@lecturesfromleeds614]

The right wing don't see any difference between Tories and Labour so don't mind taking Tory votes, and the left just want the Tories gone, even though they also hate Starmer

[@GeoffV-k1h]

Labour's ideological dogmatism has escaped me entirely. They could hardly be more bland if they tried.

[@jesusistheonlygodamen3406]

They want you to think they're centre, or centre left, when in fact their leader is a Trotskyist.

[@krsslim]

One side of this argument aged very well very quickly.

[@davidcunningham2074]

i generally agree with hitchens but a vote for reform is not a vote for labour. labour are gonna win huge so why not vote reform and put the dying tory party out of its misery.

[@jpdicey789]

And potentially get an even further right Tory party in Reform 😂

[@dandantshm8894]

He reminds me of some of the teachers at school on a Friday afternoon where they'd had a few down the pub at lunchtime.

[@anonUK]

"Here I am, with a brain the size of a planet..."

[@slyfondle1885]

You've confused 'brain' with 'ego'.

[@patrikfloding7985]

@@slyfondle1885it’s a reference to “Hitchhiker’s …”, and Hitchens sounds just like the robot.

[@willtricks9432]

@@patrikfloding7985 Some folks don't get it.

[@petemarchetto4998]

How ridiculously far right does anyone have to be to fear an 'ideological shift' from Starmer? Don't panic, people. He's a neoliberal dedicated to laying down still more track for the gravy train at everyone else's expense. This pathetic cry of 'Oh my GOD! STALIN'S COMING!!!' every time the Tories are about to lose gets a bit dull. You were safe in Blair's hands, my darlings. You'll be even safer with Starmer. Stop whining.

[@Andygb78]

Someone who says "far far varster" doesn't like a Labour government. What a shocker.

[@watermelonman3000]

One person is speaking from prepared notes, the other is speaking from experience.

[@pedazodetorpedo]

I thought Peter wanted to destroy the Conservative Party. Yet he seems to be implying that everyone needs to vote Tory to prevent a Starmer premiership. Baffling.

[@mrsmvcheek]

I think he is trying to say that Kier Starmer has some strongTrotsky ideas which are totalitarian.With Labour in power our freedoms will be limited.and democracy in name only.We will be ruled by unelected experts which the Labour government will hide behind.

[@jesusistheonlygodamen3406]

He sees that their Trotskyism is in fact much more dangerous than the incompetent and deceitful Conservative party.

[@advocate1563]

So glad we left last year. We are enjoying watching from elsewhere.

[@marcussullens2573]

Irrespective of whether you agree or disagree with either of them - putting Peter Hitchens head to head against Matthew Stadlen in a political battle is a bit like putting 2pac head to head against Vanilla Ice in a rap battle

[@cyberash3000]

why did two pac suddenly start saying one thing then deny he said it a second later? lol

[@michaelhoskins6579]

Peter Hitchens is no 2pac, he's not even MC Hammer.

[@chetrodin9656]

I always enjoy hearing Peter's clear and logical opinions. It seems his opponent's retorts are always "that's ridiculous" or "you're out of touch" which, of course, are not arguments.

[@Nebuchadnezzar-Wildebeest]

Act one, day one for PM Starmer, a 1000% tax rise for bellends like Hitchens and his ilk. I'd certainly vote for *that*. Sadly, the bloke's too fair to seek such petty revenge on clueless knobs. After all, he's not a Tory, is he?

[@bobjames6622]

Says the man who took the Britney Spears...so he could go travelling! Nothing but a snivelling worm

[@veggie42]

😂

[@paulking2039]

7million are waiting to see a doctor, when will we be ready, after 20million ?

[@Steven-hq3go]

Prioritise people born here and verify foreigners and non citizens pay their dues

[@dvidclapperton]

The country does not back another right wing government. It never did in the first place. It's only because the left wing and centre vote was split several ways while the right wing vote has never been split at allwirh only the one right wing party they could vote for contesting general elections combined with the archaic FPTP electoral system seen Thstcher, Cameron, Johnson and co be in government even though the tories never once achieved 50% of the vote.

[@benwarnock]

The editor messed up.. the glove puppet remark repeated twice

[@bakedbean37]

They do it every time. It's not in error. People frequently object. They're a professional media organisation. We must be the wrong headed ones.

[@FiveLiver]

Labour must never be allowed to harm our country again.

[@zorglub667]

"watch out, this guy *believes in things*" Yeah, what a crazy concept.

[@kityhawk2000]

Yeah much better to have someone who believes in nothing (see Boris and Rishi)

[@SagaciousFrank]

It's the things he believes in that are dangerous. Most people are about a decade behind Hitchens. In roughly ten years people will be agreeing with what he warns about now but won't remember him saying it.

[@zorglub667]

@@SagaciousFrank... speculated everybody about everybody else's differing opinion ever. (factored in : friendly assumption that the supposed differing opinion in question isn't a strawman caricature to begin with)

[@Ti-up3dv]

As someone else already pointed out, it’s the things themselves that matter! If indeed Starmer does have a more radical set of constitutional changes in mind it may turn out to be quite a prescient warning.

[@davidatkinson-Music-and-More]

It's undeniable that the Tories in government have been abject, but it's also a certainty that Labour under Starmer will rinse the middle class and its lifetime-acquired assets/wealth to fund Labour's ambitions. It's a fact that the middle classes, in general, lean towards conservative policies and Labour will consider them collateral damage. The truly wealthy and mobile will leave the country in significant numbers, whilst those that remain will apply their wealth creation efforts in accordance with the potential rewards that come from that effort. Get ready for another round of early resignations and retirements.