Peter Hitchens: It’s no longer possible to stop a second Scottish independence referendum |01-Feb-21

Peter Hitchens has said a second Scottish independence referendum is now inevitable and will break up the UK.
Speaking with talkRADIO’s Mike Graham, the columnist said: “I don’t think that it’s now possible for us to prevent a second referendum and I would be very surprised if that second referendum doesn’t vote to leave.”
“If you really want in the long term future to keep relations between England and Scotland good, then let them go if they want to,” he added.
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[@enrobsorussell]

Keep voting until you come up with the right result....where have I heard that before!

[@didierlemoine6771]

Scotland voted to stay in, and hv the right to be free if they wish and decide its own future :)

[@CyberSlammer2024]

@@didierlemoine6771 so did London

[@corydorastube]

@@CyberSlammer2024 I*t may have escaped your notice Wide Awake, but London is not a nation. Scotland is.

[@CyberSlammer2024]

@@corydorastube Nothing like being Patronised by someone missing the point. The referendum (Which I didn't agree we should have had in the first place) can be broken down into smaller and smaller results until you go into towns then streets and which street voted remain and which street voted to leave, but ultimately it was set up as a "UK" referendum but loads of different areas (and at least 16.1 million people) were taken out of the EU against their wishes including Scotland N.I., and London.

[@corydorastube]

@@CyberSlammer2024 I don't remember ANY of those places being told that if they voted to remain in the UK they would also be able to stay in the EU. Scotland was shafted

[@12alocin]

IF, Scotland leaves the union with THEIR referendum, then at a later stage wants back in, then there would have to be another referendum which would have to include England.

[@bennelong8451]

Scotland will need to build a wall to keep out the English refugees

[@ronaldomadrebien7045]

......... never going to be an issue Mick !

[@charlesdailly7835]

How many countries are queuing up to rejoin the UK? Zero that's how many. Scotland wont be any different. Looking at the bile being spouted on here against Scotland and it's elected government why would it stay in the UK. Furthermore England keeps voting,Tory which the rest of us get lumbered with, infinitely the best reason to leave the union.

[@ReadyPlayerDog]

@@charlesdailly7835 I'll be expecting my check in the post repaying all my taxes that make their way to Scotland. You act like we hold you against your will, that we somehow oppress you, while at the same time you quite happily take the money that the rest of the UK gives you. You have more per head spent on you than any other country in the UK and still have the ungraciousness to complain about. Yet despite all this money your education system is a mess, your public services are a joke, and you still ask for more money while you complain. Nobody's asking you to say thank you, most of the UK doesn't care because you're part of the UK as well. But don't give us the finger with one hand while you hold out the other taking our money.

[@mrsmucker79]

We will not want to come back

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Let the scottish vote for their fate - its deeply undemocratic trying to deny it to them, it will not stand!

[@connorthekid1]

They had a vote, they voted to remain.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

@@connorthekid1 That was a political generation ago and they voted to remain in the EU as a part of the UK, that was what Cameron promised them. And it was right - what Cameron didn't see coming was the Brexit vote after - and that the UK would take Scotland hostage and crash out of the EU.

[@colinanderson7384]

We had a referendum on September, 18th 2014 and voted to remain as part of the UK. I voted to stay in the UK and would again tomorrow if there was a legal referendum.

[@AndreVictorGoncalves]

@@colinanderson7384 You completely avoided the brexit part. And the fact that Scotland is an England puppy. England give the cards. Scotland gives more in taxes than they receive back. Scotland is better of leaving the UK.

[@krzysjurek]

How many times does Hitchens need to subtly correct this ill informed interviewer

[@neilwheel]

I've got a feeling there's quite a few "scandals" about to hit the fan in the next few months...

[@yetagain5671]

One must hope Salmond has the evidence to bury Wee Jimmy.

[@benjamindaniel7565]

@@yetagain5671 Yes I was wondering he had been silenced.

[@benjamindaniel7565]

Can't wait!

[@adamskyj69]

Indeed, make sure you have a stock of popcorn :-)

[@victorshackapopulus6078]

Let's fucking hope so.

[@nicksmith3245]

WE ARE GOING NOWHERE! No way will Scotland leave the union with so many unionists up here Most still do not want independence!

[@JM-co3lx]

Well said

[@basshell666]

Dunno if thats true .. im from scotland too and the unionists dont have that much respect up here ... most folk see them as flag flying paedophiles ..

[@nicksmith3245]

@@basshell666 sounds like a Nat talking. ..rubbish

[@normanbates569]

@@basshell666 Why paedophiles?

[@FederalBoabyInspector]

I'm a gay, Catholic rangers fan and I want independence! :p

[@MrLoftusjj3]

I WONDER HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN? (From SKY News) The number of people suffering from the flu in England has plunged by more than 95% to levels not seen for 130 years. Out of 3.9 million patients at 385 GP practices across England last week, only 35 had the flu. (Cancer has ended too along with heart, lung and liver diseases and also TB and old age, etc).

[@matthewwhiteside9991]

Well if you believe the idiots the lockdowns have arrested the flu but not the Covid which is what they are for!!! Lol

[@BB49.]

Well we knew, but just to confirm at least we know where most of the Covid cases are coming from!

[@carlranger8060]

Miraculous isn't it?

[@ricardogomez1910]

That’s amazing news! We have finally cracked it! No longer shall we live in fear of the Big C. Let’s celebrate....

[@ericgwalsh]

It's almost as if it's flu and covid are one in the same... But that suggestion would be anti-science apparently.. So better to believe what they tell us.

[@myway9804]

SMALL Apology FOR LARGE EDITING OF PETER LAST TIME .

[@chestermosburger3113]

so small, i missed it

[@JohnDoe-vz7bn]

?

[@ssmith3517]

What were they talking about? I missed it!!

[@barrychuckle5565]

?

[@columbasaint465]

@@ssmith3517 They edited out a large part of Peter's last interview.

[@rodwright4699]

Will talk radio be erasing parts of this interview like you did last week YOU ARE NOW UNTRUSTWORTHY TALK RADIO JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA

[@nigelnicholas8768]

Talk radio has always been Establishment! It wouldn’t surprise me if the nasal fat Mike Graham and his Narcissistic journalistic talk radio friends are all on massive bonuses to spread the evil Government propaganda… Disgusting human beings all of them!!

[@rodwright4699]

@@nigelnicholas8768 Agreed Sir And they are in full alignment with the government on VACCINES and there narrative

[@PW-zs2yx]

@@nigelnicholas8768 There's levels, there not a BBC now are they ? it's still better than listening to LBC.

[@GEOFF0906]

The 'offending' piece was only edited out of the KZbin version of the interview; it remained intact on the Talk Radio site I believe

[@jazzman1626]

If you don’t know by now that any censoring of videos is done by YT, then you’ve not been paying attention.

[@obadiahspong2300]

Just stick to the 'Once in a Generation' agreement. The EU will fold first.

[@bhupindergoindi8754]

Yeah, the right has been saying that since the 90s! hows that going?

[@obadiahspong2300]

@@bhupindergoindi8754 Getting closer all time mate. Rome wasn't destroyed in a day.

[@vladinekjanuska2495]

@@obadiahspong2300 Fishfull thinking.

[@filibosan]

Point to the legal agreement where the "once in a generation" line was written and agreed.

[@lucius1976]

​@@obadiahspong2300 Cholchester was destroyed in a day - by Brits

[@alastairhosey4950]

Scotland is not 'leaving the UK'. No. It's ENDING the 'UK'. Get yourselves properly informed, for goodness sake.

[@robtroup6360]

The UK is not going to end, it just continues without Scotland... but with close ties to Scotland as they have with Ireland.

[@JuanAristi]

The United Kingdom of England?

[@DorotheaAntonio]

@@JuanAristi The Kingdom of England.

[@JuanAristi]

@@DorotheaAntonio London should split instead of carrying the rest of the country...

[@numbersix100]

The SNP current leadership won’t last. If there’s another referendum the result will be the same as 2014

[@murray5629]

Scot here: my view is the SNP are using the perceived general dislike for the Tories and Brexit to “stir up hatred” (hope you get that reference) against England to push through independence. So essentially it’s all based on spur of the moment emotions. Given a deeper, longer thought - most of the fundamental issues haven’t been addressed! e.g. currency? how would we fund our greater per capita spending? certainly not from the oil as they made out in 2014...

[@murray5629]

Scotland would’ve been bankrupt by now if we’d left in 2014! Sound familiar?🤔

[@Steve_Coates]

@@murray5629 If people voted rationally we wouldn't have had Brexit, that had absolutely no plan then and no evidence of one now.

[@roisinmalone3015]

Wishful thinking

[@roisinmalone3015]

@@murray5629 The independence movement in Scotland is way bigger than the SNP. The SNP are a means to an end and once Scotland is independent will split into different parties anyway.

[@jasonbrynn5633]

I think Scotland/wales would be better off independent from the UK and England would be better off without Scotland/Wales. smaller countries are more efficient

[@robtroup6360]

No reason why each Country shouldn't be independent and work closely with each other...it is the normal way of doing things in a modern world..

[@whatplanetareweon2375]

@@robtroup6360 What happens when those independent nations start competing with each other for resources? Civil war?

[@rogerdavies8586]

I've heard that democracy works better in small countries such as Andorra. Marianne

[@Gruxxan]

the barnett formula and devolution has ruined the union. one nation, one parliament.

[@bennelong8451]

English usually ruin everything. They made the world a million times worse

[@Stuadh]

The Barnett Formula existed long before devolution. It was brought in for Scotland in 1978, 79 for Wales and 80 for NI. It is a non-statutory instrument, not requiring Parliament to be involved. It is, in fact, nothing more than Treasury policy.

[@roisinmalone3015]

I thought it was four nations. Although I struggle to see how Northern Ireland could be considered a nation. Given plantations, partition border etc on the island of Ireland.

[@22grena]

To make money a reason for Scotland to stay in the UK is to miss the point completely.

[@edmundoftheangles7977]

The Scottish had a referendum a few years back, try another one a generation later in around 40 years.

[@artistsanomalous7369]

Surely what matters isn't how much time has passed, but how much change has occurred. Although the referendum was only a few years ago, we've had a generation's worth of change since then.

[@martynanstis1620]

@@artistsanomalous7369 that wasn’t the deal, it was settled for a generation. Nice try but no cigar.

[@markrowley2739]

@@artistsanomalous7369 You mean like how a trading bloc become a superstate with a commission, President, parliament, currency, flag, anthem, open borders...but we still had to wait forty years for our referendum. You can wait four decades too

[@daliyunnan]

@@markrowley2739 Brexit...freedom for all. Except some.

[@flemwad]

@@artistsanomalous7369 lmfao...yeah rightyo

[@Leeds71]

The issue is England has had the pride knocked out of it because you keep getting told you are an ist or a phobe if you show pride in your country. incidentally I'm Scottish and its obvious.

[@bennelong8451]

Imagine a country being knocked out by words L-O-L

[@syd4444]

My question to this is " Why is England so frightened to become an Independent country ?"

[@fleur3986]

We are not!

[@markusass]

Nothing to do with England. It has everything to do with the bureaucracies and elites behind the Westminster government.

[@CHuzz7777]

We’re not but we’ve just never and will never be given a say. Remember, we don’t even have our own Parliament or national anthem.

[@mcihs2]

syd4444 It isn’t, it’s like Ringo wanting to leave the Beatles.....

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Perhaps the English appreciate our neighbours on these isles and do not want to have to form a hard border between us.

[@rogerdavies8586]

I almost never agree with Peter Hitchens, and I was surprised by his graciousness. Not only should England not coerce Scotland as Spain does Catalonia. Furthermore the anti-Scottish sentiment often expressed on social media are only driving people away. All there is to do is wish the natives the best of luck. Marianne using Roger's computer

[@lennydale92]

What anti-scottish sentiment? Any person who is truly anti-Scottish will be hoping they have their referendum.

[@rogerdavies8586]

@@lennydale92 We did see, during the first referendum debate, people on the 'Better Together' side who nevertheless hated the Scots. Some of them worked for the Daily Mail. Other anti Scottish bigots like Kelvin McKenzie - he shouldn't look too deeply into his ancestry - actually say they do want Scotland to leave. In his case he wants Wales to go as well so there will be no danger of the UK - or England - getting a Labour government. My breath was taken away by a letter in the 'Metro' before Brexit: 'Let's make Nigel Farage PM and see how the EU like that'. He then said that after divorcing Europe, 'England should have a referendum on 'dumping Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales out of the Union. We can't vote in their parliaments. Why should they vote in ours?' He was aggrieved both at having a vote in Brussels and not having one in Holyrood, Stormont and the Senedd. There's no pleasing some people. Marianne

[@lennydale92]

@@rogerdavies8586 To be fair I don't believe you. What makes people like McKenzie "anti-scottish"?

[@lennydale92]

@@rogerdavies8586 That is the truth though. The English doesn't have their own parliament. That means that the Scottish can vote on their own issues and on the English too. Only an idiot can't see the problem in that.

[@rogerdavies8586]

Perhaps I should say something on the West Lothian question. Tony Blair gave referenda on devolution to the 'outer Celtic nations' in 1997. He hoped that this concession would prevent demands for actual independence. He never thought that devolution to the rest of the UK would spark off English nationalism on the grounds that it was unfair that the other three countries had MPs who could vote in Westminster but English MPs couldn't vote in the devolved administrations. Although this is true, it is historical accident. When England fully absorbed the other countries into the UK, it had to give them representation in Westminster and it didn't occur to Blair to rescind this. It may be unfair but it is not as unfair as Westminster overruling all the other administrations when they voted against Brexit. It's not as unfair as the situation in the former Stormont Parliament which did not have one man one vote. It was a Protestant parliament for a Protestant people, and Catholics were mostly disenfranchised. It's not as unfair as Westminster allowing Liverpool to flood a Welsh valley to make a reservoir in the 60s, expelling all the inhabitants. No Welsh MP voted in favour but Wales had only 60 seats in Westminster, making democratic representation a sham. Westminster has the power to close down the devolved parliaments and assemblies at any time. This makes the West Lothian question seem almost trivial. Yet it is a gripe with some merit. What's the solution? There are only two solutions - a federal system where all parliaments are equal and have veto powers or dissolution of the UK. I'd support either but I do think it's funny that Ukip supporters are prepared to destroy the UK itself just after making it independent of Europe.We hear that Brexit is the last hurrah of those who think we still have an empire, those who sing 'Wider still and wider may thy bounds be set'. I don't mind, but it's a bit ironic that imperialists have morphed into Little Englanders - very little Englanders indeed - narrower still and narrower. Marianne Hancock borrowing Roger Davies' computer It's

[@SePhO11]

The SNP are going to destroy themselves over the Alex Salmond saga, all we need to do is watch, Sturgeon has made another move against one of his allies by sacking Joanna Cherry from her role on the SNP shadow cabinet in Westminster.

[@edwardmcmanus]

I pray for the day the SNP falls apart!!

[@indogoUI]

The people deserve a vote

[@ggpp4898]

@@edwardmcmanus Thats a pity as over 60% of the Scottish electorate voted them into power....are they all wrong?

[@reddrascal0124]

@@ggpp4898 yes

[@fmjwest8296]

The Scottish deserve a vote on their freedom. Why should unelected Tories rule over a country they were not elected by? Surely the most reasonable and adult view is to allow an independence referendum.

[@royalirishranger1931]

Peter is spot on , it is now unstoppable , Tam Dezell said it it best , he called it a motorway with only one destination . I also agree with Peter that we now must start thinking in terms of a new form of unity in these island between England ,Scotland Wales and Norhern Ireland /Ireland , perhaps something along the lines of Scandinavian countries , I do remember a very interesting discussion once on the council of the isle's idea being very promising. The EU is now destined to fail ,be it sooner or later , so we must start preparing for that eventuality .

[@markmorrid8144]

English parliament for the english people without interference from the rest of the UK it's only fair.

[@bighands69]

Most people in the UK do not want that.

[@davidthom7127]

When the majority of English people vote one way and the rest another, England has it's way against the wishes of the rest of us. So the status quo would be exactly the same same if England was independent. OBV

[@lucasduncan1082]

What would be the point though?

[@davidthom7127]

@@lucasduncan1082 there would be no point in English independence. That was MY point. I was replying to someone who called for English independence.

[@fishyface3940]

@@davidthom7127 The majority of the English do not vote one way against anyone. We have a broken first past the post system.

[@lesigh1749]

i want the rest of the UK to have a referendum on whether we will throw Scotland out of the union. Sick of the toxic anti English whinging from Holyrood. Sick of paying their Dole and childcare bills while they whinge about us.

[@davidscott8080]

Please please please petition for this and see how much support you get from Westminster and the politicians who know the true financial figures. Oh and by the way you are welcome to station your trident submarines on the Thames.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Please do this, send a petition into your local MP. This could be really beneficial.

[@roisinmalone3015]

It would've been much simpler if England had just voted to leave the UK Union instead of the EU in 2016

[@lesigh1749]

@@roisinmalone3015 Another remoaner who forgets, or pretends to forget, that Wales also voted to leave the union. And that over a million Scots also voted for Brexit too. The UK by a majority voted out, and out you went. If you don't like that, France welcomes you to move there. We will swap you for some of those doctors and engineers in the dinghies.

[@roisinmalone3015]

@@lesigh1749 Scotland voted remain Northern Ireland voted remain Looks like the English vote in Wales might've pushed Wales to leave And I'm not from the UK so you can't do your remoaner stuff on me

[@Chad-ski]

The problem with the UK is it is a nation centred in London and the further away from London you are you are forgotten

[@pindrop.]

Wait a minute... don't Scottish people get more government money spent per head than any other country in the UK? Doesn't every country in the UK except England have a regional assembly?

[@johnbramly]

Aberdeen!, it's your oil. Separate from Scotland!

[@madsaqua2350]

Unfortunately not it is not.

[@numega7323]

Lol, why would we separate from Scotland? That is like saying London should go independent from England.

[@stevethebarbarian99]

I'd rather the Union remain, but not at the expense of having to endure The SNP for perpetuity. I also think that any future vote, should not just be a vote for Scots to decide if they wish to divorce us - the rest of The UK, should be able to also say if it wants to divorce them. It's a strange marriage, that only one side gets a say in splitting. Let them have the vote, and if they want to leave(which I still doubt will happen), let them go. Financially, they'd have a disaster on their hands - but if that's what the majority want, then so be it.

[@goodall1bay]

The problem is they allow children to vote for the rest of us. Also if they want to leave, I want a wall . England would be flooded with 100s thousand s of migrants from the north.

[@nicholasalexander4743]

@@goodall1bay England already IS flooded with migrants from the North.

[@philburtoft535]

Let them have their freedom, implicit in that is the right to starve. What currency will be used, will there be a new Hadrians walk. It all seems too ridiculous, but in a world filled with the ridiculous and dangerous it fits right it

[@iMertin90]

Makes no sense. London out vote Scotland alone. Wake up man

[@josephturner4047]

Fool.

[@GWLAD]

Oust Sturgeon she is evil personified

[@ye3139]

Explain why?

[@GWLAD]

@@ye3139 I don’t have to jog on laddie

[@ye3139]

@@GWLAD just curious why you think that but can’t give any reason why

[@GWLAD]

@@ye3139 I don’t have to that’s my opinion get over it

[@tomben6180]

@@ye3139 She’s given zero plan for a catastrophic thing that she’d do tomorrow. She’s not mentioned currency, a border (which would be inevitable), armed forces, how they’d find their health service, policing. Scotland deserves better than her.

[@alandoyle73]

I'm English and I want out of the Union.

[@nicholasalexander4743]

Nobody English would "want out"of anything.

[@roisinmalone3015]

Go for it

[@macflod]

Vote for the English independence party

[@numega7323]

Move north.

[@lucasduncan1082]

Start a movement then! 👍

[@BRADDERS_YT67]

I’m proud to be English.

[@bennelong8451]

Cus there’s nothing else to be proud of

[@lucasholy7821]

@@bennelong8451 so true....

[@SuchaDoofus]

Racist!! ;-)

[@BRADDERS_YT67]

@@bennelong8451 what ever.

[@mariogp88]

Catalunya doesn't have anything to do with Scotland. Scotland is a nation that decided to join England to became the United Kingdom. Catalunya has been always a part of Spain and it was a part of the Kingdom of Aragon. It is a different case

[@paulhank7967]

Same in principle. Spain is trying to keep its regions together.

[@lucasduncan1082]

@@paulhank7967 Nope - one is a country in union with another. The other is a region of a country. Totally different scenarios.

[@michealcurrie8272]

England could not survive alone, they hang on to Scotland like a cheap suit. The hitch bro is correct, to a point.

[@louisadawson3242]

Many are signing a petition against Mrs Sturgeon’s attempts to break the Union, but we in Scotland do have a voice, folk may think she has done well with the Corona challenge, but if Mr Johnson does his job of PR and comes and visits us more, the folk do see thru’ her agenda, Scots are canny. She has problems in her own part, problems with the previous leader, apart from the EU saying she would be refused. So no to the question of referendum. It was a once in a generation vote if you remember. From Scottish Borders.

[@dopesensi]

A ONCE IN A GENERATION VOTE .. We were lied to .

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Joe you silly boy. It *IS* a once in a generation vote. It's just that none of the votes count until the one that goes their way.

[@t.r.7811]

Are you referring to the 2019 Westminster election?

[@dopesensi]

@@t.r.7811 No- the Scottish independence referendum, that was billed as a "once in a lifetime" vote.... Until they lost that was, then it quickly became "but we wanted to stay in the EU and not really be independent" . The EU membership was not mentioned at the time and was irrelevant then as it is now, when talking about leaving the UK.

[@t.r.7811]

@@dopesensi The Scottish independence referendum was not billed as a once in a lifetime vote.

[@dopesensi]

@@t.r.7811 i was there.... and I (stupidly) voted for it.

[@kjmcindoe3014]

Peter nails it, again.

[@degaulle30]

Bring on Scottish independence. I hate the Union. Irish reunification too. I'll gladly assist with either.

[@paulhank7967]

Why?

[@johnbutler3141]

Thats fine as long as you are going to pay the pensioners. Which I doubt.

[@Aquaman-zm1ot]

As long as you pay your debts before you leave and give the English taxpayers a break.

[@numega7323]

@@Aquaman-zm1ot If you think about it, England owes more to Scotland, because of the oil and natural resources.

[@tuckasamms]

Peter Hitchens is always worth a listen - a very clever bloke.

[@paulfilmer6832]

Not a patch on his brother Chris though, always thought Peter was dim and dull.

[@malicant123]

The SNP would leave the UK and give Scotland to the EU. Better the devil you know.

[@noelwilde]

You edited his truth. You're the same as the rest.

[@andybarnes2031]

"not quite sure what happened" a likely story...

[@search4orlife]

Murdoch controlled opposition.

[@jonathanprice4502]

@Paul B Peter Hitchens was censored last week as well, not sure if its talk radio or KZbin doing the censoring. Seems like a crappy thing to do if it is Talk radio especially after they had their KZbin channel taken down.

[@Messy6610]

Cofee cup the painful truth, same goes for film, music and art unfortunately, these industries tend to have a large proportion of left or left leaning individuals, who also seem to have the monopoly when it comes to who gets to join the club.

[@sdrawkcabUK]

@@Messy6610 All the more reason some sort of oversight is needed... I foresee a case in the states at some point about this vs first amendment which will hopefully knock YT, Fb et al down a peg

[@lostinsweden5039]

I've never thought of Peter Hitchens as either naive or disingenuous, but 'let them go and wish them well'??? Do you not know the Scots? I do. I'm one of them. When the disaster of independence really hits Scotland, don't you think the English will be blamed for it. Don't you think the border between the two countries will be a nightmare? Genuinely, a stupid thing to say.

[@LeMerch]

I say this as an Irishman who loves the Brits and always visits... leave. Leave the UK Scotland. We live in a different world. If England wants a new UK, lets look at a new relationship between us all but the UK as we know it is outdated and over.

[@fmjwest8296]

As an Irish woman I couldn’t agree more. I live in Wales, the independence movement is growing here too. The Tories should not have authority over the devolved countries, outdated 18th century nonsense.

[@slipperyslope8521]

Here in Scotland people don’t even really care. If the media stopped talking about it the independence question would go away.

[@christianmccann7884]

Slippery Slope more like you wish the question would go away ..

[@slipperyslope8521]

@@christianmccann7884 I actually voted yes last time but times up for the SNP and Sturgeon

[@Leeds71]

@@slipperyslope8521 Same here, I hate the current sjw politics

[@heatherpeterson1114]

I do care, very much, and I want to remain part of UK.

[@slipperyslope8521]

@@heatherpeterson1114 I wouldn’t stress too much if I were you, it’s all media talk. There will be no referendum.

[@ggpp4898]

A lot of sense across the board from Peter Hitchens....with one caveat, when Scotland regains its Independence it will be be aeons before they will rejoin the Union if at all.

[@jamesbryant8133]

Scotland has a £15 billion black hole in its finances. Genuinely how can Scotland pay for everything the Scottish are used to. I personally don't mind, it would be nice that our money is spent on us rather then someone that hates me for being born on the wrong side of a border.

[@ggpp4898]

@@jamesbryant8133 We got to get over this notion that there is a national anti-English campaign within the Scottish people. Scotland has issue with the ruling Govt at Westminster who do NOT represent Scotland or the Scots adequately. Its NOT 'the English' we have a beef with its your Govt!

[@markspark1864]

I'm English and I want a referendum on England leaving the U.K.

[@sljones9103]

Go for it

[@AllodialTitle]

We will never be asked.

[@lucasduncan1082]

Start a movement of your own then! Nobody is stopping you! 👍

[@markspark1864]

@@lucasduncan1082 there already is, it's called the English democrats

[@DorotheaAntonio]

Me too!

[@popculture70]

As an Englishman I'm hoping that Scotland leaves the UK and rejoins the EU. It is absolutely essential that there is an English speaking nation in the EU for the preservation of our language and culture as England has chosen a path of irrelevance.

[@d.jparer5184]

Peter's worst quality is his pessimism

[@jungbolosse3034]

He is more a realist to me. I see He has a SUEZ book In the background.

[@MARTINA-gc3tq]

I submit that the Act of Union means that any referendum regarding the end of the union must be a referendum of all the adults of both countries. I as english will happily vote for independence .

[@Steve_Coates]

Submit all you like the Constitutional lawyers don't agree with you.

[@MARTINA-gc3tq]

@@Steve_Coates I would agree with you but then we would both be wrong.

[@DS9TREK]

I don't think the supreme court would concur

[@MARTINA-gc3tq]

@@DS9TREK A referendum would require an Act of Parliament and has nothing to do with the SC.

[@lucasduncan1082]

Start your own movement down there. Feel free! 👍

[@jonzeebollok2266]

England won’t give up North Sea oil and its nuclear capability in Scotland. This will be messy

[@Kiltking]

That the best comment I’ve heard from an English man in long time.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🤝🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿⚖️

[@KeithWilliamMacHendry]

Too many comments below miss the reasons why Scotland will leave the British State. Keep up the rhetoric, I don't care, & more & more Scots don't care. To all Scots, work as if you live in the early days of a better nation. The road will be difficult, but it is surely worth it.

[@martinprescott6314]

Let scotland go but independence means going it alone . As for coming back no chance.

[@ye3139]

what’s there to come back to 😂

[@thecovidprisoner]

Yeah, if they stupid enough to go it alone zero money from us. Civil disobedience arguments, stife in famlies. EU dont want em as liability like Greece as too small, want have they got too offer ? Need hand outs all the time, earn money from our military bases I bet. Would be very stupid to leave at all, now surely worse.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

They will just join the EU. And yeah I know they won't qualify - but what a prime opportunity for the EU to waive those rules and accept our neighbour in order to get back at us. Remember, their primary concern is making an example of the UK. That's my prediction, see if I'm wrong.

[@brianlopez8855]

We could RENT them use of our currency at a suitable price, along with the use of our English language.

[@tomben6180]

@@ye3139 Erm, the 6th biggest economy on the planet. Less debt and deficit per head than Scotland, a nuclear weapon, social welfare, an actual currency... need I go on?

[@dmd1598]

Humza Yousaf drinks black coffee. Because Milk is white

[@malicant123]

I didn't know who he was until I was greatly surprised to learn that he's a Scottish MP!

[@braveheart4603]

@Mo Hamed neither's black coffee, it is also some shade of brown.

[@kelsohunt460]

Yousaf is a knob

[@Sabhail_ar_Alba]

@@malicant123 He not Scottish and he's not an MP.

[@SMX815]

If he has his own way we would not like a satire comedy!

[@hgostos]

The comparison with Catalonia was rather unfortunate. Spain cannot be so without Catalonia. Unlike Scotland which was an independent nation for centuries ,Catalonia has never been anything but part of Spain since Spain was birthed. I was rather surprised and disappointed at Peter for such a poor analogy.

[@JuanAristi]

The comparison is made on purpose to undermine Scottish expectations of being able to join the EU and thus vote against independence

[@jimbocho660]

@@JuanAristi England and Scotland speak the same language. Catalonia and Spain do not.

[@JuanAristi]

@@jimbocho660 Scotland are you saying Scotland doesnt speak Celtic? and are you saying Catalonia doesnt speak Spanish? Scotland exists without England and has it's own laws, Spain exists because of Catalonia and does not have its own laws. Yours is a poor comparison.

[@Alex-pv4ft]

Let them go!

[@markj5054]

Why are you back on there Peter when talk radio have been censoring you ?

[@matthewwhiteside9991]

At least they mentioned it!

[@Venelix21]

@@Bee-rr6vo they censored about 60 seconds of last weeks slot where Peter was critical of the government.

[@Sandylaner63]

@@H-ME2003 enter Politico and watch the vid on talk radio censors Peter Hitchens ,,,he analyses it fully

[@KM_Mountain]

They've got the root of the timeline wrong. Thatcher was the real catalyst. My grandfather was a lifelong tory and often said she was hammering nails in the coffin of the union. Blair had no choice but to offer a ref on devolution, which the people wanted and majority voted yes for.

[@johnnyhartley4330]

Yes, let's have another referendum, so those who didn't get their way last time, and don't accept the democratic need to accept election outcomes if they go against one, can have another try. And if they win this time, then they can hold another referendum, so that the people who lost the second referendum can have another chance. And this can go on forever!

[@bennelong8451]

Best of three

[@pastlane2011]

No opposition in England, the Tories have silenced them.

[@stonemarten1400]

It's largely because the opposition is useless.

[@DJRockford83]

Labour have silenced themselves with their own irrelevance

[@bighands69]

@Ava Connelly What on earth are you talking about?

[@pastlane2011]

@@bighands69 OK, seems the Tories have used the pandemic for the emergency powers that mirror Trump. I see the same agenda, makes you wonder if Russia has a hand in all this. Brexit, Trump's buddies, Farage and his "wannabe" Boris, Trump selling his Trump tower apartments to Shell companies, i.e. Russian Oligarchs, Boris trying to stop EU interference in his plans of financial irregulation, just a thought.

[@pastlane2011]

@@bighands69 Not to mention the last idea, regulating the free press, putting it under the control of a huge Tory donor, who doesn't respect the OFCOM principles, the stuff of nightmares.

[@mattdiffey2501]

I have no issue with Scotland becoming an independent nation, as someone who voted for Brexit democracy must be upheld but my only concern is that the people of Scotland are being told by the SNP that independence is the only future for Scotland, which to me is a fine but the people don’t understand at what cost!

[@mattdiffey2501]

@D AR I didn’t believe either side to be honest.. “£350m to the NHS” - not likely Boris. “bare shelves and a starving Uk” - not likely Jean Claude. My Brexit decision was based on the next impending financial crash which by the looks of it is the Covid stimulus relief package the EU is dishing out to the member states and then comes the crash.

[@roisinmalone3015]

@@mattdiffey2501 So your Brexit vote was based on imminent EU collapse But Brexiters have been predicting the EU's demise for decades now.

[@roisinmalone3015]

What cost? Nothing like the cost of staying in the UK Union

[@mattdiffey2501]

@@roisinmalone3015 I don’t listen to the doomsday stories pumped out by the Brexit propaganda machine, the EU won’t collapse but the next large financial crash will put a massive strain on the EU central bank as countries like Greece, Poland, Italy, Portugal will implode. Take a screen shot of this massage and if I’m wrong in the future please come back and gloat.

[@mattdiffey2501]

@@roisinmalone3015 It wasn’t a question, it’s a figure of speech, because we won’t know at what cost as we will have to look back in history but by that point it’s to late.

[@christinemccluskey3246]

If Scotland want to join the EU and leave the UK.. I say let them go and wish them luck.. but I don't think they would be welcome back!

[@alanmacaskill6121]

Thank you. But I’m not sure we’d want to come back, to be honest. No country has ever wanted to come back to the UK, ask Ireland, Malta or Singapore. All doing fine,

[@russellwhite1581]

I can't see why Scotland cannot have the same status as the Isle Of Man and the Channel Islands. They are part of the UK but totally in command of their own affairs.

[@cathrenstewart9377]

Because Scotland is a nation, Isle of Man and Channel Islands are not. Scotland has had to accept Boris Johnson as a prime minister it overwhelmingly did not vote for, and Brexit - a profound political act it also overwhelmingly did not vote for. Every time an English person likens our country to an English county is a reminder of our need to more firmly reestablish our nationhood.

[@cathrenstewart9377]

@dennis wise shouldn't even distinguish this moronic statement with a response. Well over 50% of Scots voted SNP, and less than 38% voted for Brexit. Go away.

[@cathrenstewart9377]

@dennis wise What legislation?

[@rogerdavies8586]

I'm such a pedant. They're not technically part of the UK but crown dependencies. But I agree with your point. Nobody gets angry that they're in charge of their own affairs. They don't even think about it. Why get annoyed about Scotland having the same powers? Marianne

[@margaretcorrigan4205]

I think the Scottish parliament should be dissolved, we in England should go back to our shires and get rid of our mayors which we never voted for. Also get rid of postal votes and machine counting and then things might get back to how they should be before the Tony Blair decade.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Urmm, no. 😂

[@roisinmalone3015]

You are kidding Imagine the uproar if you got rid of the Scottish Parliament. UK - Yugoslavia

[@alanmacaskill6121]

Is this satire?

[@johnjames4681]

Brexit will seen UK pruned a little with Scotland leaving and Ireland unifying . Brexit has facilitated this by ignoring the wishes of Scots and Irish.

[@allykhan8594]

I send goods to n.i . It's like exporting to the e.u

[@Brian-om2hh]

If Scotland wants independence, then let them have it. If there is more spent on Scotland per head, than in any other part of the UK, as is often cited, then there could soon be serious financial issues for Ms Sturgeon to contend with. If the piggy bank begins to get light, then free prescriptions and university places could be some of the first casualties. I personally would prefer Scotland to remain as part of the UK...... I'm English, although my mother came from Inverness...... As I understand it , there are many Scots who are less than happy with Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP.....

[@iVenge]

I’ve got a true minority position. Scottish independence, without a return to the EU, and in a British Union with an independent Wales and Ireland. Union of British Republics.

[@iVenge]

@Bigb That wouldn’t make any sense with what I am proposing. A Union of British Republics would have a common currency. Additionally, since all previous decisions regarding infrastructure were imposed on Scotland and Wales from Westminister anyway, compensation should be moot, unless wants to enter into a discussion of reparations for past English behaviour. Technically, with what I’m talking about, you would have four (or five, if Ireland can’t get together) republics with maximum autonomy within a economic and defence union.

[@rogerdavies8586]

Not that much of a minority I hope. It sounds cool. Marianne

[@markusass]

Personally, I've always seen myself as English, and never British. The Union worked best during the Empire, when everyone was fat and happy. Once economic decline set in, the people's of whatever nation state or union gets restless and looks for scapegoats. The West is going to start breaking up this coming decade, including the USA. It's just time. I'm looking forward to an independent England again in the 2030s, probably with Wales -- but if they want to leave, that's up to them.

[@cochun7]

Wales want to break away from english rule, The murdering empire is well finished, time to burn the butchers apron.

[@andymoss2490]

It's pretty certain that the Scottish Nationalist party are already planning for the third ' once in a lifetime ', referendum if this one doesn't reach the intended result .it's also pretty obvious why they like the EU as this is how that particular organisation tend to operate.

[@joeclarke7048]

Excellent ✔

[@gerardfulton6629]

Andy, can you tell me exactly who used the term "once in a lifetime" and in what context? I'll be astonished if you can. As for the EU, I don't recall any of the members of that particular union state that one of its members couldn't have a vote to leave if its parliament voted for such a thing. The UK didn't need to beg the EU to have a referendum and in fact could have had one every year if that's what the UK Parliament voted for!! The problem with the UK as everyone knows is that Scotland isn't being treated as part of a union but as a colony of England. Unions in the true sense of the word break up every single day when one side believes it's had enough. Just have a look at the divorce figures to see examples of that. No side in any union has the right to refuse the other side "permission" to leave if it so wishes. Like it or not Scotland will become independent if that's what the Scottish people want. History has shown this time and again.

[@andymoss2490]

@@gerardfulton6629 Nicola Sturgeon in a BBC interview ,in 2013 ,she's the leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party .

[@roberthearle9560]

not one single country that's left England have ever come back.

[@Lookup70]

That’s quite a nonsensical statement.

[@lennydale92]

How convenient that you people forget that Scotland were also big players in the imperialism period.

[@okiwatashi2349]

Can we please have Peter Hitchens and Douglas Murray as our leaders, please!

[@whatplanetareweon2375]

Because they would do what?

[@okiwatashi2349]

@@whatplanetareweon2375 have some common sense hopefully

[@xenech]

Peter doesn't want it sadly

[@ou7shined972]

The premise of "independence being 'GRANTED' to Scotland" (9:40) ends the debate on a "partnership of equals". If it were equal, permission need not be sought.

[@benmacdui9328]

Exactly

[@misererenobis8900]

Wasn’t Scotland promised during the last referendum that if they voted to remain in the UK, Westminster would ensure they would remain in the EU?

[@James-sk4db]

Nope

[@owenjones7517]

No.

[@bighands69]

No such promise was made. You do not get to rerun a referendum via media activism to you get the right result.

[@m0shene]

Yes, that promise was implied by the statements of Cameron, when he said that if Scotland would vote to leave the UK they would leave the EU as well. What he meant was the UK was a member if the EU, so it had the right to veto any attempt of EU membership for an indwpendwnt Scotland. Since brexit happened, the situation now is very different, and sure that if Scotland would bote to leave the UK, they would be welcomed by th EU.

[@owenjones7517]

@@m0shene _"What he meant was the UK was a member of the EU, so it had the right to veto any attempt of EU membership by an independent Scotland"_ : That's not what he said. What he said (and what the EU said) was if Scotland voted to end the UK in 2014 they would have to reapply to the EU as a new member state, which was a statement of *fact* . The SNP were fully prepared to lose EU membership in 2014 if it meant independence. Funny that. The veto threat was and remains from Spain, and Scotland does not fit the criteria for new membership & wouldn't for many years. It has no currency of its own and would be expected to make a future comittment to the Euro. Your comment, much like @Miserere Nobis, it absolute waffle.

[@sandybottom6623]

Get rid of Wokism and pride in being English and in England will return.

[@knowbs2122]

So it's time for an English parliment, and reinstate the English constitution

[@TheGriffintatt]

You got your English Votes for English Laws back in 2014. You just never heard about it for... some reason.

[@macflod]

England should have a separate parliament

[@lucasduncan1082]

@@macflod what would be the point though? Westminster is 85% English! 🤷‍♂️

[@macflod]

@@lucasduncan1082 because it would have its owned devolved powers like the other nations. You might find smaller parties get more seats there as it could be setup in a proportional way. You could vote for parties like green, Ukip etc and not feel your vote was wasted. Westminster would be there mostly for foreign affairs, defence etc. Id also say dont have it in London, have it situated some place else.

[@lennydale92]

@@TheGriffintatt That same law that the SNP opposed? 😂

[@six-star-hotels5698]

End London Rule!!! Free Scotland!!!

[@simonthomas5367]

A lot of twaddle being peddled here. Blair's Government didn't ever have the goal of breaking up the Union. The Scottish and Welsh Parliaments were created as a result of the Irish Peace Accords, part of which included an independant parliament for Northern Ireland. As they got one, the option had to be given to the other Union members. The Scots want an idependance vote because they disagreed with Brexit. Which means they favour EU membership over UK membership. Which tends to point to the fact that maybe England has misunderstood what the EU stands for all along. A trading bloc, not an assault on patriotism, as so many in the media like to portray it. And happiness? Maybe if we hadn't swallowed Reagan and Thatchers ideology that pure capitalism will bring you joy, then the English would be a bit more content. Measured capitalism, yes. Unchecked, unregulated capitalism? Well......Brexit and Trump? Neither of which seem to be going very well.

[@leslawrenson]

Why does England need or want Scotland? If they want to leave, let them go. And I hope they repossess all of the Queens houses and palaces and turn them into council flats.

[@robtroup6360]

Unfortunately this has nothing to do with the Monarchy, as she is Scotlands queen as well.

[@leslawrenson]

@@robtroup6360 Yes, I know. But after Scotland has split from the Union, she can denounce the Monarchy, repossess the houses and palaces, and turn them into council flats. PS: you do understand that my original comment was tongue-in-cheek, yeah? You're not one of those humourless lefties, are you?

[@robtroup6360]

@@leslawrenson It is actually pat of the "discussion" up here... Rangers ( otherwise known as "the Queens eleven" ) supporters do actually think it is about the Monarchy and the flag.. you see them on a Saturday with their Union jacks and on a Sunday with their flutes and orange sashes.. First thing you ask a Unionist here is "Rangers or Orange Order?"

[@akaski777]

Already had one and refused it

[@bennelong8451]

Best of three

[@garypowell1540]

Peter also predicted with indignant certainty that we would never have another Conservative government. Predictions have never been Peter's strong suit, to say the least, indeed he has admitted this several times. Doubtless, there will be another referendum at some future time although the outcome is not at all certain. Even if the opinion polls are showing a slight leave majority, they also did back in 2014, and how did that turn out?

[@pippip8744]

We haven't had a Conservative Government for decades. What we have now is difficult to evaluate, but Conservative it is not. The party with that title are old hands at protecting the party over those they govern. Luckily they had the current Labour party to go up against, so winning was hardly a stretch. So Peter was a little bit right, whilst still being wrong.

[@joebloggs8292]

I was thinking exactly the same thing Gary Powell!

[@garypowell1540]

@@pippip8744 Yes we have had a Conservative government, indeed several since Peter made his prediction. What we have not had is a conservative one since at least the time of Margaret Thatcher. We either need to utterly abandon the Conservative Party or recreate it in our own image as the people's party it once professed to be. How we do this is simple. We join the Conservative Party in our millions, then identify any MP who supports either the Climate Change or Covid Lockdown scams or both and deselect them ASAP. Just ask them simple questions and then vote for someone infinitely more knowledgeable and less corrupt. They have shown their rotten hand, and it is now our job to bother to look at it and play the game accordingly.

[@garypowell1540]

@@Steve_Coates No, what the fuck are you talking about?

[@Steve_Coates]

@@garypowell1540 Oops, cross posted.

[@iMertin90]

Of course we need a second. We were tricked and lied to. The older generation scared. Then dragged outta Europe

[@angiemetcalfe7210]

Change the record

[@bighands69]

If there is a second referendum the commies will want a third, fourth and so on.

[@FrostByte112]

@@bighands69 You would almost think that people have the right to change course when the situation changes. Imagine living in a country where you need to vote every couple of years. Crazy right?

[@Floweringlotus]

Peter Hitchens is a very motivational interviewee. Always has a positive spin to put on things and a solid track record of being probed right.

[@Masty24-r4b]

Ram your independence up your ring Nicola stronger together

[@rogerdavies8586]

Isn't maturity wonderful? Marianne

[@MRHallAuthor]

EU will start to collapse this year and Scotland won't vote for independence. Hitchens, as always, gives elegant but incorrect answers.

[@Steve_Coates]

Are you sure it's this year as I've been hearing that same claim for forty years.

[@mikesey1]

The most interesting part of this whole saga, is that Blair brought in devolved administrations to counter Nationalism! All it did was increase it to the point we have now.

[@saddoncarrs6963]

Yes, devolution turned out to be the thin end of the wedge .

[@lennydale92]

Of course. Devolution made the difference between Scotland and the UK so much more obvious

[@lennydale92]

@Ter Rowle The British are the least nationalist country in Europe let alone the "planet ".

[@lennydale92]

@Ter Rowle Damn you haven't been to many countries then!

[@lennydale92]

@Ter Rowle There was me thinking that countries like Poland and Hungary were far more nationalist than the UK. And here was me thinking there were other countries around the world that will arrest people for criticism of their governments. So clearly you don't know what you are talking about. 🤣🤣

[@AaronJCassidy]

Even after over a decade of Tory rule in the UK, losing Scotland is still Labour's fault. What is that guy even smoking?

[@trevorjary8393]

Breaking up the UK was the whole point of Blair devolving power....it was to enable the UK to be totally absolved into the the EU, which without it broken up...it wouldn’t happen as quickly, Look into the history.

[@Kthomasritchie]

Devolution was Labour's downfall.

[@ChibiViolin]

Can we hold a referendum on kicking them out of the union?

[@darthkek1953]

Yes. You can also have one on Ulster. You can also have one on Wales. Is Manchester allowed to declare independence? Is Norfolk?

[@kp-qr6hy]

They r becoming obnoxious

[@rachel.mcgowan]

Not exactly. But England could constitutionally vote to exit the UK, which would have similar effects. Wales and England are very closely tied though, and many experts regard them as a single legal entity.

[@darthkek1953]

@@rachel.mcgowan All you need for that is to get a party with that manifesto commitment elected in England. Not like is that, is it?

[@jockd7]

As a scot I will never vote for independence..not because we couldn't go it alone...but for WHAT....BETTER TOGETHER..NO DIVIDE AND CONQUER......THERE ARE HARD TIMES AHEAD....🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

[@countofdownable]

The Nats will simply demand another Referendum the day after they lose, like last time.

[@roisinmalone3015]

The circumstances have changed drastically since 2014 England will not be able to keep Scotland in a union the majority don't want to be in. It should've learned that from the disintegration of the British Empire

[@lennydale92]

@@roisinmalone3015 England didn't put Scotland in the Union. The union was formed in large part due to the Scottish government and the Union was started under a Scottish royal dynasty. The victim mentality is pathetic, Scotland were very big in the empire game.

[@roisinmalone3015]

@@lennydale92 I didn't say England put Scotland in the UK Union. Those Royal dynasties were a mixture of Scots and English, with England being dominant. We all speak English, that alone speaks to an English dominance and English subjugation of Celtic language and culture. I never said Scotland wasn't involved in the Empire. It played a key role in the Empire. England swiped its and Wales resources also. Wales wants reparations re coal and fresh water reserves stolen. Plus look at the populations. That tells a story. England actively encouraged depopulation of Ireland and Scotland and Wales haven't faired well either. Scotland and Wales poorer than key areas of England means emigration, a small population and maintains English dominance. While England might not have planned this re Scotland and Wales, it never did anything to address the issue because this situation suits England. For example it gets to always vote in governments, given its population size and thus always decide the direction of the UK. It also means it can do things like store all its nuclear stuff that Scotland doesn't want or support in Scotland, far away from England. And now, it's England and it's territories, the UK Union. The Westminster Government taking away devolved powers, some Tories want to end devolution completely. Scotland joined the union, it can leave the union. Only an undemocratic person would claim that Scotland doesn't have the right to decide its own future given the circumstances have changed drastically since 2014'

[@lennydale92]

@@roisinmalone3015 The formation of English in Scotland began way before union, Scots is a regional variant of English and has as much to do with Scotland as your precious little Celtic languages. Again, this victim mentality Anglophobia is pathetic.

[@roisinmalone3015]

@@lennydale92 Scottish is a Gaelic language and is not from the same family of languages as English. Re English dominance re Gaelic language and culture. I didn't say it began with the union but it's there and proof of English dominance. There is no victim mentality. It's just facts and showing why it's not beneficial for anyone to be attached to England. The best way for you to be rid of what you perceive as victim mentality is to support the break up of the union. Then we can happily all go our separate ways.

[@johng.1703]

why would anyone want to stop an independence referendum if that is what the people want? we work as a society by the consent of the governed and if the government no longer has that consent, is it a legitimate government anymore?

[@robtroup6360]

well said

[@connorthekid1]

Because they have had one, and the consent of the governed was remain.

[@johng.1703]

@@connorthekid1 yes Scotland did vote remain during Brexit, they also voted to remain in the EU during the independence referendum. It would seem there is a massive gulf between Scotland and Westminster.

[@GingerBlue84]

It isn’t often England is acknowledged as a political entity, it isn’t even, no parliament of its own.

[@diesel92kj1]

Exactly, England is the forgotten state in the union.

[@illegalopinions4082]

_Obligatory plug for the English Democrats and Daddy Dragon._

[@jwadaow]

England is an amalgam of seven states with individuated cultures.

[@Stuadh]

As Boris Johnson said in 2019 "“England has a Parliament. It’s called Westminster”.

[@illegalopinions4082]

​@@Stuadh He's right. Unfortunately, right now, it's occupied by the British.

[@gretareinarsson7461]

Why stop it? UK is a union of four nations, as such, and the people of each nation should decide if they want to continue to be the subordinate of England.

[@2cakesken]

no nation is a subordinate you can live in Scotland and work in England not far to travel see and food prices are same ,how many Scots are in parliment how wrong you are to label our partners as such.

[@gretareinarsson7461]

@@2cakesken But surely their should not be a problem to allow Scotland to have a referendum if they so choose.

[@Stuadh]

@@gretareinarsson7461 This is part of the problem. The language is always about England "allowing" Scotland to do this or that. The Treaty of Union was a treaty between equal nations; now, it is like an abusing marriage.

[@gretareinarsson7461]

@@Stuadh That is why I used the word “subordinate.” But it is perhaps a little but too harsh?

[@Stuadh]

@@gretareinarsson7461 No, it is very accurate. Scotland, Wales and NI are very much treated as subordinate to England. It's just that they shouldn't be.

[@adamwhittingham210]

I really hope they leave this time.

[@rachel.mcgowan]

So do I. I'm a unionst, but Scottish independence looks inevitable, so let's not prolong this constitutional limbo a day longer than we have to.

[@user-wy4mp9ts3u]

That is funny

[@adamwhittingham210]

@@user-wy4mp9ts3u what is funny ?

[@rogerdavies8586]

@@adamwhittingham210 Some people find Wales inherently funny. All the more reason to leave the UK. Marianne

[@djames6780]

I feel 5hat Scotland is family, go and spread your wings and if you need to come home then your room will always be here.

[@iMertin90]

The thing is. We want freedom. We are fed up of the SNP also but we don’t have much else for our freedom

[@stonemarten1400]

Freedom from what? Subsidies from the English tax payer?

[@Stuadh]

@@stonemarten1400 Scotland is Schrodinger's tax-payer. It is apparently the highest taxed part of the UK, while simultaneously being subsidised by England. Please explain.

[@simosimpson4124]

Independance for the English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@noelhadjimichael2570]

Difficult yes, not guaranteed. Withholding a vote during this Westminster Parliament is reasonable. A further vote in 2024 or 2025 can be warranted. A respectful narrative works.

[@rogernewton7831]

If they give the Scottish Independent vote to everyone in the UK, vote YES!

[@valashwow5100]

The EU has had it's day.. Uk were the 1st of many that will leave now .... Wont take long

[@neilhedley6080]

Let the people decide

[@waynebateman9440]

Once in a generation vote unless it’s not the result you want

[@ye3139]

we voted to stay in the union under the assumption we would be staying in the EU. Scotland was dragged out the EU against its will and votes of the people. Hardly a crime if we want another vote to stay in the EU which was the goal all along?

[@t.r.7811]

Are you referring to the 2019 Westminster election?

[@lindaholden9133]

Can the English please vote, because it’s our taxpayers who are paying towards this.?

[@scottishbombolini7794]

You did vote, England voted to end the UK...Brexit...Tories...PM Doris... Now it's our turn, democracy can be a bitch...and full of Kama. Tick Tock

[@deanguiri3058]

Their last referendum was in 2014, and it was a 'one in a generation' vote. Try again in a few decades.

[@tracyofbg]

It is up to them not you to decide

[@embalmertrick1420]

@@tracyofbg no, everyone has a say, we are the UK, plus here in Scotland the SNP does not speak for us, actually am embarrassed of their behaviour

[@ye3139]

@@embalmertrick1420 the SNP does speak for people if it’s the majority

[@t.r.7811]

No, it wasn't.

[@tracyofbg]

@@embalmertrick1420 stupid argument considering that in UK we have a Tory government, who also don’t speak for most of us!