Peter Parker vs Dr. Stephen Strange in the movie Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)

[@HellFighterz]

I like how even after all this, Strange was still willing to perform the spell to help Peter, really goes to show how much he respects the kid

[@roshallock5747]

I feel like he sees a lot of Tony in him. Strange grew to respect Tony over time, especially his willful sacrifice. He knows that Peter is a good person who wants to do the right thing.

[@Truthstter]

Lol he didn’t want to help, he quite literally had to to fix the mistake he made.

[@Zoras88]

He was able to prove Strange wrong when he was curing the villains

[@arpandey7043]

Bringing some one from death breaks rule of universe and thus the whole universe collapses as shown in case of sinister strange's universe...so the consequense is to big...hence strange was right

[@atharvasharma777]

Respect he cared a lot for Spider-Man Spider-Man said he botched his spell five times Doctor strange said 6 so the Sixth one was himself he put his name in the spell because he didn’t wanted to forget Peter Parker The incident that took place in Loki series because of that the spell was done wrong by strange

[@MrMisterman1]

So cool that, even though he's separated from his physical form, his spider sense is still active and moving his body for him

[@indigoward4396]

In Spectacular Spider-Man, when he goes out in the symbiote suit, he fights the Sinister Six and when he gets home, it's revealed that HE WAS ASLEEP THE WHOLE TIME HE WAS FIGHTING! Obviously, it was the symbiote that made him move while he was sleeping, but perhaps his spider-sense was coming into play during that time too.

[@timedrip9178]

it would be cool but then he gets his ass beat every fight after so it was stupid

[@brazyrist]

@@indigoward4396 ahh I needa watch that show rn I’m finishing Ultimate Spider-Man pretty good and funny so far pretty predictable but can’t hate since it’s for younger audiences

[@benjaminbierley2074]

His getting his butt still handed to him has a couple of easy explanations 1) His having to hold back and pull his punches, as Otto notes when he takes over Parker's body, he throws a punch that takes out a guys jaw and realizes Spider-man has been holding WAY back all this time, which means he isn't taking lethal shots he could to end fights 2) Parker's issues with focusing do dull his Spider-sense somewhat, basically all the life problems and drama he is constantly being put through make it hard for him to focus 100% meaning his Spider-sense isn't acting at the capacity it's actually capable of (a what-if does explore him being trained by a master spy and learning to focus his spider-sense to the point it becomes precognitive and able to predict someone even "thinking" of harming him).

[@gaarasandguy]

Right around 0:47 when it shows Peter's Head and shoulders in the astral form, you can see little lines of disturbance coming off from his head and nowhere else. A great little nod to the spidey sense in animation.

[@Hazmonk]

I just love how Doctor Strange, who was shown endless possibilities, is telling Peter "You Should Not Be Able To Do That!"

[@Pro-ns7wu]

Bcz he doesn't have the time stone

[@CreativeMotions]

@@Pro-ns7wu who don't have? Dr strange just asking!!

[@tanti1083]

@@CreativeMotions ye strange doesn’t have the stone anymore

[@trasegorsuch5140]

You can know so much, and still not know everything.

[@solblackguy]

Peter's Spider sense is still one of the most unexplained things to this day.

[@jeffreypeters2803]

Its a nice touch how Strange doesn't just brute force Peter here (which I imagine he could have), but instead knows exactly how to counter his specific move set and abilities in a way that didn't hurt him (much), which is especially impressive since he really only saw Peter fight a couple of times, and he didn't exactly have time to study his move set during that time. The one thing he didn't account for was Peter's intelligence, which given the circumstances of their meetings, I guess he didn't have many chances to observe

[@Alknix]

No, the only thing he didn't account for was the screenwriter writing "And then Spider-Man wins".

[@sergioibarra3461]

@@Alknix exactly, doctor strange can control reality, he could’ve just thought of and outcome and it would happen

[@Noclevernameshere]

@@sergioibarra3461 if he can do that at all its definitly not in the mcu. if it was then thanos or wanda or anyone else would not be a threat at all

[@9nikola]

@@Noclevernameshere Thanos and Wanda were threats to Doctor Strange because their abilities to alter reality were stronger than his own. The only way Peter can alter reality is by doing the unexpected, which is usually expected of him.

[@CypherASMRist]

Imagine if strange was actually there to fight the Spiderman villains. Including goblin….movie would’ve been a bit more short 😅

[@SolarFluxation]

The fact that Peters spidey sense is actually shown as visible energy waves around his head like it was shown as in Spiderverse is an incredible touch that I don't think most people noticed.

[@pokemontas8025]

where?

[@agreatmannamedlieu]

@@pokemontas8025 Around his Astral projection while he's talking when strange keeps reaching for the box.

[@-DEATH_LORD]

​@@pokemontas80250:45

[@Mr.PR2000]

Spider-verse? 🤣 those lines been around since the old comics.

[@bjkaye9918]

Oh wow. I never noticed that.

[@my.name_00]

i love how strange has no sense of emergency in the situation. He still taking peter's action lightly.

[@Isaic02]

From what I’ve seen, Dr. Strange from the comics usually maintains a rather cavalier attitude in most situations. Even when Constantine was out there killing for powers and stealing ancient relics, Strange wasn’t happy, but didn’t really get outwardly mad.

[@Tim.Stotelmeyer]

Strange knew Peter was not acting out of malice and was trying to save lives.

[@-El.Inexperto]

@@Isaic02 wait, isnt constantine from DC?

[@TvTink]

@@Isaic02 Constantine is DC what are you talking about?

[@youtubekullancs5530]

Why the fuck everyone says i love how

[@lmgdhgld]

I personally think that this scene literally proves why Strange is the character whom the Marvel CGI team puts the most effort on.

[@TylerInTraining]

Peter: "But what if we could change their fate?" Strange: "Sorry I think you've got me confused with a different doctor."

[@jmusic9648]

😂

[@Mamasoulasx]

Doctor Who?

[@SirCowdog]

Underrated comment.

[@alansmithee419]

@@Mamasoulasx Doctor *Fate*

[@solblackguy]

So funny thing about that. Remember when Aunt May mentioned Superman in the Raimi Spider-Man movies? In Marvel, DC's characters exist in fiction and in DC, Marvel's characters exist in fiction. If you ever see one universe mention the other, that's why.

[@ameame32]

Gotta say Dr. Strange's power is the most artistic and most beautiful from any hero I've seen

[@abbynichols194]

Agreed! He’s my fav MCU character

[@thiagoguimaraes669]

its so cool that fate kinda copied it in black adam

[@himum3429]

@@thiagoguimaraes669 Within the context of the movie you mean? Cos Fate's been doing this shit since the 40s lol.

[@thiagoguimaraes669]

@@himum3429 movies oc. but they are copycats of one another, just not sure who came first

[@himum3429]

@@thiagoguimaraes669 Fate came before Strange in the comics. But Strange obviously came to the screen before fate. Fate defo did steal some of the mirror dimensions imagery from Strange in the MCU tho. But I feel like there are only so many ways to do magic on screen. Like it's basically Harry potter style or Doctor Strange style lol.

[@MrJoelMiller]

I love how even though he’s separated from his physical body, his spidey sense is still activated at 0:45

[@numberone2676]

Is there an lore explanation how that actually still functions without his soul or something ?

[@MrJoelMiller]

@@numberone2676 🤷🏻

[@M3Lucky]

@@numberone2676 it's literally a magic thing if you go off comic lore.

[@anshumankakralia7542]

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[@elitehenrylegio]

@@numberone2676 yes because your reflexes are working without your mind. And the are in Peters case better and connected to the spider sense.

[@MagusFyre]

What amazes me along with everything else in this scene is how accurate Spider-Man is with his web shooting... Aimed his web at his ring no prob!

[@titanictnt7476]

That would be the Spider Sense.

[@aidandsouza2005]

@@titanictnt7476 shut up

[@soulblack4445]

That's a great spider right there

[@trashuogaming3330]

@@soulblack4445 smoosh that spider has a darker meaning when it's no longer a cat

[@sauce6746]

Also excellent eye sight

[@TheN1ghtwalker]

Thanos: "I am inevitable" Peter: "And I know math"

[@CamdenKaneakaNeptunesdaughter]

And math was invented by satan

[@michaelidarecis]

actually Thanos could say how is that math working out with aunt may?

[@turfthenerf]

It is actually correct beacause Thanos's whole theory was built on wrong math work.

[@ryanmarquez3556]

@@turfthenerf The math was never the point for Thanos, he just sought moral justification for his genocidal cruelty.

[@turfthenerf]

@@ryanmarquez3556 Yea, but still, the movie plot is kinda mocking at our sanity: He had the snap, and he decided to kill half of all livings, not increase the resources....emmmm

[@adslfkjasdlfkj]

0:45 you can actually see his spider sense around his head amazing detail

[@not_a_starfish2749]

Like in the games and animated series of spider man

[@NasiMack]

@@not_a_starfish2749 yeah, this was a nice way to implement that comic book affect into the movie

[@KissedByFire16]

i didn't catch that, that's a cool touch

[@vishnuanand1583]

Holy shit that's so cool

[@holden7688]

Never noticed this, thanks!!!

[@Onyxzegamer]

I love how Peter can counter dr.strange’s mirror dimension with math because it kinda plays into the idea of what Thor said that magic is only science we don’t understand

[@Slowpoke3x]

Eh no he was kinda speaking metaphorically. " The mirror dimension is just geometry" actually translates to " I can use the unique geometry of the landscape to land a surprise attack on Strange. Let me just calculate how best string up these boulders. " You could also say our world is just geometry.

[@doriantheobald6196]

@@Slowpoke3x i mean you can defeat dr. strange in the real world too if you web up boulders the right way xD

[@TheDeathmail]

It was instead just showing how smart Peter is...

[@Iwondera]

Bruh magic has nothing to do with science just because you can comprehend things in a certain way doesn’t make it so, at best the pinnacle of science wields laws and the pinnacle of magic denies science or laws which nobody really understands at all. ( I’m talking about the force that makes reality law) I always found it dumb why others think magic is impossible like bruh we expect wizards from magic when even after all these years scientist’s haven’t made holograms. Fantasy is proof of magical creation simply adapt it to the real world.

[@suggestagoodname831]

​@@IwonderaOK in the mcu atleast your right because their magic has a shit system and people can just do random bullshit but in other universes where magic is written well magic just like science follows its own rules and those rules cannot be changed but its intrisinsic to the magic system So magic is science we don't understand as long as it has rules and regulations in place

[@loboros3458]

Would've been cool to see a bit more of this in Multiverse of Madness

[@UltraFluffyGamer]

Yeah like srsly why did strange not do anything to Wanda at all they really disrespected his power in that movie! I know wanda is stronger but strange is no joke

[@phantomgamer9264]

@@UltraFluffyGamer strange shouldn't have struggled at all the whole movie most of the time he is the one to stop dangerous magic threats

[@UltraFluffyGamer]

@@phantomgamer9264 I know right! I can’t believe Captain Carter put up more of a fight against Wanda than Doctor Strange did the entire movie

[@sweetbabyrodney]

She was in the mirror dimension and got out of it like a G. That shit ain't gonna work.

[@UltraFluffyGamer]

@@sweetbabyrodney she got out of some dumb mirror dimension prism. Maybe if the movie hadn't written Strange as an idiot and he put her in the mirror dimension that actually can trap people in there, like the one we saw in spiderman no way home, and dr strange 1, she wouldn't have gotten out so easily.

[@christopherroyal7939]

This scene is an excellent example of how spiderman 616 spidersense worked in the comics. It activates his spider reflexes without conscious thought from Peter. If you look closely you can see the old school tingling around his head. Nice

[@Mid276]

It’s literally muscle memory. If Spider-Man dies his body will still react to hits and stuff for a couple seconds

[@megaultradamn]

If strange had done this again after Spidey got hit a few times, his spider sense might have slowed down enough for Strange to take the box.

[@Mid276]

@@megaultradamn nah man Peter was hit a bunch of times in spiderman 2 and managed to sense the train ending at least 2 miles away or sumn

[@megaultradamn]

@@Mid276 right. I just wish we saw the extent of his spider senses. We know he can ignore it when he knows the danger isn't real. I just thought that, if his body is hit in the right nerves, it could damper his sense.

[@Caldoric]

THIS! I noticed it when I first saw it, too. It's a perfect little nod to the comics tbh, but I'm not sure it's just 616 Spidey that has the wavy line thing... Then again, maybe I'm just skewed by how Spiderverse had them all doing it.

[@aarots1]

I love how Strange is all restrained with Peter comparing to how he acts with Wanda, although they're both did stuff that could cause damage to the multiverse. Strange knew that Wanda ain't playing like Peter did, and he undterstand that she actually has a huge amount of power which makes her dangerous.

[@nobodyknows1015]

And probably cuz Peter wasn’t trying to kill a child or anyone in general 💀

[@gmab8403]

@@nobodyknows1015 in fact, he was trying to save people if anything, and I think that Strange, as a Doctor, he can relate to that

[@watchforever1724]

@@gmab8403 makes sense

[@dox5634]

You can also see by Stranges demeanor before and during the fight that he was treating peter like a child which led to him underestimating parker quite a bit

[@Gebdoe]

I mean, yeah, I kinda hope he treats "let's try to save these people" and "I will kill you/anyone who gets in my way" in two very different ways.

[@bobbylee546]

One of my favorite scene in MCU, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko would be so proud, both of their creations in this iconic beautiful scene.

[@hiefxtm6659]

They definitely wouldn't be proud to see Strange losing to "MATH". Such a disrespect to the character.

[@Gemnist98]

Lee definitely would be, but Ditko would be mad they’re using the characters at all.

[@hiefxtm6659]

@Sedition Case How to say "I have no idea about the comics" without actually saying it.

[@nt8255]

@@hiefxtm6659 you seem to have no idea what your talking about. Spidey pulls this shit all the time in the comics. He's beat the fantastic 4, the x-men and even silver surfer. If you have a problem with this then you have a problem with spiderman in general.

[@hiefxtm6659]

@@nt8255 You say it yourself, he beat f4, xmen and silver surfer. But did you realize that it's Dr Strange him against? You know, the person who's the Earth's most powerful defender, the person who's been referred "The most powerful being in the multiverse" by the Beyonder, the only person who managed to escape Living Tribunal's imprisonment which was supposed to be inescapable for any magic wielder. I don't have any problem with Spider-Man, I love the character. But apparently you guys have no idea about Dr Strange.

[@Y0G0FU]

i love how much restraint Strange is showing here. He knows he could end Peter in an instant if he really wanted to but he went the route of "only use as much force as necessary".. too bad he underestimated how damn smart this Spiderman is :P

[@andrewburris4370]

You know considering how much more experienced Stephen Strange is compared to Parker, it's pretty impressive that Parker was actually able to hold his own, constrict Stephen, and take the box at the end. That just shows how much more Parker has improved after Homecoming, Infinity War, Endgame, and Far From Home: and also shows Parker taking full advantage of his math(smarts) Props to you Holland. :)

[@StalrosTheGreenMage1]

Well that and Dr. Strange wasn't actually trying to hurt spiderman he was just after the box. I agree that he's come a tremendous way though.

[@ML-sc3pt]

More like this is just called plot armor You know like every time batman beats superman

[@hazemetz7896]

I like how strange says "oww" when Peter pulls his ring from his finger. it shows even though he's become massively powerful his injury still hurts him.

[@umer597]

No disrespect but you are so wrong. He says " oww " sarcastically as to show that removing his ring won't affect him that much .

[@BigWelshMike]

@@umer597 I think you’re wrong. His delivery is one of offence. He’s offended Spider-Man just stole his ring.

[@vloggerman7414]

@@umer597 won't affect much💀❓ the sling ring is literally the only key to get out of the mirror dimension u should rewatch both DS and NWH but activate a time loop so that you understand it fully

[@RobynNightShade]

He's saying ow cos having a ring yanked off your finger like that, really does hurt

[@hazemetz7896]

@@RobynNightShade I'm guessing more so of your hands were fucked up and needed massive surgery just to work again.....

[@CapturedJourneys]

1:15 this moment in cinema was just amazing

[@cultist8761]

Imax my first viewing, super intense

[@cristopherperalta]

INCEPTION movie did it first tho. But yes, pretty cool.

[@artmeatj6620]

It really was. And I was high as balls

[@davidgordillo6583]

Loud asf too

[@eugeniamarch]

I KNOW RIGHT BRUH IT WAS SO INTENSE just that one moment changed the whole atmosphere and till this day gives me goosebumps😭😭😭

[@commanderbrish5776]

Strange: * about to take the box from Peter * Peter: bro you forgot, this is my movie.

[@commanderbrish5776]

@fard_floppa_gaming the true power of plot armor

[@shadowkhiz7455]

@@commanderbrish5776 I mean it was more the Spider-Sense being accurately portrayed but yeah I guess you could still call it that.

[@sanjayg9466]

You know what strange got kicked in his own movie

[@G0L0V0L0MKEE]

@@shadowkhiz7455 HIS INTENT IS HIS B0DY-C0NTAINING & C0MENT ISNT CLAIMING SPIDERMAN DID IT (BUT CAN BE C0NCIDAR THAT WAY ANY WAY)

[@Sonicthefirst]

*plot armor activated so we can continue the movie with lazy writing*

[@EUROPAMusicOfficialChannel]

It's wild to me that this movie had more Doctor Strange awesomeness than Multiverse of Madness did.

[@Shadow91507]

That's cuz you forgot about all the Dr Strange awesomeness in MoM.

[@Nemenis]

@@Shadow91507 theres nothing but him getting whooped by wanda in that god awful movie. the movie name should be "Wanda: And the others". even the "what if" series had a way cooler doctor strange lmao only notable scene from MoM is when strange becomes a zombie but simply get squashed like a bug by wanda 2 minutes later lmao

[@arianalikens5300]

​@@Nemenisyeah clearly there's a huge gap in powers beetween the two but i think it's because wanda is using a different kind of magic unique to her and it's the most powerful magic in marvel

[@Tipsy.42]

​@@NemenisThe fact that you failed to mention the music fight scene shows you're hating on parts of the film for no reason. That scene was extremely well done and creative asf

[@xpeterson]

0:18 I love little things like this. Peter is not falling because he is hanging on to… Himself. In a shifted plane. Where gravity is going in a different direction. It’s like little physics problems from the portal video game that are just casually thrown in from time to time without batting an eye.

[@itzangel9379]

It honestly made me think that, Its not just wanda that controls both of her physical form and her soul, But its interesting to say peter can also do it but not really controlling both of he's physical and mental form, Its just that he's spider senses can do it and thats amazing lol

[@henrynava497]

You can actually see the spidey sense when pete was separated on his body

[@jandergeurts1367]

@@henrynava497 no shit, sherlock

[@FiltyIncognito]

I was about to say that a cephalopod type being, like a squid, could probably also pull it off to a degree since their brains are kinda all over their body, semi-independantly controlling their legs and whatnot... and that reminded me of Dr. Octopus. If regarded as symbiotic pair entity, Dr Oc could also kinda qualify for being able to control both physical and soul, to a degree. And what about Iron Man? He's poured so much into his suits and the AI that they could sort of be considered extensions of himself.

[@MagiofAsura]

I think this scene is just a cool thing but wasn't too thought out.

[@M00N1A6]

Spider sense vs Wanda who will win- Wanda,but I do like we can see some form of his spider sense

[@Flamer997]

Strange has a point, peter saves a handful of people yet an infinite amount still die.

[@muhammadtarunaaldiramadan248]

you can't save everyone, yet it doesn't mean you have to save no one.

[@sentryion3106]

I mean it’s who Peter Parker is: young and charismatic. Sometimes even naive to a fault. In all honestly I was mad at what Peter because of how he saved a couple of complete strangers while completely ruining the lives of everyone around him including his own , but I also understand his reasoning for it.

[@dasik84]

@@sentryion3106 Well, it was May who forced him to do it.

[@Gemnist98]

No one died except Aunt May, wtf are you talking about?

[@Flamer997]

@@Gemnist98 It's a multiverse movie, do you want me to explain how an infinite amount of Spider-Man villains will die or did you just not think that far ahead.

[@jj1442]

Honestly one of the best scenes in the entire film. It’s extremely well directed, and besides a few wonky green screen shots, the majority of the sequence looks amazing, with some particularly beautiful shots in it as well. The overall construction of the scene was also very clever and well executed imo. Obviously in a serious fight-to-the-death situation , strange wins 99 times out of 100, but it was very clever of the filmmakers to put this fight in a particular context where we could feasibly believe Peter, not “winning” per se, but escaping/evading strange. Peter didnt overpower strange, but instead used his environment and knowledge abt that environment (& math) against strange, which was a great touch and soooo “Peter Parker” imo. Also if u even have a little ounce of comprehension skills, you’d understand that strange wasn’t trying to seriously hurt or kill Peter, which is another reason Peter gets away. Overall I just think this particular sequences was an excellent and well crafted scene. The choreography and realization of both strange’s and peter’s powers & abilities were also very well executed

[@Timeward76]

Strange wasn't even trying to *hit* peter at all. ALL he wanted to do in this "fight" was to take the cube and keep Peter in the mirror dimension until he was done. It was more of a struggle over the cube than a real fight. That's why he wins, because neither wanted to hurt the other here.

[@SumitKumarrr1]

Even under the pretext that Strange didn't want to hurt Peter, this fight is mind numingly stupid. The simple fact that Strange is established to have telekinesis(in multiverse of madness he lifts and disassembles an entire bus with telekinesis) renders any notion of Spiderman, who doesn't have telekinesis, contending with him absolutely laughable. The only thing that prevents Strange from suspending Peter in mid air via magic is plot convenience. Not to mention the whole sequence in the beginning where Strange was trying to grab the cube was absolutely stupid. Peter has Spider sense, but all it does is alert him to danger. It doesn't make him naturally react to it, else he would never get hit. Him moving with his soul outside his body was stupid. Not to mention, the spider sense shouldn't even activate as Strange wasn't putting him in any danger and was instead just opposing Spiderman's motivations.

[@Timeward76]

@@SumitKumarrr1 trying to explain spider sense is a fool's errand. It never made proper sense what it can or can't do. It reacts to what peter perceives as a threat, which in this situation he would.

[@SumitKumarrr1]

@@Timeward76 you can argue as such but there's still a million things wrong with this fight. For instance, why didn't Strange just trap Spiderman in one of the chambers he trapped the Spiderman villains in? You can't say it's because Peter is too fast since Strange caught him with a sling ring at two points in the fight.

[@watchforever1724]

@@Timeward76 wasn’t really a fight it was more of a chase

[@devieeboiitaylor1532]

I love how Peter was able to just randomly boost his own confidence and ego once he realized the Mirror Dimension was basically his favorite subject in school

[@finnmcool2]

Whether in the comics or movies it makes me laugh when you can see the writers suddenly remember "Oh yeah! Parker is a genius. He doesn't have to just punch stuff."

[@RindouHasRan]

One detail i liked about the three spidermen and their smarts is that each spider is more inclined into one field of science, like yeah they all HAVE to be good at physics. But u can see tom holland is a bit more of a chemist , andrew an engineer, and toby is more biology with the cure for goblin…just some cool thing i noticed.

[@jamesking4736]

I love everything about that scene You can see his spider sense very faintly around his head as a transparent vfx effect and his body redacting without him in it shows how powerful that ability is. Later in the comics when spiderman has fully mastered all his powers he becomes near impossible to hit. He ran the danger room on max maxed out setting with no safety on and he cleared it flawlessly.

[@thepocketmonsterman]

When he sends him to the mirror dimension it may seem like a very sudden jump, but you’re actually seeing the reflection heading towards the mirror and then him breaking through. That’s what gives it such a sudden and jagged feel. So amazing

[@dragontamer1012]

I love how this little fight greatly exemplifies all the things that make Spider-Man the hero he is, his most powerful abilities are his intelligence, and his spider sense. Super strength and web-slinging and wall-crawling are all minor abilities compared to what he can do with his brains and the reflexes to react to nearly any action in his general presence.

[@a_fine_edition2746]

I just realized that during the whole Astral form sequence that literally everything around them is moving in slow motion. Yet Strange is able to perceive everything in a natural flow, meaning his speed is way greater than it seems.

[@YahoooWahooo]

And Peter’s body was still able to react automatically at a speed that kept Strange from taking the box from him.

[@MaskOfCinder]

Spider-Man and Doctor Strange would have to be moving faster than the speed of sound if that was accurate.

[@a_fine_edition2746]

@@MaskOfCinder Probably. Spidey's speed feats would be pretty consistent with that I think, and Strange consistently keeps pace with and reacts to opponents at those speeds.

[@JamaicaZ160R1793010A]

A great scene to show both came so far even though this was a clash of ideals and they were allies so once again both were restrained with their attacks. That part of his physical form moving on it's own was a nice nod to real spiders.

[@nicksorenson940]

Okay so, I'll confess that up until now I hadn't really been won over by Tom Holland as Spider-Man or the idea of the MCU introducing another new Spider-Man that was so different from the more classic portrayals of him that we've had. But I did go into watching No Way Home to see the return of Sam Raimi's characters while also being open to seeing if anything in this movie would have me warm up more to Holland's Spider-Man, and I have to say, I'd consider this to be the moment where he really gained my appreciation for the first time. Here he is sympathizing with these villains who aren't even his own and the conditions that they're going through because he doesn't want to send them back to their own realities if their fate is to be killed off, and he's willing to stand up to the very master of the mystic arts himself to defend them because he believes there can be another way for them. Bearing in mind this is before he even finds out how much of a monster Norman Osborn can be under the influence of the Green Goblin, and even then I would say my opinion on Holland's Spider-Man only got to be better for the rest of the film. If anything this movie has been the kind of thing we needed to help make fans feel less divided on all these different attempts of bringing Spider-Man to film, when now they can be bridged together through a movie that celebrates how different each of them are. That being said I'm actually interested in re-visiting the Amazing Spider-Man films now after watching this movie.

[@alguem9371]

Uga uga

[@davidpierce7581]

I respect your opinion and would agree Tom Hollands iteration is the most different. However he is the most successful Spider-Man. All 3 of his solo movies were successes as well as the other 3 MCU movies were major blockbusters. He is my most favourite Spider-Man. The character needs to adapt to the times and evolve. Tom Holland is my favourite

[@nicksorenson940]

​@@davidpierce7581 Well if Sam Raimi's Spider-Man has still been my favorite up to this point it's because of his films feeling the closest to the original classic Spider-Man of the comics. Yes MCU's Spider-Man has been very different since he was introduced, but make no mistake that I did come out of this movie with more appreciation for Tom Holland's Spider-Man. It really does help that a movie like this even exists now to bridge together all of the different movie Spider-Men that we've had as an unbiased love letter to the character in general and his history in cinema. I definitely enjoyed seeing Raimi's characters again, but also liked seeing how they play a meaningful role in the development of Holland's Spider-Man and weren't just in this movie for the sake of fan service.

[@watchforever1724]

I expected this movie to be enjoyable now for the amazing Spider-Man movies you either like or hate them

[@sib1930]

He has more than enough appreciation pal. He's a great spider-man and he doesn't need your approval

[@Cadmean_7]

I love that you can actually see his spider sense now, really a nice touch, also can we appreciate the CGI in this scene, everyone keep saying it's bad, but it looks pretty good to me

[@ed_cmntonly]

You can see a bit of bad cgi in 1:58 with Doctor Strange but yeah, it's really good

[@lore3752]

1:59 just in this shot the green screen behind Strange is way too clear and a bit wonky but except that the CGI in the rest of the scene is very good

[@mythbreaker443]

wait, when peter exits his body, you can see the fuzzy look over his head, but if you have a close look... it kind of looks similar to the comic spidey sense, you see it in the spider verse as well. its cool.

[@Matatoskr]

1:52 im 27 now and docs reaction here is relatable when dealing wuth children 😂😂😂

[@theoneandonlynumber1253]

1:54 strange: this is why I dont have kids

[@3badthebad]

2:44the way his voice changes when he’s falling cracks me up 😂

[@spideyfan1278]

I can’t stop laughing at how his body manages to keep the box away from Strange especially with only just one arm. 🤣🤣

[@lordburton16]

0:45 if you look carefully above Peter's head you can see his spider sense

[@gaugemogle0779]

I just noticed that Comic book accuracy of the lines coming from his head as he senses stuff

[@FirstNameLastName1162AD]

I love the way Strange says “give me the box” as if Peter is just a child playing keep away

[@Iceflkn]

@ 0:47 are we seeing Spidermans, "Spider Sense" as a halo around his head?

[@ykingbrawlstars]

Yes

[@1rotzy]

Anyone else notice the waves coming off of Peter’s head while he is in Astral form? It’s almost like a familiar tingle we all know and love.

[@himanshusoni8542]

Yeah

[@omaralaoui2177]

Strange fighting Peter is like when you're 1v1ing your little brother and you're so eager to use every combo you know but you still let him win cause deep down you know you can beat him without breaking a sweat.

[@guuh5772]

Fr

[@theintunity]

Everything in this movie was so well thought out and written by the writers. I just wish Disneys Star Wars could be written that creatively.

[@SinisterPixel]

There's so many cool beats in this: - When Peter is separated from the limits of his physical body, his spider powers are no longer encumbered and he's able to use it's full power (hence why he says he feels amazing and his spidey sense is so strong that it becomes visible) - Strange proceeds to underestimate him at every turn, calling him "kid", and gets outsmarted. One could argue that at full power, Strange could handily beat Spider-Man, but don't forget that Peter also has to pull his punches, even against major threats.

[@bobbodaskank]

There's a few comics that show Peter without restraint, and he's absolutely one of the most terrifyingly powerful Marvel characters. One of my favorite examples, even though it wasn't some cosmically powerful foe, was a sequence where Kingpin had found out Peter's identity and went and hurt Aunt May. They get in some barefist brawl in prison where Kingpin is like "maybe that'll teach you what real power is" or something, like even if he's in prison he can still hurt Peter, because he's certain prison is the worst Peter as a person is capable of. Peter beats the snot out of him, almost to death, like "this is a warning about what will happen if you take away the one person who makes me want to pull my punches."

[@SinisterPixel]

@@bobbodaskank what's the issue name? I wanna read that now

[@bobbodaskank]

@@SinisterPixel The Amazing Spider-man 542

[@darrylisaac9400]

@@SinisterPixel there's also a what if storyline where kingpin kills mj instead of aunt may. And peter fights kingpin and iron man he breaks and disables iron man's armor and then he puts a hole through kingpin with a single punch

[@DunkdaHunk]

The issue is that Doctor Strange has such a huge arsenal of ways to deal with just about anything. His limitations and losses come from situational stuff such as fighting someone he doesn't want to harm. Spiderman is a force to be reckoned with, but Strange is a whole other level, a character few could deal with if he turned bad.

[@javiertenorio3246]

This scene hits me hard when he says he has to try. Isn't that what life is about.

[@marukchozt6744]

Not always. The kid thought he could play god and traded his aunt, and almost his humanity inthe process. What happens when you go on and try the big stuff without calculating the risks

[@uhjeff3651]

Nah.. life is about bullying minorities

[@remagylenol5613]

@@marukchozt6744 i miss the part where that's my problem.

[@gaeru0006]

@@marukchozt6744 So is it good to choose killing someone because it’s the easiest and safest way to do? Is it morally good?

[@HoaTruong-km9rk]

But what you willing to trade to try out that ? He lost his aunt and his fucking identity.

[@KrixOG-]

Honestly one of the best fight scenes in the mcu

[@TheMercwithaMouth199]

1:35 so reminds me of the quick time chase moments from the PlayStation Spider-Man and Miles Morales games, like the Rhino mall chase.

[@davidgordillo6583]

Same I had flashbacks of that

[@Seraph333theLionhearted]

Math teacher: when you say you'll never use my class in the real world, just remember, Peter Parker defeated Dr. Strange with geometry

[@maestrogeicho]

Still one of the best scenes in the entire MCU.

[@maestrogeicho]

@@LironSegevonnicegram Ok daddy 😘

[@Girlwhohaveaconstipation]

Literally i got goosebumps 😭so shame I can't watch this on cinema

[@Sonicthefirst]

@@maestrogeichoWTF weirdo

[@Sonicthefirst]

It’s fun, but full of plot armor and lazy writing

[@krypticfox1]

Spider-Man is such an amazing hero! He might be a kid and jokes around but always thinking of ways out. That infinite teleport drop and he webs the cape was amazing! Every single one of Spider-Man’s villains are always a lot stronger than he is but he just out thinks and maneuvers them

[@JMoore68]

Actually, most of the time, Spider-Man is much stronger than his opponents. He is always holding back. If he hit a normal person as hard as he could he would not only kill them, but literally have body parts all over the place. If he hit someone like Doctor Octavius in the face at full strength, he would decapitate him. But yes, everyone also forgets that he's absolutely brilliant.

[@krypticfox1]

Oh for sure but then again fighting with that kind of handicap while the villain doesn’t is a challenge in it self. Doctor octopus is just a man but his arms are super strong too and adding his wit? Spider-Man never had a tony stark suit it was just OG webshooters and that was it.

[@JMoore68]

@@krypticfox1 Sure, but the thing is most of the fights Spider man is in, would be one-shots for him. Spidey could rip the arms out of Doc Oct's back. He can lift 10 tons, and at times has lifted much more. We get to see just how strong he really is when Peter and Octavius switch bodies and Octavius becomes the Superior Spider Man. And just starts beating the hell out of everyone.

[@TheRisingStorm316]

Isn’t that infinite teleport drop a Portal reference?

[@AllenHanPR]

I like how he locks Strange in a place only Strange knows how to get to and takes away his only ring to get back. Risking putting Steven tied there forevever.

[@skullpunch2482]

he really is reckless

[@yomommaman4072]

The other wizards can get to him I think

[@randomcommenter8057]

Well there's still Wong

[@Martin22788]

Nah I think Peter was gonna bring him back by asking Wong. Strange was also gonna bring Peter back if he won so they had the same plan.

[@Smiley0.1]

@@Martin22788 wasn't Wong having a vacation?

[@Teoman9]

Best Spider-Man movie Ever, I don’t care what anyone says.

[@christiandonnally4822]

You'll get no argument from me I think it is.

[@bouh9140]

It's maybe you'r favorite spider-man movie but it's not the better

[@Teoman9]

@@bouh9140 dude it's my comment it seems logical that it's my opinion^^... 🤨.

[@wamviee2275]

Nostalgia = best spiderman movie ever? Ignoring the bad story and weird dialogue? Nice opinion, appreciate it👍

[@eliasdimaria1663]

Totally agreed :)

[@FahimRidzwan]

Peter : What if we can change their fate? Dr.Fate : did somebody summoned me?

[@cristianestrada5381]

I don't get it

[@FahimRidzwan]

@@cristianestrada5381 I didn’t give you anything. What you expect to get 😂

[@Slowpoke3x]

@@cristianestrada5381 sheesh marvel fans live in their own bubble

[@takeaholiday]

Strange acting like a disappointed dad is great. His mild annoyance to losing his portal ring was the nail in the coffin for me; he doesn’t see this as a fight, he just wants his box back from a kid.

[@Socratic2308]

It seems that even if he’s separated from his physical body, Strange can’t split his Peter tingle!😂😂😂😂 Edit: OMG! THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HAVING THAT MANY LIKES! THANK YOU!

[@kinggenesis7379]

Spider man is the best

[@sw8330GKEEPER]

His spider sense took over while his mind left his body.

[@Timeward76]

Yeah spider sense has a tendency to help peter when he's unconscious.

[@nohackingplease9134]

I think it was his suit controlling his body

[@sw8330GKEEPER]

@@nohackingplease9134 no it was definitely his spider sense cause it did it before in far from home.

[@jasonkmvang]

Absolutely LOVE that showcase of the amazing spider-sense. Even when unconscious his body still maintains it.

[@ryanstauffer119]

0:45 Showing the spider sense around Peter's head like in the comics and animated shows was a real nice touch. That's basically the only good time to ever do that in a live action film for Spider-Man. An opportunity perfectly taken.

[@donlackie5752]

First Peter stops and holds Bucky's arm with one hand nearly effortlessly, which Capt America couldn't do with two hands, and now he overcomes having is astral form separated which even the Hulk couldn't do. Because of his youth and inexperience, people underestimate just how powerful Spiderman is. Except Reed Richards who once opined that if Spiderman ever turned evil, they may not be able to stop him

[@KayellVargas]

Just noticed this scene is so much more impactful when one realizes the linear progression that Tom Holland's Spider-Man took fighting mysterio first in the previous films which was all about illusions and Peter's spider sense was being honed. Now the spider-sense becomes the factor that has Peter nudge out the victory facing strange and orient himself in the mirror dimension. If Peter did not encounter mysterio before strange he may have lost

[@SharksandDinos]

"Hey, Strange. You know what's cooler than magic? Math."

[@senjudarkx3970]

What's pretty cool is that if you look really closely above peters head at 0:45 you can see the waves for when ever Peter's Spider senses activates

[@greenlantern4486]

0:37 Strange: how are you using tingling abilities Spider man: uhh not you too don't call it tingling

[@MrPizzapoika]

The spider-sense lines around Peter's head when he's separated are such a nice touch.

[@ryanrahman6076]

I really like this scene. It was pretty interesting to see dr strange vs Spider-Man. I was flabbergasted to know that Spider-Man knew how to defeat Dr. Strange just by using geometry in the mirror dimension.

[@luiousy7329]

In MOM it shows mirror dimension can be used for offensive purposes. So Strange could literally crushed Peter into infinite number of building full of mirror shards inside. He just chose not to

[@theforbiddenone2926]

@@luiousy7329 why would strange want to murder spiderman..? Thats gonna get him executed, like the strange in the universe with mr fantastic. Strange was only mildly annoyed here, he's not being serious, and even if he was, he's not a murderer. Yet anyway lol

[@Sonicthefirst]

With plot armor and lazy writing ofc

[@mkfitzge6354]

I remember seeing this in theaters and just being like, "yes. So yes."

[@ArmoredG]

0:25 the astral spirit dimension is way faster than the real time, but how did doctor strange match the time speed of astral dimension 2:00 doctor strange actually used his necklace

[@ahmetkurum4114]

Yeah, he was literally going at lightning speed as we saw in the first Dr. Strange movie. It's low-key universe breaking because if Spider-Man can dodge something that quick, basically there should be nothing else he can't dodge. Especially a 60 year-old in a green elf costume.

[@Barely_Edited]

@@ahmetkurum4114 we’ve already seen the astral split be less consistent than that The fight in the hospital, hulk and the ancient one Actually didn’t we only see the super slow-mo once?

[@Tom-oz7wk]

He couldn't have been using the necklace for time manipulation because the time stone was destroyed. In fact, I don't really know what function the eye of agamotto has now

[@ahmetkurum4114]

@@Tom-oz7wk It's bling for bitchin' wizards.

[@TehSovereign]

@@Barely_Edited if i'm remembering correctly it's only when he joins the Ancient One in her last moments? Who knows what other shit she did to try and extend her final moment to give words of wisdom to Strange... Or maybe it's just a normal human thing that the brain slows down the perception of time just before death? (i have not yet died so cannot confirm nor deny) Honestly i'm of the opinion that theres more evidence the Astral Plane operates at normal speed (give or take) and that in the Ancient Ones last moment there were a lot of other factors that slowed time down to a crawl

[@tonyrobinson1088]

2:55 Spider-Man trying to kick the cloak 😂

[@joelmole3157]

I love that on top of all the awesome Spider-Man stuff, we get a pretty sick Doctor Strange movie for 5 minutes!

[@skylarstorm8382]

i keep laughing. " that might be the coolest thing that ever happened to me but dont do that again" HELPP LMAO

[@mob6804]

Are you still laughing?

[@Sonicthefirst]

Ah yes, add a joke and stop the movie for a bit to tell joke, Stan Lee would be so proud, but hey they done that before so…

[@noelwass4738]

These movie clips definitely make me want to see the movie.

[@1Dodgy]

The movie was amazing

[@scrubology]

It's been out for half a year, how have you not seen it yet lol

[@noelwass4738]

@@scrubology I guess watching movies on KZbin and not actually seeing them at the movie theatres. Marvel movies are great.

[@watchforever1724]

@@scrubology yeah I know

[@watchforever1724]

@@noelwass4738 this was probably one of the few movies where you could see at the theater

[@bacon154]

2:46 pov: you’re playing portal for the first time

[@KennethYG]

Peter: I am sorry but this is my movie🤣

[@Brainfocus81]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@watchforever1724]

Yeah I know

[@sonicsubjunkie]

"You know what's cooler than magic?? Math!" Tony would be proud.

[@Amazing-dx6sp]

2:24 This scene showcases how perfect superhero spiderman is as he reconsiders sending the villains home in different way because of his no kill rule. Compare this to other heroes which never reconsiders the choices of terminating their villains,this is why they appear as one dimensional in the MCU.

[@kaicreech7336]

After watching Doctor Strange 2, I really appreciate that he specifically says that the mirror dimension is where he has _control._

[@unicorn69]

When did he go to the mirror dimension in Doctor Strange 2? Of course, I haven’t watch it in a while but I’m just curious

[@kaicreech7336]

@@unicorn69 he did once or twice, but I actually appreciate it because the whole movie is about his need for control.

[@innocent.sprinter_78]

​@@kaicreech7336 । भूbbye etmpelfvi भf

[@Thexxidoxx]

1:53 That look of "I'm so done with this shit" on Strange's face

[@pek5117]

Dr Strange could bargain with a God but he's never tried a teenager before!

[@Kanzen0]

i love doctor strange so much- it's my favourite marvel character

[@rezaartz201]

"You know what's better than magic?, Math" my favourite word from the whole movie

[@Datas102]

Tất cả là tại Sì Pai Đờ Men ! ĐÒI Lại công bằng cho Sakura !!!!

[@an-rua5847]

kkk anh hài vãi

[@vinhhuynhnguyenduc3475]

Helloooooooooooo

[@c351xuanvi9]

đây r kkk

[@ChartreuxLe]

Tata cả tại sì pai đờ man

[@errorbg3437]

Tất cả tại Spider-Man

[@atlasguytinyproductions55]

The only reason I love this scene is that it shows how strong his Spider-Sense is.

[@patriot459]

This feels like it jumped from a comic into the movies and that how the mcu needs to feel honestly. These characters are so accurate to thier comic characters but also have the added details and motivations from the mcu and it works perfectly. I’m so happy this fight delivered.

[@atklm1]

MCU Strange is... different. Classic Strange would never lose against Spiderman.

[@dasik84]

False. It only depends on whose comics it is. This is a Spider-Man's movie, he had to win.

[@atklm1]

@@dasik84 Who replies "False."? Someone who passes math class with flying colors, but failed the Turing test? 😄

[@dasik84]

@@atklm1 You can bet I would successfully convince you I'm not a robot if I wanted. 😂

[@atklm1]

@@dasik84 I'll take your word for it. See, you already fooled me, AI. Or did you? 🤔😄 But yeah, I didn't even thought about it that way, but now that you pointed it out, it seems.. embarrassingly obvious why he bested someone like Strange 😅

[@jmoneyytv3891]

This goes to show how Smart Peter truly is he was able to counterpart Stranges tactics with physics 😭

[@AR_KILLER-tf5te]

It would be cool if we saw a sequel to this showing the Spider-Verse in live action.

[@jhon.e4437]

I like this fight, the fact that Strange found out his spidey sense is almost impossible to control so no magic tricks and just went straight sending Peter to dimensions that greatly messes his senses only for Peter to realize he can counter it with math calculations. It's like two Tonys learning but in a very fast pace and not requiring another movie to show they learnt from their mistakes. 🤣

[@CriticalComplainer]

Doctor Strange in this movie: IQ shifts between 150 and 100. Doctor Strange in Multiverse of Madness: Consistent IQ of 80.

[@Tumbleflop]

I love how you can actually see peter's spidey sense when he's in astral form

[@KillerTacos54]

The animation team did such a freaking goo job man

[@jadedj5385]

I can imagine a Dr.Strange sequel where he's like "If I have to fight another Avenger......!"

[@klayer3748]

Bro lost on his own domain expansion 💀💀

[@elizabethmenjivar1695]

Say what you want about No Way Home, but I appreciate how much effort went into making sure Dr. Strange stayed, well, Dr. strange. You would think the movie would sideline him since he's not the main character, but they find an organic way for him to set the plot into motion (setting up the spell), and they find a way to nudge him out of the picture (ie, the mirror dimension). Sure, he has full mastery over the mirror dimension, but without his sling ring, he can't escape it. It was smart for him to stop Peter by transporting him into the mirror dimension. I did think it was unwise and a bit out of character of Dr. Strange to cast the spell to help out Peter. Maybe have Dr. Strange say that this whole situation with Spider-man being Peter Parker has upset the balance of Earth. Remember, Earth is still trying to recover from people returning from the blip. The last thing everybody needs is to worry about Peter being Spider-Man. So I guess it would make logical sense if Dr. Strange did the spell only to return the world to a more steady path. I don't know, that's just my point of view on how things should have gone.

[@tek512]

Dr. Strange doesn't need the slinging ring. Moreover, just about any situation in which a non-depowered version of Dr. Strange loses to Spider-Man is just... weird.

[@Tom-oz7wk]

I completely forgot about the fallout of the blip. I just assume it was nothing more than sympathy for Parker because they both lost Tony stark. But considering how weird it is that strange would endanger reality by casting the spell, it makes sense that he would have an ulterior motive like clearing some of the chaos in society following the blip Edit: welp I added absolutely nothing new by replying but yeah it's good that strange had such a prominent role. He's one of my favourite characters since watching what if and this film gave him so many great moments as a funny character and as an incredible sorcerer Also, how did ned bring strange back? You need a sling ring to leave the mirror dimension but I don't think ned could open a portal to the mirror dimension

[@elizabethmenjivar1695]

@@Tom-oz7wk Ned wasn't thinking clearly when using the Sling Ring. In order to use it to its full potential, you need to envision where you want to go to. Ned was being chased by the lizard, leaving him to open a portal to an ocean, leading it to sweep him away. Ned then tried to use the Sling Ring again, but ended up summoning Dr. Strange. I don't know the exact details as to accessing the mirror dimension, but if you need the sling ring to leave the mirror dimension, then I'm pretty sure you can go there as long as you envision it strong enough. If you look in the background of Dr. Strange, he seems to be walking out of a desert at nighttime? Yeah, the magic system can be a bit wacky in the MCU. This is just my attempt at answering your question. Side note: I don't like how he was handled in Multiverse of Madness. And that's sad since No Way Home seemed to be a more faithful adaption of Dr. Strange, even though he wasn't the main character. The writer for the second installment was more interested in furthering the overall plot of the multiverse (ie show Loki) and for some continuing Wanda's story (in Wandavision). No Way Home treated Dr. Strange with just enough care and thought that it didn't make me question why he was in the movie. Whereas in the second installment, I questioned his very existence in being in the movie since Wong was supposedly the sorcerer supreme (why he was sorcerer supreme, I honestly don't know). Sorry, I went on a tangent just then. Its just sad to see how the MCU is slowly falling apart because of bad storytelling. I rate No Way home a strong 8/10. Whereas I rate Multiverse of Madness a very weak 2/10.

[@Tom-oz7wk]

@@elizabethmenjivar1695 thank you for trying to answer my ned question. Magic in the mcu is weird like how doc and the ancient one can experience time different in their astral forms yet doc can talk to Peter in real time when only the latter has had his astral form removed from his body I hate to admit it but I gotta agree about multiverse of madness. I did enjoy the film but I think that was just the magic of seeing it in cinema. Nwh definitely gives strange a ton of memorable moments whereas mom kinda has him viewing what's going on but not really helping out all that much. Making wong sorcerer supreme was silly (he's only sorcerer supreme because strange blipped for five years) because he was weak and willing to endanger the multiverse because wanda was torturing like 4 people. And of course america chavez had to be the one to stop Wanda which meant all strange had to do was tell her that whole cliche "the power was in you all along". I never realised just how badly strange was treated by the writers. At least he got that cool music battle with sinister strange

[@superjackster0165]

I was really surprised by how Doctor Strange was really sidelined in this film. I know this is a Spider-Man film and all. But the marketing made it seem like Strange was gonna have a much larger role in the film

[@mcdonalds5972]

2:43 Keanu Reeves when I try to steal his charisma

[@akka8588]

Am I the only one who thought that part at 1:49 was hilarious when Peter got hit by that train because of the sound that it made when it hit him 😂?

[@derpdude32]

As powerful as Peter is, he should not have been able to last any more than five minutes against Dr Strange, maybe even less

[@andreinamonsalve7273]

Dr strange wasn't serious only trying to obtain the box