Peter Wagner "Arise & Shine" Spirit Fall

[@PepinArmandOkotto]

i Will be thankful if someone could explain me the definition of apostle. He is reading from the epistle of Paul to define or to sustain his point of view. How to separate the cornerstone and the foundation? Of course God ist the One changing the time and season. Is there an new Foundation other than what the apostle have been teaching? is there a another wine than the outpouring of the Holy Gosht? John 17:20 I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in me Though their word; 26 I have declared them to them Your name. Acts 2:42 And the continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship..... An apostle to remplace Judas Acts 1 21 therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection? hmmm

[@mackenzieseo225]

+Pepin Armand Okotto Peter Wagner is satanic. See the video he endorsed Todd Bentley.

[@defftony]

To separate the cornerstone and foundation, you need to look at the shape of the building. Zechariah 4:7 is an example of the cornerstone being the specific type of capstone. Matthew 21:44 helps confirm that this is the type of stone JESUS is. A capstone is a chief cornerstone that holds the building together and is placed on the top of the building, which is a pyramid structure. Contrary to popular believe, it's not just Mayans and Egyptians that had pyramids. The term Apostle came from the Romans and referred to the ship and ships captain who came to teach conquered lands the ways of the Roman Kingdom (as opposed to regional government, in this analogy the governor could be compared to a pastor. The Romans couldn't govern and effectively utilize conquered peoples without first bringing them into the ways of the Romans.). So while the governor rules over the people, the Military Officer called Apostle sets them in order. Of course Rome wasn't a GOD fearing people, but JESUS used their word because of the picture it painted. As far as the question about a new foundation, I believe my first paragraph addresses it, in that the capstone is the chief stone but not the foundation. As far as the wine and the outpouring of THE HOLY SPIRIT, there is one SPIRIT but many gifts. One Body but many parts. 1 Corinthians 12 . In Matthew 9:14-17, where new wine is talked about, You have JESUS answering the question about why John's disciples fast and HIS don't. In HIS answer HE also points out that it will change again. Because HE spoke in a parable, HE had to be speaking of principles and answering beyond the specific question of John's disciples. I'm not sure what the question in the last paragraph is. Succession and following in the Spirit of a leader is crucial to any ministry role, including JESUS himself who insisted John baptize HIM.

[@keith3362]

The apostles laid the foundation, which is Jesus Christ. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 3:11, NKJV) Jesus/the gospel is the foundation, not apostles and prophets, and certainly not the people calling themselves this in present day.

[@elishalandu]

The Apostles and Prophets are NOT the foundation of the church! The church is build on the WORDS of the apostles and prophets concerning Jesus. Matthew 16 is clear in saying that Christ build HIS church on the words and revelation that Jesus is The Christ, The Son of God. Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:10 tells the corinthians that he laid the foundation according to the grace given to him. That foundation was Christ, and no man can put another foundation. We all build either houses filled with costly objects, or houses filled with straw etc. But the house in build on Christ THE FOUNDATION!

[@dianawilliams6700]

I agree!! There is no other foundation laid, than what was laid. Regarding "authority" Christ said "he that desires to become great, let him be servant of all". I believe apostles prophets and evangelists gifting is very similar and none of them are "ruling over" gifts. This movement will go off the rails with the emphasis departing from servanthood. Also, the only "New Wine and Wineskins" is the Holy Spirit (New Wine) given through Christ in His New Covenant (Wine skin). The old wine and wine skin was the old covenant system and priesthood. There are no other wine and wine skins after that, only revivals of truths already revealed.