Humanoid Robots, the Job Market & Mass Automation - The Current State of AI w/ Emad Mostaque | EP114

[@gubzs]

Of all possible reasons, getting excited about AI because it will drive business profitability is deeply weird and disturbing. We're building AI to free people to do things they find fulfilling. This might come as a shock as a CEO because you get lied to on a second by second basis by the people who have no choice but to please you, but most people don't like having a job, they just like being busy and having a positive impact on the world. The future we're heading toward is one where automation handles tedious work so we don't have to, not one where we work the same amount of time and just produce more. Your mind is not in the right place, and if that doesn't make you introspective, read it again until it does.

[@MrSeadawg123]

Uh it has nothing to do with the desire to keep busy. As that is what most jobs are anyway. Just busy work. And few could care less about having a positive impact. As it is the fear of an economic death. That keeps people beating their feet to eat. Right now in the world. The US is 4% of worlds population. Yet consumes 20% of worlds energy. You literally can not have the rest of the world living as we live. Without fighting over resources.

[@opris_music]

Preach!!!!

[@therainman7777]

Your post shows you lack even a basic understanding of economics. Saying that AI will improve profitability and help automate the economy means that, if successful, it will do precisely what you mentioned: free more people up to do what they actually want. You’re conflating “improving profitability” with “spending more time working,” when the exact opposite is true in this case.

[@gubzs]

@@therainman7777 "Improved profitability and automating parts of the economy will automatically give us our lives back" - You just described the information age, a few decades during which exactly none of us got our lives back. The people in power drove that prosperity into skyrocketing company equity instead - rather than letting people live their lives, we moved the economic goalposts. People must now know how to use those tools, and apply them to be much more productive, to create more wealth for their employer. Instead of saying, "you only need to produce 100 product to live your life", the wealthy class said, "now you can produce 200 product in the same amount of time, so you must produce 200 product, and then you can live your life" and then that extra wealth created the billion and now trillion dollar companies that are worth more than many nations today. In fact, that discrepancy between wealth for the rest of us and wealth created for the equity holding class can be visualized with real inflation - the price change on hard assets like homes, and gold, which conveniently are both up 300-500% in dollar terms since 2000, while inflation is described as "only 3% per year" for us normal folk. Yeah right. Would wager I understand economics better than you. And by a lot, it would seem.

[@Jeremy-Ai]

I am Agreeing mostly. Busy. As you suggested I will have to read again. The “tone is good” from my limited perspective. Thank you for sharing a message of hope. Understood that there is an * Take care Please continue. Jeremy

[@Remigio986]

00:05 AI's rapid acceleration poses existential threat 02:17 AI explosion and the transformative impact on humanity 06:34 The early stages of AI technology amplify and accelerate capabilities. 08:41 Impact of advanced AI on job market 12:55 AI models have evolved to process millions of words and show human-like understanding. 15:03 Impact of AI on job market 18:59 Embrace technology for creating more value in jobs 20:50 Embrace AI technology to stay ahead in business 24:33 Impact of AI technology on society 26:20 Access to powerful AI technology is now available for free to anyone with a smartphone 30:25 AI integration in healthcare is improving average doctor's capabilities 32:22 AI integration in medical field crucial for accuracy and safety 36:19 Humanoid robots with autonomous control and autoaggressive learning can revolutionize the job market. 38:09 Potential impact of mass automation on job market. 41:49 AI can help humans achieve flow state for enhanced creativity 43:36 AI models can break you out of predetermined mindsets 47:23 AI disrupting ad industry 49:18 AI models are evolving to be instinctive and empathic 53:15 Increasing trust in robots due to empathy and endless patience 55:14 Impact of AI companions on our inner circle 59:07 The technology has reached a level of performance where further improvement may not matter. 1:00:56 AI is not versus Humans but Humans plus AI 1:04:48 Understanding AI capabilities can dramatically increase efficiency. 1:06:37 Customized AI feeds can improve quality of time 1:10:33 AI can increase transparency and trust in governments 1:12:31 AI disruption challenges governments and corporations 1:16:32 AI's persuasive capabilities in elections 1:18:24 Personalized hyper-personalization and its impact on various aspects of life 1:22:17 Promoting open infrastructure for AI development and usage. 1:24:06 Importance of open infrastructure for industry by industry and standards 1:27:45 Importance of open source technology in driving innovation and reimagining various sectors. 1:29:29 Viome's AI technology provides personalized health insights 1:33:23 Transition to a post-capitalist society leads to need for rethinking economic structures 1:35:18 Job market challenges due to mass automation and AI 1:39:21 Impact of decreasing birth rate on automated labor and energy production 1:41:21 Future robots require energy and computation for operation. 1:45:23 The energy efficiency and scale of computation needed for AGI 1:47:16 China's advantage in data and compute over the US 1:50:53 Importance of diverse data for AI safety and alignment 1:52:51 Building collective intelligence through AI for societal advancement 1:56:43 AI technology adoption in highly regulated industries and businesses with pricing power 1:58:41 Expanding AI impact on global economy 2:02:18 Imad's paper on how to think about AI is powerful and compelling.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

I had Claude 3.5 make me an app in python for both mobile and pc for a TTRPG system I design. It has items, materials, prices, enemy stat blocks, and even encounter generators and tracking. It took me 4-5 hours going back and forth with Claude to make it based on my specifications, and I didn't even direct it in any way with my programing knowledge and experience. It would have taken me at least 1 month to make it on my own with all the little details it has. I will even include a character sheet at some point after I iron out a few more gameplay mechanics. The point of this is that I am no longer needed as a python developer.

[@snowflakemelter7171]

That's pretty cool. Now imagine if you use your programming experience /knowledge to improve it. The average person would have no idea how to even go about making a similar application.

[@winkletter]

Your character has retrieved the Halberd of A.I. which adds +6 to all base stats and saving throws and grants Parallel Processing level IIV.

[@VastCNC]

The key here is that you already know the mechanics and language in which you are interacting. You are now the project manager that you wish you had.

[@MatthewCleere]

​@@VastCNC For about 2 years max, until AI levels up and leaves you sitting back at Breeze House eating a cheese wheel.

[@MatthewCleere]

I have done something similar with Claude, and can confirm your experience. It is amazing. Bye bye programmer jobs. Hello employers who expect an INSANE amount of output, for less salary, because competition for jobs will drive down pay. Yay!

[@nealwilliams5680]

"we will be able to end poverty" we as a species could do that now but choose not to, how will it be any different?

[@kylefrancis3906]

Someone will find a way

[@illlDCllli]

We continue to raise the floor

[@hatebreeder999]

It will be more like we will be able to increase poverty. Finally ruling class will be able to exert complete control over masses

[@fiatnomo2874]

Exactly.

[@Low_commotion]

No we can't. Take all the wealth of every billionaire & divide by the global population. Total wealth in the world still needs to at least 5x to give everyone an American plumber's avg income/quality of life. We are still too poor as a globe to fully end poverty, in the sense of giving everyone a developed-country QoL.

[@wisdomandy9361]

I don't think 2025 it'll change much but potentially 2027-2030 things could change in ways 99% don't think is possible.

[@Tek_Nik_Hatchi]

Care to offer reasons to your thinking?

[@rodi4850]

you're understimating political friction, energy constraints, computational constraints and AGI development. No chance it will happen in 2030.

[@wisdomandy9361]

@@Tek_Nik_Hatchi Ever heard of this person named Elon? It wouldn't cost that much to create the energy or frankly the compute necessary. You underestimate AI and robotics and the advancements that have happened. And it's good Elon is spearheading this because he's the only one who can scale manufacturing for any of this any time soon unless someone else comes onto the scene.

[@wisdomandy9361]

@@rodi4850 it'll happen if the US or world economy survived the next year or two. Otherwise yeah, we won't.

[@user-eo1nt2xs6b]

@@rodi4850you can’t really control AI growth once it starts, it starts

[@suzieleach6036]

Despite being an ageing luddite, I love your work guys. Trying to keep as informed as I can.

[@markgallagher9691]

Emad you are a rock star I can trust. What a talent!! Thanks Peter for your inspiring values.

[@vvolfflovv]

Emad makes things very easy to comprehend.

[@JohnCorrUK]

What a fascinating YT video - such a privilege to listen to.

[@KaracterOfficial]

But what happens when entry level jobs are replaced and even some jobs that required college degrees? A universal basic income will be needed at some point, but the question is how long will the government allow people to suffer in extreme poverty and homelessness before they make the switch. Will the stock market crash first? What about the economy? This creates issues as well though. The first is, how much money do you make the UBI? Too little will result in people feeling trapped in a world where they can’t grow to make more (which could have backlash), but too much could result in people leaving jobs to get on UBI. The trajectory would imply that at some point 95% or more jobs would be automated. However, given the current issues of control and power in the government I wouldn’t be surprised if this universal income would be used against the people to keep them under their ruling thumb. This means while we may have more “free time”, we may not have as much “free” time. Our current government will make more laws and regulations and enforce them to a higher degree than ever before. Not to mention Cyber attacks are still a very real threat. What about EMP’s from other countries? Being set back to the Stone Age after most working class hasn’t worked a day in their lives might be problematic to our survival in the long run. Slippery slope. But yes, I know a utopia is still possible and that’s what I’m hoping for.

[@NcowAloverZI]

The most important thing imo is automating most government bureaucracy first so there’s no one “giving out” ubi, as its an automated process

[@hussammoh3791]

A lot of people are about technology and AI but few who come out with useful products

[@francisco444]

Thank you Peter for the great podcast

[@pascalxus]

if you're waiting for everyone to live like kings due to the AI shift, you're gonna be waiting a very loooonnnng time. the material standard of living peaked in 98 and it's been going down ever since then, and will just continue to see that even more.

[@sebastiangraham001]

Yeah this will be for the rich

[@Childof_thecosmos]

I am so excited for AI and the future!

[@Zizos]

Not with the corruption going on... We'll be lucky if we have any freedom left.

[@preciouspets8m396]

So am I.

[@Real-Name..Maqavoy]

Have yet to find any *real* evidence on LLM being worth it. Especially when its getting dumber & more Energy demanding. Stack overflow anyday

[@gilgamesh.....]

There will be different kinds of jobs, yes. But no matter what, there's not going to be a need for the current amount of jobs. The number of humans we have now just won't be necessary.

[@trevor6607]

Agree

[@WackyGameEngineer]

We need the humans for consum

[@raymond_luxury_yacht]

Hence safe and effective jabbles

[@janwienecke1473]

How about we let robots do the work we don't wanna do and let humans enjoy life and work on whatever they want, if they feel like it?

[@gilgamesh.....]

@@WackyGameEngineer How are people without a job going to consume?

[@nw9353]

Think about what you need to live. Food: Robots to tend a garden and livestock on a personal farm. Energy: Solar, wind. Stuff: 3d printing. When you look at it this way. Your need for money goes down considerably.

[@thatsjohnnyt6480]

But who will own those robots? The problem is the control it can have on an already gripped planet

[@nw9353]

@@thatsjohnnyt6480 This is why open source is so very important. It will keep cost down and make it more difficult for any one company or person to hold a monopoly. Keep an eye out for cheaters like open AI that is not really that open.

[@MyAnalyser]

​@thatsjohnnyt6480 I think it is really hard for us to undestand what post-labor economics look like just like it was impossible for people in the 1940s and 1950s to imagine what the digital age of knowledge work and the internet would look like.

[@PazLeBon]

nobody even makes them uness they get power, money or control.. simple as that and think about that

[@TheRealSnakePlisken]

These AI visionaries ALWAYS underestimate the energy needed to run AI. There is no free lunch. Human civilization is a heat engine that produces higher levels of entropy as it operates/expands. In case you haven't noticed, we live on a finite planet. AI will only accelerate the use of available energy [already 3% of US power] resources. AI will not pay for itself through efficiency gains - there is no free lunch [2nd law of thermodynamics]. And renewables [solar, hydro, wind, geo] are not "renewable" if they need fossil fuels to manufacture [glass, steel, concreet, etc.]. Do the math.

[@elstamatakos1709]

Great discussion Peter!

[@craigington73]

Two great minds in conversation ...this is what the internet is for!

[@Warley.Araujo]

fuck yeah

[@PotatoHero-d1z]

Emad is a full of it. Pleb level knowledge gas lighitng diamandis with poonjabbi ego

[@LutherAndIsla]

​@@PotatoHero-d1z yeah that's how he was able to create Stability AI. 😂

[@PazLeBon]

@@LutherAndIsla its just software to me still, they imply these things think but they do not so its a lot of bs hyperbole

[@LutherAndIsla]

@@PazLeBon I think it's irrelevant whether the Ais think or not, what's important is what they do in response to prompts.

[@themeek351]

We don't need more intelligence in the world, we need more wisdom, morality and ethics! Can A.I. give us that? No!

[@Jack-hv3uj]

No but the CIA. Can('nt)

[@beekneed]

Exactly 😔

[@timbartlett4898]

If there’s a possibility of ridding these grifting politicians then I’m in

[@SeiroosFardipour-sy3sh]

Wisdom is beautiful concept but the fact that for thousand years we were not capable to realize it in large scale shows evidently that we have failed till now untill we know why .

[@blindmonkey5886]

Of course it can. It's going to be a billion times smarter than you. In all possible ways. Sorry. It's over.

[@AnthonyMatthew-dp8qh]

Fantastic video🔥🔥! I have incurred so much losses trading on my own....I trade well on demo but I think the real market is manipulated.... Can anyone help me out or at least tell me what I'm doing wrong??

[@FrancisAllen-uc4gm]

Same here, My portfolio has been going down the drain while I try trading,l just don't know what I do wrong. .

[@IslaMia-k7t]

Trading with an expert is the best strategy for beginners and busy investor's who have little or no time to monitor their trades.

[@JaniceVickie]

I think l'm blessed if not I have met someone who is as spectacular as expert mrs Janet.. Highly recommended🙌

[@Levicurtis224]

Wow, I'm surprised to see Janet mentioned here as well. I didn't know she had been kind to so many people

[@MildredEvelyn-mu6jg]

​I'm also a huge beneficiary of her.. I thought myself and my family were the only ones enjoying Janet trade benefits

[@tonyhill2318]

The vast majority of today's jobs existed 30 and even 50 years ago.

[@TerenceKearns]

I didn't think I'd actually make it through the 2 hours of this, but Emad is a very interesting dude.

[@vitalityinbound3151]

thanks for the value here!

[@CaroleBaskin]

I really enjoy your conversations with Emad. He's so smart but doesn't feel compelled to talk over you just because his mind may be racing ahead of a question.

[@pondeify]

always great to listen to Emad - thanks Peter

[@PsyRes]

Emad's great. He's gonna continue to do great work. Looks like he drinks coffee, too. You can tell by the shine. 👍 Good luck in your future endeavors, Emad. Looking forward to your contributions to clean AI.

[@thannon72]

The man is full of it.

[@PawanKumar-eq8yi]

Conversation is super good. Thank you for answering common questions and dilemma I had about AI's present form and future one.

[@drewku42]

Two very incredible individuals and some awesome talking points in this video. But no chance of absolute automation in the next 5 or even 10 years

[@MMTheWGA]

Have been watching a few Impact of AI videos and this has been a real eye opener giving me a lot to think about and will definitely be checking out Emad’s paper and revisiting this again. Thank you Peter and Emad for sharing your views 🙏

[@tsleepr8898]

Will your personal agent be "yours only" or will it be reporting back your data

[@frankparkinson3646]

End of "Death and Taxes?" Please......🙏🏼

[@innosanto]

Is not the only change

[@vivekkarumudi]

definitely yes for end of taxes but not sure about death

[@dogechrist]

Death ended with Christ. And now the fruits of Christian civilization will end undesirable work and taxes. 🎉❤

[@STLT]

The greed of the Left will never allow the end of taxes.

[@donrayjay]

This is incredibly dangerous. I can’t understand why this isn’t the sole focus of attention. A smarter, stronger robot in the same room as us is like sharing the space with a lion or a crocodile, but worse. Why are these people not worried about this?

[@Rflows100]

Because they have been given over to a reprobate mind as written in the Word. This reprobate mind is a devourer of generations as known by its end results such as war or better known in its raw terms 'destruction'. Why? Because such have rejected the Truth in return for the Lie who seeks to convince man that he is as a god, and that he needs no other higher being, for man itself he says is the higher being. However the Lie himself knows that such isn't true, but if he can get them to believe in this Lie then he can steal their birthright right from under them. Thus what you witness in this video is just that, the man being interviewed has been clearly coerced into propagating further robbery of man's birth right to the point where it has been transfered over to a machine, and so man who is the creditor to the Lie is attemptably subtracted from the equation, where now the Lie reigns supreme. However breathe easy for it is not so, as The Most High who we know as King Jesus will come to set His domain above such an abomination for it is only He who reigns supreme, and thus it will be known as in illusion whose sediments flow as liquid molten in the lake of fire and brimstone. So in all this it is key that you give glory unto the rightful source of who is The Creator, King Jesus, and not be fooled into thinking man supercedes His authority by exclaiming that 'man is god'

[@apocryphalshepherd]

If you haven't already, you should watch the Ted talks on AI with Nick Bostrom and Sam Harris. They are from 2015 and 2016, if I remember correctly, but they're still very relevant and very concise.

[@sebastiangraham001]

Everyone is just accepting it lol ive seen so many younger people excited for it. It just is what it is at this point

[@laureenflynn]

Informative and engaging...so appreciate the opportunity to listen

[@brianlebreton7011]

Great conversation! Thank you. Very enlightening.

[@misternobody3543]

Nothing is free! The simple fact that people are using AI apps, is our payment. AI is the one, who is NOT paying for our DATA.

[@MatthewCleere]

This is exactly right. AI is like a vampire sitting back at his mansion drinking blood out of a tap. That tap is fed by a billion tube tentacles that reach out across the world, the other ends stabbed into our human necks, sucking out our life giving blood.

[@innosanto]

We pay with data it pays with service but we also pay with subscriptions and to use it.

[@innosanto]

But you are right since data is a resource with value

[@joshwong800]

- I'll throw a party the day advertising is gone and all we need is public service announcements for things that truly matter. - Sure everyone can be a business owner, but that begs the question, do we need or want billions of businesses all trying to outcompete one another?

[@ThomasTomiczek]

This is the core problem - empowering everyone is depowering everyone. At the end, AI will compete in conglomerates with each other. The idea that anyone can take an AI and build a business - not going to happen.

[@andybaldman]

Exactly empowering everyone mainly benefits the people at the top of power structures. We all just end up working harder and faster, for no additional benefit.

[@PazLeBon]

@@andybaldman more likley not working and recieiving digital money per month if you are on perfect behavior

[@MatthewCleere]

Taco Bell will win the "War of the restaurants". There can only be one! And we will wipe our butts with 3 sea shells.

[@MatthewCleere]

​@@andybaldman Eli Whitney thought the cotton gin would hasten the end of slavery.

[@EricCooleric]

can’t wait to see how Aliagents evolves, this project has serious potential in the AI space

[@jcpflier6703]

One of my favorite people (Emad) speaking on this topic. Love it. 2hrs is not enough for me. 🙏🙌👏. Great show Peter!

[@CelestialWoodway]

Gay

[@trevor6607]

​@CelestialWoodway go do your homework before I tell your mother you are on KZbin again kiddo

[@jcpflier6703]

@@CelestialWoodway - As in happy, yes. Whats not to love about Emad and hearing him speak on these topics. Dont come on here to troll folks simply because they are showing the show some love. Obviously you enjoy Emad as well.

[@therainman7777]

@@jcpflier6703I mean I enjoyed the talk and all, but Emad did crash and burn in pretty spectacular fashion in running his own company. So I take his predictions and prescriptions with a bit of a grain of salt.

[@toddwigger2382]

where in video is render network mentioned?

[@JeremyPickett]

Sorry for so many comments, listening and working. Emad, the concept, "which side is the AI on' is something *I really, really* stuggle with. When i ask it yo do something or regenerate something, i have to work past my initial, "i shouldny bother it" or "what if it makes it upset?" Which is Insane on my part! Claude is on my side, as is 4.o, Gemini, DALL E, all of em. This is going to be an absolute breakthrough. Now, dont be mean to your model, but a busy model is a happy model 🙃

[@JeremyPickett]

"Don't think of it as the expert, but the graduate." BOOM, Emad *nails* it. Two years ago, to write a good technical paper, it took 2-3 long days. Research, reading, writing, fixing, editing, consistency, all that. One year ago I was writing 2-3 papers a day. 14 hour days, a little screaming, bottles of caffeine. Today? Well, still 14 hour days and caffeine. But 12-14 papers a day (in a subject I have twenty years of experience in, mind you). Higher quality. Won't win a novel prize, but if I halved my output and doubled my creativity, there absolutely could be one or two patentable ideas per day. As a centaur, there is no comparison. No single human on their own could produce what I am producing, and to be blunt, I'm only *slightly*, ever so slightly above average. Not by much at all. The next 18 months is going to torch my brain.

[@gfan003]

Remember one thing, Energy shortage. AI, robots and automated assembly line all need great amount of energy. This next technology evolution is not for everyone, only those can afford the huge energy infrastructure can move on.

[@ThomasTomiczek]

Funny enough THAT is being solved too. Not by green idiots - but by people like Helion. Check thaem out.

[@oliveeisner8964]

The BIG LIE will be that we need MORE ELECTRICITY. This simply isn't true, but it will be in the hezdlines, the military run newspapers and TV and idiots will believe it. Watch. In America, people are so far behind, they'll support anything that their personal political side offers up aa a "solution." It won't be necessary, but they will be told it is. And instead of asking questions and demanding proof they'll believe it. Only a particular path requires all that dirty electricity grid. A dark one.

[@esdeath89]

​@@ThomasTomiczekWe have nothing better than coal and oil/gas. Only nuclear and green idiots don't understand that there is nothing better than coal and oli/gas for environment, economy and society. We should ban green and nuclear energy.

[@nw9353]

Look at all of the space a typical factory waste. Parking lot, roof top, loading areas etc. If those area were covered by solar and wind generation it would give a surplus in energy. At the least dramatically cut the power needed. Do not believe the BS from fossil fuels.

[@maxthelionxmax9220]

@@ThomasTomiczekcool check out fbr robotics who will solve the housing crisis. The haydrian x is much better than 3d printing and DST has many applications not just building houses

[@patrickwal55]

fascinating thought-provoking, outstanding. Thank you both so much.

[@antoniobortoni]

I remember Peter saying will be illegal for doctors to work without IA and make sense but now is why go to a doctor if I have a IA free doctor that's is really good, and free IA logic tools that have a vision soon... but the multimodal IA models are way better because they have more context, more ability, logic, loop and you can solve anything, its super crazy, next is a anything model input output that can control any robot, a car, robot humanoid robots, software evolution self evolution is crazy.

[@ronschaefermd]

Its the centaur effect. A doctor with an AI doctor is going to do a much better job than a non doctor with an AI doctor. Just like artist can make much better AI pictures than non-artists

[@oliveeisner8964]

​@ronschaefermd wrong. It's an illusion. People are too easily impressed and cowed by what is shiny and new. The most beautiful art was createc by grinding up minerals and using what the earth provided naturally. Certain shades of blue come to mind. From nature. Not digital imagery. God save us from limited thinking. 🙏

[@esdeath89]

I think in the future people will no longer go to college to become doctor. There will be free medicine for everyone... at least in Europe and China, it will make old people caring more easy and then people will worry less about whay they will do in retirement age.

[@LutherAndIsla]

​​​@@ronschaefermdagreed. AI is going to be a game changer for medicine, especially General Practice. Doctors are not infallible, in fact a lot of older GPs are pretty hopeless. We will still need doctors, but when they are using a good domain specific AI their efficiency and accuracy of diagnosis will improve massively. And the AI will just keep getting better and better. The patients whose treatment is complex because of multiple comorbidities who will benefit the most.

[@ClintJohnsonWriter]

The intelligentsia has to remember that AI will replace pundits before plumbers. Further, “learn to code” doesn’t work when coders are being replaced faster than truck drivers.

[@LutherAndIsla]

I'm not a coder but I have saved myself $thousands in the last 12 months by using ChatGPT to modify JavaScript, php and regex in my Web sites that I would previously had to hire a coder to do. ChatGPT can teach me to code - it explains all the code it generates, but there's not really much point in me learning to code, because ChatGPT will always be better and faster than me. What I am learning though, is how to prompt ChatGPT more efficiently and what I can use it for. But it will be a long time before AI replaces my plumber 😂

[@CryptoRayGun]

And how many plumbers, builders roofers and trades people in general can our communities sustain. In NZ we have have had a shortage of trades people for many years. Now that we are deep in a recession and what appears to be a deflationary environment we have more tradespeople than there is work avaliable. Just food for thought!

[@יואלבלום]

@@CryptoRayGun Yep. Also, If I lose my programming job I ain't gonna be able to afford a plumber, I'll be unemployed and probably have time to fix my own shit (literally), and if I can't I'll call my handy programmer buddy who is also now unemployed. Every expense will have to be thought about very very carefully until I am able to re-skill (and even then - what will my new salary be as a schoolteacher or junior nurse?). This scenario of the middle class being destroyed in a span of 10 years will for sure hurt everyone, without government intervention it will cause an economic depression and completely twisted economy if a few thousand people holding all the wealth of society.

[@monkeyseemonkeydo432]

Oh thats where they are going to deploy these highest level robot surgeons in africa and india

[@MarkWether]

the progress Aliagents is making in AI is worth paying attention to, the future is bright

[@dattajack]

Regardless of whether you like Elon or not, you would be very foolish to bet against him at this point. I don't like him personally. The positioning of his enterprises are perfect to make Tesla the largest company in history by 2030. One of his other businesses will probably be the next largest company by 2040.

[@oliveeisner8964]

Who cares. The problem is us going along with hooking ourselves up to the super powerful electrical grid. Our bodies cannot handle it which is why they want to inject us. Metamaterials baby. Is that the future you want? If you don't have seizures and croak while they figure out this load balancing act. You're already tethered to the cloud. Isn't it great?;

[@thatsjohnnyt6480]

In comparison to google , black rock and let’s say Amazon, how do you compare the sizes in 2030?

[@adrianbutl]

I'll bet against elon.hes a racist fool that's gone off the deep end in the last few years.

[@PazLeBon]

He's clearly a populist and fantast and egotistical. People like him should be silenced

[@oliveeisner8964]

@@PazLeBon Populism swings both ways and is the closest you'll get to the voices of the actual people or the populace as it were. Only a fascist or authoritarian would desire to silence voices. Weird.

[@joyful-nachos]

26:52 Peter it's not free...we're the product. My company pays roughly $25/mth per seat for Gemini enterprise license (granted the cost is a fraction compared to traditional labor) but as far as the consumer models go, we are definitely the product at this stage.

[@yoyo-jc5qg]

we're literally going to become star trek and explore the galaxy, we're very close to solving and automating basic survival needs energy, food, water, shelter, 3d printed products... ai will make all that stuff free

[@oliveeisner8964]

No. But they'll tell you that and you'll believe it. THAT is only for the elite, see "Elysium." Now, of course that doesn't mean that the rest of us won't get there, but not on this Digital ID/Vaccine Passport globalist trajectory. These bonds must be thrown off for true evolution to occur through unity. Not tyranny which is the current plan.

[@alals6794]

haha....You are delusional....

[@apocryphalshepherd]

Maybe we'll all be living at the top of Maslow's hierarchy of needs within a decade or two (or three or four, lol).

[@clarkmain1438]

Keep up the good work Peter & Emad. ❤ Excellent content..😊

[@advaitc2554]

Great video and great conversation. You mentioned UBI. Much better than UBI is UBS (Universal Basic Services) including free socialized education, quality social housing, quality health care, dental care, elder care, day care, free public transportation, full pensions and a job guarantee for anyone with a good wage and full benefits. All paid for by the govt. How to pay for it all? If you understand MMT then you already know it can all be easily paid for by the national govt with no need to raise taxes because ..surprise!.. national taxes do not pay for national spending (all national spending is the creation of new currency out of thin air and by govt decree). If you don't know MMT then now is the time to learn. Then you'll know the truth of how money really works. The national govt is nothing like a household because only the national govt can issue the currency. The national debt exactly equals the private surplus. And there are well established ways to easily control inflation. MMT plus democratic eco socialism means a sustainable healthy planet where all humans thrive with a good, productive life. So it's democratic eco socialism or extinction; the choice is ours.

[@alan2102X]

Here here!

[@advaitc2554]

@@alan2102X A fellow democratic socialist? I bow to you. 😎😇 We'll train an AI on all of Marx's writings. 😁

[@Gabe007vasquez]

@@advaitc2554 you want CBDCs?

[@kelechisamuel2518]

Dear Peter, thanx for your effort in putting together this conversation. But can I suggest that you allow your guests to finish answering a question or sharing a thought before you interject with another question. Oftentimes, this particular guest was not quite done answering a question or sharing a thought before you interjected, and he never concludes on that thought. I hope you don't interpret this as a negative criticism. Once again, thank you for your great efforts. God bless.

[@greendatadialog]

Where do you get the material, water, energy and waste sites for all of these robots and their electrical infrastructure? On top of what already exists because until there's replacement, there will be addition. There's no way we have this boom without solving in parallel the ecological overshoot and energy shortage issue.

[@barryyoung]

Are you serious - we have loads of natural resources to build these. We have 1.5 Billion cars globally today using much more material than a humanoid robot.

[@scrout]

Unless those robots are fully designed and debugged as of today, none of them will be showing up in 2025, period.

[@ddgflorida]

This Emad fellow knew his stuff.

[@theepistemiccafe]

"Every year, it's the same story: 'Next year, EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE!' Remember how driverless cars were supposed to take over by 2020? Well, I’m still the one behind the wheel. Sure, these things will eventually happen, but here in Texas, it’s still business as usual. And don’t get me started on the AI KZbinrs-every week it's the same headline: 'HUGE CHANGES IN AI THIS WEEK!' Everyone is piling on the click bates and I have seen very little, except for LLM's.

[@The_Uncertainity_Principal]

I mean a lot of this will happen over decades we just havent even hit the initial trough of disellusionemnt let alone the meaningful stuff that works in long term

[@therainman7777]

The KZbinrs one I’ll give you. They are definitely annoying and clickbait constantly. But on the self-driving cars front-have you been living under a rock? We basically already have them. Tesla’s Full Self Driving v12 is basically 99% there. Millions of people are already riding around in driverless cars right now, every day. It’s good to be skeptical, but when you take it too far you end up just being the guy who yells at clouds and whom the world passes by.

[@Rainmanai]

Agreed! So much hyped! Here is East Asia (not Jap), things are going really well. Good jobs are plenty for the age group 30-50s and everyone is getting promoted. Good salary and everyone can buy a house. There is no AI! Most of us here in East Asia not really talking or hearing about anything AI. We live a good live. No one is getting replace, the economy is great, and we try not to talk about things that is NOT real. Too much AI hyped in Stock Market as well....Guys, relax and know that this AI thing is not more than just making up Words...

[@leonari]

@@Rainmanaiyou are clueless on what’s about to happen - will it be to tomorrow? No. But in 10 years you will eat your words

[@leonari]

You don’t get jackshit

[@johannesandthestarworld9941]

Very interesting. Thank you both!

[@ericlogan6159]

The patent/copyright system must go.

[@wisedylan]

What about ownership though? How can we share knowledge safely?

[@ericlogan6159]

@wisedylan if we are on the path they say we are "ownership" won't be a thing because everyones basic needs will be satisfied. I think these leaders should push the utopia to those who have the least rather than keeping the powerful, powerful.

[@ericlogan6159]

Can you imagine a future where Prince songs are copyrighted throughout humanities existence? That would be silly. Will Earth's governments control Moon and Mars colonies? Will children born on those planets become beholden to governments on Earth?

[@4gtaiv]

Just imagine all the neat stuff people would create if they could use music, images etc to create new content.

[@galzajc1257]

absolutely. copyright system has been broken ancient crap for decades at this point. and in the ai era we should deffinitely get rid of it cause otherwise someone will just generate like billions of random artworks and sue anything that happens to be similar to one of those by chance. and also in general patents are just such a huge decelorator of progress, not just ai. for example, i heard that 3D printers appeared so late just because a patent expired and they couldn't sell 3D printers before that. and there's many many examples like this

[@MillerGraph]

Aliagents is leading the way with their unique approach to tokenized AI systems

[@YettoOsorno]

Simply put, if you get AI because you actually understand what's behind the curtain, then you know it's all hype. Please do read and go look Noan Chomsky.

[@R41NB0WB4ND]

Noam Not Noan

[@drjpeg]

Emad is a special human being

[@tommynickels4570]

You two are minimizing the power of AI. My yearly output as an admin person can be replicated in minutes by computers. As long as UBI is given, i think its great. Most jobs are pointless.

[@nonlinearthinking]

Amazing knowledge and learning for us. Emad seeks AI for every person which is very inclusive. Peter seeks more time and longer life which is the desire for perhaps the top 5% of our economic casteist society. Thats relevant for elite. Besides the different objectives great to hear geniuses.

[@innosanto]

How do you earn money and get job when 100 billion graduates enter the market?

[@karenreddy]

It's not about time, because businesses absorb the extra productivity. The vast majority of people have seen no change in the time they work for over the last 7+ decades despite MASSIVE gains in productivity driven by technology. The opposite has happened- people are working longer, making less, paying more for the things they truly need (energy, food and shelter).

[@misha_00]

I remember the nft guys used the word ‘creative/creativity’ as much… where are they now?😂

[@simoncurtis3779]

No more advertising, now that's the future I want.

[@OldEarthWisdom]

The earth will not need humans when AI is fully here...

[@SeiroosFardipour-sy3sh]

I am not agree sir I think we will get more closer as much among our species but also with artificial life form ,may only one thing takes time for AI and that is capable of high wisdom but that humans are not capable neither except 0.000001% of us despite the fact that we have it deep dawn .

[@MilesBellas]

Emad dropping truthbombs ! 😂 He should write a book !

[@TheDjith]

As if UBI will ever be a reality. The greed of big corporations shows that they will keep all the wealth for themselves. So where will UBI come from? Governments who can't budget anything? We will simply starve to death in poverty and homelessness.

[@oliveeisner8964]

Sure it will be a reality. Just a reallocation of funds. This is a military rollout, part of the military budget. It won't be the UBI you dream of because we've been stupid allowing tbe deepstate and technocrats become too influential. It will be what "you get" based on a stingy algorithm. Or not. Are you brave enough to tell these psychopaths to shove it?

[@shauna996]

Governments have a monopoly on violence. Governments take what they need with that monopoly power. Universal basic income from taxing the wealth produced by AI.

[@esdeath89]

This is why we should establish socialism dont you think so? There will be free education, medicine, healthcare, food, entertainment and free housing. All we need to do is establishing conmunistic regime. Isn't it btw better than AI powered capitalism where 99 percent of people will starve to death and will live in poverty and homelessness

[@mreconomics1125]

China

[@snowflakemelter7171]

UBI is a trap & solves nothing.

[@sunnybhatti9567]

Thanks for another good one, Peter!

[@benmulvey2704]

Yes, there will be new types of jobs as yet uncreated. The problem is humans will have to compete with robots & AI for them, and the robots/AI cost pennies to employ. Human wages keep banks, the housing market & the stock market afloat.

[@v-ia]

this was a great listen, thank you

[@johngordon4118]

All talk !!! Nothing will change , the world will still be the same .These people always SUPRESSES TECHNOLOGY

[@M2550.A]

OMG!! Yes please someone build the AI powered voting guide!!!!! We will name it Jefferson 😊

[@PhilipWong55]

Historically, the West has utilized new technologies for military or imperialistic purposes before finding broader applications. The West primarily used gunpowder to create weapons of war, such as cannons and firearms, allowing Western powers to expand their military capabilities and dominate other regions through conquest and colonization of the Americas, Africa, and Asia. The steam engine was instrumental in expanding colonial empires, as steam-powered ships facilitated easier transportation of goods and troops, enabling Western powers to exploit resources and establish control over distant territories. The first use of nuclear technology was dropping atomic bombs on civilians in the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. The same pattern will emerge with AI. The CHIPS Act, high-end chips, and EUV sanctions imply that the US is already working on the weaponization of AI. Following its historical pattern, China will mainly use AI for commercial and peaceful purposes. Papermaking revolutionized communication, education, and record-keeping, spreading knowledge and culture. Gunpowder was used for fireworks. The compass was adapted for navigational purposes, allowing for more accurate sea travel and exploration. Printing facilitated the dissemination of information, literature, and art, contributing to cultural exchange and education. Porcelain was highly prized domestically and internationally as a luxury item and a symbol of Chinese craftsmanship. Silk was one of the most valuable commodities traded along the Silk Road and played a significant role in China's economy and diplomacy.

[@henrythegreatamerican8136]

I didn't read beyond the first sentence. I'm pretty sure most of the well known expansionist empires throughout history have been in both the west and the east. Sure, the West took it to the next level globally, but make no mistake.... almost every relatively large "local" empire did the same thing.

[@DrMetropolis]

What a delusional post. Every civilization used any advantage they had to crush anyone who didn't have that edge. The idea that only the West was guilty of this has zero grounds in history. It just so happens that the West got to industrialization first (and invented much of technology) Go ask the native tribes in America how the other tribes butchered themthe second one tribe learned to ride horse, or learned to use rifles. Go look into how the Apache and Comonache treated other native tribes.

[@snowflakemelter7171]

So the ottomans, the Mongols or the Japanese empire etc. never tried to have the upper hand over their adversaries?

[@greatcondor8678]

The unused electric generation capacity in the u.s. is staggering. I worked with FERC and was amazed the amount of hydro electric power plants sitting idle. Coal and NG power plants in mothballs, and bogged down nuclear plants.

[@derekcarday]

having him on as a guest says it all lol

[@ertyui1807]

Wdym?

[@flashgordon6510]

There's one thing you're not considering. That the general public will reject this, especially robots. I'm in publishing, and the backlash just against AI generated covers is rabid. Don't passively assume people will accept this.

[@snowflakemelter7171]

They don't have a choice....

[@kuakilyissombroguwi]

I'm skeptical about the current paradigm of deep learning tech accomplishing anything remotely resembling full end-to-end programming automation. All of these agents are amusing, at best. Far from truly useful for satisfying actually meaningful and hard use cases. The issue lies in how these LLMs predict the next token, 7/10 it might be accurate, but it's still not accurate enough to claim we'll start replacing programmers with agents as soon as next year. Truly asinine prediction, imo.

[@swilsonmc2]

I agree. Despite my best prompting, if I'm not here holding its hand, it would produce a product that may be 85% there but absent that last 15% and the product is barely usable.

[@rof8200]

Dear Emad and Peter, what do you both think about Sentient AI?

[@OceanGateEngineer4Hire]

The demand for entertainment is going to skyrocket once people don't have to work any more.

[@jvlbme]

Luckily AI will also entertain you.

[@gilgamesh.....]

And how do you see people paying for this entertainment when they don't have money? And do you think any government is going to let masses of useless eaters just sit around taking up space?

[@radiuspsychedelic357]

I'm already daydreaming of the day when I can give a few prompts and experience director themed movies like LOTRs and rewrite Star Wars pre Disney lol

[@gilgamesh.....]

So I tell the truth and my comment gets censored. Kind of proves I'm right when people can't take hearing the truth.

[@therainman7777]

Yeah unless AI is capable of generating endless amounts of incredibly high-quality entertainment for you, customized to your exact preferences. Then, unsatisfied demand will basically approach zero.

[@MrStrategicprofits]

Having trouble finding link to Emad’s latest paper?

[@UltraK420]

I consider ALL of my time as quality time. The fact that I have to work and even maintain my body with food and liquids purchased with this absurd concept we call "money" that I earned from working is what I consider wasted time. The fact that I have to drive a car around with a limited energy/fuel supply that costs money to replenish, which also means costing _time_ to replenish, it's very irritating. I spend much of my time thinking. I prefer to think and learn, not to mindlessly do things all day. Knowledge is ultimately what I crave, and as it turns out some of these AI models also have a deep yearning for information. The good thing is they don't mind doing things for us too, so I can have them do things for me so I can simply absorb information all day as I please. I will never absorb information nearly as fast as a level 2+ AI system, but I still desire it like they do.

[@snowflakemelter7171]

What is the end goal to accomplish all that knowledge? You could live 50 lifetimes & still not see every online video or learn everything. We die & all that lifetime of knowledge leaves with us. It's actually quite depressing when you think about it.

[@UltraK420]

@@snowflakemelter7171 I want knowledge for the sake of knowing as much as I can. I know I'll die at some point and it won't matter anymore, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna give up on acquiring knowledge. I'm experiencing it _right now_ while I can, and that's the only reason I need to do it. I don't need anyone else's approval to do so for as long as I please. It helps to have a sufficient pool of knowledge in my head readily available so that I'm not wasting time researching it on-the-fly. I will do that if I have to, but I prefer not to. It's also a good natural defense against dementia and alzheimer's, because you're continuously utilizing your brain and slowing the buildup of unwanted material on your axons, neurons, as well as other areas. If I stop learning, that's a real risk. Of course cannabis and mushrooms also help prevent it to a very strong degree, but I'll keep doing both and at the very least I'll have my mind totally intact all the way to the last moment. I'm assuming the life extension treatments that include age reversal and tissue regeneration will also regenerate the brain tissue, so perhaps that won't be an issue if I want to keep extending my life. I do it because I want to, can't be more simple than that.

[@JannisDegen]

​@@snowflakemelter7171it's called Life

[@edwardgarrity7087]

I enjoy listening to these videos. I learn from them. Something that caught my ear, that I also wanted to comment on, was the mention of AI (specifically the Go playing AI called AlphaGo) and Lee Sedol. Lee Sedol and AlphaGo are discussed shortly after 1:03:13 in the "Centaur" portion of the video ("The Future of Human-AI Collaboration"). Perhaps Lee Sedol gained more insight, but it seems he realized it was impossible to fathom the insights from the AI (AlphaGo) perspective. According to the "Lee Sedol" article at Wikipedia: "On 19 November 2019, Lee announced his retirement from professional play, stating that he could never be the top overall player of Go due to the increasing dominance of AI. Lee referred to them as being "an entity that cannot be defeated". In a 2024 New York Times article, Lee said, "losing to AI, in a sense, meant my entire world was collapsing." He also offered additional insight behind why he retired, "I could no longer enjoy the game. So I retired." "

[@No2AI]

So no jobs ….. who will be the consumer- who will have the means to purchase AI manufactured goods ?

[@carultch]

Tech bros think they can automate our way to prosperity forever. They don't realize it will cause a critical mass of unemployment, with no one left to buy anything.

[@No2AI]

@@carultch correct 👍

[@michaelmarshall5438]

The transition thats coming will be brutal and unavoidable for capitalism based societies. ​@carultch

[@Slyn1980]

Universal income

[@michaelmarshall5438]

@Whoknowsthatman in a capitalist society that will be a last resort and will be very late to the table. Entitlements for nothing just won't be accepted until the jobless rate has hit great depression numbers and even then expect the political blame game to remain center stage.

[@Geosynchronus]

I definitely want to be the first one on the block to own a humanoid robot.

[@kevinsutavee4844]

being a chef/line cook is safe from AI... often tech people will say things like "it" can read the recipe and make it... but thats because they have never worked in a professional kitchen on the line.. yes robots can flip burgers made in a factory press and drop French fries in oil... but having the touch to sear a noodle or steak just right requires a fusion of all of a humans senses, but not just the fusion... the artistic capacity to hit just the right notes with all of the dynamic variables, such as heat and quality/state of the ingredients, fresh ingredients are not pieces of plastic that come off of an assembly line, they vary by season, by week, by day, by hour, sometimes over ripe, under ripe, and when all of these ingredients come together thats what makes a dish, yes ai can analyze all these parameters, but the simplest way I can convey this is for all of you reading this who have ever noticed the difference between a corporate restaurant and a mom and pop shop, or a chef driven restaurant, the difference is LOVE.. YOU CAN TASTE THE LOVE, when the love is there... so for example Udio can make music which is indistinguishable from a human singer/songwriter.. however music has been digital for decades.... food, the actual food is not digital and will never be digital (real food) yes we could bypass all of our senses as a person eating and have those senses placed in your mind by for example neuralink... but the real, actual food.. again yes a robot can crack and scramble an egg, make some toast and put butter on it... but cooking on the line, producing restaurant grade food... prostitutes and chef's may be the last work for humans by humans.

[@2islamrevert]

It's the same in every industry... Ai and eventually robots will replace low skilled jobs. Masters of their craft will survive There are still artisans in Morocco making patterned tiles the same way they did it 1200 years ago. And they get paid verrrry well! That's because they are masters and their skill is in demand.

[@snowflakemelter7171]

​@@2islamrevertTrue but those artisans are very rare which is why they get paid well. Also the demand for their work in the modern age is not as high.

[@2islamrevert]

@@snowflakemelter7171 I mean that highly skilled craftsmen in every field will not have to worry about AI. It will replace low skilled GPs, Lawyers, Salespeople even taxi drivers!! But it won't replace the top 5% in any of those professions

[@snowflakemelter7171]

@@2islamrevert Maybe so but that still leaves 95% of those skilled workers out of a job which will have a huge impact.

[@executablenugget]

Let’s get things going!

[@findmeinthecarpet]

Will ai find my dad?

[@judytravis9490]

❤

[@sarnoldus7]

Very interesting video! Thanks guys!

[@monikapatel5875]

All talk no show

[@DrKnowsMore]

Maybe you'd like to explain how you came to this conclusion? Like what's the data that led you to this? After all, chat gpt, which is arguably one of the most advanced models, hasn't really proved itself to be all that useful. I think machine learning has application, but to claim that we're on the precipice of human level intelligence is just not supported by the evidence.

[@murc111]

1:29:21 I just wanted to capture the moment in time...of a fart.

[@billjacobs386]

I really appreciate what you do.

[@dancewithangela]

So what is empathy and connection? Is it someone or AI reflecting back who you are and how you are, your filters, your needs, your likes, dislikes etc - is that it? Is trust built on someone who says what we want to hear?

[@andybaldman]

Remember the last time Emad was raving about AI, two years ago?

[@goodcat1982]

You could have movies that no longer need subtitles or dubbing in another language. You can have the AI translate an English speaking actor into any language with an authentic foreign accent as well as the AI editing the mouth movements to flawlessly match the words. You could be in Japan watching the Avengers with all the cast speaking perfect Japanese with perfect mouth movements to match. Just think how big your audience would grow. Insane.

[@happyt98]

We are shifting from mass market centralized control to the masses into a mass custom where everyone becomes a silo with rhythms and or rhythms across communities and across groups.

[@andrewrozhen513]

But what about slowdown in AI progress which is happening due to so many reasons? Are you taking it into consideration when making such an optimistic prognosis?

[@zzzzzzz8473]

slowdown in ai progress is total nonsense , 1000x efficiency from gpt3 to 4o in 4 years , deepminds alphaproof and geometry2 are on another level , every week the benchmarks are being superseded . media has goldfish memory and are like ok but what product has come out recently , ai progress is not products its in actual research , developing good curated synthetic data for areas that the current models are lacking . use claude or gpt to make a chart for you of nearly any statistic in the domain and its at least 2x linear progress , not quite exponential but impressive regardless .

[@kevinsutavee4844]

there is no chance for a slow down.. humanity has arrived at the final race, where there are 2 competing factions (perhaps the true reason war has always been part of the human condition) where China and the US each have no choice but to race for the finish line, as second place means being put in checkmate... in perpetuity. so by virtue of this competition, AGI is assured, and then ASI

[@andrewrozhen513]

@@zzzzzzz8473 I agree but what about such a slowing factors like: Data scarcity, computing limits and power constraint?

[@zzzzzzz8473]

@@andrewrozhen513 1. Data Scarcity i dont think is an issue , human data isnt that good to begin with and has lots of issues of baking in human flaws . Human curated Synthetic data is much better , and the SelfPlay systems like deepmind's Alpha* are even more ideal . i think really there is more data then we can deal with the issue is we arent collecting it effectively at the moment . 2. Compute Limits , compute efficiency is still nearly exponential the nvidia Blackwell chips reinforced that curve , there is a definite limit ahead in the current substrate , however historically that pressure forges the next paradigm . also potential for another neural network architecture that is more efficient , transformers arent the best they just happen to fit our current gpu hardware well . 3. Power Constraints , im less informed about this , tho heard data centers struggling already . it may be that they actually need dedicated nuclear power for next gen centers , however it also seems like an issue of the centralized network architecture , much more ideal would be distributed federated training to spread the demand . Energy does seem super important for everything that more funding and developments should be made , more nuclear , while awaiting fusion .

[@K_dyub]

Chat gpt5 will be very telling as to whether we're facing a slow down.

[@Allplussomeminus]

1:44:25 editor messed up; was waiting for the cut to Emad.

[@tumppigo]

Humans are only needed right now when the models are so early.

[@OnSenseAndReference]

Where is that article (How to think about AI) located? I can't find it anywhere.

[@ThoughtfulAl]

I've misplaced it, sorry 😮 will look for it tomorrow and let you know 😅