Can the Sonos Sub Mini really play 25 Hz?

The Sonos Sub Mini is a marvellous piece of engineering pushing out a lot of bass for something of this size. It reminds me of the 3-4 feet tall cylindrical subwoofers from SVS, except that this is a 1 foot tall cylinder.
How many watts is the amplifier? How about the larger Sonos Sub? Does it really play 25 Hz? We explore all these in today's video, starting with a video clip on the actual physical force that these modern day Sonos subwoofers are capable to creating. REAL PHYSICAL FORCE that will extinguish the flame of a candle.
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[@james_d_e]

Another great Vid Peter! 👏🏻 Looking forward to your recommended EQ and Mini Sub levels when paired with your Beam 2 and One SL’s

[@ddiaz81]

Just downloaded the latest update! Can't wait for your review!

[@bakelitsuisse7707]

Hey Pete, many thanks once more for your videos! I have received yesterday my SONOS Sub-Mini to swap it with my SONOS Sub gen. 1 and I have to say that the Mini-Sub along my SONOS Arc sound amazing! Very tight and sharp sound from that little piece of wonders... On top of that, it is fully compatible with Atmos! Many thanks as you were the trigger to make me the change...

[@JM-zz5mh]

Great content. Glad to see something more then ads on KZbin.

[@kevinranders]

I bought this today to add it to my Beam G2 and 2 one sl's for my bedroom. I love it. My main media room has the 2022 nakimichi 9.4.2 shockwafe and love it too but this sonos system is fantastic for my bedroom.

[@PeterPee]

Yeah, I have the sub mini in my bedroom too and it fits perfectly.

[@TCPUDPATM]

Omg I didn’t realize that you can set the crossover point in the amp. I set it up last year and forgot about it. I tried to do this exact same test last weekend but I ran into the crossover point issue and I quit. I’m glad you persisted! Great videos.

[@StevenvanderGraaf]

I sold my Sub gen 2 and bought a Sub mini because of your videos. I have to say that the sub mini gives way more realistic bass with my Arc en ERA 300’s and Dolby Atmos in particular. In music the drums sound more punchy and a more immersive live sound with Atmos tracks. (using Apple Dolby Atmos tracks) my Sub gen 2 was way more deep in bass to the point a had it always -5 and still lost the punchy attack of a drumkit. The Sub mini imo is the better choice for a Atmos set up. Thanx for your content. It made my Dolby Atmos experience way better

[@PeterPee]

In a small room the minis will perform very well. The sub is sealed and has more accurate bass.

[@thomasasannes]

Hi, love your content! The wattage drained from the wall socket is probable not very accurate as I assume the Sonos use switchmode power supply. This operates at a higher frequency than the wall socket. The actual power drawn from the wall is probably much higher than what you may measure that way. I have a 300watt (4ohm) class D NAD amplifier. It’s only rated 150watts from the mains. Your method only work with class a/b amplifiers that does not have switchmode power supply. But still a very entertaining video.

[@richarddoyle1878]

Hey Pete, Sonos have released 14.18 as I am sure you are aware and so far so good. Sub seems back to its old self. Look forward to your review!!

[@PeterPee]

Ya indeed it did. Thanks for your support Richard!

[@Lattestone671]

Just because the subwoofer is moving air at 25hz doesn't mean it's playing it/is audible. I have a subwoofer in my car that definitely plays 25hz and you can hear it. The Sonos sub mini was barely playing 30hz when I tested it myself. I also have IEMs that play lower than 15hz and can hear it so I know it's not my ears. My living room is small to medium size and definitely don't think that's the issue because I walked all around the place.

[@dwsolberg]

I returned by sub 3 and went with a sub mini paired with an Arc and two Era 100s. Our room is small to medium and I definitely prefer the sound coming from the mini.

[@PeterPee]

It’s sealed. So bass is more controlled and less boomy. If your room size is right, it is the better choice.

[@Maxthafirst]

I chose the sub mini paired with the sonos arc. My room is 11' x 13'.

[@TheRoelsint]

Why will you not show the DB scale on the Sub gen 2 vs sub mini comparison chart?

[@Batman-pm2we]

What about the loudness & articulation of the bass? Measurement in db on loudness from 1 metre? Surely that is more important than how much power draw from the wall

[@jpod]

My sub mini arrived yesterday. I feel like the name sub mini is a misnomer. It's really not all that small. I have paired it with two 1s for rears and an arc, super impactful bass for movies so far. In my set up it def doesn't feel min...

[@PeterPee]

I am glad you felt that way! Of course I know it’s not as powerful as the regular full size sub but for something this size it’s really not too bad.

[@5cent27]

I’ve said this once and I’ll say it again. As a gen3 sub owner I don’t get a good feeling about this. First they turn down the sub gen3 and now this “mini” thing is starting to hit sub gen3 numbers. A few more “updates” (software downgrades imo) and this “mini” is going to perform better than the sub gen3. Sonos better figure this out asap (turn the gen3 sub back up) or a bose 900 with a 700 sub is in my near future. I’d rather not have to drop another $2k+ but I’m not a big fan of Sonos dictating how my sound system performs and downgrading my system with “updates”. I’m pretty discouraged at this point and probably wouldn’t recommend this system to any friends or family. 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@Cueto99]

Same feeling here… Sonos, why downgrade the sub gen 3?

[@Laptopdog78]

Wow, are you seriously saying that Sonos will send updates, and change the actual sound of these speakers based on their current sales agenda??……If i knew that this was true for a fact, then i would not buy one more speaker from them!!! (I have a few of their speakers by the way).

[@TemujinScott80]

@@Laptopdog78 no that’s not accurate. Why would a company want to lose money with a practice such as that.

[@5cent27]

@@Laptopdog78 It all just seems too coincidental to not have some thread of truth. Sonos has an update that takes arguably 50%+ out of the current “big sub” and just so happens to release a smaller “mini sub”. That new “mini sub” (probably a fraction of the cost to manufacture vs the “big sub”) is putting up comparable numbers to the old “big sub”. So those of us who spent the $750 on the old “big sub” that is now completely neutered are left looking at the much cheaper “mini sub” and thinking “well if they let us pair 2 mini subs that surely will out perform the bullsh!t big sub I have. Might as well sell the big one and get 2 mini subs”. I won’t tolerate the way this current set up sounds much longer and if my only option is to buy a 2nd $750 “big sub” I’d rather start all over again with Bose and know that they wouldn’t pull this crap on me. The one thing that can happen to prove me partially correct will be when they start letting you pair 2 mini subs. So everyone wait and see.

[@abielpangga6314]

Not a sonos owner but could you explain in more detail how sonos “turned down” the bigger subwoofers? were they actually transparant about the update and what was the reason they did (according to them)

[@majorwedgy]

Are your power usage numbers correct for the sub gen 2/3 at the lower range ie 25hz c. 10w draw? Also the candle test was underwhelming for the mini, does that mean minimal output in dB at 25hz?

[@Mbk0x]

Hey, Big fan of your channel. Do you any new information in regards to potential new Sonos Five successor called optimo 2? When do you think they would announce that officially? And when would they launch it? Normally around this month in time, right?

[@leenelson5171]

Great Video, I would like to know what is the best setting for Sonos arc with a pair of one XL & sub mini

[@mauricioharker5163]

Thanks Peter... It is becoming increasingly clear that the large sub offers more brute force and the sub mini offers more precision... Really this is better sound quality. Waiting for the test and findings of Ones SL and Sub Mini... Maybe vs Fives

[@PeterPee]

I have so many videos to make! And not enough time! Your observation is spot on.

[@mauricioharker5163]

@Peter Pee I know Peter and we will be waiting patiently for your productions around the world... I really appreciate all your input and knowledge.

[@kevinvitale8980]

While I am curious on the numbers… I really want to know what my ears and brain hear.

[@PeterPee]

Your ears will hear less bass from the sub mini than the sub gen 3. Your brain will think it’s ok cost it costs less. Your heart will fall in love with it because it’s a whole lot cuter.

[@DerekReynolds]

great video. been waiting for someone to test this. so how many decibels down is the sub3 and mini at 25hz?

[@marcelkuckei3]

So does it provide 25hz at-3 DB or not?!

[@TheRoelsint]

Just taking a stab at that graph without db scale, but it looks like a lot less then the sub gen 2.

[@SuperHungryhorace]

I will be surprised if there is any usefull output at 25hz. I have not done any other testing than playing a few movie scenes I know well. According to my ears, there is not much output below 35hz or so, but I may be wrong. No ultra low bass doesnt make Sub Mini a bad product, but if you are looking for faithfull reproduction of movie soundfx, you should look somewhere else, not Sonos, or any other small subwoofer and soundbar combo. Sonos are great at what they do, but the Arc and the Sub Mini i have in my apartment doesnt even compare to the SVS setup I have at my house.

[@Tech4480]

I just saw a KZbin short that added a pair of Sonos 5s are left and right fronts with an arc by when of grouping for 5s. Could you possibly test how this would work and if there is any delay in sounds. Thanks

[@PeterPee]

You can do that but you won’t get an accurate soundstage and it’s not really surround. The delay is minimal.

[@nami4norman]

For a room thats 20ft x 15ft with a Sonos Arc would you recommend the Sub Gen 3 or Sub Mini. I usually only watch movies at 50-60% max volume and listen to music at 70% if theres a party.

[@innocentrage1]

Get the full size if you have a stand alone home, sub mini if in apartment or condo

[@Torrico97]

How do you feel about Kef vs Sonos?

[@tuareg67]

It is now perfectly understood why it gets the name "MINI", it is not because of its size, but because it has much less real potential than its older brothers. Thanks Peter.

[@PeterPee]

Definitely and for sure they put less “ingredients” in the sub mini to achieve the lower price point.

[@possiblyinsane6995]

thats fine its $300+ less

[@krazyolie]

Do the main speakers get high passed with the sub running?

[@PeterPee]

Yes, they do.

[@toldenfr]

Hi Peter, thanks for your video. If I don't have an iPhone, I don't get the AirPlay... right? So how does it sound without it? Could an Android phone can setup Sonos ecosystem?

[@PeterPee]

Yes, Android phones can set up Sonos. Just no trueplay. And no airplay.

[@toldenfr]

@@PeterPee thank you

[@fotbollemittliv1]

I cant see crossover level

[@arniesilverberg764]

Sorry to be off topic. From a previous video of yours I learned that updates usually drop on the third Tuesday of the month. Sure enough, I needed to update my app first and now I will be able to update my S2 products. I am most interested to view your objective testing results with regard to frequency change signature for the Arc sub combo. In short, does the most recent update “fix the sub” that they previously broke?

[@PeterPee]

So by now you know it’s a YES! Thanks Arnie!

[@smokingmother]

can't wait for that affordable earc switch/extractor review

[@SamStab007]

How do you test peak power without annoying your neighbours?

[@PeterPee]

I believe for that one hour they were really annoyed.

[@smellyoldsock1553]

Yes I have wondered, often. I think Sonos keep it secret because those with proper HT setups will just laugh...

[@TemujinScott80]

They laugh and snark at most things… no matter how great it is