Pharrell and Vince Staples Trade Game On Creativity vs Artificial Intelligence

This is from the podcast "OtherTone w/ Pharrell". Pharrell might be a voice we've been missing in the culture during times of introspection. A lot of ground is covered here.

[@brandonWilliams-yr4re]

“When I was a kid you had to go home to get on MySpace.” Damn I can relate

[@KotyKolter]

SAME!!!!

[@THUNDYMEDIA]

Every time I watch a Vince interview I’m impressed

[@KotyKolter]

You should hear him rap

[@iansh3]

The real problem with AI and the internet in general is that it's all being used in service of advertising. Companies will invest billions of dollars into getting a computer to know everything about to in order to target ads to you. And the social media apps make all their money from ads so their algorithms are tailored to get you to engage with them for every single waking moment. And the two things that drive the most engagement are anger and shock. When you look at it through this lens, it makes sense that social media is causing mental illnesses in people because people's health was never the focus, it was to get you angry and worked up to stay online and keep seeing more ads. This same technology could be being used to figure out how to automate food production and distribution, housing development for the homeless and many other social problems that could be solved by a good algorithm but that doesn't make money. I feel like that's kind of where Pharrell was going with the ambulance metaphor, the same machine can take life just as easily as it can save life. It's up to the people that use it and control it.

[@ragetheartist23]

Facts

[@alanhill6018]

Yep and this boils down to how do I as a Human, walk this life as a human? And who decides what is the correct way of walking? I’ve come to know the solution to be Jesus.

[@ian9894]

Well said. We hold the power at all times. We are always the creators and we cant let the creations dumb us down.

[@alanhill6018]

@@BlackNewsMonday I’m interested, who do you follow? Because I believe truth to be objective, because I’ve seen human “truth” to be subjective, because it is objective, it stands to reason that there is one truth. This is why I believe Jesus is the only way, not just a way. Jesus said in John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” The Father being God The Father, and Jesus Being God The Son. This may seem contradictory, but if God’s will is the same, one will, then it is as Jesus says in John 17:21, “I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one-as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.” …Sorry I tend to ramble lol

[@PaddingtonSquare]

Spot on dude

[@MonocanBasquiat]

“You think you not wit it, but if you love your phone.. you’re in trouble”

[@ematic75]

These are the conversations I have all the time but only with 1 or 2 of my friends.. Pharrell hit it when he said the Internet is the Tower of Babel..that's really goes deep

[@camouflaging6090]

literally one of the best examples/analogies ever ngl

[@PotatoCruncher12]

Donald Glover made a whole album about this…in 2013

[@ematic75]

@@PotatoCruncher12 I never checked that album or his other albums out tbh but makes sense. Really like his show though.

[@alanhill6018]

Completely true. The Tower of Babel, Egypt, Rome, etc. History does repeat itself, but interestingly enough, God did something in the act of freeing people from people. Freeing us from ourselves. I’ve come to know that Jesus is the only one who can deliver us from our evil, and correct our steps.

[@stankboxers]

@@PotatoCruncher12 what album

[@brycedademon1840]

this is the best video that has surfaced in my generation. being someone who was born in 03, i feel like i got to see the shift between these areas of time.

[@grownfolkbeats]

this conversation is fire. real life legends giving game to the young bucks

[@KotyKolter]

I agree and i listened to the whole thing and finally wrote the greatest rap song in the world and now i just gotta get it recorded.

[@johnwinston4761]

the fact Pharrell is sitting there with Famlay says A LOT about him. If you don't know, check out "Hit Me On My Beeper" and "Rock n Roll" for that vintage Neptunes production from the 2000s.

[@reggieodexter]

That’s Fam?? Yeoo 🔥🔥

[@GroovyLouis]

Most definitely Neptunes are 🐐🐐 Star Trak forever 🖖🏽✨

[@HARDL3FT]

Rock n Roll is such an underrated track imo

[@Lovlee33161]

Wow. That’s famlay?!? MANNNNNNNNNN. THAT BROUGHT A SMILE TO MY FACE!!!! only the OG’s understand!!!

[@daryllphillips163]

I thought that was him

[@brycedademon1840]

everything spoken from vince’s perspective was true and pharrell these guys are truly enlightened on the world around us this conversation needs to be heard and understood. i jus hope we make it there

[@KotyKolter]

truly enlightened ✌

[@HARDL3FT]

Vince is such a bright young man. Im a little bias being from LA but can't help to think how LA is home to some of the brightest, most innovative rap artists... Vince, Kendrick, Boogie, Nipsey(RIP). Idk, might just be me.

[@72826verba]

The population is pretty high so it only makes sense

[@ThisIsJayEveryday]

V: "you see those Boston Dynamics robot dogs..." P: "I got two of em" *The flex is real* lol

[@shayburns8015]

When Vince said “we gotta create better stuff” 🙌🏾

[@MentalPistol]

Thats how we got into this situation in the first place.. people creating what they think is "better".

[@Bandstand]

Pharrell saying he has two Boston Dynamic Robots all casually and saying thank you to Vince’s praise of said ownership is hilarious

[@dennishenderson3483]

I'm SUPER glad I'm not the only 1 who found that entertaining. 😅 🙃😂😂

[@Dre-ib6si]

Prolly one of the most entertaining/enlightening videos I done seen all year. Smart brothers. Shows in their craft and music

[@arrayofgratitude]

It does goes so much deeper, love how Vince staples pointed out " you gotta be careful of what we create"... & like pharell said, "gotta except the good with the bad"...

[@kendalls.w.3234]

It’s like Pharrell was trying to say, if you like the little stuff from AI you gotta accept the rest of the bs that comes with it.

[@luckytyson13]

Yes and no

[@_omosigho]

Watching this interview, I could just picture this in the next 10 years. Damn!

[@elfegeletitulaire]

Vince staple is so eloquent

[@KeenanRuffinEl]

technology is no longer serving humanity

[@DonLouVee]

this was good! Now I'm about to go watch the full interview

[@avon2alpha676]

Seen it when I watch the movie “Her” we was going to erase the interaction between human beings. We interact through social media with less interaction in person.

[@kkkkkkkkkkkk444]

Vince Staples is so grown now wow. I needed to hear this conversation. Thank you

[@farjedi]

I agree with everything being said here...good to hear artists I respect on the same page.

[@jasvol83]

this is my fav convo ever heard

[@user-eh3jb6qf1y]

I love that they both smile while the other is talking. That’s real love man

[@marcrippee4365]

Very insightful from all sides. Great combo

[@ace1hunnid909]

Yoo this a real ass conversation. Real eye opener. It’s right in our faces. It’s all around us

[@aheadofmarket]

“The phone ain’t gonna pick you up and throw your ass out a window” 😅

[@GoldenLamentation]

Stop fearing… just keep on moving.

[@ItsGambinOway]

This is such a dope conversation

[@migdoesstuff7704]

I listen to Doing It Stealthy when I'm experiencing existential dread. It makes it worse but... I just can't stop.

[@jeremiahhaze1453]

I’m just so surprised and hella happy to see famlay lol

[@bishoyvb368]

The first time I heard Beating the Heart by Oloff my heart stopped beating. Thank God the doctors were able to revive me.

[@CamUHardHeaded]

Great chat

[@dosesandmimoses]

Great conversation.. I too am concerned about some of the ramifications of too much reliance on AI

[@Unnuandleo]

Rumour has it that one time Oloff was sat next to Jar Jar Binks on a flight. Jar Jar kept kicking the chair in front of him and generally being obnoxious, nobody knew what to do. Eventually one of the flight attendants came over and asked Oloff if he would perform one of his songs to calm Jar Jar down, and when Oloff began rapping the first verse to Doing It Stealthy, Jar Jar immediately relaxed. To this day the two are still close friends.

[@YggStudio]

You can hear in his voice that Pharrell is seeing Carole & Tuesday in his mind's eye as he talks about AI songwriters.

[@jzwadlo]

Shoutout to subtitles. he's not wrong. I pay waaay more attention when they on. Shoutout to anime also for that

[@KIDKorRupt24]

The phone won't throw you out the window. But it can make you throw yourself out the window

[@jorgeadames1245]

This was great

[@Saltpeanutss]

Great to see Famlay!

[@nckgmz83]

Algorythm & Blues 🎉

[@jeffersonalade22]

What is interesting to me and what I can see as a potential double standard from the homies in this interview is that the technology that they are all worried about is the same technology that they are using to propagate their own music. Pharrell touched on this with the horse v car analogy but 30 years ago or so when they were developing DAWS (Digital Audio workstations) people were probably like this technology is wild and too far and these kids don’t what it was like in the old days and everything was so much better when we had to record things more manually. 30 years prior to that people were probably like all this new technology that makes it easier to fly to places and mics that make it easier to project your voice, and distort your live instrument, they were probably like these kids don’t know how beautiful it was to be the one responsible for projecting your voice to a large audience and the hustle fulfillment it took for you to travel by road across the country. With that being said I think technology in a sense can be scary but I think an interesting conversation would be how can we use these technologies to advance the arts and propagate our desired future rather then taking a stance that the past was somehow better when in reality the same things that were said in this conversation were probably said in the past. That’s why Pharrell points interested me so much because equally as he seemed afraid of these new technologies, he also was in a place of acceptance. And I think also looking at technology at the point of the younger generation also helps quell fears and take a new perspective. For example, when Pharrell was saying how the younger generation see the older generation is weird for always wanting to call because from the younger generations perspective all they ever knew was that FaceTime is the main mode of communication. And in 20-30 years when/if AI generated art becomes like DAWS and electronic music, people from that generation would only ever know that as there reality. But I still believe there will be artists in that time. That’s why I think the focus should be on how can we use and leverage these technologies to continue to create what’s meaningful to us and culture instead of being so tied down to particular tool or nostalgia

[@realcoachescorner3503]

Its because of THE FUNK BROTHERS! You mentioning the artist...honestly you can throw any artist on all them motown hits. All those hits are THE FUNK BROTHERS HITS!!!

[@rulindachatt]

This convo with the Apple Music watermark in the corner is wild.

[@CPKuraun]

This conversation is about 5 years later and realistically it's awkward that this is only coming up two weeks ago from the characters

[@PotatoCruncher12]

Pharell is so smart and thinks 10 years ahead

[@encore3707]

it's so crazy how technology gets scapegoated. technology isn't a thing, it's just a function of us. no humans = no technology. humans = technology. it's arbitrary to start with computers. why not the printing press? why not the electric guitar or mpc? why not the wheel? pharrell headed in the right direction when he mentioned the people who make the phones, that's who it is. and as people we let them ruin everything good. he probably didn't mean it this way, but later he says something like if you're ok with a robot serving you, you have to be ok when it turns on you. i think of the animatrix and i agree. if machines have brains, we'll use their sentience to oppress them the same way our societies are set up to oppress the unknowing now. and if they fight back, to me that's a righteous resistance. i wouldn't fear it. never have with humans, never would with any other sentience.

[@jamesmcclaren9759]

Not with an evolving ai, the potential for destruction is matter of visionary programming and hard preservation parameters.

[@KeenanRuffinEl]

cope

[@encore3707]

@@KeenanRuffinEl adult illiteracy is a growing concern even in the so-called first world.

[@KeenanRuffinEl]

@@encore3707 i don’t need to dignify your nonsense with anything more than slang.

[@dr.strawberry5773]

nune wrong wit phones or computers or any tech imo, the problem is corporation using algorithm to grab our attention n shit. internet was fine before globalized era

[@headphoneactivist]

next level insight.

[@fatalitydnb]

Damn, this hits deep 🎯

[@Mike_Benz_]

I've honestly never facetimed or video called anyone in my life, man I'm old.

[@jeannettesneed]

Also the more I listen to Pharrell the more he sounds like TO ME WHAT THEM JEWS EXCUSE ME POWERS THAT BE MOST LIKELY EXPLAINED TO HIM!!!! MANIPULATION IS COLD!!!!! AND SWEET LIKE HONEY!!!!! 😳😳😳

[@loadsheddingzim]

Yeah yal are real ones for this.

[@Lifxzvb]

I love Vince’s takes. Real cuhhhrippp lol

[@sincere91005]

It's the minds of the people who destroy pure objects.

[@ricardomayo8337]

@vincestaples u dont have to settle. A wise man had u, and its all good!

[@lowkeyfallasleep9511]

This shit confirms that me and P would be home boys if I ever met him

[@darkskinwhite]

he right about it being about the songs not the artists

[@nr126]

P said he had two of em'how we going to skip right past that

[@YTwoKay]

Brothas need to watch Her. They are gonna eclipse us in no time.

[@FCLAUNDROMAT]

@@BlackNewsMonday Fantastic movie from 2013 starring Joaquin Phoenix. It's About a man that falls in love with an AI.

[@GroovyLouis]

Human Made ♥️

[@AP.lovetoAll]

😲 Add the fact that instead of people really speaking with each other wholeheartedly, they talk to “therapists” without getting anything of substance accomplished for the most part. Remember the saying “it takes a village”? Where’s the village? 🤔 We have work to do people. Love to all. Bless.

[@memomii2475]

LMao Pharrell keeps scaring that guy next to him. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Godofwar769]

vince looking HYDRATED !

[@theandroids]

Personally I dont care how good AI is making songs. Ill always know that it is synthetic and not organic. Its cool, but I'll always be more impressed by a human making music than an algorithm. The only people who really will love the shit is the corporation's, who wont have to pay humans as much or even at all to make music/art. Same with regular jobs, they will replace humans with machines and AI to save money than pay humans to do it. GREED.

[@BeyondAbsolute3]

We’re the minority here. When you think about the masses and how they gobble up synthetic/bs sounding music/anything to begin with, it isn’t a far cry for AI rap to become a thing, then pop, then jazz then whatever as far as the MASSES soaking that shit up, they will. And the tides are already turning. I’m like will war be the catalyst for change in the right direction or is the direction we’re headed inevitable? What will it take to get off this dystopian path we’re on, is it fate? This is a very interesting time in human history.

[@theandroids]

@@BeyondAbsolute3 Somewhere down the line, technological advancement will no longer be for the betterment of the human race. It will be the arrogance and greed of mankind that creates the moment from which the Singularity emerges.

[@ruud6828]

Except all of music is already AI, except the voice(unless they using autotune). Its all drum kits and synthesized beats. All of music is already electronic.

[@davidzubek5035]

@@ruud6828 i dont trink You Unterstand what AI means. With your Logic even Music from the 60s is AI if its played on speakers…

[@xay6361]

Those of y'all that dnt understand technology i.e. coding, u gotta tell a robot/computer every little thing. Like if you are on the job and have to train a person but you need to tell them every little thing cuz they got no common sense. That's a computer. So if a robot says no to you, it was told to do that DIRECTLY

[@IcebergSleem]

"I'm coo wit da phone"

[@DevanBrownProductions]

🔥

[@KIRI4DOTS]

I would not have seen this if KZbin did not tell me I might like this.

[@Keji839]

Vince Staples probably the only Artist who knows what Boston Dynamics is. Hes been my favorite for a while. cool ass dude

[@spiritualreflections1253]

i agree with pharrell about subtitles

[@mackaira7635]

im On my way!

[@athousandmiles1k]

Pharrell came close to something there...real ones know

[@TheKiddballer21]

This was smart, use mics and record everyone independently for quality while they're talking over zoom with headphones

[@LJ-SYLKI]

“It don’t got to smack you to kill you”

[@Therealhoneydip__]

Music used to flow through our body

[@canna-comedyculture5790]

I agree with Pharell in that technology is morally neutral and has the potential for both good and bad outcomes. He used cars as an example, but the same could be said about guns, or even fire. But, there are laws that regulate cars and guns in the interest of public safety and to hold those who use them to harm accountable for the damage that people do with them. You can't just leave a fire going after you are done camping. And if you do, you may be arrested for arson or held responsible financially for the damages you caused. We need to have some laws, or at least a general consensus of what is acceptable on the part of the public, that doesn't allow the people who make robots and artificial intelligence to be the only ones to determine what can be done. Because, while what actually currently can be done is concerning, what will be possible very soon will be overwhelming. Not everything that can be done; should be. And if we don't voice that as a group, we leave that up to Google, Microsoft, Tesla, and the CCP; which is like expecting the wolves to be good shepherds.

[@montanaproductions5559]

Ya we live in duality. Nothing is singular

[@sincere91005]

We will have one language once we explore all ideas

[@TrillyThough]

Lmao this shit is a straight up barbershop convo.

[@sirkareem]

Bro didn’t get it 😂

[@lowkey213]

You can never replace the raw human form in all it’s flaws in a moment in time. It might of been anger, desperation, bliss, drugs, or clarity. But your not recreating that same thing Tomarow. That’s why we still have instruments.

[@chaset.3249]

i need vinces hat

[@D33Hustle]

Oh so Pharrell tapped in… and actually speaking to truth !!! Great job my melanated brother

[@mreincome]

The Ill part about those robots they are talking about is they are already being programmed for combat rather than anything helpful

[@elijahoccenola]

Having that apple music logo on the top left makes this conversation even more eery and ironic.

[@icantbelieveitsnotbutter8851]

Have Vince in any conversation, and it will be interesting.

[@Tube-yo9tj]

What is this man with Pharrell like talking about lol I feel like we’re having conversations on different levels.

[@MyLane579]

media and the phones.

[@jayden7041]

✨✨

[@noahnipperus7320]

I'm here to listen to what Vince says

[@noahnipperus7320]

Pharrell and Robert Heinlein talking about the human interpersonal transition from horses to "cars" at the end of the 19th century is a treat I didn't expect!

[@TerianMack]

I’m proud to be currently creating the future, I’m an artist and also create AR experiences for music! We gotta create the future instead of just letting it happen! All my music is kid friendly and I’m an art teacher, saying this to say I love these conversations and we are shaping the future in a positive way rn!

[@Foxarocious]

That's the real key bc these innovations ARE NOT going to stop. The best we can do is improve ourselves individually and collectively to be able to handle this kind of power. Kudos to you for arming the next generation with knowledge

[@dallassegno]

gotta get those kids staring at screens real early

[@subwaysoundsnetwork]

where did Vince get the jacket from?

[@yamisukehiro2696]

Pharrel watched Moons video on Huawei :, )

[@john.upchurchiv]

i’m 17 i despise FaceTime, my people think it’s something wrong with me. literally. convinced me i was mental or something. yeah nah facetime ain it y’all the metal ones.

[@dr.strawberry5773]

aint that deep, facetime cool coz u get more "information" between passed. u only get so much with text and emojis, voice adds a little bit coz of small inflections n shit but body language adds so much. but then again, i really dont be FT anybody. its a couple ppl

[@luckytyson13]

I hear what Pharrell saying but no sir a robot not finna throw my grandma out a window

[@athousandmiles1k]

yeah, vince gets it.

[@void.lawyer]

"That's the problem: the arms and legs bro"

[@originalbabyd3578]

P x Famlay! 🤲🏿 ❤️

[@bgault]

algo brought me here feeling conflicted

[@hilow139]

we have the option to participate by sharing our info with our phone systems. we out here making choices now. i had to get an iphone, but i don't incorporate my personal data using siri, steps apps, etc. yes it's cool, but i know that corporations use the same tech for capitol gain. we all know this. let's stop helping progress and actualize things that we know we don't want in the grand scheme. yes AI is on it's way also, but we are very much still in the early stages of it where we have THE OPTION TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN IT'S PROGRESSION.