Phenom II X2 570 3.5 GHz - AMD's fastest AM3 Dual Core

[@mikey-ci2ud]

these older systems are more fun

[@FiLiMa_]

Phil! I love the equal love for AMD, Intel and occasional VIA CPUs! Keep up the good content!

[@natedunn51]

Always gotta give love to third place in the x86 cpus.

[@CommodoreFan64]

I really wish VIA would come back strong with a good low cost, but high performance APU style chip to give AMD, and Intel some competition, while giving good support to the Linux community with open drivers baked into kernel updates. From what I've read they are starting to do some stuff in China, so at least that's something.

[@Castaa]

Those Phenom's memory controller stock max support is DDR3 1333 Mhz. 1600 will work but it's technically an overclock setting. I ran an OC'ed Phenom 955 for years, up until last year in my main gaming rig. The 9x5 4-core CPUs can still do modern gaming in many cases but it's starting to show its age.

[@Rapanui5]

I have a Phenom II X2 555 which I brought in 2011 and I'm STILL using as my main computer (well, not enought money to buy another one). with 8 gb of ram, I did upgraded to a 120 gb ssd and last year I managed to save enought to change my old radeon 6790 for a radeon RX580. I unlocked a third core (there is a fourth one but that one it's faulty) and overclocked it to 4,1 ghz. I kept the overclock since 2013. I'm studying 3d modelling and animation and this processor holds pretty well for that. In Z-brush I can use 15 millons of polygons without problems. I have been playing Wolfestein the new order with max settings (altought there are some weird artifacts, for instance when I turn around quickly some textures seems to load in front of me). Also I play World of Tanks and World of Warships with max settings. The main hinder I encountered with this processor was trying to use Arnold render under 3ds max. Arnold requieres SSE4.1 instructions which this processor lacks. I managed to use a software emulator of SSE 4.1 and 4.2, however that makes the whole thing 8 times slower. If anyone wonders why I brought the RX580 its because my 6790 was failing and also I wanted to use radeon pro render which can use the GPU for rendering (also the CPU). I can say that the RX580 it's 22 times faster than the CPU when I render the same scene.

[@TheEternalUniverse]

If you are doing any sort of rendering, you really want to pick up any other processor. These phenoms are incredibly slow at 3d modelling. I tried to set up an old 965 X4 overclocked to 4ghz as a render node but it was just so slow at it even compared to modern 25w cpu's that it was not worth the electricity bill.

[@Rapanui5]

​@@TheEternalUniverse Actually I don't have money for that. Also, it annoyes me alot that I have to spend at least 500€ in something which would be better than my current setup (because for such investment to make any sense the new cpu + motherboard + 16 gb of DDR4 ram) should be at least twice as fast. In the school were I'm studying they are using Macs (I'm not sure which model) which has a 4 core processor (not sure if it's a 4 true one or 2 + 2 hyperthreading). I know they are I5's and 8 gb of ram. These computers are only marginally faster than mine in rendering (using Mental ray). Thats why I invested in an RX580 for use it with Radeon pro render (I have yet to find another render engine which uses an Ati GPU, Octane doesn't)

[@TheEternalUniverse]

@@Rapanui5 From my experience, when I got an AMD ryzen 5 1600 I tried to retire my x4 965 as a render node and i found it was around 3-6 times as slow as the ryzen at rendering, depending on whether certain features were used or not such as subsurface scatter.

[@elnian1266]

bro can you tell me your oc settings I have the same cpu

[@TheEternalUniverse]

@@elnian1266 Sure. How well yours will overclock is dependant on the chip, this is known as the "sillicon lottery", I happen to have a very good one so my voltages are low to maintain the overclock but yours may differ. 20x on the cpu multiplier to give 4ghz. 1.375v on vCore. Depending on how good your chip is you might have to push this up a bit more to get it stable. You can safely go to 1.45v without worry. I forget the multiplier on the HyperTransport, but I know it ran at 2200mhz. This is well worth doing and will increase the cpu's effective speed more than the cpu OC, but the 970 chipset runs extreamly hot even without OC so will need a fan pointing at it.

[@Mr_Meowingtons]

single thread performance still faster then bulldozer

[@youtuberobbedmeofmyname]

barely

[@MJ-uk6lu]

Not really

[@Mr_Meowingtons]

@@MJ-uk6lu yeah it is i tested this my self in cinebench even core to core it is..

[@dabombinablemi6188]

@Matt It really is just barely, a Phenom II X6 1100T at 4.216GHz has the same single threaded performance as an FX6300 at 4.515GHz (107CB). A Xeon E5440 however at 3.833GHz has 109CB. Source: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sxzGshuqVtFe_2zgRhN3gXCraR7d8p-NazJ6z0nsGGc/edit#gid=1

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@@Mr_Meowingtons It's pretty much the same

[@joannaatkins822]

Yet another fantastic video, you always make me want to go on and mess around with older hardware!

[@mdrumt]

Fast dual core is all you really need for XP era games. Great vid! I bought a Core 2 back in the day E6600 but built a few AMD build for friends great bang for buck!

[@jasongooden917]

Stay low and avoid contact if possible... BANG BANG..

[@ivanadrielmarchetto]

I've never told you, but thank you for your stereo recordings, it makes watching gameplays more fun ^.^ see you

[@NightMotorcyclist]

I originally thought about getting one when I finally jumped onto AM3 but then decided to get the cheaper Athlon II X4 as games were making use of more than two cores. I upgraded to an Athlon FX 6300 some years later and both processors were pretty capable with modern games.

[@thane_snipes]

I put an Athlon II X4 630 in my first rig for the same reason. Those two extra cores probably never became particularly relevant, but it was a damn good CPU for the money regardless.

[@bertnijhof5413]

I have a spare Phenom II X2 B59 running at 3.4GHz, I replaced it in my desktop with a Phenom II X4 B97 running at 3.2GHz. Both are intended as CPUs for business PCs, both run at 95W with temperatures below 70°C. Temperatures I love for old CPUs.

[@MaddyMURK]

Good) Thanks for review

[@geoshapka]

Мурк! Может и ты соберешь ретро пк для win xp?

[@kossmaloy2087]

My Phenom ii x2b55 was unlocked in Athlon ii x4 555 . And it works great on 3,4 ghz !))

[@panch0labase694]

me to but i have unlock and oc 3.9 max

[@shiva_MMIV]

As always the fastest parts command a premium, the Phenom II X2 570 cost 25€ while you can buy a 555 (3.2Ghz instead of 3.5) for 9€ 😉

[@jimpyle99]

Second best typically has the best value for retro PC gaming.

[@Bitonio]

In the past, I've OC an AMD 965BE to 5.2ghz with hr02 aircooling. Amazing how this CPUs can support very high clock and voltage !

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

An awesome little cpu, had it a few years ago in a computer.

[@CommodoreFan64]

These CPU are still good for some budget Linux builds with 8GB of RAM running a distro like Mint 19 Mate, and a decent low cost/power GPU like an AMD R7 240 2GB, just update to the latest kernel drivers via Ukuu, and use Compton as the window compositor.

[@armorgeddon]

Compton, which is really good, on GTK based distributions, KWin on others.

[@kthmhg]

1nsane?? I Iove this game. Today i buy my first retro pc from 1994 with 486 umc 40MHz procesor, 8MB of ram, graphic card Trident 1mb and disc 244MB. Nobody used them last 20 years ;-)

[@armorgeddon]

Very nice! Make sure the battery isn't leaking and won't in the future!

[@BlueSkyDefender]

I loved my 1055T with an overclock close to 4.0ghz. The Problem with a 1055t is that it had to use BLK OCing. But, my trusty MSI 990fxa-GD80 Mobo Handled that well. Man, I used that processor up to 2012. I could have honestly used it longer. This processor and board would be fun to do testing with again.

[@PorscheRacer14]

Used to run my 1055T in overclocking competitions till my Gigabyte UD6 started acting weird...or injured from past wars. At least I could say it was acting up from something I did unlike my Intel X79 and X99 builds after that. With IME bugs, Vtd issues and Spectre/Meltdown it's been pretty depressing the instability on stock builds with no overclocking.

[@armorgeddon]

IME really is cancer. I recently ditched an ITX board from Intel just because of that. I tried removing ME with that removal tool available but discovered than on that board the process also needed soldering which I'm not into sadly. I bought a used AMD system instead.

[@johannsmith5697]

You're always synchronised with my projects, uncanny, you must be the retro spirit

[@playtech7165]

Great vid as always! I could not afford an intel i3/i5 processor in the past (The motherboard + microprocessor was considerably more expensive) so I had several amd Phenom, X2, X4 and X6 (which I still have it in my secondary pc) and work great! I currently have an FX8350 but I am not very happy with it. It consumes a lot of voltage and as a consequence, it heats up a lot, I had to put a high-end cooler to maintain decent temperatures. I would like to have an i5 8400

[@armorgeddon]

Please stay on the red side! Intel needs opposition and the AMD Zen CPUs are great.

[@BlackCatRedScarf]

Recently I just got a Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition for dirty cheap that came with a replacement motherboard for my brother's computer. I guess I'm going to try to build a small system with that. My brother runs a Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition, 8GB 1333Mhz RAM and a Radeon 7670.

[@leegsy]

I have that CPU also, with 8GB DDR3 RAM & a RX 550 4GB GPU. Still handles a lot of modern games at decent settings at 1080 resolution.

[@MickdeRaad]

GPU is the bottleneck there.

[@GzeeBRII]

I sold one few days ago. It had an ECS A790GXM-AD3. Really good processor. It was on my 7yo daughter PC, she played nearly anything in it.

[@aemerox5773]

I own a Phenom II x4 955 and those CPU's are bad when it comes to OCing and they often crash the system beyond 3.8 Ghz. I did, however, did manage to OC the darn thing beyond 3.9Ghz close to 4Ghz. I recommend anyone who is trying to OC this CPU to use water cooling. If you're not OCing it's a good CPU for gaming on XP and beyond. Just make sure you have a Mother Board that supports DDR3 instead of DDR2. You're more likely to lose performance if your motherboard doesn't support DDR3 1333Mhz.

[@vegetarierfurtierschutz8931]

I have an overclocked Athlon II X2 270 with the same Gskill RAM on a MSI 890 board. It is working fantastic with Windows XP untill today.

[@ShibaInuClassical]

i really miss creative eax/cmss3d in games, it's almost 2019 and they still have not done sound effects like that in newest games

[@indexMemories]

I was replaying Crysis and boy oh boy one of not so many things that utilizes my 5.1 setup from 2007. Especially those jets flying around.It's really impressive and surprising. I sometimes forget that I have 2 speakers behind me.

[@AFPMPU]

those locked cores probably needs more voltage than what's offered on stock so adding a bit more voltage would've make it stable.

[@Rapanui5]

I'm using a Phenom II X2 X555 myself. I unlocked two extra cores, but only one it's functional. If I try to use the fourth one I get an inmediate blue screen in windows 7. Not even increasing the voltage +0.5V can fix this.

[@cybercat1531]

Bit of a tip - with Phenom chips - particularly unlocked ones. Try changing the FSB instead of entirely relying on the multiplier. FSB clock increases can increase the speed of the entire processor pipeline & caches - not just the internal core.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yup I'm aware of this, but I'm really not into overclocking, so I appreciate the simple OC with the unlocked multiplier :D

[@cybercat1531]

@@philscomputerlab Thanks for the reply. Only thing to look out for with FSB Overclocking is memory ratios. You already have a decent fast memory kit that has the necessary headroom for FSB tuning. :)

[@Mini-z1994]

​@@philscomputerlab Worth trying too reach 2.4 ghz northbridge & ht link speed while lowering the multiplier & memory speed at the same cpu clock speed you can gain an additional 10 - 15% performance.

[@pragavirtual]

best performance gain comes by ocing the nb core, stock is 2000, 2500ish is the sweet spot, ht link doesnt matter much. They are also very good undervolters

[@MunkeyChips]

On the subject of Crysis, you are correct about it being good on modern systems. The GOG version runs nearly flawlessly on my Win10 PC. i5-4690k/GTX 1070. They only problem is v-sync and fullscreen. It sees my monitor and locks the refresh rate to 24Hz; "Alt+Enter" fixes the issue but then I can't run DSR, only native 1080p.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea it's a bug with HDMI monitors. I use DVI for 60 Hz all times.

[@MunkeyChips]

@@philscomputerlab good to know, thanks!

[@alexandreconfiant-latour2757]

2:09 Aside from the great review (as usual !) The NFS gameplay made me realize how it must be weird for UK or Australian gamers to be forced ingame to drive on the right...

[@Saintbow]

I'm Currently building two of these systems. I have two cpus in bound as we speak, both black edition, as one is a triple core that fingers crossed will convert into quad core and I got a quad core that will convert into a 6 core. Now I am pairing the soon to be quad core with 8 gigs of 1800 ram that I got on sale and the soon to be 6 core will get a over kill of 16 gigs. Both Asus boards but one is more gentleman and that's for the pre 4 core while the 6 core is getting a older but still can throw down full on gaming board with full over clock features for everything. Both vid card for each systems are GeForce gtx 560. I'm going to use one as a whipping mule and the pre 6 core is my pet project, I want to see if I can build a little system that can hang with my main unit so I can have a little battle box that I can bring over my friend house and do our old retro gaming weekends before everyone ran off and got married 15 years ago. Pardon the shotty typing, trying to do this on a touch screen.

[@dabombinablemi6188]

I prefer to run as high a FSB as possible, with the lowest multiplier possible. I always end up with far better performance than if I'd done a straight up multiplier overclock, especially with retro systems.

[@armorgeddon]

True and I can deal with the possible sideeffects by finetuning *apart* from data corruption so my question is: do the SATA & IDE controllers get effected (run out of spec) by increasing the FSB on AM3 platforms?

[@tucker21222]

Windows XP will always have a big place in my heart just because it was so easy to use and it still works for older software like F-16 multi-role fighter an F-22 lightning 3 and a bunch of other games I admit though not every game Works without some minor adjustment I also have some what is a similar system only minds more OEM Hack and Slash I have an SSD in one of the core 2 dual core I really haven't run into any issues as far as the SSD itself probably at some point in time I will probably rewrite everything but Windows XP seems to run pretty okay and fast especially on an SSD well as always thanks a bunch for all the great videos

[@iVan123]

6:02 "Stay low an-" BAM BAM BAM

[@bestopinion9257]

I have a Phenom II X2 550. The motherboard is also high end (for its time) with 4 PCIe for double crossfire. Two HD 4850 GeCube Radeon. 6 GB DDR2. But I have to buy a PSU to make it run.

[@HH-fs5hl]

These still can be great for some gaming id bet itll run even some of today's title with some tweaking here and there with enough ram and a quite beefy card :)

[@CommodoreFan64]

Unless we are talking about some low end laptop/netbook AMD APU's they have rarely failed to impress me over the years when looking at their cost to performance ratios, and longevity of the platforms the CPU are on. AMD overall in my eyes truly is the value king for both old school, and modern builds. For a good example as an early Christmas gift my mother wanted to get me something for fixing her lawnmower, and AC unit this year, so I went on eBay, and found a Lenovo Thinkpad X140e for $80 USD, upgraded the ram to 8GB of DDR3L slapped Linux Mint 19 Mate on it, and have even been able to run a decent number of games via STEAM at 720p on it with the AMD A4-5000 APU, and I power though daily use office work, KZbin, etc.. with ease. my only issues thus far have been VGA/HDMI out to an external monitor, but that's a Linux display driver issue I hope gets resolved quickly in the new Kernel driver updates.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

This is stunningly similar to my phenom build. Mine is a phenom ii 965, with a radeon 7770 and freed up my old xfi xtremegamer sound card for it. I do have a patched windows xp iso so i could in theory max it out with 32gb of system ram for that purpose. At the moment trying to do a hardware trade to get a 750 ti gpu to upgrade with it. I had wanted to try for a 1055t or 1065t, but the board would only work with the 95w version of the 6 corr processors. China wanted $95 usd for one. I found the 965 locally for $20. So, the quad won.

[@bodoraron9189]

Good to see that somebody else also know 1nsane. Very well made hungariam retro game IMO.

[@armorgeddon]

The game is great fun in LAN!

[@danielson9579]

Nice parts pairing.

[@pierregrobbelaar9116]

I like the old generation setups you d.1 Setup i would like is a dos setup.I know it's easy to install dosbox etc.But a true dos system would bring back the nostalgia.Stuff like monty and wizardry series in dos was the baws.

[@philscomputerlab]

There are a TON of DOS videos on the channel :D Just run a search and you should find some good hits.

[@TheUnexpected6]

Impressive how these games can still look so good with just a little anisotropic filtering and extra graphical tweaks. These game benchmarks actually brought me some nostalgia hahaha. Especially with that NFS PSP game

[@laharl2k]

The only downside about the Phenom II is the low IPC performance. My 1055T @ 3.5GHz does relatively well but it shows, and while it compensates with its 6 cores, i'd love to upgrade to a x6 ryzen chip.

[@retropcscotland4645]

But does it Run Tomb Raider?

[@NowaczekYT]

I am really glad that AMD is back on track with CPUs and Intel has to at least start trying now.

[@TheBeach14]

My first computer I ever bought was a hp with a amd athlon 2 x4 645

[@TheBigupz]

i had the 555, and with some core unlocker it was a great chip

[@pesho9971]

I have a sempron 145 that unlock to a athlon x2 and can be overclocked to 3.8GHz but only at 1.55-1.65(i don't remember).I had it as high as 1.8V and it still runs.

[@PainterVierax]

I never pushed my Athlon II x2 270 to more than 1.4V and achieved 4GHz. But the power usage wasn't my taste so I finally prefered to undervolt at stock BCLK.

[@pesho9971]

The high voltage is necessary for the unlock.I have a Regor core.

[@PainterVierax]

I knew the 145 was a castrated dual core and I already guessed the out of spec voltage for some locked cores but I never tried to push the voltage that high. I don't know how much voltage is advised to not go over on those chips. Looks like I should try to push further to reach more than 235 BCLK

[@pesho9971]

Older parts(on older nodes) are more forgiving(or im just lucky).I tried to do 1.8V on a athlon x3 435(i think) and it died :D

[@matthewday7565]

Was it fail to unlock, or unlock fail to run? Also, to balance 1600 memory, it's useful to raise the NB frequency - can usually hit 2200MHz at stock volts, but 2400MHz (same ratio as to 1333 RAM) tends to need a few clicks on CPU/NB volts - I think my 965BE needed 4 clicks … I've now de-overclocked it as I had to give it a somewhat inferior PSU as the best one went to my new build (and it's also running with only a 4 pin in the 8 pin)

[@NickeP86]

Nice setup! What chassi did you use for this project? Greetings!

[@philscomputerlab]

I use an open test bench in all my videos!

[@homelessEh]

landed a 1045t.. to step up from the x3 720 phenom2 mildly satisfying knowing i doubled the cpus capabilities albeit only in multi threaded scenarios. but the turbocore is an interesting thing but is a rarity to see it activate. most stuff is using what ever cores it wants i rarely see a 3 core workload stressed long enough to see turbocore.. note to self try disabling 3 cores and see if it can be forced.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice!

[@Mini-z1994]

Bought a used phenom II x6 1090t in 2015 for my rig at the time upgrading from a phenom II x4 955 running at 3.9 ghz, dad now has it along with my r9 280, smacks most games around easily still on medium - high settings.

[@puneetbhagat4537]

Im getting dual core am3 pc under 50$< should I buy it for upgradation or choose other? All parta are very old

[@NexusFantismo]

Ah yes, now back to the stuff that I like : retro tech.

[@The_TermiGator]

I have a Phenom II x4 945 cpu with GTX 760 gpu. But I'm not playing windows xp era games... lol Y'all are calling my pc a retro system 🤣 It's served me well for the past 6 or so years, and I'm finally building a new pc this year. Maybe the old hardware can eventually go into a custom NAS build.

[@armorgeddon]

I think Phenom II supports ECC memory, so when your mainboard does too it would make a great NAS apart from the energy consumption. Btw despite having faster components lying around I'm also still running the X4 945 which I bought in 2011. I run it fanless even since day 1, just cooled by the case's rear fan and the PSU fan. The mainboard is a Gigabyte GA-880GA-UD3H and also trouble free so far.

[@SuperCookieGaming_]

you could have raised the voltage

[@matthewplehn4271]

Phil have you ever featured a video focusing on SLI and/or Crossfire?..what games benefit what games dont and the best cards to do a setup with?..just a thought

[@Ininale]

The video is awesome but I think u should try to install some kinda software for monitoring (MSI Afterburner for example). I think it will work on WinXP

[@philscomputerlab]

On XP I just stick with Fraps for simplicity.

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

You can get the PHENOM 2 X6, the m2n68-la (Narra3) GL8E would have been a better bet as you would not need the graphics card as there is one integrated into the graphics card but one little problem there is a built in Hardware Firewall but the software driver code has to be rewritten as it is very buggy.

[@joohop]

Hello Phil I'm Looking For A Dual Monitor Output Graphic's Card To Go With A Core 2 Duo Can You Help Please ?

[@GiSWiG]

Curious. I'm getting my XP machine ready for the Steam deadline, what do you think: X-Fi Platinum Fata1ity Champoin w/ front bay I/O or base level X-Fi Titanium PCIe. Yeah its pizzazz vs. meh but what about sound quality, EMU20K1 vs. EMU20K2 and backwards support for EAX 4 and lower?

[@philscomputerlab]

I like using the Titanium PCIe, it's my favourite card. I do have some variant of the Fata1ity, but I don't know if it actually adds anything.

[@dave4shmups]

Great video as always Phil! Can you even run Windows 10 at all on this CPU?

[@philscomputerlab]

Yes you can, but modern games run poorly.

[@GiSWiG]

See how low you can push the timings on the RAM. Lower timings at lower speed is better than a stock higher speed. My 7-7-7-20 @ 1600 RAM runs faster at 6-6-6-18 @ 1333. Lovin the Phenom videos. Out of all CPUs Phenoms were my favorite next to my Athlon XP.

[@cmr2079]

Does onboard audio put any drain on the CPU? I still remember the days of software modems.

[@philscomputerlab]

A little bit, but with such a strong CPU, it's almost nothing.

[@babylondrifter5612]

AMD Phenom II X4 b95 i think it is but i have a hp biz box so no overclock

[@boloking18]

I have a 960t you can have unlocks to x6

[@s1nn3rSIN]

Awesome. Can you make some video with agp video with a double or quad core cpu (doesn't matter amd or intel), I heard asrock loved to make some crazy mobo with modern socket and agp slot :)

[@armorgeddon]

Those ASRock mainboards were very limited in compatibility though. Only certain AGP cards were guaranteed to work for example.

[@spavatch]

Now for X6 1100T :)

[@greggregson9687]

Hi Phil, do you know if these XP machines with later hardware have issues playing late win98/early xp games? I have an AM3 mobo spare, along with a choice of pII 940 or a similar core to the one used in this video. Otherwise I can go for an earlier Athlon 64 build.

[@philscomputerlab]

Too broad of a question, so my answer is: it depends 😆😀

[@jangelelcangry]

6:31 The Phenom II is NFSU friendly.

[@jangelelcangry]

This is a nice Xp machine but imagine a Sandy/Ivy Bridge system. OC or not it will fly.

[@playtech7165]

I just build a retro gamer XP machine. E8600 + 4gb DDR3 + GeForce GTX 550 TI, SSD 120gb. Works great

[@Escape3000]

Cool!! I have a very old laptop ( fujitsu lifebook c2210 ) it's a P4-M 2ghz with 512mb of ram ( 480mb in real, 32mb is on the onboard gpu ) with win xp pro and a 30gb hdd. What is the best game for this laptop??

[@Callagwhan]

CS 1.6

[@Escape3000]

What is CS 1.6 ?

[@Callagwhan]

@@Escape3000 Counter Strike 1.6

[@ravajaxe]

The fastest AM3 processor is in fact the Athlon II X2 280. This real dual core model runs a bit faster, at 3.6 GHz, and while lacking the 6 megabytes L3 cache of the Phenom, boasts twice the L2 cache, with 2 * 1 MB. This increase of L2 cache partially compensates the lack of L3 cache, which in the Phenom architecture, is unfortunately very slow and quite inefficient. Speaking of efficiency, the humble Athlon II X2 has much lower power consumption : ~50W vs ~70W (measured, not the official TDP) At identical frequency, the Athlon has about 95 % the performance of the Phenom II X2, which is very good. So the Athlon II X2 is a real bargain. The only real disadvantage is the lack of an unlocked multiplier for a quick and easy overclocking.

[@petermilsom1109]

Fair comment. I have been using a 260 for the past 8 years. OC is possible only by increasing base clock (easy on my Asus AM3 board).

[@philscomputerlab]

I'm sure that the 6MB L3 cache beats the 100 MHz faster Athlon.

[@giannebaron6139]

Nice, its such a waste that you cant unlock the cores on this CPU. Anyways, nice video as always!

[@joncarter3761]

Tbh overclocking isn't that dangerous as long as you have a new motherboard with decent VRM and more than 4 power phases. Just don't leave your voltages on auto

[@GodOfGamingBG]

can you pit phenom 2 against core 2 and nehalem for some winXP games?

[@philscomputerlab]

Such comparisons are double to triple the work. But I tend to use most of the same games, so you can make comparisons that way. I'll try to use the same settings in future videos!

[@igorbog88]

its faster or same as core2

[@drfunkenstein2k]

Phil, I have this same processor with a GTX 750 Ti on a Asus M3N72-D which is AM2+. I have 8gb of Samsung M378T5663EH3-CF7 2GB PC2-6400U-666-12-E3 2Rx8 800MHz. I Do not have a PSU yet, but how do you think this will run? What PSU did you run here?

[@philscomputerlab]

Nothing fancy is required, a decent 450 or 500 will be fine

[@CougarCat21]

Will Windows 7 Ultimate be suitable? I mostly run these old CPUs like Core 2 Duos & AMD AM2 & AM3 on Windows 7 OS.

[@foobar-9k]

A bit late, but... yeah... I run Win 10 1909 on an Athlon II X2 with a GT1030, and works great! (Used Win7 without problems before too).

[@timpeng4418]

Would like to see Haswell running Windows XP :P

[@philscomputerlab]

Watch the previous video!

[@melodyze6247]

that setup can run Witcher 3 at a solid 35fps though... if that had 8gb ddr3, youd be able to run some decent games like overwatch at 50 - 60fps, wow, diablo 3, witcher 3.

[@philscomputerlab]

Not with just 2 cores, performance really suffers.

[@fuzzy987321]

The AliExpress links don't seem to work for me?

[@philscomputerlab]

Which one?

[@UpLateGeek]

Being firmly in the Intel camp back in the day, I never really paid much attention to these AMD processors, and I was wondering how this would compare to competing Intel processors. But looking at the lists of processors around at the time, I'm not really sure what would've been competing with it. Intel didn't really have any highly-clocked dual core parts, their dual core i3s were all lower-clocked, whereas their higher-clocked i5 and i7 processors were all quad core. And I have no idea what would've been competing on price. Also a quick update on the Q9550 I mentioned in the comments on your previous 775 video, the motherboard boots fine with a P4 520, and the BIOS looks up to date, so I guess there's a problem with the chip. Looking at the prices on ebay and aliexpress, not sure what'd be the best value alternative, or if it's even worth trying to resurrect this system (it allegedly has a windows 10 license activated for it).

[@philscomputerlab]

There are some fast Core 2 Duo CPUs which we will take a look at soon :)

[@markaz2kk]

im using processor in my pc rig which can take am3 and am3+. this chip max's out 60fps on all vidiya cards i have, gt 560, gt1050, and 9650,

[@helvehammer7846]

*Hey, Phil ! DID THEY MAKE 98se CHIPSET DRIVERS FOR THAT BOARD ? * You think it would give my Intel 915/925 Socket 775 Pentium IV Extreme Edition any competition for "fastest hardware that can run Windows 98 second edition Natively" ?

[@philscomputerlab]

Nope, no 98 drivers for AM3.

[@shynodaa]

NB разогнать не судьба?

[@philscomputerlab]

English please!

[@mzs9293]

I have phenom ii x2 555 ,can run Gta V ...not bad.

[@Escape3000]

How to activate windows xp, i dont have a key.

[@armorgeddon]

Buy a key, it should cost only cents.

[@PierreVonStaines]

No way I was just looking at purchasing a Phenom II! 1st BTW. ;)

[@philscomputerlab]

Haha, you're too fast :)

[@PierreVonStaines]

@@philscomputerlab Just like the Phenom II!

[@rahulsawant_pikachu]

6:02 NPC : Stay low and avoid contact if possible you don't really want to alert.... Proceeds to shoot xD *gunshots* *explosions*

[@Stermy57HW]

4.0ghz with only 1.3v?

[@nguyenhophat9095]

Can I play pubg with x4 9950?

[@PorscheRacer14]

*Watching video* AMD boards from that era don't support XMP, you have to put timings in manually *Watches Phil put timings in manually just as I thought that* Oh yah, what am I thinking now Phil?! Quit reading my mind!! :D

A moderately overclocked 750 Ti will perform the same as a GTX 480.

[@SlowRider__]

I play gta 5 and pubg 2gb amd radeon 6570 graphic card and amd phenom x2 black edition fps 40 or 50.

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

AM3+ i dare u :P there is some AM3+ boards which has IDE support like some of tha Gigabyte boards i own one of em and with AM3+ u can do some FX chips with Windows XP projects too also tha system preforms great but i was not surprised Crysis struggled after all, it's Crysis lol

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea, everything struggles with Crysis...

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

@@philscomputerlab i kinda wonder how it would run with a future build i'm building with a Core i7 4790k would fair with Crysis lol i can't wait to see if i get it built i'm just a few parts away from gettin' it completely built

[@philscomputerlab]

It should run well, but not sure about staying above 60 at all times.

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

@@philscomputerlab yea cause i have a GTX 960 sure it's more than capable, but stayin' above 60fps all tha time with my 4790k build if i get it built, yea not quite there yet, unless i fork up tons of money to get a GTX 1080ti or maybe a GTX 980ti would do but even those cards has a heavy Premium price even if tha 980ti is cheaper than a 1080ti but not by much lol

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

@@philscomputerlab never mind i kinda did see Crysis still strugglin with tha 1080ti paired with a i7 4790k at a constant 60fps on some parts but not as bad :O they tested it out in 1080p kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIK5aoGBadKnn5o

[@absolutely0bsolete330]

Bit overkill for a windows xp build I have 4gb of ram and a 256mb graphic card with a dule core and it runs most early 2000 titles like crazy. Though I am going a phenom 2 build for 2004 to 2010 games with a hd4870 ans 4 gigs of ram.

[@nikolakarovic5964]

It isnt about luck...U cant unlock 570 and later stocks of 550 etc.

[@philscomputerlab]

Oh snap. I must have been using the wrong list then. Which models do you recommend? I have a 555 and that one unlocks just fine.

[@nikolakarovic5964]

@@philscomputerlab First series of 555 are good and first series of 960t ( unlocks in x6 ). That 570 come later and they were all natural dualcores. ( x3 445 etc are good for unlocking in phenom B ) That was so long ago that I really need time to find list with good and bad serial numbers.

[@philscomputerlab]

I see, wasn't aware of that. The thing is with getting CPUs from AliExpress, I don't think you can pick serial numbers. Although I never asked.

[@nikolakarovic5964]

@@philscomputerlab for 960t its important , for 560-570 it isnt they cant unlock ...some of 550 are defective (only 3 cores on some , no l3 cash etc )

[@werehyenataur]

get to the point please, which is the best a3 processor? looking to compete against a core 2 duo for a cool video

[@Skracken]

Hah! I'm still running a socket AM3 computer. 1100T!

[@Stefan.Stefanov]

I hope you know that XP isn't support TRIM on SSDs and the life on the SSD with XP installed is more short than others (SSD + Win7, 8, 10)

[@Blzut3]

With modern SSDs TRIM support dosen't matter nearly as much as it used to. Pretty much all, if not all, drive have enough over-provisioning that outside of benchmarks specifically testing for it you shouldn't notice slowdown. The over provisioning allow wear leveling/garbage collection to work pretty much as well as it would with TRIM support. SSDs are growing in popularity in data centers and for the most part TRIM is not used there. This isn't to say that having TRIM support wouldn't be more optimal, but it's not he end of the world if it doesn't exist. Basically these days you can look at the total TB written endurance rating and apply it to any work load. Given that retro machines aren't used 24/7 I don't think there's anything to worry about using an SSD for a retro system. Note that none of this necessarily applies to CF or SD cards, but if one is using those they're probably doing so mostly for the ease of imaging anyway. That said I do believe Windows XP has a background process that's supposed to optimize the location of files to speed things up. I don't know much about it but if one were to use an SSD with XP for more than just quick benchmarking it would probably be worthwhile to look into SSD optimization guides to turn off features that do nothing when used on an SSD.

[@PainterVierax]

TRIM is used in datacenters, it's just that Linux supports command to enable TRIM and not running it on the fly. So you just put a cronjob with a fitrim script to avoid slowing the service during high-demand hours. Another problem using XP is security concern : you'd better use an updated Linux desktop with games running on Wine.

[@Blzut3]

@@PainterVierax hardware RAID controllers don't pass through TRIM. Some might be able to do it in RIAD 0/1/10, but I don't think I've seen any controller support TRIM on RAID 5/6. I can tell you that TRIM is not enabled on the SSDs that I've deployed at work and they've operated a database workload 24/7 for 3 years with very low failure rate.

[@PainterVierax]

Were I work fileservers just use software RAID to avoid downtimes and facilitate migrations.

[@armorgeddon]

On XP you just need to turn of that optimization Bizut3 already mentioned plus the automatic defragmentation. It also helps to manually create the partition for XP before installing the OS because the XP installer doesn't align partitions correctly. I used my very first SSD, Intel X25-M 80 GB I bought in 2010 in Windows XP before upgrading to Windows 7 and Linux. That SSD is still running strong with 5 reallocated sectors used daily in my HTPC. I only bought Intel SSDs until 2011 and Crucial SSDs after that for myself and customers. No SSD retired so far. Great value despite the high prices in the beginning.

[@louistournas120]

Wow 4.0 GHz. Very few Phenom II and Athlon II can reach that number. That seems to be the max for this CPU generation.

[@werehyenataur]

If you need a AM3, go with the 6-core 3.7Ghz AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition - HDE00ZFBK6DGR / HDE00ZFBGRBOX tinyurl.com/6pvtofg tinyurl.com/yb49vyt6

[@fr4gl3]

XP32bits só usa 3gb acho.

[@firmans4435]

how about gta v ?

[@philscomputerlab]

Don't have that game.