Is Clive REALLY the next Noctis?

[@plus_James]

whats up phidx, its guys

[@wojijiwojiji4009]

godly comment

[@SabreBreh]

guys checking in

[@arpadszabo661]

Fun fact. His trailer already surpassed Eddie’s in 2 days in both views and likes. Don’t let anyone tell you that Clive was a bad choice Warning: gaslight lords below

[@arglebargle5531]

As a reminder, an individual saying that something is a bad choice isn't necessarily commenting on popularity.

[@TheJakeJackson]

Fun fact: McDonald's outsells any other restaurant on earth on any given day. Make good choices 😉

[@stefanjuarez6565]

@@arglebargle5531as a reminder, anyone saying Clive is a bad choice, has no clue about the Tekken franchise as a whole.

[@arglebargle5531]

@stefanjuarez6565 that is a non-opinion

[@TheJakeJackson]

As a reminder, anyone saying something such as, oh I don't know... "Tifa would have been a better choice", for example, is not automatically saying Clive is a bad choice. This is fun! Let's do more of these once you've all actually fought the new ranked Clives.

[@Xanek]

Only a fraction of Clive's moveset looks similar to Noctis, but he has so much more uniqueness that people are focusing less on.

[@billycollins5033]

This video seems to be asking the question: "Is a T8 character similar to a T7 character?" and so of course the answer is "no." It needs to ask, "Is Clive who Noctis would have been had he been in T8?" The answer to that question is a bit more complex, I think, than a flat "no."

[@cylen-csgo4085]

Spot on

[@alexonstott4954]

They seem about the same as Nina and Anna or King and armor King

[@jameji_phd]

A bit more complex but still also boils down to "no", especially after seeing how much effort the team put in to make Clive play like he does in his own game. Having played both final fantasy 16 and final fantasy 15, Clive and noctis played very differently in their games, and maybe the mid-range sword person might be an archetype that they share, put overall if the Dev team was still using the same philosophy they used for Clive this time around then it would be very different still

[@soarinduscai]

I'm ngl clive seems like a brawler version of noctis. He seems way more mixup heavy even if they play in the same range. Also, it would have been hilarious if they doubled down on the isekai situation, having clive wearing modern clothes and swinging like a pipe or bat but still having the magic and what not. But I guess thats what customization is for lol

[@rodrigopalmerin]

U mean miguel

[@syaredzaashrafi1101]

@@rodrigopalmerin i main miguel. but since he's not in T8, a Miguel with sword will do

[@Aabil11]

But the comparison we're all waiting for: Tekken 7 had Noctis going fishing with Lars, what's Clive gonna do??

[@Xavier-ns2ic]

chilling with leroy at a dog park

[@stefanjuarez6565]

Idk man i just want Clive to get something happy in the Tekken franchise after his mostly miserable life in FFXVI

[@NeloAlberto16]

Play date for Torgal and Sugar

[@osdragonblast3305]

Hang out with Leroy and Xiaoyu while Torgal, Panda, and Sugar have a playdate

[@liamroma3677]

Chill with Leroy and their dogs or just chill and have a convo with jin

[@sakimiyanaga6251]

Some people call Noctis Jin 2.0. I call Clive Miguel with a sword.

[@JiooguProductions]

In a game where each character has 100+ moves there will be alot of similiarities anyway. You can take any 2 characters and they´re going to have some overlap, either in animation or properties, or both

[@inzanity490]

Exactly, it always annoys me when they reveal a new character, has one move that is similar in animation to a move from an OG character that isn't added yet, and people be like "Does this mean *OG character* is not returning?" "Did they replace *OG character*?" "This character is clone of *OG character*" Tekken characters only have 4 limbs, there's only so many ways to make them move without looking weird, and similar archetypes will of course inevitably have similar animations.

[@ametozukumazu6073]

From TT round 2 showcase: Clive's df1,2 isn't NC(hp dmg color disappeared after df1) and have ch guaranteed 3rd hit wall splat(hp color didn't disappeared between 2nd and 3rd hits) 2 from 3,2,Torgal is knd and NC, my guess is Torgal is gonna prevent you from doing wall combo(like Hei df3,1+2,1). Also, Clive orbital seems like Azu's u4. It's also faster/crushes lows for less frames than regular orbitals.

[@StyleshStorm]

Tomorrow?! Fastest DLC launch for a fighting game character ever.

[@MTR_Nara]

Idk, but imma main him since I mained Noctis and I like Final fantasy lol

[@ToothPickThaGod]

Same, who have you currently been maining? I Mained Miguel in T7 and T8 I’ve played everyone lol currently on Jack 8

[@BaldLezB_In]

@@ToothPickThaGodall NPCs “main” what is new/popular.

[@ToothPickThaGod]

@@BaldLezB_In you mad?

[@TheFather-ih3ik]

So real, loved FFXVI as much as XV, so I'm definitely maining Clive when he releases

[@aokyoutsuki7744]

​@@BaldLezB_Inew partisanship

[@90sPotato]

😂 so cause Clive has a weapon and has moves that keep in mind almost every tekken character has something similar albeit done with their hands somehow makes him into Noctis? Zafina has a dash attack that goes dramatic, Akuma had air strings, Leo has a df1, 2 extension that is literally just Noctis but with his hands. The tekken fans get salty for no reason

[@arpadszabo661]

Tekken fans crashing out about Clive being a Noctis clone while having 4 Mishima characters in the game (5 if i want to reach with Kuma) who actually share a lot of moves unlike… Clive and Noctis who doesn’t lmao

[@Manley156]

Using that same 'logic' of "almost every Tekken character has something similar albeit done with their hands" would imply that ultimately each and every character is the same and there is nothing to differentiate them from one another. No salt at all, but he clearly bears a resemblance to Noctis

[@90sPotato]

@Manley156 fundamentally, a lot of characters share similar moves, from animation to how it even works with the difference only being in frame data. All the Mishimas share similar moves, and that's because they all practice the same martial arts. Most final fantasy characters share similar moves because they come from a world where people largely use giant swords, elements(materia), and Eikons or Eidolons, depending on which you prefer. While he has similar moves, the disparoty between him Noctis is even more impressive than the difference between the Mishimas or at least just as good.

[@90sPotato]

@Manley156 whilst you have a very story point, as the above guy mentioned. If we get a 6, 7th Mishima in this game with an electric or hellsweep, almost no one would complain. Secondly, the tekken cast share similarities across the board with the only difference between frame data and movement speed. Clive and Noctis while sharing similarities are clearly very different characters. In the tekken world the Mishimas are completely fine despite having same moveset. Clive and Noctis come from a world where people use giant swords and magic, of course there would be similarities.

[@Flarestorm]

My ps5 is going to have a heart attack playing this character.

[@ErmiGultro]

Lmao, i’m probably going to set the effect setting to low because our ps5 will be fine but i don’t want to believe it’d be healthy for our eyes to look at this a lot

[@peza.]

If it can run ffxvi then it can run this

[@JJ-Toreddie]

Well that means it's time to get the Pro

[@arpadszabo661]

@@JJ-Toreddie Not even Clive is gonna make me get a pro though lmao. At that point i’m building a pc instead

[@naimesissensei2763]

Imagine playing a mirror Clive 😂😂

[@Tbowskies]

This character plays like a hybrid of Noctis and Negan.

[@yagami999913]

I'm a hardcore Final Fantasy fan who didn't enjoy FF16. But i'd be a mindless hater if i didn't aknowledge the CRAZY amount of work they put into Clive for T8. Really can't wait to try him out in a fighting game context.

[@HakaishinCat]

Noctis combos were what got me really watching tekken 7, they always looked cool and he looked great moving around and doing stuff in the game. Im feeling that clive's moves looks pretty good and cool as well and hoping he feels good to play too/

[@servianx394]

My wish is just that Clive will bring more new players to Tekken 8. I love this game and I want as much people playing as possible. And btw Clive looks awesome imo

[@Lemonpeppergoblin]

Here's hoping, I would be fine eother way for Clive or Tifa, Clive looks like a fun addition while I think Tifa would have trouble standing out amongst other female Tekken characters IMO. The constant T8 dooming and hate bandwagon is getting tiring at this point.

[@servianx394]

@Lemonpeppergoblin It will pass sooner or later like any other hate bandwagon. Tekken is doing very good. They wouldn't decide to announce a new playable character at the main TGA program if it wasn't profitable for them. Space at game awards is very expensive, and they announced a single dlc character. Not a huge expansion or entirely new game. Single character. Tekken must be still printing money imo.

[@AbdullahMikalRodriguez]

This game fucking blows. All the Tekken vets hate it and the noons to Tekken love it... sucks.

[@servianx394]

@@AbdullahMikalRodriguez yea yea ok teKKeN vET 😂

[@rangikumatsumoto3143]

It will make people play more virtua fighter 6

[@bennymountain1]

MORE SPARKS FOR THE COLORBLIND GOD

[@bobopatchnosuke229]

Noctis was so cool😢❤

[@MasterJoeKerr]

I miss Noctis 😞

[@bobopatchnosuke229]

Same

[@SoloKrypton]

🤔 Interesting... Both have atrong mid range tools, but for completely different reasons; Noctis was in order to get in with advantage and enforce pressure, while Clive is in order to keep you out and prevent pressure

[@PhiDX]

I think you have it reversed

[@shajita]

With characters like Jack-8 that doesn't play like Jack-7 at all, I'm gonna guess Clive and Noctis will be pretty different from each other. I hope you enjoy him though

[@bobopatchnosuke229]

Noctis😢❤😍

[@Hypercube1729]

PhiDX's new main confirmed!

[@judgementxx]

B1,4 on noctis also looks like it crushes lows on the kick whereas Clive’s assumed b1,2 is still grounded

[@givemeverything]

And in tekken 8 im a clive fan of ff16 and im maining him and dropping everyone on the roster

[@hamzahax]

The only Fantasy here is Yours!

[@Naruyami4]

yo Phi, i was going over the trailers myself and i was trying to pay attention to all the launchers, CH or otherwise. What I was looking for in particular was if any of them had the red spark that you would see from CH launchers and i did find some

[@kendallmarin1010]

The tournament MONSTER PHIDX is back!!

[@vexnetrek]

It would make sense from a developer perspective to give noctis players a home with clive while also making him a unique character, though that seems fairly challenging. Time will tell!

[@fuko4066]

I'm glad I hit TK before Clive came out. So I don't have to deal with his gimmicky stuff. Also Phi, I head you have a data spreadsheet on every match up and what to look for. Is it publically available?

[@m3lodeth]

I think the more you compare the 2, the more you set yourself up for disappointment. Each is their own unique concept that should be played and viewed in their own way.

[@flanderszao]

If Clive ends up with a "facestab"-like move, probably it will give a guaranteed follow-up at best, heat engager maybe?

[@2D_is_all_I_need]

To me Clive here looks similar to Noctis which I'm happy about, as Noctis was the only DLC I bought in T7 and I had so much fun with him.

[@ryangalloway3107]

The main difference is that Tekken 7 is very red while Tekken 8 is very gray.

[@Sadbringer]

Many animations were changed from t7 to t8 on the same character. Many of Clive's moves looked to me at least inspired by those of Noctis', if not almost completely similar. Looking forward to try the guy out!

[@notsoshadey]

I also feel like people complaining didn't play ff16 because these are his moves in his game how else was he suppose to play with a guns.....wait

[@ashtonramlogan6482]

Clive and lars should be best friends

[@FrankenSteinsGate]

You mentioned it with the throw, but a bunch of Clive's moves look like they leave the opponent _way_ farther away than Noctis's moves did, so I do think his overall gameplan is gonna be a bit different

[@akuzino1886]

Phi lowkey happy, he finally found his main😂

[@Rhapsdos]

Clive doesnt have something exactly like the facestab, but we did see in the gameplay trailer towards the end, he swings a spear that looks like a mid that was a counterhit launcher.

[@GravediggerDigger-sx8jl]

One question why FF ?? why not street fighter? Kof ? now you will say meter .. 2d ? i guess they can design ryu just like a tekken character without meter or kyo from KOF . but they just wanted to give us illegitimate son of noctis and miguel

[@Manley156]

Very likely to get a Capcom rep later on in Tekken 8's lifespan. The two companies are well tied and have long promoted one another. At the end of the day guest characters are largely there to bolster interest in current game offerings

[@dtk1981]

This goes without mentioning clives Zantetsuken bar

[@5gatesmaster]

I already mention i my video clive df 1 is a 3 hit string and its all granty on ch hit it do wall splat which is OP :)

[@Zellpher]

Phi: Guys, Clive is clearly not the next Noctis. I'mma try him but I don't think he'll be a replacement. Phi: No really, guys... I can't drive home enough how Clive isn't Noctis. Can already tell they'll play different and fill different niches. Phi: NO BUT FR FR ONG Clive isn't Noctis guys I'mma give it a fair shake but he's not Noctis. Thumbnail: But is Clive REALLY the next Noctis? >.>

[@mrpotch]

If he had a b1 like Noctis, the trailer wouldve shown it :(

[@Stunn666]

Clive looks fun! Hope you give him a try!

[@v.m.6549]

Phi said he'll take Clive to GoD

[@StyleshStorm]

Interesting. A Noctis expert would know more than anyone on this topic.

[@RagingCoolCat]

Tekken 8 really is just Tekken 7 with the budget it should've had. I'm no longer surprised, I just hope they start dealing with problems a bit quicker.

[@mukkrustle8587]

Speed aaand weiight :(((

[@Jaedon1981]

He seems like a mix of noctis and Lars.

[@gilbertopadilla3611]

I'm excited for Clive. But I wonder if the effects will be too much.

[@reneeeeeeeee]

i doubt it tbh, i think they just turned the effects up for the trailer to make it flashier

[@Charlie_Xmas]

People saying he has some of Miguel moves scares me

[@ZanghFei]

Next Tekken 9 Guest it would be another FF with a sword. I'm seeing the pattern.

[@fancyhermit7]

I would say that Clive is more of a matured Noctis

[@spooky4223]

Clive grab looks like victors CH low 11:23

[@gorguts6667]

So Noctis if they made him a Tekken 8 character, got it.

[@OmniManEmpire]

people need to stop saying clive is the next notctis cause he definitivly not , first noctis is mostly based on LARS movelist , means that he was Lars 2,0 with an abilitiy to use different weapons and has better ch and pokes , clives is moslty similar to a soulcalibur char or even devil maycry

[@Dracobyte]

IMO saying Clive is not a Tekken character has the same energy as saying "Final Fantasy 16 is not a real FF". And that latter comment was dumb as well.

[@dedren_xcell9281]

Clive is clive, sooner folks get tht. The easier it will be for them to adapt. Thanks for the vid, your breakdown did old bro noct justice. Lots of folks just calling him noct without really seeing the key differences.

[@bayonetta8893]

He can be the next whoever he can be, I don’t give a s***

[@Yudahoyo]

Can't wait to see your reaction when you get to play him!

[@prosketch95]

I'll be maining him even if he gets nerfed to the ground eventually

[@Kilvoctu]

So, similar functions, different animations (and properties). I don't see any problems? Everyone in the cast shares similar functions

[@staygoldcortez]

Clive is gonna be a problem until we learn all the mechanics I’m going to be staring at all of the effects for awhile 😂

[@GaspoweR]

Dang that was fast

[@SeFu2006]

Clive doesn’t even fit the modern aesthetic that Tekken is known for, what a strange choice

[@StyleshStorm]

Mahalo from a Hawaii fighter lol

[@Meowster-np1lm]

just wait for the release guys its not that hard

[@thetypeofred]

Dude, we need tidus, squall or even Zack for a new collab..... It is fair to dream gentleman's🗿

[@Conno422]

The people that see the title and the thumbnail but don’t know about tekken must be really confused.

[@NoWBrian]

i read a lot of noctis players commenting here

[@joshuahenderson7816]

I liked Noctis in tekken 7 and I'm happy for clive in tekken 8

[@LemmyCetay]

I don't care how he plays, he looks cool so i'll play him

[@DanielJayy]

So shameful that they would make a second sword character that also swings a sword upward, sideways, AND downward…

[@infinitetsukuyomi7596]

Phidx what if there's a possibility that akuma returns, what would be your thoughts if he actually made the cut in the game. 🤔

[@dalymufc]

Clive is 100 percent more coolerand badass than noctis, noctis was one of the worst final fantasy lead guys. Clive looks pretty sick in this game they put so much love and effort into him.

[@Xiaoyu69]

Ff15 sold so well worldwide meanwhile ff16 did horrible in sales even coming to pc Clive made the game story was not good as ff15

[@D_McGeezacks]

Aw. I agree Clive is way cooler, but Noctis was meant to be a regular guy, even a bit of a nerd, and I loved him for it lol.

[@ulrich9191]

I think telling Noctis is one of the worst is very subjective man, as the guy said above, he just meant to be a regular guy, not medieval knight. He may not get a lot of bitches like Cloud lmao, but he still got his role done albeit a tragic one. Also his powers is cool so you gotta give credit to that.

[@odkgame693]

Clive looks like an npc from Korean mmorpg

[@jayden8700]

mannnn i miss noctis

[@chrishipop5]

Clive reminds me of Lars of T8

[@dianceperez8540]

Tbh Clive is a Noctis 2.0? But also a Miguel 2.0

[@coolergeorge6286]

I want Doctor B back ❤

[@spectri1990]

noctis rage art is a rip off of clouds move he did in the ff7 movie when he finished of sephiroth.

[@dazextralarge]

Yes

[@rodrigopalmerin]

How? When victor is already the next noctis 😂 clive is the next miguel !

[@xnpdoc4515]

I preferd squall cuz he is the iconic of ff7 and so on..

[@Silent_Avenger]

He's from Final fantasy 8

[@prosaic4195]

Wtf I stop for a week to play POE and they add a guy with a fking sword!?

[@K7TZ]

Atm im a Clive hater, but cmon, this is not the death of tekken 8. It's just weird seeing a sword fantasy character throwing magics and summons to a street fight.

[@anabstractworld]

thanks for properly embracing this and breaking it down PhiDX. Instead of brushing it off for absurd reasons. As far as i'm concerned you're the absolute backbone of this community, holding us all together like glue. I may eat some glue now

[@neterosrose]

I miss Miguel.

[@ruikiri]

Personally i dont like this choice, i dont think sword character belong in t8 and we have enough of those already.. but complaining isnt going to do anything so i just hope he is fun and that bamco makes a lot of money on this so we can get better battle passes xb

[@Lemonpeppergoblin]

I can go either way, I generally don't go for the weapon characters but I don't think it's that far fetch when you have devil people and chainsaw Robots. I don't buy in that Tekken was always this hyper realistic serious fighter. I think it helps with character variety, though I agree I don't want too many weapon based fighters. I at least respect you more than the ones constantly dooming on the game acting like it's the death of Tekken.

[@Yamiyogami]

Aight let’s remove yoshimitsu as well xD. Might as well remove nina and law too since they both use weapons right? I think the weapon doesn’t matter especially considering how hectic of a game tekken is in general

[@GravediggerDigger-sx8jl]

He is just like if noctis and miguel had a child .

[@rodrigopalmerin]

Yessss!!

[@Robotlien]

I'm mildly annoyed that it's not an original tekken character.

[@mustaqeemrajpoot5632]

Assalamualaikum Phidx, How was your day today?

[@chadafiy]

At this point make a final fantasy fighting game

[@NotGyros]

Was fun while it lasted now i gotta go back to hating you

[@kirathekasual7528]

Soooooo you back or nah?

[@Manley156]

They have similarities, it's fine

[@statpadford]

As long as I can parry his lows, idc who the dlc character is.

[@donut2ninja]

He's not the next Noctus, he's Clive. Why are people so obsessed with comparing a brand new character to an old character that was in the last install of Tekken?

[@gabrielbeltrami1432]

Cause people want problems, and it's stupid that they are comparing cause noctis was a mid tier until the end of the game when he started getting attention. Which is weird

[@Manley156]

I think a large degree of criticisms levied against him are stemming more from people not wanting more sword characters in the game which gets conflated with hating on Noctis by extension.

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

Noctis was lame

[@ThiagoHaomaru]

Why people dislike an character that shares "similarities" with an character from previous game that was gigadisliked.. hmm.. i wonder why right? x)

[@soJ2]

😮