Philco Seventeener Analysis and Power Up

[@1956kirk]

Other TV repair channels: Don't power up without changing every capacitor. Shango066: You're watching a filter capacitor die. It's dying. It's probably gonna vent!

[@ronalddaub9740]

That dash pot vacuum chamber thing probably has a Ford vehicle part number

[@Dennis-uc2gm]

We had one of these when I was a kid. Being a portable we'd use it all over the house. One place we'd set in on was a large chest freezer in the corner of the basement. Since it never had a polarized plug back then, once and a while I'd lean across the side of the freezer to change the channel touching that metal center section. I remember getting the snot shocked out of me !

[@DonnyHooterHoot]

That's how old hospital TV remotes worked, you could only go one direction to tune and position 0 was OFF. Great video!

[@Bob-1802]

Ages ago, I had some audio tube equipments (amps, preamps, etc) with the typical filaments wired in series. I added a small neon bulb (with a serie resistor) in parallel to each tube filament. In normal condition, all neons only get filament voltage, not enough to light them up. But if one filament went open, its neon got full line voltage and lit up, showing which tube was defective. Simple but saves time instead of pulling out one tube after the next.

[@johnnicol8598]

The oil mix ratio is more important than you may think. The oil doesnt really burn with any energy so adding too much basically makes it run lean.

[@WolfmanDude]

You would have to add a LOT of oil for that to happen :D Usually too much oil just causes carbon buildup. That can short out the sparkplug or cause preignition.

[@blobscott]

The filter capcitor death remided me of HAL 9000 in 2001: "Stop, Dave. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave.......Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it." Your videos are the greatest.

[@markowen4326]

It's very psychedelic, would be good on a loop

[@coptertim]

I remember a friend's mom sitting with one of those remotes. It had a long hose going to a squeeze grip like and blood pressure pump. Hit it too hard and you had to take the back off and put the hose back on.. Happy days...

[@Rev22-21]

Another episode in the never ending saga from "Shango066" The Resurrection Man! .... In this edition our faithful mild manner hero and 'humble servant in disguise' takes on another POS/ BROKEN DOWN BUSTED ASS Philco "Seventeener". So as usual as the sun rises and the birds chirp....our adventure begins......As the camera focuses in we see a "Seventeener".....Coming complete with a 'blow hose remote control' our undaunted and determined hero sets sail on the sea of disgusting couplets and loose grid cap connectors finding but one tube partially out of its socket when.................(dramatic music) ..... we hear "gee, I wonder if that was why it wasn't working". And like magic performed before our very eyes our humble hero connects the POS set to the super dupper dim bulb tester and PRESTO!!!!! The POS COMES ALIVE....YES, it's ALIVE IT'S A-L-I-V-E I TELL YOU.....! As so just as a victory dance band begins to play and the sun begins to set..........What is this .....can it be so????? And all of a sudden....our hero once again..... finds and produces another weed eater in distress....scientifically diagnoses it......and PRESTO...again like magic he fixes it! Will these miracles ever cease....will there ever be anything beyond our hero's ability to fix? Stay tuned.......till next week Shango066 fans!!!!! Same Shango time same Shango station!

[@tedcowart3647]

Damn I'm so old I remember my parents having a Philco with the pneumatic remote. It worked fine. Put a little ATF in the weed eater too. Makes a nice dense cloud the neighbors will be envious of. Great video! Thanks!

[@johnbaker26]

I’m working on this exact tv in orange right now. Tv restorer guy in Texas sells a set of networks for this exact chassis (9H25). Also those 17DAP4 CRTs are rarely bad

[@shango066]

Yes I have seen those a good way to go even though I think I'd rather build my own. Hopefully the tube is good in yours

[@Suddenlyits1960]

@John Baker Account,is the gentleman in Texas making the couplates Larry Whitlock? How much do they cost? I agree with Shango,it would be easier to buy them already made.

[@davidlocke9949]

These Seventeener IIIs may be of flimsy construction, but I never ran into one that didn't work quite well. I EOLed only one, and that was because it was an obscenely high hour set, and the CRT was whipped. I put a brightener on it, and the picture came back to life for a brief spell, then the filaments gave out. At least these sets have three picture IF stages, unlike many portables at the time, which boasted only two.

[@Barcheta603]

you are a true genius and a master in the art of bringing this kind of artifacts back to life again! I really appreciate and enjoy your videos, many greetings and all my respect for you from Argentina!

[@pcno2832]

That tubular remote, with the squishy foot pedal, is very similar to the windshield washer on my father's Opel Kadett. I think some American cars (Falcons? Mustangs?) had windshield washers like that too.

[@bobwigg761]

Ramblers did as well.

[@stirlingschmidt6325]

Studebakers had wipers run by engine vacuum - they would quit under acceleration for passing.

[@Suddenlyits1960]

Those vacuum operated windshield wipers Ford and others used were horrible. Anyone whose driven a car with them will never forget them. You’d get on the freeway in the rain and the wipers would slow to a crawl under acceleration making it difficult to see,then you’d let off the gas and the wipers would swipe back and forth like crazy. Ford was cheap and used them into the early 60’s at least. I know they 61 Comets still used them. They were powered by a vacuum pump on the gas pump. Chrysler had already gone to electrically operated wipers in the 50’s.

[@bobwigg761]

@@Suddenlyits1960 You had to fiddle a lot with the knob to adjust the speed of the wipers especially in stop and go traffic, very memorable for me.

[@Rfk1966]

My Manta has that setup. Fine in warm climates, unusable in the winter

[@radiotvphononut]

Maybe I should stockpile Crosley Cruiser record players and maybe they'll be worth ten fortunes in 50 years. On that note, I probably won't be here in 50 years, so it won't much matter.

[@DonnyHooterHoot]

It's better to be pissed off than pissed on, unless you are into that. Great Video.

[@SatomiForward]

Happy Saturday Shango. Always happy to see a new upload from you here or on the mine explorer's channel

[@Steveuk405]

This set should be restored as it is rather than parted out for a Predicta as they are getting rarer now as you say. I agree about the cheap stuff getting fan boy groups as well. Here in the UK we have Dansette record players and Amstrad Hi-Fi and Personal Computers - Absolutely hopeless but people love them! Nowt so queer as folk as we say in my part of the world.....

[@glenncerny8403]

It has the rare optional whoopee cushion remote.

[@robertgaines-tulsa]

Fart to change the channel?

[@barryf5479]

you got it all wrong. Just connect it to a douche bag and stomp on it.

[@soapflakes]

They say when you have a vacuum leak like that you can never get the timing/carburetor tuning quite right on these things…

[@lowrybrock8272]

Always enjoy your videos. Sounds like you’re feeling better, glad to hear that. Really enjoy your sense of humor as well. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. And don’t forget to capitulate the framus!!

[@DrewskisBrews]

Lol, standing up watching the video on my mobile device, staring intensely at the failing capacitor twerko-wave test pattern, I just about fell over from the disorientation.

[@petemiksich5760]

Philco actually made a set in 1959 called "Philco Predicta Seventeener Consolette" Model 3408 (The Debutante). It came with the stand, and in the ad it was said that the stand could be used as a room divider. The Predicta/Seventeener were indeed the same chassis, at least for this set.

[@Suddenlyits1960]

Yes,the debutante model and stand are actually quite common. Try finding “the townhouse” model 4744! That one is a built in room divider stand with front and rear firing speakers. I’ve never seen one surface for sale.

[@joonglegamer9898]

You're always such a stickler for self-torture :) I never get tired of watching you painstakingly restore these just to see another day of life.

[@ThomRealEstate-k1y]

I was in Philadelphia and I was on Tioga street. I poked around the old Philco factory. Here was where these TV sets were made. AHM used part of the plant for their operations. When Philco moved out they left alot of stuff behind. I wonder if anyone grabbed the Predicta parts . I remember loads of them laying about.

[@volvo09]

Well, I had a hard time not saying "what a piece of sh1t" right at the beginning, but to give it credit, it actually worked, so I can't be too hard on it... And that tube was nice and bright. Hopefully the owner got his Predicta restored by now.

[@_Ramen-Vac_]

K&N prollubbly makes a "high-flo" spark arrestor for that thar muhsheen. lol

[@jrs0007]

Another interesting video (and commentarty). Capturing the venting filter cap in real time was priceless. I would have loved to see the clip when I was learning TV repair back in the 70s.

[@IDPhotoMan]

Yep, same with old computer software. The software that sucked and didn't sell many copies are now "rare" and prices are insane. For crap no one wanted back in the 80's LOL

[@Burgoseletronica05]

Predicta we had a lot here in Brazil as well in the 60's

[@swrzesinski]

I was shocked when the test pattern appeared... I wasn't expecting so nice and clean image.

[@LakeNipissing]

"Asbestos flavored sand resistor" LOL !!

[@alphabeets]

How many of you click the thumbs up before Shango even says a word?

[@MarkVaughnLive]

I don't click it until I hear Shango say "19..." haha. Nah I'm the same way! Always great videos from him

[@Suddenlyits1960]

You’re supposed to wait for the sound of the blambulance.

[@fevengr9245]

Had the same basic set except a few years newer. It had a hand held plunger button that connected through a small air tube several feet long. Sort of a poor man's remote control. If I remember correctly, the set shut off when you made it all the way around to the UHF position. It was usually much easier just to get up and go over to the set than it was to plunge button all the way from channel 3 to 12. The good old days!

[@dougkoudelka3089]

Gimmicky Philco stuff. Remember the Secretary? It was a radio that sat on the floor with a foot wheel to control volume and change pre set stations.

[@n2n8sda]

Shango or Carlsons lab did one of them a few years ago, I forget who now

[@dougkoudelka3089]

@@n2n8sda I had one when I was a young lad of about 12 years old. It was given to my dad who gave it to me to play with on my workbench. Whatever happened to it escapes me, it's been 50 years. Wish I still had it, they are very rare.

[@Suddenlyits1960]

@@n2n8sda Bandersentv did a video series on one. I believe Mr Carlson’s Lab has a video on one as well

[@krz8888888]

Lots of cult following because lots of people had them as kids, being they sold at an accessible price

[@Suddenlyits1960]

In the case if the Predicta that isn’t true. They have a strong following because of their styling. They are icons of an era that was obsessed with and had an optimistic outlook on the future.

[@krz8888888]

@@Suddenlyits1960 Right, those make sense to be popular

[@jerryspann8713]

That UHF hose reminds me of something you'd find in a washing machine.

[@kano8474]

SHANGO!!! Thanks for the new video.

[@TangoCharlieAlpha]

Just think about what that television has seen. Amazing.

[@outaspaceman]

the wiggly test pattern reminded me of the award winning cartoons from Poland I used to watch when I was a child...

[@JessHull]

I watched a filter capacitor die.

[@jamesplotkin4674]

That picture tube is in excellent condition and is a true gem. The trick to 2-strokes is to operate them at full throttle, so the screens don't clog up.

[@scottsanders9498]

I remember being in the hospital as a kid and the TV remote worked like that. It would only change the channel up and when it went back around it turned the TV off.

[@danilorainone406]

at 37 minutes,,,,,, BUT WAIT!! THERE"S MORE!!! BONUS VIDEO KIDS!!

[@bwc1976]

Wow, that's a lot of Vietnamese TV channels you have! And I love the smell of 2-stroke exhaust.

[@KameraShy]

"New-Matic Remote Control that turns the set on or off, even changes channels! And, best of all, it's built in - at no extra cost - in your choice of 7 new models!" "Just a squeeze turns off the set!"

[@lawrenceharris8919]

My parents purchased a Philco portable, most likely the Seventeener, in the fall of 1960, because they wanted to watch the Kennedy Nixon debates. The Philco repeatedly broke. My parents were no incensed that they wrote a letter to Henry Ford II after Ford announced they were acquiring Philco, which had declared bankruptcy. A serviceman arrived at the door a few days later with a larger screen B&W loaner. Two weeks later, our portable returned, after being serviced at the factory. it started breaking down again. My parents eventually threw the Philco away and replaced it with a Zenith that worked without complaint until 1969, when my parents decided to upgrade to color.

[@edmccormick8024]

Great job Lee as always

[@chetpomeroy1399]

I'll bet it's been a *long, long time* since that TV last boiled electrons!! Not bad for a 62-year-old set that physically looks like it's FUBAR!

[@janezjamsak8535]

This guys sarcasm is really getting on my Nerves.

[@Nathan-jq1uw]

If you ever watch early episodes of The Mary Tyler Moore Show, like the first season (1970), in her little one room apartment Mary Richards had a very small portable b&w television with a handle on it. I always wondered what make and model that was. In later episodes she had a much larger set.

[@brettzambotti9291]

Shindaiwa and Echo have an oil called Red Armor. It's a synthetic oil and has a cleaner additive in it to clean the carbon out of the engine and muffler. It's great stuff. Try it.

[@rocket625]

The TV needs a warning label if set is on fire please do not throw more than two stories out the window

[@shmehfleh3115]

It's the Yugo of televisions!

[@GreyRockOne]

Had one when I was a kid, it eventually died and, well , what do kids do as kids, we smashed it. Boy, that picture tube, it didn't go bang, it went BOOM! Way more violent than any color tube we busted, wonder why.

[@mjouwbuis]

Being from 1959 it would not have had a tension band yet as they were introduced in the early 1960's. The tension band (doubling as a mounting frame) was heated and then shoved on the tube to achieve tension. It redirected forces in the glass inwards in case of shattering. Tubes without it, implode much more violently.

[@WFTL14]

RCA New Vista remote sets with only VHF had an off position between ch2 and 13. Remote was 3 chimes 1 vol up 1 vol down and 1 to change channels.

[@levimevis5192]

The filter cap probably was reforming.

[@carlapeterchris]

I just saw part of your TV explosion video on the ad for TV antenna

[@Retep4565]

36:48 You don't need to worry about that, in California you get 100% recycled electrons out of your power outlet.

[@baileyclark6916]

Basically a guitar amp with a screen lmao. Them freaking vacuum tubes wild

[@kerozin520]

Philco New-Matic remote, it looks like old blood pressure monitor squeeze pump, crazy.

[@kevmichael2064]

I was back in California in 2010 with a multi band radio..I turned to 87.7mhz I heard two stations at once...XETV Tijuana Mexico and the Big Bear station (KNZO)...on the same frequency..inter-changing as I moved from one place to another!!😮 Weird

[@BALtimore2001]

I'm still scared of that fucking dot that still appears on the TV screen whenever it's turned off! Unless it's the Kid President's adolescence, you know what! :)

[@anthonylawrence60]

over here in the Uk with the new interest in vinyl we have a current obsession with the dansette record player one of the cheapest on the market back in the 80s and 60s with just enough guts to make it work inside yet they change hands for lots of money purely because of the way they look

[@BrainDamageBBQ]

The Chevy Vega of TV sets? LOL

[@Sys-Edit0r-1995]

Anyone remember those diamond shaped bulbs like Shango's 68 watt that had a timer in them and would blink after 30 minutes or so and shut off? I'm 26 and I remember these from my childhood (so 2000-2005) does anyone remember what they were called?

[@BretFrohwein]

Do you mean the Westinghouse Turtle-Lite? I vaguely remember some auto off gimmick that never worked. I have a few of these in a seldom used bathroom. they've probably been there 40 years. they were extra long life bulbs

[@BretFrohwein]

I remembered.. Philips IQ!

[@Sys-Edit0r-1995]

@@BretFrohwein I think that's the one!

[@williamsquires3070]

That’s what I like about these old tube sets; they’ll usually do something… unless the fuse is blown, but that’s easy enough to solve with a diode, as apparently someone did on this set. 🤗

[@kevmichael2064]

Channel 14... What!!!...that was not in L A when I was still there.. Channel 14 was the LBFD....and Channel 20 was LAPD.....😮

[@knotbone869]

Great video Shango! I have a sears 9” b&w from 1970 and it has all original tubes and the crt is bright as heck! Just had this horizontal and vertical rolling issue on screen that I can’t seem to fix by adjusting the controls…

[@edp9821]

Was this Philco Seventeener the same as the Admiral Thin Man tv electrically? Odd story to share about these 2 tvs. My late Brother in law before he married my sister who also died, his parents had a vacation house in Brigantine NJ North of Atlantic City. I recall going down to his place in the summer of 76 he had a Admiral Thinman tv in the living room. The 3nd time we went down to the house we turned the tv on and it was dead. The next time we went to the house, it was replaced with a Philco seventeener tv. The following year in either 78 or 79 they got a new Sharp 19" color. Found it odd they had 2 similiar B&W tvs.

[@agostinodibella9939]

That’s a clever design with the air hose to change channels and power the TV on and off! I am surprised how well it worked with out doing anything to it. I now see why you work on these TV’s outside. They can be fire 🔥 hazards!

[@johnnytacokleinschmidt515]

Provides electrical isolation from hot chassis.

[@bwc1976]

And infestation hazards...

[@levimevis5192]

Zenith did a very similar thing with their remote control TVs where the TV could be shut off using an unused channel on the VHF tuner.

[@LaPabst]

That pipe was there to drain all the suck out of this TV.

[@audubon5425]

The original knob was a small gold metal one

[@DeathRyder33]

gotta question for u, i have an old rca vhs camcorder, i recapped the mother board and part of the camera, {they leaked} it works now but 1 minor thing, the very tiny crt monitor it has, 2.3kv not to exceed 6.0kv its hard to find out what the anode is as theres a red thick wire and a white one, caps need replaced in it also, but kinda nervous when it comes to very tiny tubes like this. i said nope and put it back together and figured id ask someone.

[@ronniewall1481]

I REMEMBER WHEN MY SISTER WAS IN HOSPITAL THEY HAD THESE SET UP AS PAY TVS. IT HAD A SLOT FOR COINS.

[@anyka1111]

hey can I buy one from you? if you have one that is working! can you put a plug for a DVD player on it?

[@vintageradios7790]

I am quite surprised that this TV works as well as it does considering its age and it looks like it's been dropped not to mention the original crappy design of these philco sets. I do not know witch TV is worse. As far as design goes this one philco seventeener or the Sylvania duette 17 inch set model 17D303. The Sylvania duette 17 inch as I understand is a very rare set. You did a video of this a while back. I am still catching up with your older videos. Great job keep up the good work thanks.

[@PapiDoesIt]

Could that vacuum solenoid be for a hospital TV? Crude early remote control.

[@loosehandle1]

Plot twist, Shango wakes up to the end of the world and instead of every channel having static they have mumble rap...

[@flukep1228]

In the north bay of California. I been seen lots of channels the sound off from the video. Sad no one can run a tv station right.

[@soulrobotics]

I've been watching a lot of your videos and deeply appreciate your funny sarcasm, which comes in handy these days. To make my own CAPACITOR tester, where I want to measure leakage at various voltages up to the maximum capacitor voltage, and also ESR and EPR, can you make a video of a stack of old capacitors and do some "scientific" experiments? " to design the ideal capacitor tester for technicians? there are some people who claim that they measure leakage by looking at the dancing LEDs, but don't know how much leakage, at what voltage, etc. Then there are many reviews, but people seem to lack your intuition and experience... Well, if someone thinks it would be interesting, they can join this petition..

[@WC0125]

Philco was very much involved in space age electronic design. These sets were popular and high tech for 1959. Philco sold both a Seventener in a Predicta and Slender model. The Predicta cost about $10 more. Those coupletts were a way of shrinking the circuits to make the Slender chassis. Similar military grade circuits have survived much better. That all being said, we had a Slender Seventeener purchased new in 1960 for $170. By 1962 it had crapped out and was traded in on a 19" Zenith. The Zenith lasted until it was replaced, still working, in 1975 with a Zenith Chromacolor console.

[@Suddenlyits1960]

Al “Seventeener” meant was it was a 17” screen. I am curious,why didn’t you spend the extra $10 and just get the predicta vs the “seventeener III”? They are about as easy to move from one place to the next and in my experience people tended not to move portable sets that often anyway.

[@Mike1614b]

when I think quality I think Curtis Mathis- the most expensive television in America, and darn well worth it!

[@johnnytacokleinschmidt515]

"Incoming!" 😆 I have a console from the late 1970's I believe. Video or CRT problem. Smears of color on the screen. No discernable picture. My uncle always bought them. Had a black and white in the guest room. It worked well and looked impressive. Big and bulky.

[@nikkihendrix1234]

Yes it does change the channel, this was technically one of the first remote sets.

[@scratchdog2216]

Remote for the bedridden.

[@Radiowild]

Never knew about the Seventeener.... Thanks for sharing! RW

[@markmarkofkane8167]

Ever come across a Philco-Ford Cararvan portable B&W? We had one . Great video!

[@Pablo-he7gm]

Is there any wat to correct that issue where the left half of the raster is brighter than the right half? It can be seen at the end when switching between channels when you used the converter box. I have a Zenith TV with the same issue and I still could not find the problem.

[@Stoney3K]

If your sparks get arrested a lot you need to return them to the shop and ask for new sparks which don't have a criminal record yet.

[@jmaxx7649]

Haaaahaaaaa darn sparks, that was a good one🤓🤓🤓

[@mullahviking]

Luxury tv. And it just works. Nice

[@SquantoTerror]

27:51 YOU ARE WATCHING A FILTER CAPACITOR DiE!

[@kevmichael2064]

Channel 6 is KJAZ on 88.1...next to XETV Tijuana Mexico...that was when I was a kid in the 60s to 1995 when I moved out of L A...when I was there... channel 6 had a weird station from Big Bear..in Spanish I'd was KNZO... with some kind of Catholic Church program...it was strange...I really thought I left and came in another time,..why a Spanish speaking station from Big Bear?

[@joeblow8593]

Cabinet rattles with the sound. We had a GE portable with metal sides and that too used to rattle with the sound too. "Make sure there is an Environmental Plume over this place" lol

[@Elfnetdesigns]

Just imaging that in 40 years some of these cheap Chinesium infused cell phones and TV sets will be in a similar boat with fandom namely the Crosley Cruiser

[@krz8888888]

Same color as grandma

[@glasstronic]

Surprised that ol' gal worked at all, much less as well. Sheesh!

[@Godzilla941]

Never understood the Predictas. Can't make up its mind whether to be curved as with the picture tube section or boxy as with the electronics package. Kind of like an Edsel.

[@justincase3880]

Raster doing a bit of the hula .. filter cap …

[@MarkVaughnLive]

I remember many videos ago, probably a year or so ago, you saying how poor quality the Philco's are. And me being a noob to the vintage TV's was heartbroken because I always loved the look of Philco TV's.

[@shango066]

you can still restore them and they work well, just a bunch of work to restore properly.