Socrates and Thrasymachus argue about justice, and in the end the argument turns on game theory; Book I of Plato's Republic. @PhiloofAlexandria
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@ibmor7674 Жыл бұрын
Thrasymachus has always been one of Plato’s most interesting characters to me. In my own readings I never felt that Socrates proved him wrong decisively. Your break down helped me a lot. Thank you.
@krumbergify2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these videos. You manage to be both clear and entertaining :).
@jenslyn87 Жыл бұрын
Hope you’ll be back with more videos! They’re excellent. Sound quality in this one is poor, though :-)
@lordawesometony27642 жыл бұрын
Thrasymachus: “you’re the real bully Socrates!” **runs off crying**
@deprogramr2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Socrates' dialogues are incredibly interesting, and the topics and players seem to echo into today's internet discourses. Amazing that people just keep having the same arguments over and over without apparently reading the originals?
@cjortiz2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on this. I'd expect the emergent properties of the universe to reveal that life is a [+] sum game, in which cooperation becomes the dominant strategy, no matter what. Especially knowing how well he goes on to prove that it is better to be just, even if thought unjust, than to be unjust, and thought just.
@CjqNslXUcM2 жыл бұрын
The properties of the universe set the stage for life, but cooperation only has a meaning in the context of life. The very existence of multicellular life proves the dominance of cooperation in a maximally competitive darwinist space.
@mileskeller52442 жыл бұрын
Professor Brovenac, FYI the audio is really bad for the first part of thus video sir but then gets better in the last half . I appreciate you greatly as always.
@PhiloofAlexandria2 жыл бұрын
Ah! I may be able to fix that.
@oldsachem2 жыл бұрын
one of your best.
@fas18402 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I really enjoyed this one. Can you please make a video about the so-called Socratic fallacy?
@PhiloofAlexandria2 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@billc31142 жыл бұрын
Oh yes! I love Socratic dialog.
@burnteasy2 жыл бұрын
Great video professor! Hope you're doing well :)
@oldmanfigs Жыл бұрын
Justice and uprightness has a core of ( good faith) intention.
@123sLb12311 ай бұрын
socrates is right in the fact that he doesnt risk his soul by being just to everyone, but there are gonna be people who are going to predate on that, and so hes gonna commit injustice by helping wickedwilled ones, thats why he lost protection and got poisoned probably
@esalim2 жыл бұрын
I want to give you a good mic! This is to important to have a sound environment like this.
@oldsachem2 жыл бұрын
Professor Bonevac, what if what the ruler does is not a mistake, but intentional? What should we the weak do then?
@PhiloofAlexandria2 жыл бұрын
Good question!
@PhiloofAlexandria2 жыл бұрын
I need to think about that.
@dixztube2 жыл бұрын
Probably my favorite book after the idiot
@kallianpublico75172 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Greeks didn't know what justice was? How did Plato or Socrates come by the conviction to reject the bully's ideas? Their worship of the Gods? The religios practices of Greek society? Their involvement in legal practices and law? It is one thing to talk about justice, it is another thing to live a just life. Justice derived by logic, is it the same justice derived by force? Logic and meaning are two different processes. Being just and what justice means are derived by an internal process and an external process, respectively. Meaning is contextual, logic is pretextual.
@krumbergify2 жыл бұрын
Actually Ayn Rand would agree with Socrates in this case :) She would call it “rational self-interest”.
@rckli Жыл бұрын
If you only do right, how do you take a left? Justice is doing what’s to the benefit of the whole without negatively affecting the individual - the grant the consequences they demand, and not any further. Someone who knows they’re harming you should never be treated the same as someone who doesn’t know they’re harming you, yet it’s recognized both do an equivalent harm? Ridiculous! Someone who does it on purpose is guaranteed to repeat the offense whereas an individual who doesn’t do it on purpose can be “educated” It’s up to us as a society to prevent repeat offenses, not to punish people for their actions.. The question is: how do we as a society determine when an individual will repeat their behavior? How do we know it’s ok to jail a murderer if they had motive to kill that person? (Such as a rapist being murdered by the person he raped - it is very unlikely this person will murder again yet how could we know they aren’t going to go after others they deem “rapists” in the future?) Such an interesting thought
@anhumblemessengerofthelawo38582 жыл бұрын
_I believe Milton Erickson is actually the reincarnation of Socrates_
@lotuscenterfilms47584 ай бұрын
Wow! Thrasymachus sounds a lot like Donald Trump. Fascinating!
@PoetryBirdsFly2 жыл бұрын
💞🌍🌎🌏💞
@Rj-cl1zw2 жыл бұрын
Dude… is there a rattler sitting next to you…!? And you’re just sitting there talking about Societies?!
@coimbralaw2 жыл бұрын
Your brain is too addled by drugs to make a content statement