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Philosophize This!

Philosophize This!

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@carlcarlsberg5900
@carlcarlsberg5900 5 ай бұрын
It's feeling the power and scale of nature, fearing it and loving it, and losing fear of everything else in the moment. Seeing / feeling the power of the ocean from the right place at the right time. Getting caught out in a thunder storm. I think the comments about human language are spot on, and it's possible sublime is impossible to describe, It's subjective, but I'm optimistic it could be done one day. Coordinates are nothing like a destination, but they can take you there.
@Orionsbelt31
@Orionsbelt31 4 жыл бұрын
As a climber I can offer some insight into this "Sublime" in the context of this episode [enjoyable as usual] which I believe that to be mortality. Climbing is highly visceral as it goes against instinct to willingly put yourself in an environment you're not designed for. The experience produces a state of heightened consciousness that brings about what I believe psychotherapists like Jung had in mind when considering the integration of the unconscious with the conscious. I feel VERY ALIVE but paradoxically and simultaneously also a distinct sense of my mortality - they fuel each other - fear can do that. Life can become quite banal in it's daily grind but you will feel oddly 'complete' or whole when putting yourself up against death. I believe these get intellectually melded when dealing with big powerful forces like the ocean or mountains. "Sublime" BTW is not really beauty though often used in that context, rather - "expressing lofty ideas in an elevated manner," from Middle French sublime, or directly from Latin sublimis "uplifted, high, borne aloft, lofty, exalted, eminent, distinguished".
@Orionsbelt31
@Orionsbelt31 4 жыл бұрын
Further to the example of war vets describing horrors so coldly is because when in a situation that requires all your attention relative to your potential demise you don't have time to be "emotional". If you're not coldly objective it could mean your life. Climbing BTW is not an adrenaline junkie type sport...you're constantly fighting that off to remain calm and therefore objective. Freaking out doesn't equate to good decisions.
@cultureandtheory5097
@cultureandtheory5097 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the video; your knowledge is greatly appreciated and has been incredibly helpful! you so much for the video; your knowledge is greatly appreciated and has been incredibly helpful!
@mountainvalleyriver
@mountainvalleyriver 8 ай бұрын
I grew up, the daughter of a mountain guide, dividing my time between the Pacific Northwest and Switzerland. The sublime is a real experience I have felt for as long as I can remember, but - now a grad student specializing in environmental philosophy- I am trying to understand it and put it into words.
@christinemartin63
@christinemartin63 Жыл бұрын
You said a mouthful! First you want something, then you rationalize your way down that twisting path. When people want your advice, they want help in confirming a decision they've already made.
@tomekgut5263
@tomekgut5263 4 жыл бұрын
Your podcast is pure gold. I am just waiting for new episodes about Husserl! :)
@endover422
@endover422 4 жыл бұрын
I guess I had a sublime moment in my life. When I was younger, I remember looking up to the night sky and understanding for the first time that the Universe can be infinite (I mean the whole Universe/Cosmos, not just our Observable Universe). It was a sense of awe in the face of the pitiless indifference of the frozen emptiness. I don't know whether that counts?
@amitrofanov82
@amitrofanov82 4 жыл бұрын
Rather not. Experience you are talking about is quete common for people. Many of us had one or few moments of especially strong emotions, based on some Universe-about fantasies. Sublime should be something other than that. I also don't have such experience.
@delilah3556
@delilah3556 3 жыл бұрын
@@amitrofanov82 You're an idiot. So is the podcaster. The feeling of sublime is subjective and it's not something as rare that this guy makes it out to be. What the above commenter experienced looking at the sky definitely sounds like an experience of the sublime.
@aocbbl
@aocbbl 11 ай бұрын
It is sublime to me because it shatters your worldview equally
@andrewcreech8158
@andrewcreech8158 2 жыл бұрын
“The language of the river was scarcely less enchanting than that of the wind and rain; the sublime overboom of the main bouncing, exulting current, the swash and gurgle of the eddies, the keen dash and clash of heavy waves breaking against rocks, and the smooth, downy hush of shallow currents feeling their way through the willow thickets of the margin. And amid all this varied throng of sounds I heard the smothered bumping and rumbling of boulders on the bottom as they were shoving and rolling forward against one another in a wild rush, after having lain still for probably 100 years or more.” Excerpt From The Mountains of California John Muir
@1onebee951
@1onebee951 4 жыл бұрын
The Ocean and Space give me the same vibes you're describing. Not weird lol shit is spoopy
@wanderingbiku451
@wanderingbiku451 3 жыл бұрын
"You might say that i'm stoopid...but i'm not the only one..." imagine that! :)
@efegokselkisioglu8218
@efegokselkisioglu8218 Жыл бұрын
I write poems, and the few I feel content with were all written after or during turbulous times often describing and about concepts grand yet aberrant. I just couldn't put a finger as to why they felt aestheticly pleasing, after this video I'm now both relieved and sad. Relieved because I now have a guiding light to unfurl knots I couldn't, knots that left me baffled. Sad because now that I am aware as to why I might find a horror story entrenching, I will not so easily find unfurlable knots to get lost in. Either way this was an episode I found most familiar, And personally connected to. Great work!
@FudoSamaBM
@FudoSamaBM 4 жыл бұрын
I just found this channel and you are awesome, please keep making content!
@amitrofanov82
@amitrofanov82 4 жыл бұрын
LSD drug experience is also often described as something, that gives one revolutional experience you never had before. Some claim it gives deeper feel of understanding the boundaries of true I
@dascorncakes1151
@dascorncakes1151 3 жыл бұрын
where is the rest of this comment and were you on LSD while making it?
@katew8807
@katew8807 5 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite topics! Thank you!
@Nitephall
@Nitephall 2 жыл бұрын
I've experienced the sublime in dreams, and it is terrifying. One thing that overtakes you in experiences of the sublime is a powerful sense of Otherness, and incredible forces beyond human understanding. Beauty and the sublime are not mutually exclusive, as you say. A thing can be beautiful and sublime at the same time, but sublimity takes the pleasure out of beauty. It makes it threatening.
@Deathlupus
@Deathlupus 3 жыл бұрын
This episode, is epic.
@JustMemeingTillWeDie
@JustMemeingTillWeDie 4 жыл бұрын
All this talk on Burkean sublime and nothing on the Kantian. Don't title it Kant's sublime if you're not going to talk about him or his concept on the sublime.
@3rdcoastnyucka
@3rdcoastnyucka 4 жыл бұрын
Kant's name isn't mentioned much at all in any of these.
@amitrofanov82
@amitrofanov82 4 жыл бұрын
I agree Stephen done something wrong here, putting this episode into Kant series... there's nothing about Kant. Anyway, I highly appreciate his content.
@milo2879
@milo2879 3 жыл бұрын
relax bruh
@andrewcreech8158
@andrewcreech8158 2 жыл бұрын
🥹
@xaikken
@xaikken 4 жыл бұрын
I think about my psychedelic trips when i think about the word ineffable. That it truly is, attempting to describe an acid trip to a boring-minded individual is simply a waste of time.
@rabbychan
@rabbychan 2 жыл бұрын
Not trying to sound like a "meathead" but if you wanna experience the sublime, get in an mma fight, when you're in that moment, it's raw, it radiates some form of absolute truth, nothing else matters and if you're exhausted it only gets better
@asoulist4829
@asoulist4829 2 ай бұрын
I think "The slave ship by J.M.W Turner is a better depiction of the sublime then those Horse and Lion paintings.
@melissasmind2846
@melissasmind2846 7 күн бұрын
You are not the ONLY one.
@melissasmind2846
@melissasmind2846 7 күн бұрын
Thank you
@moonist72
@moonist72 4 жыл бұрын
I can clear this up. Everything is (potentially) sublime. Deny yourself fresh air for a month. When you eventually go outside and suck in a deep breath-that'll be sublime! Either something invigoratingly new or something old re-experienced after denial. Always ephemeral. Simple really. (>>runs>>)
@WonderingAroundWithAustin
@WonderingAroundWithAustin 10 ай бұрын
hiiiiiii ive tried messaging you on all the things, but now I'm here in the yt comment section. you mentioned at the end that in the Schopenhauer eps. you'd cover the sublime again. did I miss something? has the tapping inside my rap brain caused a blizzard? all I know is I wanna hear you talk more about this from other smart ppls perspectives :-)
@marekvodicka
@marekvodicka 3 жыл бұрын
The only type of sublime experience I've ever had was the mediated type produced by various forms of art. I believe that a lot of metal bands try to emulate this aesthetic experience nowadays (albeit unconsciously, in most cases, I think) - the band Mastodon, for example. And not only with their music, even their first album cover strongly resembles the Stubbs painting with the lion attacking a horse (only in Mastodon's case it's a horse caught on fire). The artist's name is Paul Romano, I believe.
@silverdragon710
@silverdragon710 5 жыл бұрын
As you are saying to imagine a ship lost at sea there is a ship at quivering sea right above my head. I think wilderness is sublime as well, and that to me is beautiful so Im having a hard time here understanding the difference. What do you mean beauty is only observable? Beauty can be experienced too, i mean there can be an interaction where you arrive at the state of beauty. If I understand correctly then I wouldnt place it below the sublime but maybe people take themselves more seriously in the sublime. Maybe beauty is a more personal experience, subjective to a point and more selfish. In a sublime experience you feel like youre part of something greater, realer, and that i think makes you feel more alive. Its small in comparison, but when you stumble upon a wild animal in the woods or your garden dont you feel the sublime as well? From what you described its the thing people look for because otherwise existance can be mundane, why is anything you do really of any worth, to you. would you say that enjoying sports and movies is an extention of the sublime? even though that doesnt change you as much but just obeserving it is something too. we all look for that, to be taken so serisouly which is why i think we love intense movies, action, violence, fights, battles and adventure movies. and war, there's not bullshit in war and nature. it forces you to be present, the brook doesnt as much, its easier to drift away because its not dangerous. The sublime could be a great answer to why is there suffering and pain in the world, and a lead to what we think is actually important. Looking forward to the next video on the subject!
@albertchizmar5186
@albertchizmar5186 3 жыл бұрын
I think the closest I’ve been to a truly sublime experience has been when I’ve broken through on DMT (dimethyltryptamine). I felt an infinite love embrace my soul and a divine oneness. DMT supposedly releases in the brain when people die. If that is the case then I think these sublime experiences produced by nature and in life threatening situations may in fact be DMT releasing in the brain, creating a certain euphoria in perilous situations.
@clawdeeuh07
@clawdeeuh07 3 жыл бұрын
this is a very interesting thought
@vanillasmoke4004
@vanillasmoke4004 3 жыл бұрын
so could you say that the vikings gods were personified experiences of the sublime?
@larsonlary98
@larsonlary98 3 жыл бұрын
I know this video is from a year ago, so I don't know if you still read the comments from this video, but could giving birth or Bataile's little death(orgasm) be considered sublime experiences?
@kevinlos-vanes1250
@kevinlos-vanes1250 3 жыл бұрын
Stephen, still read these? I can fully relate to these experiences. Sometimes from images,, sometimes when something horrible but enormous happens. It's weird and I even sometimes feel moraly burdenned by it. Heres one video which triggered it the first time I saw it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmOQdZdspdtrhcU
@Therealskxlls
@Therealskxlls 5 жыл бұрын
It's not ineffable; we cannot have an absolute knowledge of it, but we can have knowledge of its Essence, its Essence involves, in the most primitive sense, an Absolute Memory, an Absolute Intuition, and an Absolute Will and therefore an Absolute Subjectivity.
@xanderduffy6461
@xanderduffy6461 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree - in its most primitive sense 'the sublime' involves not merely a memory (this presupposes a thing which has already occured in the past), for the memory of an event is not the most primitive, but rather it is secondary - its most primitive would be the actual event of the sublime, which presupposes at least three things 1. the thing that is causing the sublime experience. 2. the subjective person experiencing the sublime event. 3. the environment in which it is occuring. These are the conditions. It can never just be something subjective, in fact, it is quite the contrary - there is an environment and something in it that can allow us to experience certain feelings in very specific conditions. This requires something beyond mere subjectivity - but is indeed something objective bearing down upon our subjectivity - its a relationship, one thing merits our subjective response.
@emmanuellehuu8818
@emmanuellehuu8818 4 жыл бұрын
@@xanderduffy6461 I think I understand what you mean and I think I agree haha
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