Jordan Peterson: The Collapse of Belief Systems, Nihilism and The Way Out.

[@capophysiofit4785]

How weird is the realization of nihilism and the effect it has on body and mind. I was furloughed due to lockdown and had this realization. I went from a cocky personal trainer to a depressed anxious individual that can barely function. Can't stop thinking about the universe and everything. Went to a therapist who told me that people eventually emerge from this realization different, stronger for sure but different. Thanks life🙏 I don't remember seeing nihilism on the menu 😂

[@TheClassicWorld]

'Whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger.' - Nietzsche

[@QuietClawss]

Don't be scared of nihilism. It's just that you don't understand it.Use it to be a better person and use the knowledge in life. Knowing your insignificance will make you a less self centered human.

[@mauriceperez1479]

@Stratos I How can Nihilism be complete?

[@nyoodmono4681]

You should have spendt more time to understand what is happening around you. What is up with this difuse threat of a virus, what are these vaccines about. Because you understanding barely anything will make you impotent and this is what Nietzsche is talking about, while the belief in god is replaced by a health cult right hear right now. With realization and deeper insight of what is going on, the feel of despair and weakness will dramaticly drop, the dowside is it can come along with anger and weltschmerz too.

[@Justaswise]

So I walk into the therapist office and I see three people sitting in the waiting room a nihilist a cynic and a pessimist lol

[@ernieshaw2178]

Do not pray for an easy life. Pray for the ability to face a difficult one.

[@georgemargaris]

Indeed. Better ability is more desirable than better situation. Kinda like "teach me to fish" instead of "giving me a fish to eat"

[@bruceruttan60]

Prayer never helps. Thoughtful action beats begging god.

[@harvey_birdman]

This is a good quote

[@mattspintosmith5285]

Good grant us faith that when some ill, unwonted, comes our way, deep in our heats thy Spirit will give power to win the day. (Unitarian hymn)

[@hellinterface6721]

You don't need to pray for either. You're doomed either way. Nature will gradually if not quickly stomp your useless little life the fuck out.

[@Adventure-of-your-Life]

This is actually life saving advice for me.

[@eklavyasingh8143]

How's it going?

[@hcp0scratch]

Wonderful, Evan! Yes, life-affirming and purpose-affirming! Keep up the good fight!!! 😊

[@LucVNO]

Nihilism is pointless.

[@AnUtterMesh]

I see what you did there 😉

[@inplainview1]

Ba dum tssh 😉

[@JameBlack]

Pointlessness is pointless

[@aakkoin]

it's pointless, but you know it's easy. It's an easy way out, nothing matters, fuck everything. Merry Christmas.

[@RTCLR123]

+Richard Richard Dont hate the player, hate the game, but dont hate the game either, you have a lifetime to learn my friend.

[@joexer1]

Life is about taking satisfying poops

[@christiangogol6658]

I ll ummmh I’ll you

[@christiangogol6658]

I’m

[@anhbayar11]

Lmaoooo wtf xD

[@macho6596]

Most underrated sensations

[@greggreg7400]

its been awhile

[@FortNite-fb5wm]

I’ve been lost in Nihilism since I was genuinely conscious. I understood I just couldn’t agree. As I do not believe there’s anything in the end I believe you should practice good morals or being a decent human in the meantime. My only goal is to make enough to be happy and consistent in life all while keeping it minimal. I don’t require much. And try to be the absolute best person I can be while I’m here. Don’t know if that sounds contradicting.

[@FortNite-fb5wm]

@euclid of alexandria whatever is the right path. Out of the way of others. Not judging.

[@callmeej8399]

@euclid of alexandria that’s what is hard about nihilism the very concepts of good, evil, and moral fall on there faces. The mean nothing they are all constructs

[@dynmicpara]

NO. There is no basis for being moral/stoical if you think everything is BS. Everything is NOT BS--but NIHILISM is evil BS. Got it?

[@Andreascarnero]

It is difficult to ignore the fact that we have to create values from our asses and believe them like crazy in order to keep moving. It is astonishingly frightening and withering, and this can be an obvious sign that something is fucked up here.

[@genericx2347]

Well said

[@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard]

Your problem is not believing in God.

[@stephenasmith273]

@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard believing in a god is a simple coping technique for curious thoughts that make us question reality. No truth to any of it, simply a coping mechanism for those incapable of accepting the infinite obliviousness following life. The point and meaning of life is to live, you get it once and need to enjoy it. If heaven were eternal how would you be motivated to do anything? The small amount of time we have on this planet is to do everything you want to do.

[@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard]

@@stephenasmith273 Have you read any serious christian apologetics? I don't thi k so, judging by your comment.

[@stephenasmith273]

@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard I’ve read dozens of things about it and was raised Baptist Christian my whole life, went to a private school.. around freshman year of highschool I realized it was complete bogus. Modern Christian practitioners essentially resort to: “because we don’t know god is the answer” on all questions. Tell me how old is our planet in your mind?

[@noxplay4906]

One thing I'd like to point out is that nihilism will always be weak and will never be too much of a concern for humanity to worry about, at least in the long term of human history. You can see this in how modern nihilism in the West has only been prevalent for a few decades, and now people are already getting sick of it and converting to religion or some belief system centered on objective moral values, going back to faith, society and family. One thing about a philosophy that states nothing matters, is that it does not try to defend itself from external belief systems that are superior or more aggressive, which means it gets killed off long-term. Very good news!

[@rules4life337]

To the incredible person that's seeing this, I wish you all the best in life❤ Don't over blame yourself, accept things and go forward. Don't let others define what “success” is for you. Get up, learn the skills needed and get after it, all the keys to a happy life is in your hands.

[@grijsje]

He just explained why I like Dolstoevsky and the Old Testament so much. That is interesting.

[@c4662]

Life is not about having meaning, it's about finding your own ways to have meaning in life.

[@backcenter2]

Replace ways with illusions.

[@sarte_ideas529]

Cyrus' guitar and lift i truly believe this, it’s the fact that nothing has inherent meaning, your pursue for a meaning or finding of makes a life as a being with a conscious

[@project_lkh7009]

@@sarte_ideas529 that's existentialism

[@fwh7074]

Cyrus' guitar and lift life is about nothing

[@TK-cs1qc]

Cyrus' guitar and lift this gives me hope.

[@jamesthompson327]

What if you are in a society where they dont allow you to confront the bully? If they control the money, they can circumvent the charter of rights, they control the information, they control your ability to unite how can you face or stand up to a force that is far more powerful than you could ever hope to be?

[@1invag]

My solution was to pause for a second then say fuck it who cares, life's to short to worry about shit, whatever will be will be, it is what it is... And 5 minutes later Ive generally forgotten what I was worried about. The system works 😋

[@berndbuchholz413]

This is what you get by having a strongly normative concept of enlightenment. Jordan Peterson adapts it in a conservative way. People pointing out that nihilism is pointless, or trying to explain what a nihilist thinks like haven't understood this world. Obviously it is not nihilistic to write something in the comment section, to make that clear. Jordan Peterson tries to deduct values from something that has happened by chance: the human evolution, one does not have to believe in determinism to realize that, what he is attempting is just a way to point out the complexity of human coexisting and the so called human nature to create a coherent idea of values, which is however maybe coherent but never true in an analytical way. In other words: there can not be any empirical normative truth. This being pointless has been mentioned, BUT the goal has to be, to embrace some parts of, what we as a weird creature in this universe have been given. Which is first and foremost a) the feeling of freedom of thought, b) the ability of empathy and c) most importantly the desire to live, which we cannot counteract.

[@u13erfitz]

Causality or determinism surely exists. There fire truth exists. Truth is that the same as meaning. There isn’t a higher moral imperative than your own desires for the world. That doesn’t eliminate truth though.

[@waterfairy2011]

I somehow quite like Nihilism though. It gives me relief from anxiety and tells me that as life itself has no purpose or meanings, I can become anyone without worrying about wasting my life.

[@Joybuzzard]

Nihilism is the way out. The structure needs to be created with open eyes and cold facts, structures based on fictions like God or race or nations, structures created by forcing people to pretend to believe ridiculous drivel are always going to collapse. Nihilism acknowledges that there's no inherent meaning or purpose, but that allows the creation of meaning and purpose for it's own sake.

[@extremophile7123]

So if you are saying that nihilism is good then I agree

[@agentsquid9079]

@@extremophile7123 I wouldn't agree nihilism is good, but rather is the cause for good. Like how the darkness highlights light. Nihilism may make us realize we can create our meaning, yet nihilism itself isn't a good thing. The notion that everything is meaningless can be changed if the person perceving it changes their perception. What I'm saying is that nihilism is like being stuck in a cage, yet once we realize that freedom exists, then we will brake out of the cage. If you want to know how I view the notion of optimism and nihilism is this: Nihilism is basically giving up. Optimism is like driving with a blindfold. Obviously we can't give up, but we can't trust in hope either. Since we live in a world where both exists, we have to optimistic enough to not let deprrssion or constant set backs keeps us weak, yet not nihilistic enough to just call it quits and throw away that life is meaningless. We must remember, life CAN go good, life CAN go bad. But does it mean you'll always win or in the end fail? No. The point is to become someone wiser because the optimist sits down and waits for fortune, the nihilist sits down and waits for nothing. Instead have faith. Put meaning in your life. Nothing is truly meaningless, just because life is hard doesn't mean its useless. But that doesn't mean life is a dream where we can breeze through.

[@vacantbags6626]

joybuzzarD x Before there were these structures you speak of, like god and race and nations, there was nihilism. Nihilism comes before meaning. You contradict yourself by saying nihilism is the way out at the beginning and end it by saying it allows us to create new meaning. And of course you’re correct that there’s no inherent purpose or meaning, but don’t stop there, take that new wisdom and then believe in something. However we don’t exactly know if there really is no inherent meaning or purpose. Maybe there’s a puppet master behind all it all and our purpose is to produce an apex perfect human. What is scientifically true, is that humans need certain things to stay alive, and likewise we need certain things to motivate us and get us to participate in life outside of breeding. A belief system is as much psychologically necessary to stay healthy as insurance and responsible credit card usage is to financial health.

[@abdouliverpool247]

I agree with race and nations ...but GOD variates with people ..we all think of the same thing when you say race and nations ..but God is totally différent ..for an exemple there are who sees God as this bearded Guy living in the sky ..and there are those who sees God as this energetic and creative source ...that's why God would never collapse and would never be ended ..since the begenning of times till now ...God does exist ...some of us belive in his presense in the natural world and some believes his presense in only the minds ...but what ever you believe in ...God surely would never perishes .

[@callmeej8399]

Once again that’s existentialism an actual philosophical nihilism true to definition would realize there’s no meaning to create

[@TheLifePhoenix]

So insightful. One of the best by him that I've listened to. Thanks for this

[@isahjade1903]

6:19 "I'll protect you at the cost of your ability to protect yourself. NO. WRONG" Every over protective person can relate

[@DrWaadAminFitnessNutritionist]

Anybody knows what lecture was that or have a link to the full lecture?

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

11:00+ wow hes kind of *terrifyingly brilliant* here (specifically not everything hes done just here) because hes mapping out the incredible lives and work on behalf of others time space nature cosmology of so many no ones even heard of and thats many many of us

[@ThatBeardedWhiteGuy]

Didn't help in the end, I'm responsible for the terrible things that happened, sure but for most it's too late to do anything about it, and regret is useless, so what about my actual problems that are also my fault, well I lack the motivation to deal with it, simply because all I see around is fucking chaos, I tried my best to believe in something higher, in god, in the logos and even if I like the ideas, the whole surnatural part that there's gonna be a better world to be in after dealing with this awful one seems fictional and I can't convince myself of that. Nihilism sticks on my ass and my self awareness of it isn't sufficient to end it and idk why.

[@himanshurawat9327]

If the life is charted it is not a life worth living , life ought to be uncharted .

[@KB4QAA]

But without stars (philosophy/belief system) you have nothing to guide you or to steer by.

[@cat1800]

How can I solve my own problems if I cannot steal my problem from myself ?

[@JacketsOnFire]

I’m so frustrated with the idea that people have yet to give a good reason to convince me out of a nihilistic point of view.

[@ConflictedCrisis]

Are you unhappy with your nihilistic view?

[@TomFromYoutube]

This man is genius.

[@soundhealingbygene]

I hate being nihilistic and don't know how to change

[@truthseeker1871]

oh, yes, creativity. can't beat that. check out man with all his creativity and look at the world that you are living in today.

[@rhysiieboii]

Is there such a thing as positive nihilism? ** Edit: "Yes, it's called Optimistic nihilism"** I feel as though I am nihilistic, but just because nothing has a point and there is no real meaning to life, doesn't mean life can't be enjoyed and be a positive experience. I always connected with the fact that there is no purpose and we're here for no real reason, but never to the point that this has to steer us in a negative state of being.

[@Billmaster115]

Morality is a practical guide to reality. Nothing more or less. Arguments to the contrary are relativistic nonsense from those who deny their responsibilities and refuse to confront their own stupidity, and nihilism, regardless of ones perspective of life, is useless. It’s not about if it matters, nihilists are like ants without a Queen, they can’t go on without that calling of external forces guiding them. Nihilism is moral and intellectual apathy. They can’t rely on themselves to believe in anything else unless it were constituted by some all powerful god, which is an unrealistic standard, and ‘justifies’ there excuses to descend to the level existence worse than death. Existential nihilism, the most common reference, is believing that all things are without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. This is wrong. It’s not about what matters. What matters to you and do you believe it? If your answer is no because nothing matters, then you are similar to the slave that is said for not having a master to rule you. You cannot live without a master, and instead of being your own master, you wait endlessly for a master you know will never come. The excuse that all things are baseless hides a deeper truth, nihilists need a based set of ideas to exist properly, and because they set a bar so impossibly high they rarely return from it. I believe in things because I believe them, not because some god or organisation indoctrinated me into believing in them. I’m only certain of my own string of consciousness, I think, therefore, I am alive.

[@CITIZIN-X]

I'm gonna memorize this and it will be my prayer from now on

[@rajdeepmane795]

According to nietzsche, very few people are capable of forming new conceptions and values to deal with the unknown chaos. He called em ubermensch.

[@grimalteruism8641]

Divine being it sounds like

[@acehilm.]

When we realise meaning's intrinsic to human existence, To justify the means of what we experience, Go back a bar again - take a sec or you'll miss it, Now do you understand.. the human predicament? Can't live a life without a truth - without meaning, It's impossible for us to do... try it - you'll see it. No number one truth with a capital T, In the end life is meaningless and fleeting you see? And that's the truth I'm telling you that you can't accept, Even on your death bed when you're taking your last breath. Life is life, Life is pain, Deep down you know it's true, Bring life into this world: you condem it to death too.

[@xxxchain12midori19]

I escaped Nihilism by discovering and submitting to Jesus Christ, the Son of God. He is the Truth and the Light that we all search for! As a nihilist I would always think about the universe and how insignificant I am as a human being, and the randomness of it all. But by reading the gospels, I still left as a nihilist. That’s when it got bad when even the alleged word of God couldn’t move my heart and sway my mind. God couldn’t fit in my worldview, there wasn’t any space for a creator. Years passed, and loved ones died, goals were met, but I was still empty. But, I decided to try to believe, and started to pray. I felt fake, but still I tried. I read the gospels, and the words began to make since, but not in my worldview but in a different one that I was separated from. The seeds of the Kingdom of Heaven grew, and I began to believe and know, that Jesus is the Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. Just like the parable of the farmer sowing his seed, the word of God grows in you and you begin to see. Now I know a lot of this sounds like Mumbo Jumbo to most people, I’m self aware. But Jesus tells us the Word works in this way because “He who has ears to hear, let him hear." When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. Jesus replied “I do this so they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven,” the truth grows in you when you follow Christ. As a nihilist I was trying to make God fit in how I saw the world and I felt, I had no room for him. However after becoming born again, I realize that I need to fit Gods plan, and if I don’t trust in the word and repent of my sins, then he will reject me like I’ve rejected him all my life. But Jesus is mercy, and is God, which is the truth that we are all searching for.

[@crazy_ando0113]

Yeah, but which Christianity? There are a lot of denomination: catholich, orthodox, coptic, protestant? They can't all be right, and christians believe that if u are in the wrong one u go to hell anyway. Not convincing😕

[@Noobovitch]

chaos and suffering is not nihilism m8

[@frostinfy169]

He didn't say so

[@Noobovitch]

@@frostinfy169 the title says so

[@alighazi5844]

If you believe that there are no true believes, then you are truly believing in something ! Any thoughts guys?

[@kushkingla7385]

I feel the world is becoming more nihilistic everyday.

[@Stokkeland23]

I have had nihilistic thoughts since i was 8 years old. When i was around 12 these thoughts completed themselves. I still have gone no further then when i was 12. Now i'm 37. I still think the conclusions i reached when i was 12 is correct. Life is meaningless. Being in school is a prison cause you don't want to be there. Doing any sort of job is a prison cause you don't want to be there. All i want is "fun" This word fun is the only thing i find meaning in. What do i value most? My own time. I can't do things i don't want to do. I can't muster the strength to do them because of nihilism. Another problem. Let's start with how smart do i think i am? This is very relevant. I think i'm about 1: 10 000 smart. Gather 10 000 and i'm probably the smartest. Gather 100 000 and i'm probably not. But being smart is a curse. This gives you less interesting people to have conversations or connections with. You don't find joy in many things other do. So i believe IQ is a curse. I wish i was one of those mentally handicapped local village idiot types. They're the happiest people i ever see. Happy all the time. If there's a god i resent him for making me smart.

[@unspecifiedvirusofunknownr2931]

real smart man never claims himself smart.

[@Stokkeland23]

@@unspecifiedvirusofunknownr2931 I don't care what other people think of me. Humility and intelligence is not the same. Being fake humble is just fake. If you believe that saying you're smart excludes you from being smart then… Yeah… I'm many things, but fake is not one of them.

[@unspecifiedvirusofunknownr2931]

@@Stokkeland23 I don't care about you either. You just remind me of a guy who think he's smart, but ended being dumbest after he met different people. Real smart guy never claims himself to be smart.

[@Stokkeland23]

@@unspecifiedvirusofunknownr2931 Ok. Go argue with someone else. Bye.

[@unspecifiedvirusofunknownr2931]

@@Stokkeland23 whatever

[@jonathan4385]

You have a choice to make, and it’s to choose between two ultimate sufferings. The meaningless suffering and the meaningful suffering. Nihilism, is self-centered ultimately. Not in the way that is easily evident, but you become so self-aware and you think you’ve uncovered some sort of secret knowledge. Cannot be further from the truth. Your brain lies to you to try and seek certainty about your existence. Truthfully, I’ve suffered from depression, existential, motor, and health OCD. Started from career collapse right before Covid, Covid, and a hiatal hernia. I’m majoring in Philosophy at the moment with a minor in history, and have plunged myself into everything from Quantum mechanics to the history of Christianity. Nothing is as simple as it seems. It’s likely impossible to boil everything down to one certain theory or philosophy. I am finding true peace in Christ, and things in every area of my life simply do not make sense without Him. Even God. For those of you seeking, I ask that before you give yourself over to nothingness and that real darkness, research and more importantly give weight to your emotions. This excess importance of rationalism, does little to appease the very human parts of us, and our culture has moved so very far away from feeling and love. Give Jesus/Joshua/Yeshua a dedicated chance, and I guarantee you won’t be disappointed. Throw away all the dogma, and your preconceptions past hurts from religion, and seek Him yourself, and things will start to make more sense. You won’t ever find all the answers. I’m not promising that. But that is part of the relationship component of Christianity, and like any other, it takes a momentous amount of trust, faith, and reliance. Fear is a liar, don’t buy into it. Keep seeking.

[@manwhoismissingtwotoenails4777]

It doesn't matter that it doesn't matter.

[@alizd1096]

Ecclesiastes (bible book) feels nihilistic

[@breakdown7553]

Ngl, I am humble and say that it feels for me, that i literally cant handle nihilism. Some advocates of it might now feel they are better than me... but im not sure yet if nihilism in some way is like "a snake biting into its own tail". im too lazy to explain where im coming from with that. But i think when it comes to nihilsm, its totally valid to kinda, almost like in chemistry, take apart all of human psychology and sociology and then you find out: oh its the weak doing this, with morals, but those morals are just a weapon and then there are the strong ones and so on... but what im asking myself is: if that is the case, if like humanity figured itself in a way of establishing some sort of an "spiritual" moral codex...then maybe, there is not all wrong with it, you know? cause yes, flaws are there, but maybe the magic of it in is burried in the fact, that "morals" or religion kept more together, than it took apart. I know, the holy wars and all that....but wars and bloody shit happened with or without religion. So im really not sure with nihilism. I personally feel to weak to handle it while at the same time feeling, that eventually its also not wisdoms last clue. Cause if you can analyze humanity in such a radical way then you can als acknowledge the benifit of its outbursts in morals and religion and the benifit it may has, for exactly what Nietzsche points on in the first place. not sure if that makes sense...probably not.

[@oldskoolloner]

I wonder if emotional masochism and existential nihilism can go hand in hand.

[@Ounjai1575]

No tf. I am a very happy nihalist. I just dgaf about anything and live life minding my business.

[@kali11123]

But my protecting yourself is a way of confronting that which is the danger

[@matthewnegron1465]

I prefer an example giver. Tried and spoken.

[@tobberfutooagain2628]

People don’t want a belief system. They want truth. A hypocritical belief system is what you end up with.

[@Theendman42]

A Logical rebuttal of nihilism: The basis of nihilism is that everything has an end, and so everything is pointless. Except, it's not true that everything ends. The Universe mathematically and based on the laws of physics, is an infinite cycle. So we will be back again and again and again infinitely. Do you really want to make infinite misery for yourself and others? I sure wouldn't, we'll all be back again infinitely, living infinite lives, so that's, even more, a call to be the best we can, to live our lives and try our best in it. You can make it infinite misery for everyone, or you can choose infinite good. And if you want to cut your life short, you'd be doing so infinitely, so that's just stupid. Try to make something of yourself in whatever form that takes, live, love, overcome challenges.

[@littywitty5867]

Peterson is a smart guy, don’t get me wrong. But this philosophy he seems to promote does fall victim to infinite regression. If life’s purpose is to constantly overcome your struggles, you can never reach that place of eudaemonia, as problems will cyclicly emerge as you reach the next level to overcome. He seems to somewhat address it, but never recommends a benchmark of satisfaction. This is why I’ve adopted a stance that there is little need to overcome anything outside of your basic needs as a human. If you know how to get your food, water and shelter while suffering minimal bondage, the rest is confetti. Progression is after all a subjective term.

[@EgotisticalObserver]

There is no universal purpose to life, there is just your opinion on what the purpose of life is. People tend to think that there are answers to life’s biggest questions but they’re entirely subjective.

[@EgotisticalObserver]

Regression itself can regress. The more hardship you endure, the more likely you are to withstand future hardship and learn valuable lessons. Eventually, as you become stronger, smarter and wiser, you really won’t have nearly the same kind if struggles most likely. If you’ve become truly enlightened then it would take a MASSIVE struggle to make you regress. Changing your perspective and your beliefs will greatly change how the world affects you.

[@ali-eve4279]

It was so completely exhausting living in this state. I faced chaos whilst embracing our creator. Then I was truly free.

[@michaelwarwavesyn9391]

Videos that end too soon

[@sonGOKU-gy7rg]

this happened to me in general 😅

[@hackerhesays731]

UV , pg protected

[@demianhammock9041]

The Dude "He's a nihilist. Oh, that must be exhausting." The Big Lebowski

[@ancientbloodlineoflight]

Demian Hammock Hahaha!

[@deltad3592]

@Kevin Diehl ow the edge

[@Gallowglass7]

You can't unsee it; that's th eproblem

[@ozzylepunknown551]

@@Gallowglass7 its like when you learn Santa isn't real

[@LordOfNihil]

ive yet to find nihilism exhausting. i can use an abstraction of the world, that's what belief systems are. there are probibly people more nihilistic than myself that go to church every sunday trying to blend in with the other zebras. athiests just use science as their belief system even if they dont partake in it themselves, they don't even read science papers. i wonder how many christians actually read their bibles. my mom' s a bible thumper and i know the bible better than she does. thats what i define as a safe space, needing an abstraction to separate themselves for chaos and then not questioning it too hard. pull the strings and it unravels so you don't touch the strings. but i love chaos. i pull strings to see what will happen. i dismantle order and find beauty. most people run in terror.

[@Zephyrione]

Whether you agree or disagree with all this. I personally prefer teachers like this that put thought, experience, and theory at the forefront of their lectures. Instead of telling people to regurgitate information from books. Tjis way you can form your own thoughts from a wider perspective

[@manavbal4666]

Who tf cares what u prefer

[@AlbertBasedman]

@@manavbal4666 you're being a dick, how about just shutting the fuck up?

[@allaamrauf8214]

@@manavbal4666 Fuck off you tosser

[@eliaskjrbo8142]

People can’t have a conversation with more than 1 reply without the conversation going straight to hell.

[@eliaskjrbo8142]

@@manavbal4666 by commenting that you imply that someone would care about your opinion on the original comment.

[@l_bcash8057]

Peterson is some kind of inverted Rick Sanchez

[@dvnnixo273]

Thankyou for this. You commented what I didn't even know I was thinking

[@victorianoroque4983]

Oh my God you're right

[@Boogaloo_Baloo]

Kind of. Rick is a cosmic nihilist. Peterson describes it. He takes from it too. Idk but yea. Its funny tho you can def see things in RaM that are greatly described by Peterson.

[@bobafett4457]

@@Boogaloo_Baloo that's because the show is based on nihilism

[@bashfulray7982]

He ia the rick of our universe one's who's quite good

[@ellafearless9700]

i read this book and now im a nihilist.. i dont want to be.. but here we are.. and now i dont know what to do..

[@jasper8961]

Are you still one

[@fhhghhj3045]

same same same

[@Jayisafunkydude]

Did you clean your room?

[@--SHEPHERD-OF-MOTHER-EARTH--]

It's a test from the God's! Prove your wroth! U got this! I believe in u! SKÅL my friend! 💪😎👍

[@alphaahom]

blatantly exist and have faith in the odds, we ain't here "forever"

[@TLOIAcademy]

Nihilism almost ruined my entire life. I didn't even know this "ism" existed. Almost, till some help came along at the last moment.

[@rviesnes2062]

Same until I found out it’s an actual belief last night. Thanks logic

[@GuidedbyCrows]

I bet it would if you lack a certain dark sense of humor. Grab some popcorn and observe the end of all things.

[@XxDeathxX509]

I just found out a few minutes ago. Apparently I’m a nihilist

[@danijeanes5078]

So what is the treatment for nihilism?

[@danijeanes5078]

@@goodwillambassador4102 thank you Luke I'd like to watch it, but is it helpful in overcoming nihilism? Part of the problem is searching for information which gets you ticking again.. I want to find some solutions or help. I know enough about it, living with it and searching... Ehhhh

[@sucapizda]

I wonder how many students are completely lost??

[@ordinaryextraordinarybrotha]

LOL

[@BerylWalubengoAnyitiNanyama]

LMAO 😂😂😂

[@AlbertBasedman]

@@fsfaludi jesus christ, i understood, how the hell can you guys not?

[@triggered8556]

FRANCIS FALUDI this is a snippet from one of his many lectures on a subject. Watch the entire lecture and maybe you can follow him lol.

[@joexer1]

@@fsfaludi har har

[@Ricco5uave]

As he says, find yourself in the middle, last I checked, those seeking liberty (freedom, responsibility, truth, and industriousness) straddle the middle, seeking neither too much control nor too much chaos. They find ways to shoulder the responsibly of life. Accept that suffering is a part of humanity. Take blame for your weakness/corruption and move foreword to improve your life and those around you. Today and next week, and next year.

[@thusspokezarathustra5179]

Yeah be PC. Go to the Center (Middle). I though Jewrdan is the new hope of a intellectual conservative. Peterson is a Zionist shill.

[@--SHEPHERD-OF-MOTHER-EARTH--]

Well said my friend! You are truly wrothy! The God's watch over u! SKÅL

[@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496]

​@@thusspokezarathustra5179 wait how can you be anti PC and be a zionist shill? i feel they both can exist without the other? and how does fixing your life make you a zionist shill? because that's what Jordan is talking about here. I didn't see any stars of David's being flexed my man loool

[@Justaswise]

Hey bud did the Rona get you

[@samdung5630]

"Every man gives his life for what he believes. Every woman gives her life for what she believes. Sometimes people believe in little or nothing, and so they give their lives to little or nothing. One life is all we have, and we live it as we believe in living it…and then it’s gone. But to surrender who you are and to live without belief is more terrible than dying - even more terrible than dying young. Joan of Arc"

[@user-yo7br5wb2z]

A true nihilist knows that there is no negative and positive, no good or bad, no right or wrong. Everything exist within the void. Nothing has a value outside of our mind.

[@marcelozerbini5411]

Yet if given the choice between a bar of chocolate or a fist in the chin people overwhelmingly opt for the chocolate. Eerie

[@thecarlitosshow7687]

Exactly, they reject moral principles or any principles/standard or authority outside themselves. A true nihilist goes insane (just like Nieztche did later on in his life).

[@cerostymc]

@@marcelozerbini5411 that everything is meaningless doesn't mean that we can't give it our own meaning

[@unspecifiedvirusofunknownr2931]

@@cerostymc yeah then if you give your own meaning to something meaningless, then you're not true nihilist

[@Davaglieo2000]

@@thecarlitosshow7687 I wonder why he went insane. My lens is that nihilism is just the way things are and have always been (no meaning, no morals, and no purpose). Ppl have gotten by this far with these faulty belief systems. That means that whether we freak out or not is just a matter of perspective. I won’t take my ideas so seriously that they cause me to go insane. We have a pretty tragic existence (having no purpose and all that), but the freedom to literally do whatever we want (with the consideration of physical limitations) with no universal rules or limitations is pretty beautiful/incredible. It makes me want to stick around and see what more I can learn and do.

[@Jlouishardy]

Imagine a world where we all have a clear purpose and share our gifts with each other to better each other. This is what I want to create while I'm still here.

[@dynmicpara]

A moral, stoical baseline of civilized behavior is needed for this--start with the last 5x of the 10x Commandments for the Israel experiment.

[@Sweethands4]

I'd say Good Luck but luck has nothing to do with it. Your "imagined world" is an IMPOSSIBLE fiction. You as an individual CAN have that exact experience for some finite amount of time, but the entire species on this planet will never be that.

[@DubTurd]

(hard) determinism --> nihilism --> cure = existentialism

[@noxplay4906]

Cure=religion and/or objective philosophies centered on family and duty to society like Stoicism. I trust my ancestors more than self-righteous academics and narcissists who want to justify their lack of concern for anything outside of their selfish sphere through philosophical means

[@exacerbatedfellow1236]

My former friend is a nihilist. She is now on her 8th year of undergrad with a 2.1 GPA, doesn't try to excel at anything, constantly moves cities and realizes she hates them not even 5 months living there, gets stoned off her ass using various substances, and fucks anything that moves. Her other friends were the same way. She really was depressing.

[@sigmachadtrillioniare6372]

This is the point, ideas like nihilism were made during depressing times, and depressed people to cope with reality use nihilism as an excuse.

[@zacharymilton8120]

@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 I dont think Nihilism is an excuse and it was never intended to be used in that manner. Reading the works of Nietzsche shows that Nihilism manifests itself in two ways. Passive and active. The Passive individual concludes that there is neither objective nor subjective meaning in life. Concludes this in a depressing manner and often leads to physical harm. Active Nihilists find no objective meaning in life yet intend to continue searching the subjective experience to find meaning that makes their life worth living. Nihilism as written by Nietzsche is more of a transitioning phase than it is a stagnant belief system. Two prominent answers to Nihilism is Existentialism and Absurdism. I feel Absurdism places three well defined outcomes to objective meaningingless found in Nihilism. Philosophical suicide or turning to faith in the divine and the abandonment of logical reasoning. Physical suicide, surrendering to meaningless and finding no means that justify an extended existence. Acceptance, concluding that yes the objective reality appears to be logically meaningingless however subjective experiences certainly exist that give reason and joy to life and that these experiences should take precedence as a reason to continue living. That the subjective reality you create for yourself, unique to you can become your own psychological coping structure that makes sense. Life as it is can and should be enjoyed. Interestingly enough these ideas derive from Nihilism. So Nihilism is not absolute in its nature as a pessimistic and depressing sentiment, but a trivial opportunity for growth and finding a purpose true to self that can end poorly for some.

[@sigmachadtrillioniare6372]

@@zacharymilton8120 there is no such thing as philosophical suicide, people simply hold different world views. Some people just don't care about meaning of life and stuff and thus don't bother it. As we know reality (which is unknown) is unchanging despite our believes, weather athiest or theist. Nihilism is subjective, no matter how you twist the defination. Life is simply life, it's not limited by meaning or meaninglessness, it's driven by our desires and other emotions. Life is Just life. Weather you'll have another or not. Weather there is a higher power or not.

[@zacharymilton8120]

@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 It's not a twisted definition. That comes directly from Nietzsches writings. You said Nihilism is an excuse used by depressed people to cope with reality in response to somebody saying their Nihilist friend is depressed. Seems you somewhat defined it then followed that by saying it's subjective, which would have no absolute definition and that would make your idea that its an excuse a twisted use of it. Nietzsche despised systems, and Nihilism isn't meant to be systematic. Hence his presentation of it as a transitionary stage. Have you read any of his works by chance? Camus defined philosophical suicide on the basis that philosophy is a study of general and fundamental questions and the questions are posed as problems to be studied or solved. He calls religious belief a philosophical suicide because it requires abandonment of logical reasoning. It no longer intends to study, resolve or seek answers, instead it places faith in extreme divine where all has been answered. Nihilism is often misunderstood and thus misrepresented.

[@sigmachadtrillioniare6372]

@@zacharymilton8120 religious beliefs are philosophical Suicide? Maybe christanity, but all religions especially the eastern once work differently. They actually have texts which are thought provoking. Also, what I meant by my first comment was about most nihilists. It wasn't a definition. Also, nihilism with whatever defination it has, it is subjective. As life isn't bound by meaning or meaninglessness irrespective of the existence of God and afterlife.

[@jacqueganet4568]

How does someone talk so fluently and cohesively for so long! An astounding pleasure to listen to, the students are privileged to have heard this first hand.

[@fishtolizard3930]

It starts with thinking. He’s simply communicating stuff that he’s thought and thought about... You can do the very same thing. Everything Is Music; Always Be Listening...

[@ghoste_girll]

I became a nihilist as i was experiencing my existential crisis and it was such a hard time for me.. I attempted suicide due to my detachment/depressive episodes and every day was a challenge to me rethinking my whole life .. But there is positive things from it.. Still working on embracing it but hearing from other ppl who have experience gives me hope to see the good in it

[@andyc9902]

There is no meaning. Just eat . Sleep. Have sex. Like animals. Animals are happy. No concept of money

[@carlose8268]

How are you doing right now with that? I'm in the same situation

[@ghoste_girll]

@@carlose8268 still struggling man , glad to know im not the only one

[@carlose8268]

@@ghoste_girll actually, this whole generation is struggling with existencial crisis more than ever in history, we're not all one at all.

[@carlose8268]

@@ghoste_girll why did your crisis started?

[@Tehz1359]

I think this discussion should always lead to existentialism. I have incorporated some existentialist themes into my worldview. Which many will confuse with nihilism. Existentialism is mostly about conquering nihilism, and not falling into it's clutches. I'm hesitant to claim that there is a universal purpose to human life. And if there is one, it's will to power. This is one of the things I thought Nietzsche got right. Being an existentialist is all about creating your own meaning, values and purpose. It's anti-herd mentality in the most extreme sense. It acknowledges the fact that there is no universal purpose to life, but it also acknowledges that humans can't just believe in nothing, and to be a nihilist is weak. But, my break with the rest of existentialism is that I don't think most people are capable of being existentialists without falling into nihilism. And that I think there is a human nature. Many existentialist thinkers say there isn't, but I think this is unfounded. The herd mentality is very much a part of human nature, and only a select amount of people are capable of prying themselves out of it. These are typically the people who make up the elite, or become philosophers. I honestly don't think herd mentality is inherently a bad thing, nor do I think extreme individualism is inherently a good thing. Imagine if the entirety of civilization suddenly declared themselves existentialists, society would collapse into utter chaos. I can't even conceive of a society where everyone was a free-thinking individual. So this is why I'm not a full on existentialist. I think it fails to account for human nature, much like liberalism does as well. But the things I think existentialism gets right, is that humans are not rational beings, and while objective truths like the hard sciences are important, they will never be capable of fully understanding the human experience.

[@nyoodmono4681]

I think that you seperate Existentialism from Nihilism too much. Because what Nietzsche essentialy said is by accepting that god is dead and confronting yourself with the abyss of mortality, infinity and seemingly meaninglessness, you will be able to rise from this by accepting that the hear and now and with it you, yourself become the meaning and that you do not need any salvation in the afterlife and stop being basicly a sheep. However, this comes to a price which all excistentalists had: Weltschmerz, since nearly everyone elses around you lives a life mundane.

[@Durrttyy]

:)

[@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496]

best take I've seen here. if everything gets sucked into a black hole in a million years it's all meaningless anyway. but we were given a light from the void. whatever you believe in, GOD, the void, or nothing and we are just pure coincidence. might as well enjoy that light that we're thrusted into while we have it. before we return from whence we came. rather spend time growing or have fun before the inevitable death. I think spending the next xx years staring at a wall cuz it's all meaningless seems kinda lame. when you can win at stuff, read stuff, or pig out and die from heart failure. even enjoy nature because it is what it is. not what it think it is. my take on it all. going out with a smile. I can ponder meaninglessness with GOD or the void after death. not during it.

[@sliceofbread29yrago52]

Brilliant comment, you're on a higher leval of thinking :)

[@dynmicpara]

You won't existentially define ANYTHING when BURNING IN HELL FOREVER.

[@AgenoriaModelTrains]

I turn 30 years old in a month and looking back on the course of my 20s I noticed how unhappy I have become. Things I used to like or were indifferent to I now have a strong disapproving opinion on. Even my basic day-to-day interactions with people often result in me thinking about lots of things. I get irate about making small mistakes in public like being asked to step back from something if I am getting too close, this is because I get mad at myself for not being aware enough and for it taking somebody else to spot something that I was too blind to notice. I really rip into myself afterwards because I feel like I am the only person in the world who makes that mistake. I have been trying for years to change my job but it feels like nothing much is out there that has better pay than my job, I always feel like 'what are the options?' or 'where do I go from here?' kind of thing. That's why I've been stuck in the same miserable job for the past 6 years. If I don't do something soon I feel like I am going to go out of my mind.

[@Peter-jo6yu]

Have a good belief system dude, there's no problem believing in a higher power and afterlife. And get the help of a psychotherapist to help you. Sending hugs your way 🤗❤️

[@groam6666]

I'm pretty much a nihilist and a cynic. I don't think there is purpose to life. I don't think anything we do or can rationally as objectively moral, but I do think the feelings we were given as humans such as empathy, compassion, cruelty, selfishness, etc is what defines morality of the day. That's the point though right, "I think." There has always been different laws, morals and just ways of doing things in general that hurt or benefited humans. That is always subject to change. Is there a universal morality? I say no. Should there be and should humans defend it to the death, yes. For the longest time humans have been inventing creative ways to punish and kill each other through torture for example. The main purpose was to maim, inflict suffering, and to make examples of people for the longest time. We also have the evolutionary side of trying to pass on our genes (accompanies our nurturing spirit for our blood but not anyone else in general). At the end of the day, I think the golden rule applies in terms of quality of life, because things like that can be measured. The common element is that we all want to live how we want to live, right or wrong, it's the closest discussion that can be made to how we as humans should organize.

[@CESSKAR]

Just let's be witnesses of pervasive nothingness.

[@theequatableskeptic8148]

Though I see no intrinsic meaning I know in the eyes of my wife, sisters, mother and father I represent meaning to them. This is in part sufficient for me to have 'meaning'

[@themarkofl1649]

That's very brave and profound. Thanks for sharing brother. God bless you.

[@theequatableskeptic8148]

@@themarkofl1649 You too my friend

[@cloudybrains]

9:19 "Could we make the world a place where no one is suffering more than necessary..." Yep just kill everyone 9:22 "...and still allow the world to exist" Oh shit he's onto me

[@urbanwinterhound8863]

I've been having existential despair/panic and its been giving me anxiety, I feel like Dr. Peterson is helping out 😁😁abstract thinking is fun and scary

[@jasper8961]

It sure is. How're you now?

[@ferricyanide8112]

How are you doing?

[@dfredankey]

@HIRO - (016) how are all of YOU doing now

[@citizenblue]

We as humans are fortunate that videos like this are freely available. More of us need to educate ourselves to the best of our ability.

[@Jingling-MelO]

I feel everyone would benefit from this video. Especially so for those who have reached a nihilistic outlook. But also for those who have an open mind to absorb this information. At the very least, every parent would benefit from this lecture.

[@SkaterBlades]

The way i view life is as a nihilist, to put it simply i do not believe life has a meaning and everything i say or do does not matter in the long run as 50 to 150 years after i die i will be forgotten, no one will remember my voice or my loves or my interests. Even after that the world will eventually end and after that our solar system will collapse and nothing will remain, thus there are no meaningful, tangible and everlasting consequences for our actions. Our emotions are simply chemicals running through our brains and it can be beneficial for our own sakes to ignore or transform them. I also believe that belief systems themselves take control away from individuals. There are many, many reasons people may believe a religion or vote for a party such as the area you were born and raised. I was born into a Christian family however if i was born in the middle east i would have been a muslim when i was growing up. Belief systems can change due to a multitude of factors such as new information or a challenge to your existing belief. Even my nihilism has come about from environmental factors and my personal experiences. The only thing i know for certain is that i will never know everything which is the case for everyone who ever lived or will live. Because no one can do this objectivity can never be truly achieved which means there will always be new information to challenge and discredit every belief system, meaning no beliefs have meaning to them, no truth. The best we can do, as humans is go with systems that have been shown to work better than others. If i get I'll i will go to a hospital and use modern medicine, i won't use the theories of galen or hippocrates as modern medicine has been proved to work better, however in the future there are likely to be people who think that we were idiots for believing modern medicine was the best choice when their healthcare is better. I've just started reading beyond good and evil so my opinions may change within the next few weeks but this is what i believe and think going into it

[@madhurbanger3108]

Can u share ur beliefs now??

[@number1kas]

This is exactly correct and I've had the exact same realizations as you. It's the most logical truth that we as humans can formulate together and anything else created around it were most likely forms of control or to keep us civil from our animalistic nature.

[@Evil0tto]

If emotions were mere "chemicals running through our brains" then you couldn't ignore them. A group of chemicals has no will, no identity, no ability to do anything other than what it does. When I dissolve salt in water the salt doesn't have a choice in the matter. Iron doesn't get a vote about whether it wants to rust or not. In a purely physical sense, not getting into spirituality or anything of the sort, you are a chunk of the universe that it aware of itself. A group of atoms that is capable of doing something other that what it is supposed to do. Chemicals with a choice. Every time you make any decision, no matter how trivial, you are showing just what an amazing thing life and sentience is. We humans may be trivially small in the grand scheme of things, but we have a capacity the greatest objects in the universe don't have. The sun is a tremendous ball of nuclear fusion far larger than our planet, and it is merely one of hundreds of billions in our galaxy, which is one of countless trillions... but a sun will never do anything other than what it does. It will use up its hydrogen, begin "burning" helium, and eventually burn out and collapse. If there was no life this universe would follow the path it was always going to, and eventually end in heat death or collapse. You are far greater than the sun in that regard. You have CHOICES. Life is change in an otherwise static universe. Sentience is the ability to WILLINGLY change the universe. You don't have to know everything. If you did, you'd be God. What you do matters, as you show when you write of modern medicine. If the scientists and doctors were nihilists you wouldn't have access to it, because they never would have bothered to study or learn. And Galen and Hippocrates and all of those who came before are the foundation of that. Modern medicine did not spring into existence whole. It is a process of learning and experimentation that started with people trying treatments and coming up with theories. Ultimately you've already provided your own refutation of nihilism.

[@stephenasmith273]

@@Evil0tto the point of life is to live. As you said we are a chunk of the universe that is aware of itself and that leads me to believe that we serve no purpose other than making the most out of our life.

[@callmeej8399]

@@stephenasmith273 but there’s nothing to make out of nothing

[@helenarichard]

Exposure to your fears is the only cure. I had bad jobs because I had problems with calling. I decided I was anxious because of a lack of experience, and I got a job where I called 100% of the time and I did great.

[@followwind1471]

0:32 OMFG I'm here guys I'm exactly at this point right now! BANG I'm in chaos.. So glad someone is giving the monster a name, thought I was going crazy.

[@freedomtownn]

How'd it work out because SAME.

[@senmonkashonen5875]

@@freedomtownn yes it happened to me when I get out of my religion, people who have this problem have something to do with disappointment, untrustworthy and resentment

[@freedomtownn]

@@senmonkashonen5875 I got out and over it. Required a lot of soul searching, I think mine was to do with disappointment as well.

[@senmonkashonen5875]

@@freedomtownn yes you feel disappointment by the truth , and a strange untrustworthiness for nearly all belief systems, you feel numb and apathy. I hope everyone can heal from it, it is so destroying to the human potential specially if you are young enough

[@robertdamari4330]

Yeah, it perfectly explained the situation, most expertly.

[@livetransmission1949]

You know i been listening to jordan for a while now,. Must be a burden to have all this information. I think I just enjoy listening to him because its fine art.

[@vid2ification]

The only thing that makes humans different than animals is the obsession to be unique or special. You aren't, I am not, no human is.

[@chrisdriver7776]

I can actually feel my character aligning when I listen to Jordan Peterson... Not joking.

[@CoopsNME]

What is your alignment these days? And what was it like before you delved into his works? (I realize this is an old comment hope you see it!)

[@Jingling-MelO]

For me it isn't exactly character alignment, as much as it teaches the importance of balance between chaos and order. Meaning which ever u feel is opposing you, to accept it as part of the answer instead of removing it to be replaced with the opposite. To clarify, accept both chaos and order in your conclusion/solution as it would be unwise to seek an absolute answer in one or the other.

[@analogaudiorules1724]

i dont know why people hate him lol hes tellin like it is, its a shame he got cut off near the end. He was really starting to make a good point, does anyone know if there is a continuation of this same chat?

[@robjames3513]

Because he's a dispassionate asshole who only has compassion for the well. He interjects his politics into his work and he's an unethical therapist and academic.

[@oscarbaltodano6457]

7:57 oh, hey preofessor peterson. Don't mind me, just gonna go sit down now. XD

[@banderwinston9957]

This man is putting the efforts to identify and determine the right world or place between the deep dark abyss of the nihilistic fate and a blind faith , which was comfortable one day and had strong defense mechanism against the chaos of being just human . People who lost their blind faith and ended up nihilistic and are eaten by the meaninglessness find it difficult to form a new value system or restore an old one. This man knows the pain. May Allah rewards you Dr Jordan Peterson . Thank you

[@timn6643]

Bander Winston you’re talking about absurdism

[@laramiemonroe6892]

where did allah come from if you are not talking about blind faith

[@GuidedbyCrows]

I value being stimulated. And I value laughing at it all. I value watching the rise and fall of all this phenomena.

[@dfredankey]

@@laramiemonroe6892 maybe his faith is not blind for him he has found meaning some people dont find much meaning and thats "blind faith"

[@callmeej8399]

I think that part doesn’t get talked about enough. Since there’s really not an answer most just wave it off saying “make your own meaning” but in a meaningless world it just keeps eating at you as you realize it’s all just fictions. For me to function better I’ve had to start taking on some blind faith that the answers of the universe are not certain yet and there’s still a chance for a higher purpose that can reflect in a life of responsibility.

[@byron3678]

where can I watch the rest?

[@Petran892]

There are the lectures of him online

[@jonathanFX12]

Basically, don’t fight for people if they don’t need you to; teach them how to fight well.

[@UN1VERS3S]

Nihilism: We're cursed that we evolved way too much to realize everything is pointless. The Right, Natural, Normal and Healthy Thinking: We received a gift of life to constantly improve different areas in our lives and create appropriate meaningful relationships.

[@markarmage3776]

That's totally meaningless, dummy. Go study some physics, some math as well. The deterministic nature of sizeable life undeniably makes your existence truly meaningless. Because meaning is a concept that doesn't really exist. Keep lying to yourself but it can't change the truth. Never can, never will be.

[@ninjaempire9093]

@@markarmage3776 “meaning doesn’t exist” is true nihilism. Life has no meaning, and can’t possibly have one because there is no such thing as meaning

[@1invag]

My belief system is thus, trust in myself and faith in those I care for. I have a congregation of 1 😋 haha

[@thyeconomy]

Everything under the sun is vanity, a generation comes and a generation goes and all are striving after the wind.

[@TK-cs1qc]

Ecclesiastes 1:14

[@nopulpapple991]

@MRL Shakespeare. Macbeth. It's okay, you can cite it! Haha

[@ericcolney]

Jordan Peterson is the dad you never had

[@ABO-Destiny]

Any system collapses if it does not have faith in or does not give importance to individual differences and capabiities. People will take up belief systems or discard those as and when they truly need those, ignoring that will just create problems not solve any.

[@angeloschena3712]

God Bless you Dr. Peterson. There should be a little of you in every human being.

[@luna-p]

Jesus Christ no

[@robjames3513]

Yeah, he's a great messenger for hypocrisy.

[@ArthurIAHamm]

Wow how i would love to be that guy who walks in and sees Jordan Peterson lecturing the class.

[@onlyb6854]

So should one just believe in there own belief system?, Being that the power in belief itself above all else is what actually makes things work for individuals.

[@cheesygobblens]

He fuckin’ nailed the stolen problem argument. That is the best he’s ever articulated that point

[@anhbayar11]

The true meaning of life is meaningless.

[@faithplays198]

So what are we supposed to do?

[@drbonerstein8411]

@@faithplays198 Pick a goal and go for it with hope and optimism, even if it is impossible.

[@Badbufon]

​@Mirza Nomaan no, just be true to yourself and follow your own goals, nihilism means that there isn't a pre-established meaning in life, humans have free will. humans have made a structure out from chaos, but it's just man made, it's fake, it has no real meaning, we could make our own rules there isn't one single reality or a single truth. people that oppose nihilism doesn't get it or have ulterior goals, like this peterson guy, mixing philosophy with religion.

[@CheRry-km8cj]

@@faithplays198 you either live your best live or you rot. There are no rules. You decide. I think i would pick the first one if i was you

[@drbonerstein8411]

@Mirza Nomaan No of course not, but humans require a goal for their mental well-being. That's what I meant because that's the only way to progress.

[@Nalters]

Don’t know our limitations 🤔 That’s a good thing about reality to keep life from getting boring

[@mr.jamesdavidrobert2115]

There are only two choices: Nihilism, or Delusion

[@Keerthivasen12]

Damn... I was thinking no one would get this...

[@SejSaaChannel]

You are pre-supposing in your statement. How if you are in a delusional mindset, you can't know if your reality is a delusion or not, the same can be said with nihilism. Nihilism presupposes that there are no objectivity, but how can you know that for a fact? Our limits of what we can presceive is clouding of judgment either way. We can only be certain of the "cogito", the rest seems to be out of our depths. It's harder to even prove something to be a Truth, rather than saying it's a lie.

[@mr.jamesdavidrobert2115]

SejSaaChannel dude, thanks for making the effort to share these ideas. It’s thought candy that will take me some time to digest. Once I’ve considered your ideas, I’ll make a response. Good job.

[@SejSaaChannel]

@@mr.jamesdavidrobert2115 The philosophers have done most of the thinking already for us. I am only giving the thoughts of Descartes and Nietzche on just this topic. Hopefully we will be just as wise in our thinking as them in the future.

[@SejSaaChannel]

@@obedientdrone1179 I wish i was this philosophical in my young days. Started reading and watching alot now in my 20's, but i feel like it's better to seek knowledge late than never like many people now a days. Poundering about life and philosophical questions should be a thing for all of us. Many people in the world go through their life without even trying to seek knowledge of these kinds of things, when this should be their priority in life. Ps. I live in Norway, so my english might be bad sry in advance.

[@bernarduscairncross2221]

When I became completely free of a believe in a god, I found myself in a new, unknown mental space, I then had to fill up this new space with content I wanted. It worked for me, no longer do I struggle or wrestle with belief in a god. I also have no issue entering a religious home, place of worship or engaging with religious people etc. I have also been able to accept the finality of death and also knowing that our species will cease to exist, because immortality for our species is not a right. It's not a given. We shall become extinct and then new evolved species shall appear.

[@CoverageAwarenessStudio]

Ending the belief systems is proper!

[@essencetaiji1745]

Brilliant and spot on!

[@tysonbell3524]

nihilism isn't inherently bad, it's just not belonging to a belief/s which is okay. A lot of people in this comment section are confusing pessimism and apathy with nihilism. I for example am an optimistic nihilist. A glass may be half full or half empty, who cares, just throw the whole thing away and live life in whatever way you enjoy. believe in religion or good and evil are just things people have made to cope with life. The stars weren't made for us at the end of the day, it's just luck that we're here today. However if you want to believe in a god, morality, ect that's okay. I don't need to believe in it but I'll respect your beliefs because fundamentally i'm not an arsehole.

[@Beiskraft]

A great master once said, "There are no isolated acts".

[@ozzylepunknown551]

There is no way out, its like when you learn Santa isn't real.