Cheap AMD Radeon Low Profile Graphics Cards - Are they worth it?

[@garchamp9844]

I have had a 7570 that I’ve used in various retro projects over the years, and even as a backup in a friends PC when he had to RMA his RX 5700 XT at the peak of the video card crisis. It does everything you would want it to do in Windows XP, and it is cool and quiet as can be. Best 20 dollars I ever spent.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice 🙂

[@mattpierce5009]

You just made the 8570 a lot more interesting to me - I've seen it a billion times but always assumed the slower memory would hold it back vs the 7570. Wow was I wrong, especially after overclocking I think an 8570 will be perfect for my Phenom X3 SFF. Thanks for yet another useful video Phil

[@philscomputerlab]

Yup I also was sceptical because of GDDR3, but turns out it's a winner. Better drivers, 4K60, decent OC and still XP compatible :)

[@kyles8524]

I thought the same thing. I thought maybe he had the graph names wrong at first

[@virtualtools_3021]

i can overclock that 8570 i got by over 50%! it does run much hotter with such an oc, but you can't beat price/perf for low profile single slot cards, have it in my server for better video out and running local MC instance

[@Sam-K]

I think something like an HD7770 or 7790 would be a far better choice. The HD7790, for example, is over twice the card and I found one for like $25 a few years ago so about the same price as an HD8570 a.k.a R5-240/340/430 etc. Also loves to overclock (1,150MHz core / 1,600MHz memory). So far no regrets.

[@kyles8524]

@@Sam-K yeah but this video is showcasing low profile cards that dont need extra power

[@Ethorbit]

I picked one of these up 2 weeks ago, because I needed a very low power GPU for non important tasks (mostly just remotely accessed the machine, no APU on hand) They cost almost nothing in the used market, you can get some of them for as cheap as $8 or $9, so I'd say they are definitely worth it in that regard. Interesting to see a recent video cover them.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

Philday makes my holidays even better!

[@terrapinflyer273]

Thanks for covering benchmarks in older games! Not many reviewers do that. I don't have much interest in playing newer AAA titles (though it would be nice). Debating whether I want to upgrade my 12+ yr old system monthly or invest a bit more into a more decent setup.

[@philscomputerlab]

New games would really struggle on these cards and I feel it's better to show what you CAN use them for rather than just show them struggling.

[@andrewmcewan9145]

On the gcn card at least a bunch of newer games will run fine at quite low settings. Things like gtav, battlefield 3,4,5, fortnight, rocket league It seems to be arround a vega 8 in tearms of performace. As for upgrading your build it really depends on what you have to give advice on what to do. But a second/third gen i5 + a low end gpu. I recommed getting something dx12 complient Some examples are a gt1030 Hd 7790 R5 550 And a cheep ssd would be a real good starting point. The 7790 may be the sweetsopt if wanting to run xp. Core2s and amds II line are quite long in the tooth now. For true modern games 2020+ I consder a gtx 970 tier to be lowend choose between 1080p under 60 or lower res 60+ at settings where the games look current gen. (Cyberpunk, halo infinate etc..) Pre 2020 ish games that drops to a 7850 tier (Borderlands 3, red ded remption 2 etc) As for gpu uarchs Nvidia Fermi - good for dx11 well supported for its time issues with later dx11 era titles Kelper- bad support on modern games (doom, doom eternal notably) usally cheeper than gcn horrible dx12 support dxfl 11. Maxwell-some modern games preform worse than expected no agreious issues yet.(end of xp support) Pascal no real issues. No boost in performance from dx12 but no real loss ither. Turing and newer - still supported bonous fetures like dlss and rt. Gets boost from dx12. No notable issues. Amd Vilw/tarasale - avoid like plague unless specifically needed eirly eol drivers has lots of issues with games past 2015 notably higer cpu load then fermi. Gcn1 - dx11 fl,good dx12/vulken support moderste profrmance boost. Use moded drivers. Gcn2 full dx 12_0 support use moded drivers. Issues in modern games without moded drivers. (End of xp support) Gcn3- same as 2 no xp drivers. Gcn4 still supported no notable issues. Rdna - weird transition uarch no notable issues. Rdna2 - adds raytracing implementation worse than nvidia.

[@stephendetomasi1701]

Hey Phil - you should take a good look at modified drivers for the older Terascale 2 cards. It made a pretty substantial improvement to performance for me. Also, DisplayPort 1.2 should be able to do 4K 60hz - but sometimes you need to configure a custom resolution using CRU. Use CVT-RB2 timings and start from 30hz and bump it up from there.

[@adriananzano2292]

this is interesting, i have an HD 8490 i bought a while back and it would be interesting to try and BIOS mod it

[@Lady_Zenith]

@@adriananzano2292 He said it wrong. He siad It has DP 1.4. The 8570 has DP 1.2, all 28nm GCN Radeons have that. The older cards don't even have 1.2, that's why they cant do 4K60.

[@andrewmcewan9145]

What modified drives did you use. I only know of nimez and UnifL(tarascale 1 afaik) I have a few tarascale 2 cards and would love to test more drivers.

[@andrewmcewan9145]

@@adriananzano2292 if it is gcn1 try using vbe9 as that is what i use for my 7950's

[@saxxonpike]

I have installed a number of these in old Optiplex and other machines that take SFF cards for WinXP projects- they're surprisingly good for WinXP gaming, extremely cheap and available.

[@mesterak]

Thank you Phil for another Happy Friday!

[@Castaa]

It's so funny you posted video about these cards today. I spent the last week pricing and comparing AMD low profile cards to upgrade a trash picked mAXT small form factor computer. It currently as a AMD HD 5450 which was low end 10+ years ago. ha I ended up selecting a AMD R7 250 with Samsung GDDR3 memory for $21 on ebay in the US. It still gets updated Windows 10 drivers.

[@michaelauld6083]

I actually had picked up a HD 7570 and a HP T610 Plus after watching your video on said thin client….the two made a good combo for a retro gaming PC….this card is essentially a OEM rebrand of a HD 6670 since it does have the DDR5 memory though there are some variants out there with DDR3….great video as usual…definitely has me thinking about picking up a 8570 to give it a try

[@razorsz195]

I have found a suitable replacement for the GT210/610 Dell optiplex 360s to make XP gaming rigs with! A punchy core2duo and ssd will make these things wonderful to sell on to someone who wants a compact rig! Will always love your unique videos! Thanks Phil

[@nunofernandes4501]

A fee days ago I bought an R7 240 4gb for €20. It's for an sff media PC an light/vintage gaming it really behaves very well for what I expected.

[@youzernejm]

Wow, this video answered question after question I had about these cards, very impressive! The only one I've got left is how good are they with Batocera, but that 8570 just got so much more interesting.

[@philscomputerlab]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Choralone422]

With Batocera I would imagine you could do PS1, N64 and maybe Dreamcast with the 8570. In my emulation box I recently upgraded from a Nvidia Quadro K620 which has roughly 50% higher pixel fillrate than the 8570. The K620 struggled with emulating many PS2 games and some GameCube games. Swapped in a GTX 1060 3GB and now both are buttery smooth. The CPU in my emulation box is a i7 3770 (non K) and I do have the proper Nvidia driver support enabled.

[@youzernejm]

@@Choralone422 I got plenty of Gsmecube, some PS2 (easier ones like ffx or kh), Xenoblade chronicles for the wii, heck, even some native-res 3DS on my Batocera machine with an i3 4130 with igpu, I'm really curious what it could do with a low profile, super cheap dgpu. My 3770k machine (4.2GHz oc) started suffering from the lack of avx2 in some cases though, plus Batocera optimizations sometimes are surprising - Mario Kart for the 3ds runs better on that 4130 than on Windows based 3770k with R9 380

[@sebastianebert4295]

PS2 can be problematic. While f.e. Red Ninja runs fine (even with 4x resolution) on a slower C2D E8400 with Nvidia GT 1030 GDDR5, other games like RTCW or SOTC run super slow. SOTC didn't even ran well on a friend's workstation with 2x Xeon quad core CPUs on one Intel board, while ARMA III ran at max. 30 % CPU on FullHD ultra settings with a GTX 960 card. PS2 emu has to calculate 3 different chips in realtime. But I dunno why Red Ninja runs so super smooth on a slow C2D E8400. That game you should try, should run on even slower CPU and GPU w/o any issues. Most PS1 games with 1x res only and some N64 games like Mario 64 or Mario Kart 64 even run on a slow Raspberry Pi 2 v1.1 ARMv7 and old Recalbox or Batocera. While PSP runs okay-ish on some, but GC, DC, NAOMI, Atomiswave, NDS, 3DS, Wii, Wii-U, most PS2 games, PS3 struggle on most setups.

[@karolwojtyla3047]

Hello Phil, nice to hear you again ;)

[@philscomputerlab]

Hey, thanks!

[@BenState]

I have the OEM HD8490 low profile. Really good spare card for troubleshooting. Has worked in everything.

[@josecespedes4551]

Great video. I bought a couple of 7570s planning to put them on old motherboards socket 1150 and 1155, 16ram ddr3 and Xeons E3 1240 v3/v2. Lets see what happens. Best wishes from Panama 🇵🇦

[@philscomputerlab]

Greetings from Australia 🙂

[@SYIBOI]

Those 7570s are standard at my workplace and I can tell you they really do hold up pretty well, but make sure you dust them regularly. When the fans fail they're so loud

[@MrJuanjo1997]

5:28 maybe something software related is going on here, because I get smooth KZbin playback at 1080p60 with my Xeon X5675 and a crappy HD5450 1GD3

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea not sure what's going on. It does depend a bit on the content also. Like racing scenes or fast paced action can be more demanding...

[@ironthrone9455]

nice video, i want to see more videos about radeon(ati) gpus in the future! Keep it up

[@philscomputerlab]

Thanks, will do!

[@launchpending]

Sadly had to replace one of these during the GPU crunch a few months back, ended up paying far too much for a new nvidia card in similar spec. I remember seeing a bin of used cards like these sitting at the local PC shop, good to see prices are coming back to normal.

[@NipplesOfDestiny]

I love the channel always something interesting

[@philscomputerlab]

I appreciate that!

[@forgottencameras]

I did a similar comparison a few months back; I found a PC at a thrift store for $10 and wanted to see what I could squeeze out of it. Oland is a trooper; found myself sitting there playing tons of cool stuff on that thing.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice! What games did you play that ran well?

[@forgottencameras]

@@philscomputerlab The latest was Fallout New Vegas, generally ran well on high at 900p. Riptide GP ran perfectly, and I think was a great demonstration of how good a game could look on an old system like that. Anything HL2 and earlier was as expected. One big note is games ported from the PS Vita ran well enough--there are a lot of niche import titles from Japan that make up a whole market, and lots of people just play this kind of stuff, so it would be a good cost-effective poor otaku option. Processor was an AMD FX-4100, so that didn't help anything. 8GB of whatever RAM and a power supply shaped like a hotdog in an SFF case, Win10 Home.

[@Synthematix]

I use one of these cards in my Athlon X4 Socket AM1 PC, (Athlon 5350) on an ASRock AM1H- ITX motherboard its plugged into my Optoma 141x 3D projector as a home entertainment pc, its been in this pc for 7 years without a single problem, although the Athlon 5350 onboard Igpu graphics is about the same in performance

[@JeffWaynee]

I bought an HD 6450 for $12 on ebay a few years ago. It actually makes a great 2D card for Linux.

[@nicacioedu]

Really interesting! A couple of weeks ago I put together a Windows Vista Home Premium SFF rig. It's based on a Dell Dimension C521 with an Athlon 64 x2 3800+, 2x2GB DDR2-800, an OEM Dell Radeon R5 240 1GB, and a 250GB Seagate Barracuda HDD. The trick to have this video card properly installed on Vista was by installing the Vista drivers for the Radeon R7 260X. The performance is incredible for the price (I've paid $5.00 on this video card), and the system is able to run every old game I throw at it over 60fps. By far these were the best $17.00 I've ever spent. :-) Thanks for another great video, Phil.

[@AaronHendu]

I got an OEM R7 250 around December of last year for a computer I built for a my nieces and nephews, and it seems to do the job and suited the budget. I am looking to upgrade it though for them sometime soon. I have a 290X sitting around that just needs the fans replaced. But for now, it does fine for them!

[@thajazzzprovidaaa26]

@@AaronHendu the r9 290 and 290x are still very good cards for them being almost 10 years old. Still run modern games at 1080p, I have one myself!

[@harleyn3089]

@@thajazzzprovidaaa26 One of my favorite retro cards is the R7-260x. It's a tweaked version of the 7790. It's roughly as fast as a 750TI, and it only consumes about 65 watts of power. The R9 290 is fast, but it consumes a lot of power and many of the cards have very loud fans. For retro projects I lean towards cards that are more efficient.

[@Hugocraft]

I picked up the amd 7570 back in March 2022 off ebay for $16 USD shipped to put in an old dell optiplex with intel i5 third gen just to try out Linux Manjaro since that is what Valve recommended to devs who want to test their games on linux if they didn't have a steamdeck on hand. It works well for streaming videos and older games did similar to your results on windows from what I remember.

[@Super123456789Kuba]

Interesting Video. I kinda was struggling too find a Good replacement for my Radeon HD5870, which sadly died on my older machine, So these cards are those which I definitely wanna check out.

[@Soldoles]

There is another use for this old amd radeon cards, you can use crt emudriver to enable 15hz though the dvi output and mount an arcade with the original resolution and refresh rate, you can use it with a crt tv just need an adapter from vga to component in the western countrires otherwise use a vga to scart. If your tv dont have it you cant take some vga to svideo or rca adapter and use it insteed.

[@philscomputerlab]

Aha so that's what emudriver is, thanks for explaining.

[@Soldoles]

@@philscomputerlab yeah it's a modifiied amd driver, you can use with mame or retroarch since now has runahead and 15khz support. I used an old dell optiplex with a radeon hd 4500 if you wanna i can up a video of what i done. the setup is quite finicky but it wothed the hassle since it was quite unexpensive also if you have a board with integrated amd graphics form the phenon x2, x4 etc era it will be even cheaper.

[@sebastianebert4295]

Not only that, but also crisp clear low res on PCs (like with Matrox G400 cards), while Nvidia cards looks blurry on low res.

[@ngybrid]

I used the Dell GPU like this in 2019 -- the R5 240. It's got driver support up to 2021 if I'm not mistaken as it's in the first GCN architecture. Bought it for less than 30 USD back then. It even handled Battlefield 1 720p all set to low settings pretty convincingly (though it's around 30FPS and not much more than that). TechPowerUp says it's direct rebrand of the 8570. But the 8570 had 128-bit memory right? Mine's only 64-bit tho.

[@madmatt2024]

I think both of them normally have a 64-bit memory bus. There is a somewhat rare GDDR5 version of the 8570 but every time I've found one the cost was ridiculous.

[@dormcat]

HD 8570 (28nm version) is really nice for a low-profile card. TechPowerUp lists its performance between my standard-profile HD 5670 and GTS 450 -- picked up in an e-waste recycling center for NT$150 (A$7.5) each. The "fastest" low-profile card I've got is an HD 6450 (NT$100 / A$5), which is only 1/3 the speed of HD 8570.

[@vicchopin]

Awesome phil being awesome!!!

[@SUCRA]

Great video. I had a similar situation with performance while testing the AGP versions of the hd 3850 vs the hd 4650. On old games the 3850 was faster, newer games the 4650 was faster. 👍

[@MotownBatman]

I just recently got 4 of the HD-8570's for $19 each on eBay. They look completely unused, New-Stock. Work really well in my Retro Emulator & Pinball Systems

[@kimutone2970]

What about comparing the 8570 to the intel integrated graphics you'd find on these cheap prebuilt PCs? Would make an interesting video to see if it's worth upgrading or if the IGP suffices, great vid as awlways, Phil!

[@erikmerchant567]

I think one of the benefits of these generation cards is their XP driver support. Once you get to the R5/7-300 series, that compatibility goes away. After that, you might just as well step up to a much more modern SFF card. The new 6400 low profiles look interesting, albeit at a lousy 64bit interface.

[@HZL_AD]

( still keep my old P4 pc for 17 years ) i hava radeon hd6450 to replaced my old gforce 7600Ggt .. its a big jump good enough to play Doom3 ,Halflife 2 , FEAR ,Quake4 and COD4 mw, nfs carbon , Tes Oblivion..

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

some of the straight up R series have oem cards that are very close in size for slightly better performance . R100 series? is that even a thing ... if not then R200 & R300 low end units go pretty cheap .

[@theKongston]

This video helped me build a budget gaming/school pc, thanks! Arch Linux, Optiplex 390 i3-2100, 4GB ram, HD7570.

[@philscomputerlab]

Awesome!

[@FlyingDutchman19801]

I hope you do another low-profile graphics card comparison soon!

[@farben_]

I have a Dell HD 7570, had to mess around the drivers and modify some .inf files to be able to install on Vista64 and XP, on Win7 the Dell Win8 drivers work but it's a pain to find the right version. Also bought a full size bracket. Wouldn't recommend them specially for the price they're listed on eBay in Europe as the drivers are a nightmare to install if you're able to even find a version that works. The setup is a GA-P35C-DS3R rev2, 8GB AMD DDR3 RAM, Q9950 stock.

[@philscomputerlab]

The XP installer fails, but that's an issue with pretty much most Radeon card. Run the installer, then point device manager manually to c:\AMD and you're good to go 🙂

[@farben_]

@@philscomputerlab That method usually works, it's how I installed my R7 250x aka HD 7770 2GB on XP but was more complicated for the HD 7570. On Vista64, the drivers are even more complicated, had to boot in safe-mode and disable driver signature, then "have disk" on the device manager. Some AMD/ATI cards I wasn't able to get 2D acceleration on Vista, AMD/ATI drivers are really terrible from this period, it's so much simpler with Nvidia.

[@solarstrike33]

@@philscomputerlab Glad I wasn't alone when I tried installing 5870 drivers on XP. I seriously thought I was doing something wrong...

[@Sprier]

Impressive performance from the 8000! Even with the gddr3, neat little cards.

[@kiaas]

Oh, the 8570 is actually a GCN1 7000 series card instead of the 7570 that's a 6000 series TeraScale card, I didn't actually know that since the 8000 series cards were never available to anything but OEMs,

[@martinking2909]

Reminds me of how much I suffered for years with a core2duo system and a HD5450 512mb. So glad I upgraded, finally.

[@dylan-xq1qh]

Been using the Radeon W6400 for a SFF PC, and its great to power 2x 3440x1440 displays for work, got it used for about $150 so wasnt all too expensive but wayyy more than these

[@jbol2454]

Can that work in Windows XP? Does it have the drivers?

[@supadwarfa]

@@jbol2454 No way, the W6400 is brand new. If you want an XP card you should look for something in the Radeon HD series from 6000-8000. I believe AMD Catalyst 14.4 was the last driver version to support XP but only half the GPUs did. The R7 and R5 variants did not get XP support even if they were just rebadges of older cards.

[@jbol2454]

@@supadwarfa Just checking thanks

[@arnislacis9064]

I got the AMD Radeon HD 8570 from Aliexpress. Recently I repasted it. The GPU is good, it can drive VGA monitor using DVI-I to VGA Adapter or it can drive Modern 4K monitor, through DisplayPort 1.2 port. I have AMD Ryzen 5 2600 System, and I have installed MSI GeForce GTX 960 4GB and Radeon HD 8570 as extra video outputs. Btw I have all PCIe slots full on my MSI B450 Tomahawk Max motherboard.

[@crsorsmth5113]

Perfect! I am searching for a cheap gpu for my old pc so I can learn Linux with no consequences of losing data and such, so this will do perfectly fine.

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

I have once got a bunch of Dell branded R5 340X graphics cards when buying new old stock for my business. They were slower than a GT730, but also used less power. But at the end i did resell them to the recycling company, because i didn't know what to use them for.

[@arnaldodaniel1804]

I came to your channel randomly, and I really liked your way of making videos, but I was surprised that you have never made a video of the AMD Radeon R5 240 (Dell), that little card literally became the people's card in Latin America because to the economy that it is, because it is still fighting. As far as I know, it shares many characteristics with the 8570 despite being slightly slower.

[@Agoz8375]

I owned the Radeon HD 8570 OEM Low Profil with 2gb 128bit and it's a good Video card. This card support new driver and I can play old game's and new game's like Fortnite, Valorant with it.

[@ramibos6549]

I've put gtx1050ti LP into HP 800 SFF, of course SSD and additional 80mm fan.. what a punch for 150eur alltogether

[@Tech2C]

$20 is a great price for the faster cards. It's funny how the second digit of the model number is more important than the first digit! It would be interesting if the current RX 6400 GPU card can run these older games, being PCIE and single slot to compare. They look very similar.

[@philscomputerlab]

The RX 6400 has one weakness, it's a PCIe 4.0 8x card, but most Small Form Factor machines are only PCIe 3.0, so you are getting half the bandwidth. The GeForce 1650 is the fastest Low Profile card at the moment...

[@aragorn084]

Rx6400 is pcie 4 4x!!

[@cydragon2.099]

I have some times just used the HD 7470 just for giggles (I mostly use an AMD Radeon RX 460 2GB until i can afford any upgrades)

[@corneliusantonius3108]

I gamed a bit for a build on a HIS HD 6750 with a HD 6770 Bios on it.

[@Bob-pd9ge]

Phil ROCKS!!!!

[@bhume7535]

I have an hd 7570 in an old HP proliant server since the onboard is basically only good for adjusting stuff in the BIOS. It works super well and fits in a 1U case. what's not to like?

[@philscomputerlab]

Agreed 🙂

[@foxyloon]

Huh, interesting video! I just bought an 8490 about a week ago, but mainly to use as the primary video card for my homebuilt NAS. (Felt the GTX 460 I had in there was massive overkill.) Looking at the performance numbers, I'm not upset for the $10 I got mine for. Still, I'll definitely keep an eye out next time for the 7570/8570 if they can be had for a similar price point. Would be a good upgrade for a system of the era, especially an SFF machine!

[@dest1239]

Just put them 7570 in and old think station rocking an i3 3220, and can tell you at was a night and say difference between onboard graphics and that card. Well worth the $2 I spent on the card. Considering the years involved, PC is still good for windows 10 and intro to internet type stuff for someone with little money. Pretty cool little card.

[@philscomputerlab]

Awesome!

[@g.ausw.8049]

I like your VIdeos.....I know, it sounds a little nuts, but... could you do a Crossfire Test. A Test with the 2 better cards would be great. Even a Mixed-Up would be / could be nice.

[@matthewkriebel7342]

I had a similar card in my low-end PC the kids gamed on. All the kid's direct-X games failed to load or had graphics glitches. Ditched it for a GT710 for like $90 and it was much better. No problems since then.

[@airmicrobe]

I am kinda fan boy to AMD, but many games still runs better and butterfly smooth wit Nvidia cards. Latencies and input lag Hiccups and stuttering disappeared with nvidia, maybe it's only my feeling. Colors also nvidia is fair, sometimes it looks foggy or blurry but in the end it feels more natural than AMD's fantasy colors.

[@itstheweirdguy]

@@airmicrobe I know what you are saying! What I interpret it as....is that on an Nvidia card....it's more obvious that you don't have that good of a monitor.....am I far off? Whenever I swap a system over it looks a lot more crisp going from an AMD card to an Nvidia, which in some ways makes an old monitor look worse, almost too sharp.

[@airmicrobe]

@@itstheweirdguy I don't have new monitor and new cards, I am talking about gtx gt 600~700 series. Nvidia has a good reputation with many reliable reason. Dx 11, 12, as an example, there are some glitches AMD have whn you playing forza motor sports 7, gcn1 has a problems glitches in game play and selecting modes or options there is glitches. Nvidia is just fine no glitches. Gt 710 he said, is totally amazing card playing roblox or many dx 11, or partial dx 12 supporting games. They just feel so tight accurate execution.

[@airmicrobe]

@@itstheweirdguy But if you really like to play games with fantasy, or seek the fantasy you seek then, AMD card gives some colorful aspect of gaming with sharpness. Nvidia sometimes colors looks blurry focusing 3d acceleration too much. Drawing every drop from squeezing the performance for 3d soomth exelleration or acceleration

[@airmicrobe]

Of course there is no too much.... when people think FPS is life. But AMD also seek the extremes for its own way and sometimes those are more important for them eventhou there are some glitches which I guess not following dx 11 codings or codes?

[@mrp6k490]

Maybe you could check out the r5 240,340,430 next? I've encountered a lot of these while looking around for cheap cards

[@lewzealand4717]

I got an 8570 with an old Dell with i7-4790 in it and it even plays Tomb Raider (2013) at over 50fps 720p Lo +Shadows & AA with 1100/1100 OC. Nice bump from default 833c/900m. Fan speed fine, set custom curve in Afterburner. Also does OK on DiRT Rally (don't remember FPS) and a number of mid-2010s games on 720p Lo+Shadows/AA. Ehh, have an RX 6400 now so the 8570 is waiting for another Dell which I'm gathering parts for...

[@juanmassiosare9850]

How did you get that OC at 1100/1100Mhz on the HD 8570? I can only get to 1000/1000Mhz with MSI Afterburner; I have a HD 8570 1GB GDDR3 (Stock 780Mhz/900Mhz Core/Vram). My PC has an Intel i7 2600, 2x4GB DDR3 at 1333Mhz and a HD 8570 1GB GDDR3, in the Tomb Raider (2013) Benchmark at 720p/Normal/Aniso x8 and No AA/Tessellation/High Precision/Post Processing, I get the following (with seven tabs open in Chrome, several folders open in Windows, and some light programs running): * HD 8570 1GB GDDR3 STOCK (780Mhz/900Mhz), Windows 8.1-64Bit, old Drivers. Crisom 17.4.4. - Min FPS: 48 - Max FPS: 72 - AVG FPS: 61 * HD 8570 OC (1000/1000Mhz). - Min FPS: 58 - Max FPS: 84 - AVG FPS: 71 * At 720p/Low/Aniso x8/No AA and some things off. > HD 8570 1GB GDDR3 Stock. - Min FPS: 54 - Max FPS: 80 - AVG FPS: 68 > HD 8570 OC. - Min FPS: 68 - Max FPS: 90 - AVG FPS: 79 * HD 8570 Stock at 720p/ALL LOW (Billinear instead Aniso 8x). - Min FPS: 56 - Max FPS: 80 - AVG FPS: 69 * HD 8570 OC at 720p/ALL LOW (Billinear instead Aniso 8x). - Min FPS: 68 - Max FPS: 94 - AVG FPS: 80 * All tests with Vsync-OFF > (not double buffer or triple buffer).

[@lewzealand4717]

@@juanmassiosare9850 The OC is crazy on this little video card as I have a GTX745 with similar base clocks and can't OC that one nearly as much, this 8570 be a lucky good sample. I need to run the Benchmark at native and max OC. Actually IIRC the DDR2 on this card OCs way beyond 1100 but lemme dig it out again and test. I'll have to try the Benchmark again because I was playing through the first levels and in the first openish areas in the wooded spot with the bear at the far end, it was getting 50 FPS, which is lower than you have there. However the wooded area may be more difficult to render. I'm curious now...

[@samiraperi467]

4:30 The drivers perform identically for all intents and purposes. Those differences you see are either run-to-run variance or inperceptible.

[@Matt08719801]

same situation with nvidia anything past driver 258.96 you lose a lot of compatibility with older games like examples regarding gcn vs terrascale and older

[@vertujoe2886]

Thank you Phil. I ve heard rx560 and recently released rx6400 are best performer at their price range. these cards are only win7+ compatible, might not fit the retro theme of the channel. but I still want to hear your insights about these relatively-budget cards.

[@aragorn084]

Buy an older "good" card instead. Eg a 7970 or 280x instead of a 560. Cheaper and faster. Same story with the 6400, better to buy an rx470/480

[@SharpShoot3r_14]

@@aragorn084 Power consumption?

[@JeremyLeePotocki]

I got a 8570 I picked it up at Free Geeks Arkansas for $4 (U.S.) a few years ago I mostly use it to test other PC parts, but I am thinking of building a Retro Gaming PC cause I have a spare I3-4130T. So I was going to get a cheap ITX 1150 Motherboard then put it all together into a cheap as heck case.

[@AJ-po6up]

I've seen these a lot in my country and always assumed they were crap but 8570, 7570 are actually not bad at all for a 2000s retro PC.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yes and when paired with a cheap HP or Dell Small Form Factor machine, it's great value and heaps of fun!

[@ravenof1985]

r5 240 is a rehash of the 8570, you need to modify the driver INF for an 8570 to get it to work but it does.

[@jamezxh]

7570 is a great card the DDR5 really helps . It’s just a pity it didn’t make the cut with the updated legacy drivers. I’ve literally got a draw full of these from a heap of optiplex’s they threw away at work along with about 30 I7 3770 CPUs

[@sovo1212]

Have you tried the modified drivers?

[@jamezxh]

@@sovo1212 no I haven’t? Link please

[@farben_]

@@jamezxh I have drivers that work for Vista64 and XP, modified the inf files myself, you have to go in the hardware tab then copy the string, paste it then add the Windows number version code... but youtube doesn't let me post links. I can post the driver version later.

[@nashcomp]

Compare to 7730 ddr5, did the 8570 have the same results?

[@Th4tNiggaSpiderman]

Give me one for free bro you dont need it cmon

[@andystech101]

Wait so AMD have updated drivers now for GCN cards?

[@SHGames97]

I bought a GDDR5 r5 430 with 2 GB of ram. $12 free shipping, after a full overclock it's freaking amazing & more than fits my young daughter's gaming habits. I'd call it like the GT 710 killer or something

[@philscomputerlab]

Thanks for sharing, I haven't come accross a 430 series card yet, could also have to do with different markets...

[@SHGames97]

Definitely could be, they were OEM specific to Dell desktops for a few years but never heard of one myself until maybe 2 weeks ago. Keep your eyes peeled as they are plentiful it seems & very cheap. I'd love to see you cover it one day. In North America at least, if your regions pricing differs I'd consider loaning you mine for a review if that's something interesting. Thank!

[@homelessEh]

these low cards are just neat to play with in crossfire imo. i had a good old time playing with low end crossfire back in the hd2/3/4000 days hd2400xt with hd3200 hybrid crossfire. 2400xt with a hd3450 in crossfirex the 3450 with the 3100 in hybrid crossfire and for a time dual hd4670 crossfire. was fun fiddling around with that back when it was new and fancy.

[@philscomputerlab]

Whenever I tried CF it never worked that well, only in 3DMark 😂

[@SlickOnTop]

They're perfect for people who have office PCs that they can transform into budget gaming rigs with these GPUs. also, do a review on the low profile rx 6400 with ray tracing tests.

[@harleyn3089]

I'm curious why anyone would enable real time ray tracing on a $150 video card. I personally wouldn't enable it on anything that was giving less than 100 FPS at the resolution I wanted to play at, because with the loss of performance I would hopefull still be above 60 FPS.

[@SlickOnTop]

@@harleyn3089 that's where FSR comes in to save day!

[@neongenesis2979]

The R5 340X is by far the best bang for your buck cheap AMD card out there. I've used it in a few older systems and it blows these guys away.

[@philscomputerlab]

Hmm I looked up the specifications and it's basically the 8570 but with half the memory bus width...

[@mirific87]

These 7570s can still game at 720 and sometimes 900p even some modern games like GTA V, Valorant, Fortnite, WoT. I personally think this price range of about £25 you can find a faster card like w4100 with 2gb GDDR5 for newer games. Also, Phil, please review a w4300, it's a very interesting card in the sense that it's low profile, single slot, still has driver support AND can be modded to work with WinXP. 4GB GDDR5 as well!!!!

[@philscomputerlab]

I am looking out for these W4000 cards, just have to get a good price!

[@Dman216]

I use one (Dell 8HW0R) for my dual boot XP/7 machine and its perfect for xp gaming. I got mine from ebay for 9.35$USD shipped

[@churblefurbles]

Problem with cheap cards is no vp9/av1 and sometimes not even hevc decode for htpc.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yes that's an issue.

[@kozad86]

Do the RX 6400 for a Retro Win 10 build? 🙃

[@andresbravo2003]

Man, glad this is the best pick.

[@savagemadman2054]

About 3 years back when it was impossible to find a low profile Polaris based card, I picked up the fastest of these low profile AMD OEM cards I could find - the R7-450. It was a Dell OEM part configured with 4GB GDDR5 on a 128bit memory bus. Was very, very disappointed in it's performance.

[@airmicrobe]

It is good for resident evil 8 much better than r7 240 4gb.It is as it is supposed to be. Overall, I feel better playing cyberpunk 2077 than gt 1030. Of course I recorded both of them and gt 1030 is 5 more avg FPS. But in the cutscenes r7 450 show its capability with 4 gb gddr5 memory packs. I disappointed too expecting it over performing gt 1030. It is not Overclocked well, I mean not at all. Yes I disappointed too. Still great because outperform GTX 650 or 550 ti with legacy driver.

[@milescarter7803]

You do have me intrigued, the only problem is how well does a 8570 work with Vulkan, Wayland and SteamOS HoloISO on gamescope?

[@philscomputerlab]

Hmm I could have tested Vulkan, but don't have the PC anymore, looking at getting a G2 series HP or Dell Optiplex for future projects!

[@matthewplehn4271]

very nice...i have noticed these in bundles on ebay...now that i know i can do retro on them im in!.....would you know if they would make a good card streaming Steam from another system?...right now i use the Ryzen 5 2400g for that purpose.

[@AaronHendu]

There are OEM R7 240/250/340/350 for cheap as well, at least there was last I checked.

[@poseidon3032]

I acquired an old office Dell Optiplex from job a few years ago. Turns out it's an XE. Basically an old dinosaur. When I started refurbishing it, I upgraded the CPU to a Q9550s, HD to an SSD, added memory. I'm still working that as far as getting it to 8 GB with 1333 MHz at dual channel. It had an Dell AMD HD3450 and I tried to install an RX 550 after some research but it wouldn't work because of the DOS VESA 103 issue and that the Dell Q45 BIOS had to have it. The RX550 lacked support. I ended up installing the HD7570, hoping that would work. It did. I'm not really studying the gaming as much as I am for online streaming. I'm still looking for more performance. So would be the best AMD card, with DOS VESA 103 support, that I could install. I do have the 7570 running, via Afterburner, running at 8570 stock levels. But video is still a bit choppy. Catalyst Suite was better for me than the Adrenaline Suite. I'm first time hearing about Nunez mod drivers. I would much rather get the best supported GPU for this build. I prefer AMD because even though I'm running Windows 10, I'll later convert to Linux and AMD GPU seems better supported there. Otherwise, it would be GTX 1030 for me. Although, there's tea leave about better Nvidia support through noveou, but I don't know.

[@philscomputerlab]

I've tested a few more cards since this video, take a look on the channel. Some are quite fast. Haven't done anything with DOS though, so not sure...

[@86techboy]

I have only brief experience using such cards when repairing a old Dell Optiplex 7010 but there is a issue with Windows 10 compatibility. That the USB 3.0 controller will not work properly under Win 10. So that PC can only run Win 7 properly but yet another software related problem was the driver for the AMD Radeon 7470 that came with the PC. I do notice that if I were to install the latest AMD driver from AMD website, the fan can be quite loud. The proper way in my opinion to install the correct driver for both the AMD Radeon 74XX/84XX or even the 75XX/85XX was through MS update on Win 7. Than the card will work normally and fan isn't that loud as before since MS update have the driver which identify it as a "AMD Radeon 7470" but not AMD Radeon 7000 Series graphic card. Win 10 there is no proper driver for it so it would be best to install from AMD website but the fan will still be loud. Back in the old days ATI/AMD Radeon cards for OEM usually manufacturers will have their own ATI/AMD graphic card driver. After when the driver is installed it will properly identify the ATI/AMD Radeon card model. However manufacturer driver can be out of date so you can use MS update to check for any latest version but this is only for Win 7 OS only. I would love to try a old ATI/AMD if I can get my hands on one as finding a used ATI/AMD Radeon will bound to have issues like artifacting etc.

[@itstheweirdguy]

It's more likely you have a bad motherboard. I have had no issues on 7010's and their USB in Windows 10, or 11!

[@heymaumaumau]

For similar use cases, there's one 1050 Ti model from Inno3D that's single slot and doesn't require additional power, being suitable for SFF PCs and workstations with non-standard power supplies being converted to gaming PCs. It's no longer being sold by them apparently so you may have to find a used one though.

[@itstheweirdguy]

What about a Radeon RX 6400? Seems a really good fit for sff.

[@heymaumaumau]

@@itstheweirdguy I didn't know that there were single slot versions for that chip as well but I see that there's at least one (XFX SWFT105). It does seem to require additional power though (not just through the PCIe bus), so that could rule it out for workstations using proprietary power supplies.

[@thorium9190]

The older cards can still use the Nimez modded drivers

[@-x21-]

Hey Phil. I have an ELSA WinnerWare driver disc image if it's interesting. It worked for my ELSA Erazor iii.

[@satoshi649]

The R5 240 is probably a rebranded version of the HD 8570, if you would look them up

[@TheSEMOMU]

Here that cards was very popular in GPU shortage. The old drivers works perfect with Win 10 just execute the program with compatibility test to Windows 7. Works fine even with modern games just need tweaks.

[@ViktorL2000]

I want to buy a low-profile video card for my backup low-power computer. But there is already an Intel i5 4570 with a built-in video card. And the power of the power supply is only 200 watts on a 12V line.

[@hardcore8uk]

Phil another great GPU comparison video once again, hat's off, Now do you still have your LP (low profile/ half height) HD 7750 1GB ?, if so could you compare that to some modern APU's and or recently made LP cards say that have a 64bit bus but with high clock speeds, how would a high core clock compare to said LP HD 7750, was the HD 8570 a "Cape Verde" chip like the 512core HD 7750 ?, I used to run 2x LP HD 7750 CrossFire inside HP SFF I5 2600, was an powerful small system running BF3 at ultra 1080p and many other AAA games of the time, i wish game devs would take some extra time and implement xFire / SLI back into games, even better AMD & nVidia that they once used to day, who doesn't love running super crazy amounts of power maxing out games lol. OK thanks buddy !!!!

[@oatmeal710]

oh god this gave me flashbacks to my "gaming computer" that came with a 7450

[@rupertcortes3980]

Yes Worth it. For example I play Crysis 2 Maximum Edition with no problems. If I am wrong comment me.

[@AFFL1CTED1]

It would have been interesting to see performance with all the cards using "Amernime Zone" (NimeZ) drivers. Also, I have the 8570 and it has a weird issue where if I overclock the card while using dual monitors the one connected via DVI will glitch sporadically. I researched it a while ago, and don't remember all the details, but it's not isolated to my experience; others have reported similar issues.

[@andrewmcewan9145]

I beleve I had that issue on my hd 7950s but if you bake the oc in to the bios it shoud be fine. Vbe9 was the software I used to modify the bios. I do not know if it supports thst gpu but if the oc was stable otherwise definitely worth a try. I beleve it is a gcn 1 issue

[@AFFL1CTED1]

@@andrewmcewan9145 interesting. I'll look into that. Thanks for the reply.

[@andreabardhi349]

The main PC we use on my house has Core 2 Quad Q9500 4x2GB (8gb ddr3) Hd 8490.! This was actually a “gaming” pc on 2015 i have so manny memories 😭

[@xBruceLee88x]

Hi Phil, keep up the work! Also, do you have a plan to do another "affordable retro build" video? Or maybe you did and I missed the notice Oh and also, if you want to overclock these, don't mess with the memory. They'll fail pretty quickly. Though it can be tricky getting msi afterburner to let you anyway in these. At least that was my experience with the 7570

[@philscomputerlab]

Hmm I haven't looked at recent prices for retro parts, but I can only guess that for Windows 98 a Pentium 4 or Athlon 64 would be best value. Thin Clients also cheap and haven't done a video on those for a while. What do you think?

[@xBruceLee88x]

@@philscomputerlab I'd really like to find a modern version of the transmeta cpu, there's a later version with sse support that's make a nice retro rig with xp or even 7 on it. Apparently that chip is fairly rare though. Been searching for something retro compatable that at least has some expansion slots. My wife is starting to complain about all the "computer junk" laying around. Honestly, I think one day I'll build a bunch of 2u rack systems. One for dos/ 9x an xp system and a final Vista/7 system. Might be a project I do later where they're all in a tidy rack setup with a decent single set of keyboard, mouse, speakers and monitor. They'd need a good kvm for it all. Anything retro though seems to have a premium now. I suppose various thin clients lined up on a desk would work too lol. Would be funny to Vesa mount them all together and hide them behind a screen. Think about 3 thin clients stacked and mounted on the back of a 4:3/4:5 dell lcd.

[@squeeeb]

@@philscomputerlab Would love more thin client videos!

[@Fernando-Rodriguez]

I had an HD 8490 for a while, it could run Streets of Rage 4 at 1440x900 60 FPS with high settings and 90% resolution scale but I recommend that you keep away from it. HD 7570 and HD 8570 are better and I think both of them support Vulkan so they're good for emulation as well as retro pc games.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

3:20 I too sort my GPUs by colour.

[@Smart-Skippy]

I bought a Radeon RX 6400 Aussie $300 Fantastic ! It gives 4k at 120Hz refresh, HDMI 2.1 !!!!! The only bummer is no AVC1 support so no using native KZbin audio. You have to add an addon to force VP09 Audio.

[@philscomputerlab]

Ahh HDMI 2.1 is a very good argument if you are using with a high refresh rate TV for example. I don't think NVIDIA has a low profile HDMI 2.1 card at the moment...

[@Smart-Skippy]

@@philscomputerlab Firstly thank you for replying! G'Day from Perth! As of this date, no Nvidia LP cards with HDMI 2.1 . I have a big OLED , hence the need for this card. I have 4 HTPCs all the others using Nvidia GT 103O. It has been a lot of dramas getting the AMD software stable. Lots of crashes, but 10bit, Dolby Vision 4k, 120Hz and basic M/B and CPU. May I suggest a video on getting Z97 boards to boot from their on board NVME , using the bios hack ? I still run a 4770K and a 4790K on Z97 boards using a modded bios. It is pretty easy, but most people don't know it can be done. Natively, Z97's can't use a NVME as a boot drive. Danke Shoen mein freund! 🙂

[@philscomputerlab]

They seem to have come down a bit, $239 at PCCG but no stock. With the AUD dropping against USD, but also new GPUs around the corner, not sure which way it will go. I think it will a while until we see better LP cards.

[@FatheredPuma81]

Would be nice if KZbin moved this video to a fast server already >.>. Getting tired of the buffering. They do it with the videos I upload too making them unwatchable for me...