Phoenix 200

[@NailBombEnjoyer]

So proud to have a UK company developing a home grown 35mm Colour film! The only way is up. Will be good to see the progress they make over the next few years. Great video as always :)

[@lennart1208]

patriotism is so stupid

[@chris091090]

​@@phillipbanes5484yup, but great to see a focus on R&D (its so expensive) and with an insane timeline. Great to see passion in their work too and, to top it off, admission/drive to improve on it in the future. Hopefully we'll get some 120 whilst they work on infrared xD

[@oblivion_007]

With out companies making new film cameras how it gonna survive...? Old gears are slowly becoming unrepairable.

[@tibodesaegher8753]

the fact that the R&D guys are young guys, full of excitement and with long careers ahead, is truly comforting. Film might be truly alive again

[@stratocactus]

Exactly my thought too. Good job R&D team. Good job Harman.

[@ljac_1314]

i loved this bit too! cool chem dudes

[@ep_photography]

That was my take away. Two young guys excited about their job and already thinking about how they can do better. Definitely a great step in an exciting direction.

[@HARMANPhoto]

We're very lucky that we have a blend of youth and experience in our R&D department as with the rest of site:)

[@Zetaphotography]

Smartest comment posted on this video.

[@EddyTheChump]

Getting this far in 12 months is fucking insane. 120 is a smaller market but essential. This will get better and better. A HUGE DAY for film photography

[@TheAlphaFlamingo]

Holy shit! EddyTheChump is here! Used to love your videos! Awesome to see that you're into film photography!

[@kleanish]

I was in complete awe they did this in 12 months. Not to shit on other parties, but they took 12 months to make a new color film, while another entity took 3 years to make a coat hanger..

[@Al_Bx]

Absolutely this.

[@theowainwright7406]

I’d fuck this up if it came in 120

[@willysheepskin]

"build a color film from literally nothing except greens" looool, thanks for sharing your insights into this stuff man, rad to see you got to interview the people behind it too! Look forward to seeing what improvements they make to it going forward!

[@PrestonTalkZZZ]

Hey Will hope you're doing better man

[@kleanish]

We love you Will!

[@WyWorks]

I don't absolutely love the look of it, but I think it's worth supporting the project because I can feel their passion and excitement thru the video. $14 a roll isn't that bad either -that's less than 400D in my local shop. More film options only benefit everybody who shoots film, and I'm interested to see what the lab lads come up with next!

[@kleanish]

It seems very similar to 400D but with more color and less latitude.

[@WyWorks]

@kleanish after watching Caleb's video, I'm more interested in Phoenix at a more personal level beyond just supporting color film as a whole (which arguably is a higher level). Pulled 1 stop, I think this film does have a nice vibe like 400D but maybe slightly less "dreamy" looking. At box speed, there's a bit too much grain and not enough detail for my taste, although i do like the warmth and contrast.

[@kleanish]

@@WyWorks yeah watching now. sometimes the colors are better at box, but the shadows are much better at -1

[@WyWorks]

@@kleanish right. I prefer almost every photo with the -1 pull besides the head-on shot of the tractor and the shot out the window of the old house.

[@justinkingery2489]

I'm with you. I'm an Ilford B&W guy through and through, and I LOVE that this exists, but why do the scans look so soft? It looks like expired color-neg film I've shot. The colors are whatever to me---you can do anything in post with ease. The unsharpness is what I'm not loving the look of.

[@RyanNavazio]

I still remember when Kodak didn’t give you an advance on the Gold200 in 120. Proof Harman knows what they’re doing getting you this stuff in advance. Nice little bonus getting a new video out of the normal schedule too.

[@elleoat]

Not sure if somebody else pointed this out yet but on the data sheet for Phoenix you can see the film spectral sensitivty goes beyond 750nm, which is actually entering into the IR range, so technically this is a "color infrared" film in some type of way. Using an R72 filter might yeild interesting results (if you expose it at like iso 1)

[@beepboopboopbeepbeep]

how did you come up with iso 1? would running a test on digital camera set to iso 200 +720nm filter and doing long exposure help working out the correct settings?

[@elleoat]

@@beepboopboopbeepbeep the iso 1 was just kind of a random estimate. I'll have to test myself to find out, but using FPP BW IR plus R72 filter gets you at about ISO 3-6 to get a well exposed IR image (if you're in full sun) if you're metering externally. You can also meter through the filter at 200 but it generally cuts out 5ish stops of light down so you'll be at about ISO 3-6. For Harman Phoenix there is *drastically* less spectral sensitivity into the IR range than FPP BW IR (Harman Phoenix only barely reaches past 750) so you'd have to probably expose even more to get anything. My guess of iso 1 might not even be enough. A digital camera has a lot more IR range than I'm pretty sure any currently available film, so getting IR results with that probably is much easier than it would be with Harman Phoenix. I would be curious to see if Harman pursues a pseudo color IR film. They definitely couldn't make Aerochrome (the dyes for sensitizing IR in Aerochrome and HIE have jumped to the tens of thousands per ounce which makes them impossibly expensive to use in any film coating facility) but given what Harman is able to do with Ilford SFX (which uses different IR sensitizing chemistry than HIE or aerochrome to my understanding) it's not all together unreasonable to suggest they could use some of that tech in a color film. We will have to see.

[@HARMANPhoto]

Thanks Jason. This is awesome. I'll share it around site next week:) Just disappointed you weren't wearing the Christmas jumper this time;)

[@ziorxkomtuper]

yes lets go harman. Getting this far on your "first try" is insane

[@georgementchoukov2864]

Personally I like the halation. I can see Harmon pulling it back a bit in future revisions. But I really wanna shoot portraits with hard backlights on this first version.

[@thebendu33]

Harman 😉

[@kronkite1530]

Me too. For the right conditions and right look / purpose it could be beautiful

[@kerc]

The enthusiasm and positivity from the employees is contagious. ❤

[@teocrawford]

Ahhh so cool to see the people behind the film stock, wonderful interviews, thanks for making this!✨

[@JokiW]

Would love to see you test it out too Teo, surely they wouldn't mind sending you a few rolls 😊

[@ShahanReviews]

The reason this channel rules is because Jason is one of the only people that would actually go and interview the R&D guys. Such an awesome episode.

[@DustinBKerensky97]

I love the two chemists at Harman. The more people like that we have working the less I worry that film will slowly disappear. As for the film I'm mainly a B&W shooter (and Ilford diehard), and the only time I use color I don't want the Portra look. I want the 70's holiday snaps look that Gaynor mentioned, shot out of a pocket P&S camera while I'm on vacation. Apart from a bit wider Dynamic Range, just get it in 200, 400, and 800 and I'll be all over it.

[@ISO6forty]

Crazy, that is a big step foreward in the industry. Can‘t wait trying it out.

[@gonnor_cates]

a new color film AND a new grainydays a week early makes this the best Friday

[@FourIntoOne]

The fact that this even exists in this digital day and age is MASSIVE props to Ilford,. Sorry, Harman.

[@DayneLagazo]

Jason giving love to Harman while also roasting how the British spell things is AMAZING 😂

[@HARMANPhoto]

We spell things properly:) (I was tempted to write properley then;))

[@treyusher32]

So this is basically like a beta test. Definitely a great step for the community Im really excited to see where this goes in the future!!

[@xander1052]

Yup. A few rolls even sneaked out early in the US

[@ZupaISO]

Ah, I love that you went to the UK and interviewed people from the Harman company, thank you! It's always good to see faces responsible for a product. Cheers!

[@zerobladehonmono]

The super punchy warm look with halation might totally not be my thing but it's honestly insane that Harman are doing inhouse color film, huge plus that we're getting new film stocks now. I really hope they keep doing it and developing more cool stuff.

[@zerlionngo395]

Admire the honestly and passion of these guys from P&D development, this film stock is surely promising!

[@deanteb92]

If Harmon does a color infrared because Kodak won't. That will make me a top tier fan. Because kentmere 400 is already my favorite BW stock on the market.

[@masonmacquarrie9203]

I’m so happy that people are still investing into the film communities and we are all benefiting from it

[@pvt_pylee]

knew this was waiting for today, cant wait to see how people experiment with it. Got a brick myself this morning lol

[@xander1052]

I just bought some and will use it wisely in its cloudy homeland

[@just_eirik]

I’m not even a film photographer but I still love that there is more color film alternatives. Color is so much nicer than monochrome imo.

[@bburchellphotos]

It may be expensive per roll, but manufacture costs here in the UK, plus export will put costs up. Although saying that, it will cost be roughly around £12.50-£13 per roll. So it's still a little cheaper in the states! More importantly, it's not Kodak! It's entirely new stuff!

[@metalfingersfilm]

loved the perspective in this video, compared to all the other videos that came out today. emphasizing that its not perfect, and that's okay. harman also feeling like they need to keep improving it is a great sign. excited to rip some of these, hopefully soon.

[@Batou_73]

How great is all of that. A new Player ! Seeing those young lab lads with all their excitement. Amazing! Young energy in analog film. Not in some artsy small company. But one of the major players. Really surprised and happy about such a young Dev Team!

[@yellowcrescent]

Wasn't expecting their Pheonix film to be color negative tbh. But very impressive what they were able to do -- given it took Kodak, Fuji, and Agfa decades to perfect their emulsions to their modern incarnations (I think Kodak Portra [Vericolor], Gold, Color Plus [Kodacolor] are on like their 5th to 10th iterations?). The grain.. is certainly chunky but it doesn't look terrible (it reminds me of older Agfa color neg films). Hopefully they continue to keep improving... and add an antihalation layer... lol. I would probably buy it in 120 when it becomes available.

[@gsus3918]

I love the look of this film. The warmth it has is a good counter against bad led lighting. Also the outdoor scenes look amazing and alive.

[@doctorsnarf8764]

*12 MONTHS!! you guys should be dam proud! i cant wait for future updates!*

[@santiagogranobles]

This era of film photography looks exciting

[@josuemolina6124]

A great deal for analog community, so happy to see the love analog photography gets, shootout to the lads on Harman, thanks for this.

[@trippwilsonphoto]

While I don't think kodak has to be scared, I am excited to see what they come up with next, and I'm excited to try it out for myself. The shell shop one is really cool btw.

[@MichaelZieschang]

What I love about shooting film is how close customers and industry get together. Such a small part of industry over all but a worldwide fascination and passion across all business partners. (The 25-50/4 rocks. My fav lens on Nikons.)

[@connorbell5340]

As soon as I saw you in a photo from the dark room I knew we'd be getting a video today. Bless you papa

[@AWhimsicalStatue]

Could you imagine, while everyone is looking to Kodak for a new infrared film, Harman/Ilford comes out of left field with it some day?

[@mattparkin7224]

Lmao I knew that last line was coming. This is a really useful video, thank you for giving an insight into working with this stock in post as it's a lot more rudimentary that I expected - I think I'm even more excited about it now, it's like the fomapan of colour

[@florianbolk8461]

Hi Jason, huge fan. Very impressed by your capability to do interviews. Hidden superpower.

[@jeffg.8964]

I’ve been shooting (and experimenting with) every colour emulsion available since the 1960s, so running a few rolls of Phœnix 200 through my cameras is definitely in my near future. I’ve been using The Darkroom for over 10 years and have nothing but praise for them, my go-to lab for all colour work, negative or transparency, and black-and-white.

[@colbyfinnigsmier933]

You’re doing god’s work by chasing that infrared dragon jason

[@davidmb2587]

Love those guys attitude. This will be great for the future of film.

[@pacheaco727]

What’s better than a Grainydays video? Jason sporting a hat supporting my (formerly Oakland, damn you Fisher) A’s.

[@plainly_kevin]

Well, we sure would make a great combo. You get a rush for lying to people and I get a rush for being lied to.

[@jagerbolt90]

I would sell my soul if they make a 1000+ ISO color film.

[@WyWorks]

Agreed!

[@GreatJobStudio]

Did some research on this film while I was watching this video, and I noticed all the articles and reviews came out at the exact same time. Funny to see RIGHT when the NDA is up. Really happy to see a new color film stock on the rise, and I'm ordering a couple rolls right now.

[@CamMead]

Awesome work Harman I will for sure pick up some of this film and support your team and dedication to the craft.

[@KabirKotwal]

I'm not a film photographer but I watch your work a lot and I like this film the most(& Kentmere) and will push me to finally start. Also your work is one of my biggest source of Inspiration.

[@pgmisha]

"Do you hear all those seagulls?" Jason's Tippy Hedren moment .....

[@charliewaterman816]

This is awesome. And I dig the look in most settings. Can't wait to see where it goes

[@aristoioannidis7490]

With little things, big things grow! Cheers to the wonderful crew at Harman! Thank you so much Jason for putting this great update together. Kudos.

[@NewBensonPress]

New to the channel and returning to film after an over extended pauchant with digital Medium Format. Enjoyed your ride with Phoenix, personally, I'll be waiting on 120 to catch the warmth. Be safe out there. Nath

[@BrunoBelcastro]

Can’t believe you were in the UK and I didn’t get to buy you a Mountain Dew Flamin Hot for your services to analogue photography. Really great to see a colour film coming from the UK 👏🏼 amazing video as usual.

[@jameslenney]

Love how northern those ilford guys are. Good work, lads 😉

[@-grey]

This is bang on the look all the Fujifilm digital shooters are trying to do with their recipes: overcooked cloudy balance, red shifted, ultra bloom mist filters. 😂 I swear this is the result of every classic negative recipe. Everything you said about the latitude, contrast and saturation, and shooting at blue hour being a cheat code is exactly true for shooting Fujifilm digital too. I almost want to see it compared. Also, why does the UK still look like it's Oppenheimer time? Is there a time loop where it's still world war II there?

[@fretlessfender]

Nice to see those 2 young Brittish guys being the backbone of the R&D!

[@nogifunk]

After a few rolls, I like it! I really hope they refine it/make more and in 120 🔥

[@KyleMiko]

Finally! Been waiting so long!

[@dominiclunn123]

Ha, the only time i've ever enjoyed a youtube ad! 16:10 brilliant.

[@Rcmellophotography]

I am waiting on my first roll now. I can’t wait to try it.

[@iHR4K]

That's awesome to see people who really like waht they do - I will buy it as soon as possible, thank you for the video

[@damons6759]

Makes you relize just how good Fuji and Kodak are. Also cool seeing the Union hotel. I photographed a wedding there a few years back. It's really neat but super dark inside.

[@gavinvales8928]

Props to the marketing team for calling it phoenix, this stock is gonna be legendary I think.

[@williamcurwen7428]

I think it has lovely qualities once learnt will serve the right photographer really well.

[@nick4506]

wow i ride this alot, cool to see someone else picking it up. asumeing north bound with the 1 closed best alternatives are carmel valley road(g16) great road make sure to get gas in greenfeild so you can make it to Monterrey cuz gas in carmel valley is expencive, or take the jog to 25 to holister. bit of a detour but from la 5(over the grape vine)-160(orange groves)-33(taft oil country probs looks good on film)-58(god tier road, an experience)- finish up on 101 north of slo where previous options are open, its a good ride. mallote road in the lost cost is by far the worst pavement I've ever riden where I didn't have to pass a gate but wow is it beautiful. also skips a boring part of the 101. cant wait to get a proper adv to explore that area better. also edge of my seat for the 1 to reopen. yea the film looks good idk why they want to change it. dynamic range and exact color reproduction is over rated. how did they make those halations not red? looks amazeing.

[@The_golden_charlie]

This English company reminds me of fuji: focused, enthusiastic and honest. Great, great review.

[@nwmi23]

I just purchased 4 rolls of phoenix today that should be delivered in a few days. Thanks for your review, I'm new to film photography, and I'm excited to try this out.

[@trippwilsonphoto]

can't wait for the bathroom photobook, "Jason Kummerfeldts: Poo toned utopia"

[@wujiali1117]

After watching almost all videos of this new film. I started to believe that Harman teasing this film that early ahead is just to accommodate Jason's production lead time😂

[@nemosgaze]

This was announced officially like 75 minutes ago and the video is already out, dammit.

[@owenrodgers8020]

That's what media embargoes are all about. Same for most lens and camera releases

[@jimjimgl3]

Loved that you spent the time to go and suss out the methodology behind the film. I'm sure they will tweak in a better way after going thru KZbin and seeing all the reviews of the film that are basically "meh"...

[@henricoloco7864]

Really like how you made your footage look like the film stock.

[@merryharry6487]

I love the mini documentary from the Harman side of things, not a soul wasnt giddy as hell about this project. I think they will add another format or stock eventually because of the hype around it so far.

[@anomalousresult]

Amazing to see such enthusiasm from those lads. Hope you all managed to decipher the accents 😅

[@Flying_fisher]

Lmao i go to that car wash every time I go through Morro! Best car wash in the state. Love it, bought four rolls. Make sure Ilford, I mean Harmann gives you the royalties.

[@RM.TokyoPhotographer]

great vid the grain structure of this film is mind blowing...waiting for it to come to Tokyo.... I cant wait to try it out... I guess Harman Really wanted to make a Color Film since so many companies such as Lomography etc etc has been in this trend of making newer film stocks available to the public....and its like how you have to keep up with the Jonese *Neighbors...if they buy a new car you buy a New Car (you get bankrupt in most cases) but if they make a new film stock it would mean that they are really really dedicated into the film industry and wants to innovate and give ppl the alternative.

[@DGJTvlogs]

Unheard of Friday release 😮

[@kevincamp2913]

Nice review man. Kudos to Harman as well.

[@markgoostree6334]

I was geekin' on the Nikon just a bit. I recently found a Nikkormat FT N in my upstairs room. I think my brother in law gave it to me and I somehow forgot about it! Looking forward to getting a few frames through this one. I don't think I'll be looking for this film right off... stick with film I've used to maybe understand what to expect in the printed photo.

[@RogueNoble]

If it's 200 speed, why is the grain so prominent? Is that related to the film stock or is it a metering/processing issue?

[@cally01]

Don't think that we didn't notice the cut to hide that you had the pizza box the wrong way round at 15:37

[@brendenlee7420]

halation to the max

[@Ratsters]

Thanks, very good on this excellent review!

[@AnthonySchnitzel]

Thing is, with its warmth and halation, it's neither Tungsten nor Daylight balanced, but UK crap weather balanced

[@captaindebug]

They say it looks like a 70s film and it kind of reminds me of a cross between the defunct Kodak Kodacolor 2 (for warmth and grain) and the defunct Kodachrome (for vivid contrasty colours) stocks. Super - I've already put my order in - and I only ever shoot black and white (carried along with the hype).

[@alhOOO2O]

“You can tell it’s the UK, it’s raining” 😂

[@tjunglec]

Heartwarming. 🎉

[@LTMCMedia]

Oh boy I need me some of this

[@anotherstupidhipster3551]

How do you shoot a 200 ISO film handheld indoors like that and have it not come out totally dark?

[@BenjaminCordero]

With a flash?

[@dj_lilchopp]

Steady hands

[@anotherstupidhipster3551]

@@BenjaminCordero i didn't see him using a flash in that bathroom shot. I'm wondering if he's pushing a few stops, but he usually says when he's doing that.

[@mattparkin7224]

Slow shutter speeds and a wide lens. You can get reasonable results 2 stops below the reciprocal of your focal length so realistically you can get away with 1/8 on a 24mm lens

[@anotherstupidhipster3551]

@@mattparkin7224 thanks, I just got a wide lense for my canon. I'll have to try this out.

[@Johnny-Aloha]

Just ordered four rolls from B&H Photo. $13.99 per roll. It looks interesting!

[@fredlada1634]

Such a shame that it’s a tad too mushy in the grain, has way too much halation and that it’s way too contrasty… otherwise it seems like a good film, but if I were Hartman I would make adjustments to refine it for as it stands it just looks rushed and sloppy… I would rather shoot vision3 250d personally. Edit : just resuming the video and it’s exactly what I was thinking that if this film stock was made in 120 the halation would be reduced and the grain will be more refined ! Kudos for that, I hope Harman listens so that I would give it a try then 👍 Stunning videography by the way (first timer on the channel, it was good)

[@matthewsarubbi6194]

Jason with the A’s hat!

[@walaplex]

Lol, I was literally in Los Alamos during this past Thanksgiving weekend and took shots of the exact same gas station front at 4:40! I was thinking about how Jason would have framed the shot I shot it from a different angle on my INSTAX SQ Film. What coincidence!

[@aurorasailing]

Ilfoed Ilfcolour and now phoenix 🥳

[@snaprifice]

Considering the dwindling sources of film these days I certainly think it's a valiant effort, even I'm not "wowed" by this particular stock. I do wish them success in their endeavors.

[@somephotovideos]

I hope they make an additional color film stock based on this one with an anti-halation layer. I mean, I like a *little* halation, but this is a bit much for me.

[@tysaylorphoto]

i ordered 3 rolls of this because of this video. But it's winter where I live and thus is extremely sad outside so i'll sit on it til summer I'm sure

[@ForGrimTilTV]

Mate! How do you like shooting with the gopros? I absolutely hate using Them!😊

[@NicSasha]

I love this film, I neeeeeeeed it